The Challenge: Spies, Lies and Allies - Ratings

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genuinely wondering: who does production think we are supposed to be rooting for? there's barely anyone likable on this season. everyone who keeps getting cast is a "love to hate" person (tori, ashley, amanda, devin, fessy, josh, kyle) 

Yeah the big vet alliance are the villains and the rookies are the underdogs, which isn't ideal when the fans don't know or care about most of the rookies. Every time a rookie gets shown to be a potential threat to the vets they go home(Kelz, Michaela), and there's never any secondary plan for the rookies besides hoping the vets don't send them in this time. It's going to be the same thing over and over and we're pretty much just waiting and  hoping that the vet alliance has some drama when they finally have to start targeting each other

exactly! at least cast some likable/entertaining vets if it's going to be a steamroll. the only vet I can see people rooting for is CT and he's doing his best to be invisible this season. 

these new school vets are all just SO not rootable/villains besides Nelson. and Big T, but she wont ever win one of these. 

 

Y'all can't keep making the "it's summer" or "the ratings are still good" argument gping if this was the least watched episode EVER...

Bloodlines premiere is the second least with only 20k more lol

That one was number 88 atleast this one is still number 5 on cable

Tbh... I'd rather watch Bloodlines with a virgin eye over any of the last 3-4 seasons. 

 

 

Y'all can't keep making the "it's summer" or "the ratings are still good" argument gping if this was the least watched episode EVER...

Bloodlines premiere is the second least with only 20k more lol

That one was number 88 atleast this one is still number 5 on cable

Tbh... I'd rather watch Bloodlines with a virgin eye over any of the last 3-4 seasons. 

While the first 2 episodes didn't do that well looks like it pick up viewers interest after watching them since it kept increasing after those getting episodes on the 880k mark

if the vets just keep picking off the rookies the ratings will not get better, we'll see what happens.

it's minor, but CT has barely been in the episodes too. just give him more confessionals in the early past of episodes and itd help ratings. 

if the vets just keep picking off the rookies the ratings will not get better, we'll see what happens.

it's minor, but CT has barely been in the episodes too. just give him more confessionals in the early past of episodes and itd help ratings. 

Honestly, the more rookies that leave I think will help ratings.  Those from Survivor are the only ones that had any potential for a positive impact on ratings.

The common factor in all of those 10 lowest watched episodes is Tori being cast in all of them ☕️☕️

if the vets just keep picking off the rookies the ratings will not get better, we'll see what happens.

it's minor, but CT has barely been in the episodes too. just give him more confessionals in the early past of episodes and itd help ratings. 

I don't think that's the issue lol The issue was having some many new faces at once with a repeated theme.

I think it may pick up on the next two-three episodes since they will be dramatic with a continuing storyline

The common factor in all of those 10 episodes is Tori being cast in all of them ☕️☕️

????  She definitely wasn't on Bloodlines or the 15th episode of FR without looking into it

The common factor in all of those 10 lowest watched episodes is Tori being cast in all of them ☕️☕️

Remember when Tori was your profile picture? Dark times

 

if the vets just keep picking off the rookies the ratings will not get better, we'll see what happens.

it's minor, but CT has barely been in the episodes too. just give him more confessionals in the early past of episodes and itd help ratings. 

I don't think that's the issue lol The issue was having some many new faces at once with a repeated theme.

I think it may pick up on the next two-three episodes since they will be dramatic with a continuing storyline

yeah having all these new people was a dumb choice. 

we'll see if this new storyline is Josh related if he can save the season LOL. People can say whatever about him but he always brings the drama 

 

if the vets just keep picking off the rookies the ratings will not get better, we'll see what happens.

it's minor, but CT has barely been in the episodes too. just give him more confessionals in the early past of episodes and itd help ratings. 

Honestly, the more rookies that leave I think will help ratings.  Those from Survivor are the only ones that had any potential for a positive impact on ratings.

none of the survivor people had any impact on ratings whatsoever 

maybe if Parvati or Rupert was on. No one cares about Michelle or Tommy at ALL

The common factor in all of those 10 lowest watched episodes is Tori being cast in all of them ☕️☕️

Tori has become so unlikable. She used to at least be funny but her act is tired. 

at least cara was a good competitor and entertaining as a villain WOTW2. Tori is neither. Bring back Jordan and then it'll be interesting 

 

 

if the vets just keep picking off the rookies the ratings will not get better, we'll see what happens.

it's minor, but CT has barely been in the episodes too. just give him more confessionals in the early past of episodes and itd help ratings. 

Honestly, the more rookies that leave I think will help ratings.  Those from Survivor are the only ones that had any potential for a positive impact on ratings.

none of the survivor people had any impact on ratings whatsoever 

maybe if Parvati or Rupert was on. No one cares about Michelle or Tommy at ALL

Even diehard Survivor fans like me who want Cydney, Davie or even Ozzy who is same age as CT. I doubt would put a dent in the show. 

It's what it deserves

 

The common factor in all of those 10 episodes is Tori being cast in all of them ☕️☕️

????  She definitely wasn't on Bloodlines or the 15th episode of FR without looking into it

***** why I though that girl was on bloodlines for a moment 

 

The common factor in all of those 10 lowest watched episodes is Tori being cast in all of them ☕️☕️

Remember when Tori was your profile picture? Dark times

That was me trolling about the winner lol

I could be off, but I honestly don't think anyone from any show brings more viewers than legends/veterans on the challenge.

like if they brought back bananas, I can't think of a single survivor or BB person who comes even close to their ratings. Same as cara, etc 

 

 

The common factor in all of those 10 episodes is Tori being cast in all of them ☕️☕️

????  She definitely wasn't on Bloodlines or the 15th episode of FR without looking into it

***** why I though that girl was on bloodlines for a moment 

No worries. Bloodlines is best forgotten. 

 

 

The common factor in all of those 10 lowest watched episodes is Tori being cast in all of them ☕️☕️

Remember when Tori was your profile picture? Dark times

That was me trolling about the winner lol

Lmao

 

 

The common factor in all of those 10 episodes is Tori being cast in all of them ☕️☕️

????  She definitely wasn't on Bloodlines or the 15th episode of FR without looking into it

***** why I though that girl was on bloodlines for a moment 

Because it seems she's been ******* around forever? It's tiring.

Bring in Tiffany New York Pollard or Trisha Paytas

If the ratings are dropping because of the amount of unknowns i wonder if they will change their stragey going forward because the last we heard from some interview that was posted not too long ago, they seem to be doubling down on casting people from obscure shows.

Either way if people arnt liking all the newbies then they should be tuning in for the vets to get rid of them, expect no one likes these vets and for me thats a bigger problem than unkown rookies.

I don't get the fascination of getting obscure shows (her words) like why they she thinks that's good? 

Tbh- All MTV shows are doing bad 

I don't get the fascination of getting obscure shows (her words) like why they she thinks that's good? Tbh- All MTV shows are doing bad 

...And the casting team doesn't even watch the shows. 

I don't get the fascination of getting obscure shows (her words) like why they she thinks that's good? Tbh- All MTV shows are doing bad 

EXACTLY 

makes absolutely no sense 

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