The Challenge: Spies, Lies and Allies - Ratings

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Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

They'll probably interpret as "we only need 3-4 new rookies"

That is part of the problem--see Bloodlines and Seasons

and see the rest of the "rookie heavy" seasons. I will give you Seasons 2 though

What other seaons had more rookies than vets?  Fresh Meat and Fresh Meat 2 but they had Coral then Kenny/Wes.  WOTW did but only until the purge, right?  Rookie heavy is bad but rookie heavy with the same vet cast as the previous season is a disaster waiting to happen

i can agree with that. But rookie heavy doesn't necessarily mean they outnumber vets.

Production really thought they did something with bringing back EVERY vet from last season lol.

and them swapping out darrell of all people is the worst. it's people like him, veronica and theresa that bring back OG fans of the show. they need to keep bringing back old school players instead of people from 10 days of Christmas. 

like really no one from all stars has been on the main show?? makes no sense 

 

Hopefully next season is our next Invasion era with a fresh theme that doesnt involve spies, fresh casting, and good entertainment 

Depends on what you need with fresh casting? Having More  than 4 rookies again would be an issue.

I think they need to focus on bringing new vets surprises and building up some of the rookies from this season make fans root for them. I also think it's ridiculous that new episodes aren't put on paramount + the day after it airs

Agreed, just seeing the love Michele, Kelz, Michaela, Ed, Corey, Esther have gotten so far....build them up

I blame the low ratings on tori 

I do think one of the easiest options is to drop the internationals

 

Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

They'll probably interpret as "we only need 3-4 new rookies"

That is part of the problem--see Bloodlines and Seasons

and see the rest of the "rookie heavy" seasons. I will give you Seasons 2 though

What other seaons had more rookies than vets?  Fresh Meat and Fresh Meat 2 but they had Coral then Kenny/Wes.  WOTW did but only until the purge, right?  Rookie heavy is bad but rookie heavy with the same vet cast as the previous season is a disaster waiting to happen

i can agree with that. But rookie heavy doesn't necessarily mean they outnumber vets.

Production really thought they did something with bringing back EVERY vet from last season lol.

And Amanda was the only "non-returning vet" (I think) and no one outside this board really cared about her.  These trilogy things made them even more convinced they had to use repetitive casting.  It's a problem.  They probably easily could used people like Cooke and Marlon

not a damn soul cares about cooke or marlon man 

I do think one of the easiest options is to drop the internationals

the internationals are cheap thats literally the only reason theyre being cast 

not a damn soul cares about cooke or marlon man 

Because they didn't use them properly--that's the point. 

I do think one of the easiest options is to drop the internationals

the internationals are cheap thats literally the only reason theyre being cast 

They can find Americans cheap too

I don't have a problem with internationals being put on but having so many on the same season is the issue. They did it right on Vendettas when it was just Joss Rogan Kayleigh and Melissa 

 

I do think one of the easiest options is to drop the internationals

the internationals are cheap thats literally the only reason theyre being cast 

the US people are cheap too. those people from love island US, 12 days of XMAS (shows no one watched) of course are going to be cheap. 

 

they also need to stop casting people purely off SM following. it's been shown time and time again it doesn't translate to viewers whatsoever. 

Four international rookies with experience in reality tv and they all were easy to introduce to the audience. So simple yet so effective 

How easy it could be for MTV

Four international rookies with experience in reality tv and they all were easy to introduce to the audience. So simple yet so effective 

How easy it could be for MTV

im telling yall everything wrong with the show now is because of the praise wotw got, which is crazy because it had the same ratings with final reckoning 

I blame the low ratings on tori 

i also just dont think devin is a great regular. he's a great side guy who stirs the pot, but just doesn't have the fanbase of a wes or whoever they are trying to market him as the next "mastermind". 

Yeah next season is gonna get shaken up a lot which is probably for the best as long as they don't bring back skulls.

Bring back the rookies who fans have shown interest in (so far Michaela, Kelz, Tacha, Michele, Corey, Esther, Ed, maybe Berna, Emmanuel, Emy, Logan) and let them develop instead of throwing them away like they did last seasons rookies.

More returning vets, Amanda was the only one this season, it's just not enough especially considering even casuals are tired of most of the vets and constantly talking shit on BB, Tori, Aneesa, Nany, probably a couple others I'm forgetting. Literally remove every explosion, nobody cares and they're just wasting money, and do their best to bring back the people who've shown they'll mix things up and not ride some vet clique like the last couple seasons. These people should not all like each other  

Drop the shitty movie themes, the Mad Max thing worked in WOTW because it was never shoved down our throats and they weren't renaming words with dumb spy words. Just do it back to basics like Rivals, Exes, whatever the hell  other easy *** themes there are. Hell it's a good time to do a gauntlet type theme with rookies + 1 season players against the vets, as long as those vets are mixed up from this season.

Definitely don't bring back skulls, that killed gameplay. Just do last place automatically in elimination.

quit the corny themes. Stop doing such dangerous challenges- most of the time theyre not that interesting to watch. Especially when people keep getting DQed. Put the vets on a rotating basis, it shouldnt be the same exact people every season. Its dry af. Limit the amount of rookies, and stop casting so many internationals in the same season. All the huge fans I know love the old themes, I dont understand why they think these movie themes are it. Give us rivals, exes, good guys vs bad *****, a duel..or the best friend/alliances format some castmembers have been pitching for years. Or are they going to keep doing this partner switching because theyre so pressed about the spoilers?

it could all be so simple if production cared to listen.

Four international rookies with experience in reality tv and they all were easy to introduce to the audience. So simple yet so effective 

How easy it could be for MTV

im telling yall everything wrong with the show now is because of the praise wotw got, which is crazy because it had the same ratings with final reckoning 

WOTW had Americans on that side (Josh, Liz, Morgan, Natalie, Mattie, Chase, probably someone else I'm forgettin)--it wasn't half the cast being international.   Then on WOTW 2s they had at least introduced most of them and only had 6 rookies.

Yeah next season is gonna get shaken up a lot which is probably for the best as long as they don't bring back skulls.

Bring back the rookies who fans have shown interest in (so far Michaela, Kelz, Tacha, Michele, Corey, Esther, Ed, maybe Berna, Emmanuel, Emy, Logan) and let them develop instead of throwing them away like they did last seasons rookies.

More returning vets, Amanda was the only one this season, it's just not enough especially considering even casuals are tired of most of the vets and constantly talking shit on BB, Tori, Aneesa, Nany, probably a couple others I'm forgetting. Literally remove every explosion, nobody cares and they're just wasting money, and do their best to bring back the people who've shown they'll mix things up and not ride some vet clique like the last couple seasons. These people should not all like each other  

Drop the shitty movie themes, the Mad Max thing worked in WOTW because it was never shoved down our throats and they weren't renaming words with dumb spy words. Just do it back to basics like Rivals, Exes, whatever the hell  other easy *** themes there are. Hell it's a good time to do a gauntlet type theme with rookies + 1 season players against the vets, as long as those vets are mixed up from this season.

we are on the same exact page! 

Also not for anything, but does anyone else think devyn hates this spy stuff too? I swear she was embarrassed at all the dumb lines she has to say in the aftermath.

Forgot Hughie, he's had a couple funny moments and performed well in the last challenge, if he last a bit longer I wouldn't mind if he came back as a background character who brings some comedy 

 

Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...

They'll probably interpret as "we only need 3-4 new rookies"

That is part of the problem--see Bloodlines and Seasons

and see the rest of the "rookie heavy" seasons. I will give you Seasons 2 though

What other seaons had more rookies than vets?  Fresh Meat and Fresh Meat 2 but they had Coral then Kenny/Wes.  WOTW did but only until the purge, right?  Rookie heavy is bad but rookie heavy with the same vet cast as the previous season is a disaster waiting to happen

Fresh Meat 2 almost got this show cancelled if you look at them they are great ratings if it was airing now. But it aired during the Jersey Shore hype other MTV show we're pulling 3-4M views at the time then the challenge had a hug drop with hardly ****

Here are the 10 lowest episodes ratings so far on this show 

War of the worlds 2 have 4 episodes on that list and based on the description I read for each they were around Paulie lmao

After the first 2 episodes Bloodlines had a huge increase so there is still hope for this season

Here are the 10 lowest episodes ratings so far on this show 

https://twitter.com/challengemtv___/status/1431018152490582018?s=21

War of the worlds 2 have 4 episodes in the least wand based on the description I read for each they were around Paulie lmao

After the first 2 episodes Bloodlines had a huge increase so there is still hope for this season

Invasion starting low makes sense too without the champs being there.

genuinely wondering: who does production think we are supposed to be rooting for? there's barely anyone likable on this season. everyone who keeps getting cast is a "love to hate" person (tori, ashley, amanda, devin, fessy, josh, kyle) 

genuinely wondering: who does production think we are supposed to be rooting for? there's barely anyone likable on this season. everyone who keeps getting cast is a "love to hate" person (tori, ashley, amanda, devin, fessy, josh, kyle) 

Yeah the big vet alliance are the villains and the rookies are the underdogs, which isn't ideal when the fans don't know or care about most of the rookies. Every time a rookie gets shown to be a potential threat to the vets they go home(Kelz, Michaela), and there's never any secondary plan for the rookies besides hoping the vets don't send them in this time. It's going to be the same thing over and over and we're pretty much just waiting and  hoping that the vet alliance has some drama when they finally have to start targeting each other

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