[QUOTE=mtlbrad;320220]Who is JEK exactly? But I agree with someone else's comment on some of the vets having good commentary. None of these rookies have the personality to entertain or give funny one liners. That's definitely a big part of it for me.[/QUOTE]
JEK = Johnny, Evan & Kenny
[QUOTE=Debut Album;320197]Um...None of them have a good political game..They were just lucky to have people around them that didn't play for themselves and were too Scared/Stupid/Apathetic to go against them.
I can't believe that people are ACUTALLY wanting JEK and Wes to come back to these things. NOTHING and I mean NOTHING will EVER make me want to see those losers ever again on these shows..It's time for them go on with their lives. We can't expect them to keep doing these shows forever and ever and ever. It's funny to me that people who were so tired of JEK no what those Idiots back...I admit San Diego are acting like ***** but hey I don't mind..Better than watching Johnny Banannas make it to the end and win for the Umptenth time.[/QUOTE]
Not a good political game? Really? If they don't then who does?
Do you want me to state my case as to why they have a great political game? I can go through they 8 challenges Kenny has done, 8 that Johnny has done, and 6 that Evan has done to explain how they have an awesome political game and how they use politics to get to the cash every time, if you want me to.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;320211][B]They aren't "just like Frank". They earned their status. They didn't just "claim it" because there was no one else around that had a clue.[/B]
Johnny vs. Frank will likely be the theme next time. I wouldn't mind the Gauntlet 4 with similar rules to the Gauntlet 3 because Frank & Johnny would be in the Gauntlet every time their team lost until they went home.[/QUOTE]
First of all..Yes they are just like Frank in fact They're even worse.
And please tell me...What kind of status do these idiots have anyway? I swear people talk like this is the army or something.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;320223]Not a good political game? Really? If they don't then who does?
Do you want me to state my case as to why they have a great political game? I can go through they 8 challenges Kenny has done, 8 that Johnny has done, and 6 that Evan has done to explain how they have an awesome political game and how they use politics to get to the cash every time, if you want me to.[/QUOTE]
Please do, and I bet that all of them will come down to this...the entire cast handed them the money on a silver platter somehow somway.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;320227]First of all..Yes they are just like Frank in fact They're even worse.
And please tell me...What kind of status do these idiots have anyway? I swear people talk like this is the army or something.[/QUOTE]
How are they "even worse"? They've actually proven themselves on the challenges. Frank hasn't. Frank's an awful person--absolutely awful. I look forward to the day he does a challenge and has to deal with people that know what they're doing other than just Wes *who may not even care) & Sarah.
I don't even like JEK. I root for Johnny and Kenny to lose every time they're on the show (I'm indifferent toward Evan) but they do play a great strategic game. Frank & the newbies lucked into a cast that doesn't have a history with the show. You don't have to like someone to acknowledge they're good at something.
I don't believe anyone thinks for a second that things wouldn't be different if there were more veterans. I bet you after these ratings we'll see at least one of JEK next time--if not all 3.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;320230]How are they "even worse"? They've actually proven themselves on the challenges. Frank hasn't. Frank's an awful person--absolutely awful. I look forward to the day he does a challenge and has to deal with people that know what they're doing other than just Wes *who may not even care) & Sarah.
I don't even like JEK. I root for Johnny and Kenny to lose every time they're on the show (I'm indifferent toward Evan) but they do play a great strategic game. Frank & the newbies lucked into a cast that doesn't have a history with the show. You don't have to like someone to acknowledge they're good at something.
I don't believe anyone thinks for a second that things wouldn't be different if there were more veterans. I bet you after these ratings we'll see at least one of JEK next time--if not all 3.[/QUOTE]
How are they worse? Really? Did you See the Ruins? Did you see how they Treated Tonya? Not to mention Raping her with a damn Toothbrush? Them Talking about the Damn casting when 2 out of the 3 of them were never on The Real World? Did you see The Duel 2 Finale when Evan disrespected Britnni? Did you watch The Island When John Treated Evelyn and KellyAnne Like Garbage? Not to mention several of the Castmembers have stated they go to damn far with the **** they do(Which I fully Believe). And The sense of Entitlement they have because Everyone hands them the game on a silver platter?
Look These Idiots don't have any type of status. Just because they've won doesn't put them above anybody on these shows and you talk about Frank having an ego despite him having no competition..Well what the hell do you think JEK have been doing for years now? Having and Ego and Entitlement attitude when everyone plants themselves firmly up their ***** and/or just don't care(They've had competition but they were never really opposed successfully).
Oh and keep in mind I don't think that ratings would be any better if the vets were there. These shows haven't been doing so hot lately even WITH vets..I don't recall BotExs doing all that well. Rivals too(well except that Ratings spike at the end).
We can't depend on Veterans Forever People we just can't.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;320235]How are they worse? Really? Did you See the Ruins? Did you see how they Treated Tonya? Not to mention Raping her with a damn Toothbrush? Them Talking about the Damn casting when 2 out of the 3 of them were never on The Real World? Did you see The Duel 2 Finale when Evan disrespected Britnni? Did you watch The Island When John Treated Evelyn and KellyAnne Like Garbage? Not to mention several of the Castmembers have stated they go to damn far with the **** they do(Which I fully Believe). And The sense of Entitlement they have because Everyone hands them the game on a silver platter?
Look These Idiots don't have any type of status. Just because they've won doesn't put them above anybody on these shows and you talk about Frank having an ego despite him having no competition..Well what the hell do you think JEK have been doing for years now? Having and Ego and Entitlement attitude when everyone plants themselves firmly up their ***** and/or just don't care(They've had competition but they were never really opposed successfully).
Oh and keep in mind I don't think that ratings would be any better if the vets were there. These shows haven't been doing so hot lately even WITH vets..I don't recall BotExs doing all that well. Rivals too(well except that Ratings spike at the end).
We can't depend on Veterans Forever People we just can't.[/QUOTE]
You're changing the point. No one has ever claimed that Johnny or Evan or even Kenny was "a good person" but they put time in to earn their place. Frank hasn't. And Tonya likely has no clue what happened to her on the Ruins. To state she was raped doesn't make sense--it's allegedly until there's a conviction. Tonya should have never been allowed to be there.
There's bias here that you have to admit. You don't want to see them on the show (which is fine) but that doesn't mean they don't add to the show or add viewers.
I don't care what veterans they bring back but there's needs to be a mix. They failed miserably creating a solid mix this time. You can't have 3 teams (12 of the 32 players) that have never done a challenge. That was an epic failure. SD2 & NOLA would have been a solid way to introduce new blood. St Thomas shouldn't be here with them. You may like all the new faces but that's only playing to probably half of their viewing audience. To me there's no difference between new players and when they have a Fresh Meat show. I don't know them--they're brand new and, IMO, they need to earn respect. As Leroy, Emily, Sarah and countless others have done over the years. This challenge handed it to the rookies. That doesn't work [B]for me[/B] and it clearly doesn't work for many others.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;320228]Please Do And I bet that all of them will come down to this...The entire Cast Handed them the Money on a Silver Platter somehow somway.[/QUOTE]
Do any of these come to mind?
Evan getting Landon into the final duel on The Duel 2,
Kenny striking a deal with Evelyn to save his alliance on The Island,
Evan, Kenny, and Johnny telling Wes they would draw names out of a hat and pulled a fast one over him and sent in KellyAnne against Evelyn on The Ruins,
Wes manipulating the entire house to save him and Kenny from the final Jungle on Rivals,
Wes using Ryan as a double agent to save himself for 6 rounds on Fresh Meat II,
Kenny and Evan throwing girl challenges to trim the fat on The Gauntlet III,
Johnny sending in Tyler in order to save Ryan on The Gauntlet III
If I went back and watched all the challenges they did, I'm sure I could find many more. If these examples don't count as playing politics to succeed in or win a challenge I don't know what is.
Also, the difference is JEK clearly has a decent fan base. From the sounds of things everyone hated Frank, Zach & Ashley during their season and many quit watching because of Frank. So, who would you cast moving forward? Pretty sure that's an easy call.
Actually there is 1 person who is witty and could come up with a good commentary, but only 1. That's Knight, which they haven't shown too much of so far except for him trying to court back Jem.
And yes, JEK is good. Those guys make me laugh when they make fun of people.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;320237]You're changing the point. No one has ever claimed that Johnny or Evan or even Kenny was "a good person" but they put time in to earn their place. Frank hasn't. And Tonya likely has no clue what happened to her on the Ruins. To state she was raped doesn't make sense--it's allegedly until there's a conviction. Tonya should have never been allowed to be there.
There's bias here that you have to admit. You don't want to see them on the show (which is fine) but that doesn't mean they don't add to the show or add viewers.
I don't care what veterans they bring back but there's needs to be a mix. They failed miserably creating a solid mix this time. You can't have 3 teams (12 of the 32 players) that have never done a challenge. That was an epic failure. SD2 & NOLA would have been a solid way to introduce new blood. St Thomas shouldn't be here with them. You may like all the new faces but that's only playing to probably half of their viewing audience. To me there's no difference between new players and when they have a Fresh Meat show. I don't know them--they're brand new and, IMO, they need to earn respect. As Leroy, Emily, Sarah and countless others have done over the years. This challenge handed it to the rookies. That doesn't work [B]for me[/B] and it clearly doesn't work for many others.[/QUOTE]
WHAT RESPECT DO THEY NEED TO EARN!!!!! THIS IS A DAMN REALITY SHOW FOR GODS SAKE!!!!!!
Okay I'll admit those Idiots unfotuantely add Viewers..But that doesn't make them Entertaining and I still don't think they add anything meaningful to these shows. And personally I don't think they should be on every damn challenge either. Would a good mix of Veterans/Rookies work? Maybe But for me I'm liking This Rookie Take over. I may not work for YOU and thats fine..But it's working for me.
And honestly you(and some other people and the castmembers) Need to stop with this Rooke/Veteran/status BS. Nobody is better than anyone on these things and just because you've won and or done a thousand of these things doesn't make you better or above anyone else. Nobody was spouting all of this crap back in the old days of the challenges. I miss those days.
But Ultimately I get what you're saying. Frank is Acting like a Veteran When he Really isn't. And I'll agree with you on that...It was stupid how he(and the rest of his team) were acting towards St Thomas
Oh and one question Why don't you think that St Thomas shouldn't have been there?
[QUOTE=Debut Album;320245]
Oh and one question Why don't you think that St Thomas shouldn't have been there?[/QUOTE]
Because 3 teams without prior experience is too many new people for those that don't watch the RW. It is simply poor casting. Nothing against them but their season just ended. Introduce NOLA & SD2 to the viewers that don't watch the RW and then next time St. Thomas and maybe Portland. The Challenge fan base and the Real World fan base aren't the same.
When casting they need to consider their target audience. For me, it's like they randomly put together 3 "Fresh Meat" teams because I have no idea who these people are--same goes for a lot of people that just watch the challenges and not the RW.
Again, 20 people out of 32 had 1 prior challenge or less...15 had never been on a challenge. That's far too many to keep their viewers watching.
When Jasmine & Chet among the most experienced players on the cast ratings will suffer. Danny & Melinda leaving early also kills them but there was nothing they could really do about that.
I would have loved to see what LV, NOLA, SD2 & Cancun could have done teamed up against Austin, Brooklyn and two experienced teams. Then I would have loved the "rookie takeover". This isn't a "takeover". There was no one to "takeover".
I rooted for the Rookies in the Gauntlet III and the Challengers (pointlessly) in The Ruins but this isn't about new people earning respect or proving their worth. It was simply catered to them
[QUOTE=kvm1977;320246]
I would have loved to see what LV, NOLA, SD2 & Cancun could have done teamed up against Austin, Brooklyn and two experienced teams. Then I would have loved the "rookie takeover". This isn't a "takeover". There was no one to "takeover".
I rooted for the Rookies in the Gauntlet III and the Challengers (pointlessly) in The Ruins but this isn't about new people earning respect or proving their worth. It was simply catered to them[/QUOTE]
This is exactly how I feel. I have cheered for the underdogs in previous challenges, hoping for a takeover, but this isn't a takeover situation. I just wish there was a more evenly balanced mix of veterans and rookies.
Like most situations in life, you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top. It happens more quickly for some than for others, but either way, you have to prove yourself.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;320239]Also, the difference is JEK clearly has a decent fan base. From the sounds of things everyone hated Frank, Zach & Ashley during their season and many quit watching because of Frank. So, who would you cast moving forward? Pretty sure that's an easy call.[/QUOTE]
Siding with you on this one. I hate frank and Zach, I dislike JEK but I would much rather see them instead. Frank makes me want to stop watching, and I have been a fan for 12 years. JEK have that "love to hate" quality. Frank? Just hate.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;320246]Because 3 teams without prior experience is too many new people for those that don't watch the RW. It is simply poor casting. Nothing against them but their season just ended. Introduce NOLA & SD2 to the viewers that don't watch the RW and then next time St. Thomas and maybe Portland. The Challenge fan base and the Real World fan base aren't the same.
When casting they need to consider their target audience. For me, it's like they randomly put together 3 "Fresh Meat" teams because I have no idea who these people are--same goes for a lot of people that just watch the challenges and not the RW.
Again, 20 people out of 32 had 1 prior challenge or less...15 had never been on a challenge. That's far too many to keep their viewers watching.
When Jasmine & Chet among the most experienced players on the cast ratings will suffer. Danny & Melinda leaving early also kills them but there was nothing they could really do about that.
I would have loved to see what LV, NOLA, SD2 & Cancun could have done teamed up against Austin, Brooklyn and two experienced teams. Then I would have loved the "rookie takeover". This isn't a "takeover". There was no one to "takeover".
I rooted for the Rookies in the Gauntlet III and the Challengers (pointlessly) in The Ruins but this isn't about new people earning respect or proving their worth. It was simply catered to them[/QUOTE]
But doesn't the fact that The St Thomas season ended more than enough Reason to Put them on a challenge Asap? Why can't they Introduce San Diego New Orleans 2 and St Thomas all at once? That's only 3 teams. They can still cast Veteran Teams.... Like I said they can't rely on old faces all the time. Even if The audiences of The Challenge and RW are Diffrent They gotta build up new people to take over These shows. RW and Challenges are linked Together always have been always will be. They can't keep doing season after season of RW and Then Hold out on putting them on challenges.That's one of the things I look forward to in these things...Seeing how the new cast do in the challenge enviorment(I know I'm not alone in that either). What If JEK, CT, Paula don't want to do them anymore? Then what? They just gonna cancel it because they can't get anyone the Audience is Familer with to carry the show Despite them having several People that are very capable of doing just that but the casual fans don't know them because BMP didn't bother to get them on the Challenges ASAP? That's Stupid to me.
And Why do they need to "earn respect" or "Prove their worth" In what way? If you mean entertainment Then I'll agree with you there.
[QUOTE=Leafie;320247]This is exactly how I feel. I have cheered for the underdogs in previous challenges, hoping for a takeover, but this isn't a takeover situation. I just wish there was a more evenly balanced mix of veterans and rookies.
Like most situations in life, you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top. It happens more quickly for some than for others, but either way, you have to prove yourself.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I don't think a Mix of Vets and Rookies would work..Because I think the Rookies would be too scared to do anything and would just let the Vets walk all over them...It's happened so many times on this show and I'm just tired of it. I'd Rather it be an all Rookie Challenge much like this..At least they get to establish Themselves and show what they're made of without them worrying about offending the "vets".
And I can't say this enough..This is The Challenge..Not the damn Army or any other thing where you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top in life.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;320249]But doesn't the fact that The St Thomas season ended more than enough Reason to Put them on a challenge Asap? Why can't they Introduce San Diego New Orleans 2 and St Thomas all at once? That's only 3 teams. They can still cast Veteran Teams.... Like I said they can't rely on old faces all the time. Even if The audiences of The Challenge and RW are Diffrent They gotta build up new people to take over These shows. RW and Challenges are linked Together always have been always will be. They can't keep doing season after season of RW and Then Hold out on putting them on challenges.That's one of the things I look forward to in these things...Seeing how the new cast do in the challenge enviorment(I know I'm not alone in that either). What If JEK, CT, Paula don't want to do them anymore? Then what? They just gonna cancel it because they can't get anyone the Audience is Familer with to carry the show Despite them having several People that are very capable of doing just that but the casual fans don't know them because BMP didn't bother to get them on the Challenges ASAP? That's Stupid to me.
And Why do they need to "earn respect" or "Prove their worth" In what way? If you mean entertainment Then I'll agree with you there.[/QUOTE]
I already explained this. You have fans that don't watch The Real World--you can't overwhelm them with people they don't know. It gives them no one to root for and it is too many people to try to "get to know" when there's 32 people here and you don't know half of them. I'm still not sure I've seen Nany other than her comment about Danny & Melinda. I saw McKenzie sunbathing once--she's hot--that's all I know about her because there isn't enough time to break them in because there's too many newbies.
There's tons of other possibilities other than JEK, CT & Paula. You introduce people gradually. Like they've always done in the past. Then fans can grow to like those new people. Everyone was a rookie at some point.
They need to prove their worth as "athletes". Going into battle and beat those that have done this before. This isn't Big Brother, Survivor or countless other reality shows where people don't return often. These people will be doing challenges for years if the show lasts and they need to earn their stripes--like everyone prior to them has.
Honestly, this is just about what [B]you[/B] want to see instead of trying to discuss the point--which is what the show needs to do to succeed based on those the view the show. I'm not discussing what you or I want--that's irrelevant. It's about what generates rating and they failed miserably with this cast.
3 teams without any prior experience is alienating viewers. It's that simple.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;320251]I already explained this. You have fans that don't watch The Real World--you can't overwhelm them with people they don't know. It gives them no one to root for and it is too many people to try to "get to know" when there's 32 people here and you don't know half of them. I'm still not sure I've seen Nany other than her comment about Danny & Melinda. I saw McKenzie sunbathing once--she's hot--that's all I know about her because there isn't enough time to break them in because there's too many newbies.
There's tons of other possibilities other than JEK, CT & Paula. You introduce people gradually. Like they've always done in the past. Then fans can grow to like those new people. Everyone was a rookie at some point.
They need to prove their worth as "athletes". Going into battle and beat those that have done this before. This isn't Big Brother, Survivor or countless other reality shows where people don't return often. These people will be doing challenges for years if the show lasts and they need to earn their stripes--like everyone prior to them has.
Honestly, this is just about what [B]you[/B] want to see instead of trying to discuss the point--which is what the show needs to do to succeed based on those the view the show. I'm not discussing what you or I want--that's irrelevant. It's about what generates rating and they failed miserably with this cast.
[B]3 teams without any prior experience is alienating viewers. It's that simple[/B].[/QUOTE]
No it isn't. There are 8 teams there how the hell is 3 too much? There's still 5 teams where they can put familar people in them. That's not overwheming The audience at all.(honestly I would have 4 Veteran Teams and 4 Rookie Teams so both camps have equal footing).And I'm not talking about what I want to see..I'm basically saying what you are you're just not seeing it. I've said before that they can still cast vets..but at the same time build up these rookies so that when these vets move on they already have poeople that the audience already knows. That's what I've been saying..you just aren't seeing it.
Besides alot of the Vets are Moving on anyways..I'm not sure how many vets they can really get at this point.
Approve of all the new blood being on this season given the producers have held back the last few seasons (New Orleans especially should have been on the last season imo) and the old guard is boring. If the producers were efficient these people like Chet, CJ would have done more seasons at this point so they could get the vet stance by now.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;320250]Honestly I don't think a Mix of Vets and Rookies would work..Because I think the Rookies would be too scared to do anything and would just let the Vets walk all over them...It's happened so many times on this show and I'm just tired of it. I'd Rather it be an all Rookie Challenge much like this..At least they get to establish Themselves and show what they're made of without them worrying about offending the "vets".
And I can't say this enough..This is The Challenge..Not the damn Army or any other thing where you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top in life.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. This isn't a serious sports competition, it's a game show like Survivor or Big Brother. It's sad when people like Johnny treat it like a part time job xD
And people get casted because they bring drama, or hookups, in addition to competition. So, it's skewed to what makes good TV and entertainment. Some quiet good competitors are brought back cause they kick *** in the game, but people who don't "train" or play sports are brought in cause they cause fights, are loose, etc.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;320252]No it isn't. There are 8 teams there how the hell is 3 too much? There's still 5 teams where they can put familar people in them. That's not overwheming The audience at all.(honestly I would have 4 Veteran Teams and 4 Rookie Teams so both camps have equal footing).It's not too much at all. and I'm not talking about what I want to see..I'm basically saying what you are you're just not seeing it. I've said before that they can still cast vets..but at the same time build up these rookies so that when these vets move on they already have poeople that the audience already knows. That's what I've been saying..you just aren't seeing it.[/QUOTE]
They can still build up the rookies for when the veterans move on using everything I've said. If they would have done 2 new teams (NOLA & SD2) and still had the other newbies (Devyn, Lacey & Nany) that would have been fine. That would have been more than 1/3rd of the cast as brand new to the Challenge. This is half--it's the equivalent to Fresh Meat without having any real veterans other than Wes & Sarah. I mean, when you're relying on Chet & Jasmine as veterans there's a problem.
Half the viewers aren't going to buy into this. Especially with Austin already leaving. It's limiting who will view the show. This is a simple concept IMO. Imagine what happens to the viewers if Fresh Meat leaves next. Then those "older viewers" are down to 5 of 24 that they know. Sarah, Chet, Alton, Trishelle & Jasmine. That would be it. That's a problem. I don't understand how you don't see this? Actually, I do--you don't want JEK here so anything that keeps them from being here is good with you but it won't work with the target audience.
We agree rookies need to appear but there's too many. There's no reason to have 3 teams with people that those that don't watch The Real World know. It's absurd and poor planning. And rating will likely crash if all the veterans keep leaving--especially with most of the newbies being completely unlikable.
[QUOTE=Seminole;320256]Exactly. This isn't a serious sports competition, it's a game show like Survivor or Big Brother. It's sad when people like Johnny treat it like a part time job xD[/QUOTE]
Exactly...too many people that go on these shows treat it like a job. And that's where I think all this Vet/Rookie/Status/Entitlement BS Comes From.
[QUOTE=Seminole;320256]Exactly. This isn't a serious sports competition, it's a game show like Survivor or Big Brother. It's sad when people like Johnny treat it like a part time job xD[/QUOTE]
It isn't like Survivor or Big Brother because those shows don't reuse the same people over & over. Well, Big Brother is starting to but still no one has done more than 3--people have done as many as, what, 6 challenges in a row. You'll never see that on other reality shows. The comparison is horribly flawed.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;320235]How are they worse? Really? Did you See the Ruins? Did you see how they Treated Tonya? Not to mention Raping her with a damn Toothbrush? Them Talking about the Damn casting when 2 out of the 3 of them were never on The Real World? Did you see The Duel 2 Finale when Evan disrespected Britnni? Did you watch The Island When John Treated Evelyn and KellyAnne Like Garbage? Not to mention several of the Castmembers have stated they go to damn far with the **** they do(Which I fully Believe). And The sense of Entitlement they have because Everyone hands them the game on a silver platter?
Look These Idiots don't have any type of status. Just because they've won doesn't put them above anybody on these shows and you talk about Frank having an ego despite him having no competition..Well what the hell do you think JEK have been doing for years now? Having and Ego and Entitlement attitude when everyone plants themselves firmly up their ***** and/or just don't care(They've had competition but they were never really opposed successfully).
Oh and keep in mind I don't think that ratings would be any better if the vets were there. These shows haven't been doing so hot lately even WITH vets..I don't recall BotExs doing all that well. Rivals too(well except that Ratings spike at the end).
We can't depend on Veterans Forever People we just can't.[/QUOTE]
So...this is kinda off topic but...what's up with the random capital letters? I need to know. Because it's completely distracting, and I'm confused.
Also, if previous wins don't put you above anyone else on these shows, then what does?
I meant in terms of "it's just a game show, nothing serious". Winning money is good, but noone is strange enough to make it their "life", like how some of the past castmates talk about it.
[QUOTE=Seminole;320261]I meant in terms of "it's just a game show, nothing serious". Winning money is good, but noone is strange enough to make it their "life", like how some of the past castmates talk about it.[/QUOTE]
This isn't about "taking is seriously" or not
This is simple. Like anything else that people do make a living doing (and people use these shows to do just that) you earn respect. This cast isn't making people do that. It doesn't work for a lot of viewers. if you don't care that's fine but the discussion is what is needed to do to get people to watch. BMP failed with this cast--the ratings show that and the ratings will likely plummet if the veterans continue to leave.
Newbies to vevmo, Debut Album will never ever say anything positive about Johnny, Evan, Kenny or any of the "stale meat." Even when he's wrong. I've been hearing the same argument for years. Your just gonna have to learn to live with it, NEXT.
[QUOTE=tjhallow;320265]Newbies to vevmo, Debut Album will never ever say anything positive about Johnny, Evan, Kenny or any of the "stale meat." Even when he's wrong. I've been hearing the same argument for years. Your just gonna have to learn to live with it, NEXT.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. It became obvious a while okay this was just about the hatred of JEK--I should have stop at that point. Absolutely absurd IMO
I agree. Casting what would be good for viewers is key. I didn't know that many people didn't watch the Real World who watch the challenges, they should have at least did a marathon of past seasons. That would be sweet.
And personally, it's really sad when the lame-o's try to use the reality show as a source of income. The more humble people, who go on to have FUN are awesome. I loved the old challenges were people would come to go on a vacation, get competitive and relax, instead of trying to train intensely, get mad if someone doesn't work out for one day, and act like it's a collegiate sport :/
A lot of people in these challenges do this too, but some people ruin the "fun" out of it...
[QUOTE=kvm1977;320266]Thanks. It became obvious a while okay this was just about the hatred of JEK--I should have stop at that point. Absolutely absurd IMO[/QUOTE]
Its cool, everyone is entitled to their own opinions but there comes a point where your just beating a dead horse. I agree, freakin ridic!
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