Definitely don't bring back skulls, that killed gameplay. Just do last place automatically in elimination.
quit the corny themes. Stop doing such dangerous challenges- most of the time theyre not that interesting to watch. Especially when people keep getting DQed. Put the vets on a rotating basis, it shouldnt be the same exact people every season. Its dry af. Limit the amount of rookies, and stop casting so many internationals in the same season. All the huge fans I know love the old themes, I dont understand why they think these movie themes are it. Give us rivals, exes, good guys vs bad *****, a duel..or the best friend/alliances format some castmembers have been pitching for years. Or are they going to keep doing this partner switching because theyre so pressed about the spoilers?
it could all be so simple if production cared to listen.
Four international rookies with experience in reality tv and they all were easy to introduce to the audience. So simple yet so effective
How easy it could be for MTV
im telling yall everything wrong with the show now is because of the praise wotw got, which is crazy because it had the same ratings with final reckoning
WOTW had Americans on that side (Josh, Liz, Morgan, Natalie, Mattie, Chase, probably someone else I'm forgettin)--it wasn't half the cast being international. Then on WOTW 2s they had at least introduced most of them and only had 6 rookies.
Yeah next season is gonna get shaken up a lot which is probably for the best as long as they don't bring back skulls.
Bring back the rookies who fans have shown interest in (so far Michaela, Kelz, Tacha, Michele, Corey, Esther, Ed, maybe Berna, Emmanuel, Emy, Logan) and let them develop instead of throwing them away like they did last seasons rookies.
More returning vets, Amanda was the only one this season, it's just not enough especially considering even casuals are tired of most of the vets and constantly talking shit on BB, Tori, Aneesa, Nany, probably a couple others I'm forgetting. Literally remove every explosion, nobody cares and they're just wasting money, and do their best to bring back the people who've shown they'll mix things up and not ride some vet clique like the last couple seasons. These people should not all like each other
Drop the shitty movie themes, the Mad Max thing worked in WOTW because it was never shoved down our throats and they weren't renaming words with dumb spy words. Just do it back to basics like Rivals, Exes, whatever the **** other easy *** themes there are. **** it's a good time to do a gauntlet type theme with rookies + 1 season players against the vets, as long as those vets are mixed up from this season.
Also not for anything, but does anyone else think devyn hates this spy stuff too? I swear she was embarrassed at all the dumb lines she has to say in the aftermath.
Forgot Hughie, he's had a couple funny moments and performed well in the last challenge, if he last a bit longer I wouldn't mind if he came back as a background character who brings some comedy
Now I'm interested to see what next season cast looks like bc no way they aren't switching things up...
They'll probably interpret as "we only need 3-4 new rookies"
That is part of the problem--see Bloodlines and Seasons
and see the rest of the "rookie heavy" seasons. I will give you Seasons 2 though
What other seaons had more rookies than vets? Fresh Meat and Fresh Meat 2 but they had Coral then Kenny/Wes. WOTW did but only until the purge, right? Rookie heavy is bad but rookie heavy with the same vet cast as the previous season is a disaster waiting to happen
Fresh Meat 2 almost got this show cancelled if you look at them they are great ratings if it was airing now. But it aired during the Jersey Shore hype other MTV show we're pulling 3-4M views at the time then the challenge had a hug drop with hardly ****
genuinely wondering: who does production think we are supposed to be rooting for? there's barely anyone likable on this season. everyone who keeps getting cast is a "love to hate" person (tori, ashley, amanda, devin, fessy, josh, kyle)
genuinely wondering: who does production think we are supposed to be rooting for? there's barely anyone likable on this season. everyone who keeps getting cast is a "love to hate" person (tori, ashley, amanda, devin, fessy, josh, kyle)
Yeah the big vet alliance are the villains and the rookies are the underdogs, which isn't ideal when the fans don't know or care about most of the rookies. Every time a rookie gets shown to be a potential threat to the vets they go home(Kelz, Michaela), and there's never any secondary plan for the rookies besides hoping the vets don't send them in this time. It's going to be the same thing over and over and we're pretty much just waiting and hoping that the vet alliance has some drama when they finally have to start targeting each other
genuinely wondering: who does production think we are supposed to be rooting for? there's barely anyone likable on this season. everyone who keeps getting cast is a "love to hate" person (tori, ashley, amanda, devin, fessy, josh, kyle)
Yeah the big vet alliance are the villains and the rookies are the underdogs, which isn't ideal when the fans don't know or care about most of the rookies. Every time a rookie gets shown to be a potential threat to the vets they go home(Kelz, Michaela), and there's never any secondary plan for the rookies besides hoping the vets don't send them in this time. It's going to be the same thing over and over and we're pretty much just waiting and hoping that the vet alliance has some drama when they finally have to start targeting each other
exactly! at least cast some likable/entertaining vets if it's going to be a steamroll. the only vet I can see people rooting for is CT and he's doing his best to be invisible this season.
these new school vets are all just SO not rootable/villains besides Nelson. and Big T, but she wont ever win one of these.
Y'all can't keep making the "it's summer" or "the ratings are still good" argument gping if this was the least watched episode EVER...
Bloodlines premiere is the second least with only 20k more lol
That one was number 88 atleast this one is still number 5 on cable
Tbh... I'd rather watch Bloodlines with a virgin eye over any of the last 3-4 seasons.
While the first 2 episodes didn't do that well looks like it pick up viewers interest after watching them since it kept increasing after those getting episodes on the 880k mark
if the vets just keep picking off the rookies the ratings will not get better, we'll see what happens.
it's minor, but CT has barely been in the episodes too. just give him more confessionals in the early past of episodes and itd help ratings.
Honestly, the more rookies that leave I think will help ratings. Those from Survivor are the only ones that had any potential for a positive impact on ratings.
if the vets just keep picking off the rookies the ratings will not get better, we'll see what happens.
it's minor, but CT has barely been in the episodes too. just give him more confessionals in the early past of episodes and itd help ratings.
Honestly, the more rookies that leave I think will help ratings. Those from Survivor are the only ones that had any potential for a positive impact on ratings.
none of the survivor people had any impact on ratings whatsoever
maybe if Parvati or Rupert was on. No one cares about Michelle or Tommy at ALL
if the vets just keep picking off the rookies the ratings will not get better, we'll see what happens.
it's minor, but CT has barely been in the episodes too. just give him more confessionals in the early past of episodes and itd help ratings.
Honestly, the more rookies that leave I think will help ratings. Those from Survivor are the only ones that had any potential for a positive impact on ratings.
none of the survivor people had any impact on ratings whatsoever
maybe if Parvati or Rupert was on. No one cares about Michelle or Tommy at ALL
Even diehard Survivor fans like me who want Cydney, Davie or even Ozzy who is same age as CT. I doubt would put a dent in the show.
Definitely don't bring back skulls, that killed gameplay. Just do last place automatically in elimination.
quit the corny themes. Stop doing such dangerous challenges- most of the time theyre not that interesting to watch. Especially when people keep getting DQed. Put the vets on a rotating basis, it shouldnt be the same exact people every season. Its dry af. Limit the amount of rookies, and stop casting so many internationals in the same season. All the huge fans I know love the old themes, I dont understand why they think these movie themes are it. Give us rivals, exes, good guys vs bad *****, a duel..or the best friend/alliances format some castmembers have been pitching for years. Or are they going to keep doing this partner switching because theyre so pressed about the spoilers?
it could all be so simple if production cared to listen.
WOTW had Americans on that side (Josh, Liz, Morgan, Natalie, Mattie, Chase, probably someone else I'm forgettin)--it wasn't half the cast being international. Then on WOTW 2s they had at least introduced most of them and only had 6 rookies.
we are on the same exact page!
Also not for anything, but does anyone else think devyn hates this spy stuff too? I swear she was embarrassed at all the dumb lines she has to say in the aftermath.
Forgot Hughie, he's had a couple funny moments and performed well in the last challenge, if he last a bit longer I wouldn't mind if he came back as a background character who brings some comedy
Fresh Meat 2 almost got this show cancelled if you look at them they are great ratings if it was airing now. But it aired during the Jersey Shore hype other MTV show we're pulling 3-4M views at the time then the challenge had a hug drop with hardly ****
Here are the 10 lowest episodes ratings so far on this show
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War of the worlds 2 have 4 episodes on that list and based on the description I read for each they were around Paulie ****
After the first 2 episodes Bloodlines had a huge increase so there is still hope for this season
Invasion starting low makes sense too without the champs being there.
genuinely wondering: who does production think we are supposed to be rooting for? there's barely anyone likable on this season. everyone who keeps getting cast is a "love to hate" person (tori, ashley, amanda, devin, fessy, josh, kyle)
Yeah the big vet alliance are the villains and the rookies are the underdogs, which isn't ideal when the fans don't know or care about most of the rookies. Every time a rookie gets shown to be a potential threat to the vets they go home(Kelz, Michaela), and there's never any secondary plan for the rookies besides hoping the vets don't send them in this time. It's going to be the same thing over and over and we're pretty much just waiting and hoping that the vet alliance has some drama when they finally have to start targeting each other
exactly! at least cast some likable/entertaining vets if it's going to be a steamroll. the only vet I can see people rooting for is CT and he's doing his best to be invisible this season.
these new school vets are all just SO not rootable/villains besides Nelson. and Big T, but she wont ever win one of these.
Tbh... I'd rather watch Bloodlines with a virgin eye over any of the last 3-4 seasons.
While the first 2 episodes didn't do that well looks like it pick up viewers interest after watching them since it kept increasing after those getting episodes on the 880k mark
if the vets just keep picking off the rookies the ratings will not get better, we'll see what happens.
it's minor, but CT has barely been in the episodes too. just give him more confessionals in the early past of episodes and itd help ratings.
Honestly, the more rookies that leave I think will help ratings. Those from Survivor are the only ones that had any potential for a positive impact on ratings.
The common factor in all of those 10 lowest watched episodes is Tori being cast in all of them ☕️☕️
I don't think that's the issue lol The issue was having some many new faces at once with a repeated theme.
I think it may pick up on the next two-three episodes since they will be dramatic with a continuing storyline
???? She definitely wasn't on Bloodlines or the 15th episode of FR without looking into it
Remember when Tori was your profile picture? Dark times
yeah having all these new people was a dumb choice.
we'll see if this new storyline is Josh related if he can save the season LOL. People can say whatever about him but he always brings the drama
none of the survivor people had any impact on ratings whatsoever
maybe if Parvati or Rupert was on. No one cares about Michelle or Tommy at ALL
Tori has become so unlikable. She used to at least be funny but her act is tired.
at least cara was a good competitor and entertaining as a villain WOTW2. Tori is neither. Bring back Jordan and then it'll be interesting
Even diehard Survivor fans like me who want Cydney, Davie or even Ozzy who is same age as CT. I doubt would put a dent in the show.
***** why I though that girl was on bloodlines for a moment
That was me trolling about the winner lol
I could be off, but I honestly don't think anyone from any show brings more viewers than legends/veterans on the challenge.
like if they brought back bananas, I can't think of a single survivor or BB person who comes even close to their ratings. Same as cara, etc
No worries. Bloodlines is best forgotten.
****
Because it seems she's been ******* around forever? It's tiring.
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