The Challenge: What Ifs

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I love the Ruins what if so I'm gonna ask one more.

what if Cara Z stayed on the cast, and Susie wasn't on it, how would that have changed anything - also would we have seen Susie again?

Cara Z loses to Kim in Ragdoll for sure. I think we see Susie on Fresh Meat II instead of Evelyn TBH.

Evelyn was only on Fresh Meat II because Jonna lost her passport

Yeah so instead of Evelyn replacing Jonna, Susie replaces Jonna.

That's assuming that Susie agrees to be an alternate. Speaking of which I'm surprised Evelyn agreed to be an alt in the first place, is there any backstory on that?

Yes. So random but I remember they had the dailies back then for the seasons where it was behind the scenes footage. The alumni were on the bus on their way to the challenge (no fresh meat yet) and Jillian and Danny were talking about Jonna not being there because of her losing her passport. Then Jillian said that Evelyn was supposed to be there but backed out last min for some reason and Jillian took her spot. I remember Jillian posted on social media that she had to pack fast for something so I guess Jillian was kinda an alternate at first and was asked to come last min when Evelyn dropped. Then when Jonna lost her passport they probably called Evelyn and she then agreed to come. 

 

 

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Very interesting. Thanks!

Crazy Jillian was an alternate, she was one of my favs that season. I wonder who they would have had if Evelyn still said no lol

What if Wes stayed retired after The Duel? What's his legacy and what happens to the show?

i think he would have been considered a strong player that people would have wished came back (even though he was intolerable on Fresh Meat with how he treated Casey). I don't think the show would have suffered at all, we would have just got another RW or RR alum cast in his place that potentially could have given us good storylines and still be around today. 

What if Jasmine agreed to do Exes 2, and we didn't get the Are You The One people, so Laura & Trey, Jasmine & Swift, and Erik and Sahar (all listed on the 'what could have been' page) we're actually on it. When, if ever, would AYTO and other shows invade the show, and what effect would have those players in the game done to the season and future seasons with casting them?

 

What if Wes stayed retired after The Duel? What's his legacy and what happens to the show?

i think he would have been considered a strong player that people would have wished came back (even though he was intolerable on Fresh Meat with how he treated Casey). I don't think the show would have suffered at all, we would have just got another RW or RR alum cast in his place that potentially could have given us good storylines and still be around today. 

What if Jasmine agreed to do Exes 2, and we didn't get the Are You The One people, so Laura & Trey, Jasmine & Swift, and Erik and Sahar (all listed on the 'what could have been' page) we're actually on it. When, if ever, would AYTO and other shows invade the show, and what effect would have those players in the game done to the season and future seasons with casting them?

I think that all depends on what happens with Real World. AYTO would've been on anyways. But the UK/CBS/Random Shows invasion started after RW failed. If Go Big or Go Home and Bad Blood were popular seasons, we would've seen a mix of RW and AYTO rookies just like we did until Vendettas.

What if ammo beat jordan on dirty 30 elim ? How iconic would that be 

What if ammo beat jordan on dirty 30 elim ? How iconic would that be 

Did Jordan and Tori first hook up after that elimination? If not that would literally change everything regarding their presence on this show in future seasons that they've done.

 

What if Wes stayed retired after The Duel? What's his legacy and what happens to the show?

i think he would have been considered a strong player that people would have wished came back (even though he was intolerable on Fresh Meat with how he treated Casey). I don't think the show would have suffered at all, we would have just got another RW or RR alum cast in his place that potentially could have given us good storylines and still be around today.

I disagree, I think without Wes there's no opposition to JEK in the Ruins, even Evelyn may not be against them since they probably don't care about getting Kellyanne out as much, I don't think there's anyone who could take his place here and oppose JEKD or on Fresh Meat where his rivalry with Kenny was the central storyline. Rivals probably doesn't even happen since Kenny & Wes were probably the inspiration for the theme, and that season led to 6 total pair seasons in the 20s. CT doesn't get his win on Rivals II and who knows how long he'd take to win one after that. It's the butterfly effect, and Wes is a pretty big *** butterfly in this franchise

Since we've both talked about show changing events and The Ruins, why not combine them both?

What if KellyAnne and Sarah defeated the Champs and won The Ruins?

Since we've both talked about show changing events and The Ruins, why not combine them both?

What if KellyAnne and Sarah defeated the Champs and won The Ruins?

Sarah would've been insufferable in future seasons.

To piggyback off the Sarah question.

What if Sarah didn't get DQ'd on Exes and RIvals II how far would she have made it on both seasons?

And another Real World question lol

If Go Big and Bad Blood got good ratings who do you think wouldve been asked?

And another Real World question lol

If Go Big and Bad Blood got good ratings who do you think wouldve been asked?

I always expected Dione, so him and Dylan from GBOGH, unfortunately I'm not sure we would get CeeJai anyways, she was set up for failure by production. Bad Blood probably at least one of the Stack sisters, maybe Romeo for Dirty 30, Theo might get another shot and maybe they get Tyara in there with him. I liked Jordan though I'm not sure we'd ever get her

 

 

What if Wes stayed retired after The Duel? What's his legacy and what happens to the show?

i think he would have been considered a strong player that people would have wished came back (even though he was intolerable on Fresh Meat with how he treated Casey). I don't think the show would have suffered at all, we would have just got another RW or RR alum cast in his place that potentially could have given us good storylines and still be around today.

I disagree, I think without Wes there's no opposition to JEK in the Ruins, even Evelyn may not be against them since they probably don't care about getting Kellyanne out as much, I don't think there's anyone who could take his place here and oppose JEKD or on Fresh Meat where his rivalry with Kenny was the central storyline. Rivals probably doesn't even happen since Kenny & Wes were probably the inspiration for the theme, and that season led to 6 total pair seasons in the 20s. CT doesn't get his win on Rivals II and who knows how long he'd take to win one after that. It's the butterfly effect, and Wes is a pretty big *** butterfly in this franchise

eh, I guess for me personally his storylines never did much for me and I don't remember most of them outside of the Ruins. To each their own though lol

To piggyback off the Sarah question.

What if Sarah didn't get DQ'd on Exes and RIvals II how far would she have made it on both seasons?

with the same partners she was assigned? I could see Trishelle and her making it far if Trishelle felt like it lol I still think her and Vinny might make an earlier exit just not as early 

what if Casey agreed to be Johnny's partner on Exes and didn't bail....would we have seen family again / more Casey in the future / would they have won? 

 

To piggyback off the Sarah question.

What if Sarah didn't get DQ'd on Exes and RIvals II how far would she have made it on both seasons?

with the same partners she was assigned? I could see Trishelle and her making it far if Trishelle felt like it lol I still think her and Vinny might make an earlier exit just not as early 

what if Casey agreed to be Johnny's partner on Exes and didn't bail....would we have seen family again / more Casey in the future / would they have won? 

Obviously they're not winning lmao 

 

To piggyback off the Sarah question.

What if Sarah didn't get DQ'd on Exes and RIvals II how far would she have made it on both seasons?

with the same partners she was assigned? I could see Trishelle and her making it far if Trishelle felt like it lol I still think her and Vinny might make an earlier exit just not as early 

what if Casey agreed to be Johnny's partner on Exes and didn't bail....would we have seen family again / more Casey in the future / would they have won? 

Imo CT & Diem get their firsts win

Here are some what ifs

What if Coral and Melissa Howard were on the Inferno 2 Bad *** team instead of Rachel and Beth like original my planned? How would the bad *** team perform now?

What if Trishelle, Coral, Veronica, and Tina agreed to do the Gauntlet 2 as originally planned? Who would they have replaced? And how would the vets do?

What would have happened if Svetlana was on the challenge Gauntlet 3 as it was planned instead of Melinda? Would she have made it to the end? Would she win?

What if Beth didn't quit on Gauntlet 2 and didn't let Coral win on Gauntlet 3? Would she have been able to make it to the end?

What if The Island turned out to be the Duel 2 as we all originally thought? With that cast who would have been the final 2 guys and girls? Who would win? Who would have been the people thrown in multiple times like Aneesa and Svetlana?

 

What if Cory/Jenny, Jasmine/Swift, and Trey/Laura were on Exes II instead of Thomas/Hailey and AYTO? like originally planned? How does the season change?

Here are some what ifs

What if The Island turned out to be the Duel 2 as we all originally thought? With that cast who would have been the final 2 guys and girls? Who would win? Who would have been the people thrown in multiple times like Aneesa and Svetlana?

it's hard to see the finalists being anyone different than Johnny, Kenny, Derrick, Rachel R, Evelyn, and ... Jenn? or maybe Tonya and Abram could make it deep.

would've liked to see Ashli and Dave on a regular season.

What if Cory/Jenny, Jasmine/Swift, and Trey/Laura were on Exes II instead of Thomas/Hailey and AYTO? like originally planned? How does the season change?

Cory/Jenny would've been a great team. Cory is adept at dailies and Jenny was fit. I see them going out around the same time as Reilly/Averey or Zach/Jonna though.

Trey/Laura and Jasmine/Swift would not have made any difference at all, competitively. and they would be less entertaining than Adam/Brittany so I'm glad for what we got.

What if Kayleigh doesn't quit vendettas? Could anything change? 

What if Cory/Jenny, Jasmine/Swift, and Trey/Laura were on Exes II instead of Thomas/Hailey and AYTO? like originally planned? How does the season change?

Thomas/Hailey were on the cast from the start...

 

What if Cory/Jenny, Jasmine/Swift, and Trey/Laura were on Exes II instead of Thomas/Hailey and AYTO? like originally planned? How does the season change?

Thomas/Hailey were on the cast from the start...

I thought I heard production wanted Cory/Jenny and Jay/Jenna from Ex-Plosion

 

 

What if Cory/Jenny, Jasmine/Swift, and Trey/Laura were on Exes II instead of Thomas/Hailey and AYTO? like originally planned? How does the season change?

Thomas/Hailey were on the cast from the start...

I thought I heard production wanted Cory/Jenny and Jay/Jenna from Ex-Plosion

They wanted all of Hailey/Thomas, Jay/Jenna and Cory/Jenny. Just like they wanted Adam/Nany, Leroy/Naomi and Heather/Dustin for the first one. But Jenny end up declining because she didnt wanted to be pair up with Cory out of respect of Brian.

Now that I think about it pretty ironic that both exes season wanted 3 teams from the most recent real world season at that time but something happened with one team that screw it up.

What if Julie didn't drop out of the Duel? How far would she have gotten / who would have been cut instead? 

New Orleans Julie was supposed to be on The Duel?! I would have loved to seen her again. 

Honestly Julie is such an underrated competitor. I think she could have linked up with the outsiders such as Wes, Nehemiah, Svetlana, Aneesa, and Beth. She's a good competitor but she just wasn't really that liked. The funny thing is that apparently a bunch of girls were contacted for this and on the cast but had to drop out. I know Sarah from Philadelphia said she was on the cast but dropped due to law school commitments. Evelyn was also on the cast but dropped due to being sick. I believe Jillian was also contacted to be on this but either dropped or didn't make the cast. I'm curious as to which people who ended up being on the cast were replacements. I feel like Casey probably replaces Evelyn since she sucks. The Key West people were propbably all cast since they were the newest season. I wouldn't be shocked if Jodi wasnt an original cast member for the Duel. Maybe Aneesa replaces Julie as the old schooler?

Another elimination hypothetical:

Nelson vs Joss and Cooke vs Kam in Looper who is winning.

I personally think this would be an interesting match up

Another elimination hypothetical:

Nelson vs Joss and Cooke vs Kam in Looper who is winning.

I personally think this would be an interesting match up

Joss and Cooke are winning due to Speed and Heught advantage.

 

Another elimination hypothetical:

Nelson vs Joss and Cooke vs Kam in Looper who is winning.

I personally think this would be an interesting match up

Joss and Cooke are winning due to Speed and Heught advantage.

Actually no cuz Cara beat  Nia so just speed lol

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