The Challenge: Spies, Lies and Allies - Ratings

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Bring Back Skulls, cut down on the filler shown, Keep some of these vets at home, leave the rookies no one knows about where they came from, and SHOW DRAMA 

Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

Hopefully most of the international rookies never return and they find some other vets.  With our luck they'll just pay John and Wes whatever they want

Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

They'll probably interpret as "we only need 3-4 new rookies"

Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

I expect my sister Laurel to get called and for them to offer a big check 

Time to whip out the old veterans 

Wouldn't be surprised if we see Johnny Veronica Darrell Wes Laurel maybe Cara all on 38 

Bring Back Skulls, cut down on the filler shown, Keep some of these vets at home, leave the rookies no one knows about where they came from, and SHOW DRAMA 

NO NO NO this is exactly what we can't be doing... we can't be asking for skulls back

Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

They'll probably interpret as "we only need 3-4 new rookies"

That is part of the problem--see Bloodlines and Seasons

 

Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

I expect my sister Laurel to get called and for them to offer a big check 

Bring Back Skulls, cut down on the filler shown, Keep some of these vets at home, leave the rookies no one knows about where they came from, and SHOW DRAMA 

No Skulls

i 100% believe this isnt a product problem. double agents was a complete snoozefest and the ratings were good 

Hopefully next season is our next Invasion era with a fresh theme that doesnt involve spies, fresh casting, and good entertainment 

i 100% believe this isnt a product problem. double agents was a complete snoozefest and the ratings were good 

 

Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

They'll probably interpret as "we only need 3-4 new rookies"

That is part of the problem--see Bloodlines and Seasons

and see the rest of the "rookie heavy" seasons. I will give you Seasons 2 though

Hopefully next season is our next Invasion era with a fresh theme that doesnt involve spies, fresh casting, and good entertainment 

that would require them to pull from mtv shows and theyre not doiing that 

Hopefully next season is our next Invasion era with a fresh theme that doesnt involve spies, fresh casting, and good entertainment 

Y'all can't keep making the "it's summer" or "the ratings are still good" argument gping if this was the least watched episode EVER...

Bloodlines premiere is the second least with only 20k more lol

That one was number 88 atleast this one is still number 5 on cable

Hopefully next season is our next Invasion era with a fresh theme that doesnt involve spies, fresh casting, and good entertainment 

Depends on what you need with fresh casting? Having More  than 4 rookies again would be an issue.

I think they need to focus on bringing new vets surprises and building up some of the rookies from this season make fans root for them. I also think it's ridiculous that new episodes aren't put on paramount + the day after it airs

Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

They'll probably interpret as "we only need 3-4 new rookies"

That is part of the problem--see Bloodlines and Seasons

and see the rest of the "rookie heavy" seasons. I will give you Seasons 2 though

What other seaons had more rookies than vets?  Fresh Meat and Fresh Meat 2 but they had Coral then Kenny/Wes.  WOTW did but only until the purge, right?  Rookie heavy is bad but rookie heavy with the same vet cast as the previous season is a disaster waiting to happen

We'll see how much they care about blacklash for social media stuff next season.  I don't think Paulie comes back but wouldn't be shocked to see them pay people like Wes, John, Emily S, Laurel, Cara and Jordan very well.  Maybe Zach too

 

Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

They'll probably interpret as "we only need 3-4 new rookies"

That is part of the problem--see Bloodlines and Seasons

and see the rest of the "rookie heavy" seasons. I will give you Seasons 2 though

What other seaons had more rookies than vets?  Fresh Meat and Fresh Meat 2 but they had Coral then Kenny/Wes.  WOTW did but only until the purge, right?  Rookie heavy is bad but rookie heavy with the same vet cast as the previous season is a disaster waiting to happen

i can agree with that. But rookie heavy doesn't necessarily mean they outnumber vets.

Production really thought they did something with bringing back EVERY vet from last season lol.

I'm honestly not surprised. It's a bad time of year and it's going up against more popular shows. I will say that I never understand when people stop watching because of too many rookies. All of the vets that people adore now used to be rookies. Same with casting pools. Everyone complained about AYTO? and then were mad when they stopped casting from that show. Nothing the producers do will ever appease the masses because people like to live in the past.

 

bad time of the year?? huh? EXCUSES 

There's a way to mix old veterans with new veterans while also having a good mix of maybe 6-7 rookies. It's really not that hard. Which casual fan would want to watch a show about people they don't know about. 

Time to whip out the old veterans 

Wouldn't be surprised if we see Johnny Veronica Darrell Wes Laurel maybe Cara all on 38 

if they did an all vet season I guarantee the hype/ratings would be solid.

The point of the Challenge is it's like an All Stars Survivor/BB season every season and they've moved totally away from that. 

Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

They'll probably interpret as "we only need 3-4 new rookies"

That is part of the problem--see Bloodlines and Seasons

and see the rest of the "rookie heavy" seasons. I will give you Seasons 2 though

What other seaons had more rookies than vets?  Fresh Meat and Fresh Meat 2 but they had Coral then Kenny/Wes.  WOTW did but only until the purge, right?  Rookie heavy is bad but rookie heavy with the same vet cast as the previous season is a disaster waiting to happen

i can agree with that. But rookie heavy doesn't necessarily mean they outnumber vets.

Production really thought they did something with bringing back EVERY vet from last season lol.

And Amanda was the only "non-returning vet" (I think) and no one outside this board really cared about her.  These trilogy things made them even more convinced they had to use repetitive casting.  It's a problem.  They probably easily could used people like Cooke and Marlon

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