[QUOTE=Morris1721;319628]I highly doubt throwing dirt at each other can really help distinguish a better competitor, especially when the other two females were Theresa and Jasmine, obviously Theresa is going to have the upper-hand with getting rid of more, so that argument is kind of flawed.
What the other poster was saying was a one-on-one go at each other, whether physically or mentally (I'd prefer physically), and I personally would take Jonna over Camila 9 times out of 10 as well.[/QUOTE]
It was 1000lb of sand that they had to remove a large portion of with an appreciable swimming distance that they had to complete immediately afterwards. Size had nothing to do with it, Ev and Paula are not a large team in terms of mass. They won because they had the bestt endurance and conditioning.
I know exactly what the other poster meant. That scenario was the closest that we've seen the two compete against each other in. What other scenarios can you think of where the two were present, competing against each other? All we have is that...and the fact that Camila has completed a final along with a whole list of other accomplishments on these challenges that Jonna hasn't even come close to touching. Really though, I'd like to know exactly what Jonna has done in the past to show that she's physically better than Camila.
[QUOTE=molds13;319479]For about the millionth time - she is not banned. Derrick was just talking out of his ***.[/QUOTE]But didn't she say herself that she was banned in that one blog she posted on her website?? I'm not trying to argue, god knows you know much better than I do, I just specifically remember reading a lengthy blog she had wrote where she had been told by Vinnie that she was banned from the challenges for sharing spoilers during Cutthroat. Perhaps she took it down or edited it but I specifically remember reading it and even discussing it on here.
[QUOTE=CHill;319658]But didn't she say herself that she was banned in that one blog she posted on her website?? I'm not trying to argue, god knows you know much better than I do, I just specifically remember reading a lengthy blog she had wrote where she had been told by Vinnie that she was banned from the challenges for sharing spoilers during Cutthroat.[/QUOTE]
She may have, but according to at least three sources, she was the alternate for the Cancun team for this challenge. Why even place an availability call to someone who's supposedly been banned? Why let them take the psych and medical tests if they're supposedly banned?
I don't buy it.
[QUOTE=CHill;319658]But didn't she say herself that she was banned in that one blog she posted on her website?? I'm not trying to argue, god knows you know much better than I do, I just specifically remember reading a lengthy blog she had wrote where she had been told by Vinnie that she was banned from the challenges for sharing spoilers during Cutthroat. Perhaps she took it down or edited it but I specifically remember reading it and even discussing it on here.[/QUOTE]
Maybe "Vinnie" was wrong or she misunderstood.
I really don't buy anyone truly being banned. If they can help create ratings they'll bring them back--they may just keep them away for a while.
[QUOTE=ILoveRW;319587]Just stubmled across this, Tina is hilarious, I actually love her after listening to this.
[url=http://talkinrealitytv.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/where-are-they-now-w-tina-barta.html]R E A L I T Y - R A D I O: Where Are They Now w/ Tina Barta[/url]
Awful interviewers though.[/QUOTE]
She's so funny! It's nice to hear a podcast with an old school cast member. Her take on Kenny was hysterical and it was interesting to hear that she would come back to a challenge if Rachel and Veronica both went. Veronica said she was done after "The Ruins" but Tina said on the podcast that they've talked about all 3 of them returning!
She addressed the steroid rumors and Tonya's lawsuit which was really interesting.
[QUOTE=v123;319629]It was 1000lb of sand that they had to remove a large portion of with an appreciable swimming distance that they had to complete immediately afterwards. Size had nothing to do with it, Ev and Paula are not a large team in terms of mass. They won because they had the bestt endurance and conditioning.
I know exactly what the other poster meant. That scenario was the closest that we've seen the two compete against each other in. What other scenarios can you think of where the two were present, competing against each other? All we have is that...and the fact that Camila has completed a final along with a whole list of other accomplishments on these challenges that Jonna hasn't even come close to touching. Really though, I'd like to know exactly what Jonna has done in the past to show that she's physically better than Camila.[/QUOTE]
Camila had Theresa--Theresa's legit. Hell, I think Theresa's a better physical competitor than Jonna or Camila. I'd love to see Theresa on a Duel.
The sand competition is hardly anything to judge them on. That's not Jonna vs. Camila. Hopefully they go head to head soon and we can find out. I'll be betting on Jonna. I think she's as strong physically and much stronger mentally. And by mentally I don't mean "puzzles" (we all know Jonna would destroy Camila in a mental or strategic elimination round) I mean stronger mentally in the sense she'll remain calm in a stressful situation.
If you don't believe Jonna's as impressive as Camila that's fine. We shall see how this season plays out.
If I had to pick a partner out of all the girls here my top 3 would be Jonna, Sarah then Camila. It isn't that I hate Camila--I don't--she just wouldn't be my first pick.
Heres a link to the specific blog Emilee wrote for anybody that is interested:
[url=http://emileefitzpatrick.tumblr.com/post/2334242525/donezo-waassshhhiiington]E. • donezo waassshhhiiington.[/url]
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319664]Camila had Theresa--Theresa's legit. Hell, I think Theresa's a better physical competitor than Jonna or Camila. I'd love to see Theresa on a Duel.
The sand competition is hardly anything to judge them on. That's not Jonna vs. Camila. Hopefully they go head to head soon and we can find out. I'll be betting on Jonna. I think she's as strong physically and much stronger mentally. And by mentally I don't mean "puzzles" (we all know Jonna would destroy Camila in a mental or strategic elimination round) I mean stronger mentally in the sense she'll remain calm in a stressful situation.
If you don't believe Jonna's as impressive as Camila that's fine. We shall see how this season plays out.
If I had to pick a partner out of all the girls here my top 3 would be Jonna, Sarah then Camila. It isn't that I hate Camila--I don't--she just wouldn't be my first pick.[/QUOTE]
The sand competition isn't the best indicator of which the stronger competitor is because of the Theresa and Jasmine factor but we don't have much else to go on simply because Jonna just flat out hasn't done anything in these challenges. She was on Rivals and with exception of one mission, she consistently came in last or second to last place every single challenge. I have never seen anything from Jonna that indicates that she's capable of outwrestling Robin/Emilee/Diem, pushing back Katie, swimming as fast as Johnny, keeping up with Laurel(in the die game) and all the other weird but impressive feats Camila has accomplished in the past challenges.
Cara makes mistakes but I can't see her losing to Jonna in anything athletic either. She can out run/swim/hang/climb/kayak her based on what we've seen. Cara finished arguably the longest and physically enduring final to date.
I do think that Jonna can probably solve puzzles faster than the two of them but really though, what has Jonna done in the past to convince you that she can physically keep up? Is there a season that she dominated or was seen as the strongest girl that I missed? I'm not joking either, I'm genuinely curious in what you see in her.
The top 3 athletically capable girls on this challenge are Sarah/Camila/Cara Maria in my opinion. They're all interchangable depending on the event.
[QUOTE=v123;319687]The top 3 athletically capable girls on this challenge are Sarah/Camila/Cara Maria in my opinion. They're all interchangable depending on the event.[/QUOTE]
Sarah is best at puzzles, Cara Maria has the most physical strength and good endurance, and Camila I think has the most will.
For starters--Jonna & Jasmine never came in last on a girls' elimination day. The only reason they were sent in twice was because they were rookies. Kind of like Theresa & Camila didn't finish last. Just FYI--Cara Maria, even with Laurel, finished last.
Jonna throughout Rivals was consistent. She showed no weakness at anything--at all. Jonna also is mentally stronger than Camila and Cara Maria. Cara Maria was already freaking out because she was worried about Danny. DANNY. Danny's 0 for challenge history in elimination rounds. You want her on your team? Really? I actually give Camila credit because that was the most rational she's ever been.
I'm genuinely curious as to what you don't see in Jonna. My guess is you just dislike her personality.
If you'd rather have Cara Maria (this is only getting worse now) than Jonna--that's fine. We'll see who's right when this is over. IMO Jonna's smarter, a better athlete and plays a better social game. There's literally nothing Cara Maria does better than Jonna IMO. Unless you count being carried to the end by Abram then Laurel. Time will tell. Hopefully we get a Duel 3/Gauntlet 4/etc (someone with one on one eliminations) soon because I'd guarantee that Jonna beat Camila or Cara Maria H2H. I don't care what the elimination round is.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;319688]Sarah is best at puzzles, Cara Maria has the most physical strength and good endurance, and Camila I think has the most will.[/QUOTE]
I think people are insanely overrating Cara Maria
Hell, I think people are overrating Camila (though I think she's solid) but there's no way in hell I'd want Cara Maria on my team.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319690]I think people are insanely overrating Cara Maria
Hell, I think people are overrating Camila (though I think she's solid) but there's no way in hell I'd want Cara Maria on my team.[/QUOTE]
Cara Maria is a very good physical competitor. She needs someone on her team that is strong emotionally though. She finished the Final on Rivals, which Mike and Leroy didn't finish. Also, on the last mission before the Final on Cutthroat, she survived when Laurel and Sarah were trying to throw, even though she was against Emily and Jenn.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319690]I think people are insanely overrating Cara Maria
Hell, I think people are overrating Camila (though I think she's solid) but there's no way in hell I'd want Cara Maria on my team.[/QUOTE]
Cara Maria on a Ustream once did 9 pull ups in about 15 seconds. Then when people got mad she didn't do 10, she did 6 more to shut people up. Not to mention what she did on the Rivals final. Laurel will say herself that she did not carry her at all during that final.
Granted, there are things she's weak at and I think that could lead to her downfall this season. Same with Camila and Sarah.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;319694]Cara Maria on a Ustream once did 9 pull ups in about 15 seconds. Then when people got mad she didn't do 10, she did 6 more to shut people up. Not to mention what she did on the Rivals final. Laurel will say herself that she did not carry her at all during that final.
Granted, there are things she's weak at and I think that could lead to her downfall this season. Same with Camila and Sarah.[/QUOTE]
Sarah, Camila & Cara Maria all have weaknesses--I agree. That's why I'd prefer Jonna--that's JMO. I'd much rather gamble with her because I think she's more well-rounded. Cara Maria isn't someone that I'd ever want on my team because I think she's extremely weak mentally. She's a disaster at times. I feel like you'd have to constantly babysit her and try to support her. I don't want to deal with that--ever. Even Camila gets like that at times.
I mean, IMO this is a very weak cast for the women. I'd rank them Jonna, Sarah, Camila, Trishelle, Cara Maria then maybe Melinda or Jasmine....at least until I see something from St Thomas, San Diego & NOLA. It's probably best that Emily, Rachel, Evelyn nor Laurel were on this season because they'd dominate IMO
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319695]Sarah, Camila & Cara Maria all have weaknesses--I agree. That's why I'd prefer Jonna--that's JMO. I'd much rather gamble with her because I think she's more well-rounded. Cara Maria isn't someone that I'd ever want on my team because I think she's extremely weak mentally. She's a disaster at times. I feel like you'd have to constantly babysit her and try to support her. I don't want to deal with that--ever. Even Camila gets like that at times.
I mean, IMO this is a very weak cast for the women. I'd rank them Jonna, Sarah, Camila, Trishelle, Cara Maria then maybe Melinda or Jasmine....at least until I see something from St Thomas, San Diego & NOLA. It's probably best that Emily, Rachel, Evelyn nor Laurel were on this season because they'd dominate IMO[/QUOTE]
So Jonna has no weaknesses? We haven't seen a lick of Jonna's endurance, not to mention she's tiny and probably lacks a ton of physical strength.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;319697]So Jonna has no weaknesses? We haven't seen a lick of Jonna's endurance, not to mention she's tiny and probably lacks a ton of physical strength.[/QUOTE]
She probably has some weaknesses hence "I'd much rather gamble with her because I think she's more well-rounded." I'm acknowledging the "gamble" aspect.
Again, I'd rather take my chance with the unknowns that surround Jonna than the weaknesses that I know exist with the others. That's JMO.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319689]For starters--Jonna & Jasmine never came in last on a girls' elimination day. The only reason they were sent in twice was because they were rookies. Kind of like Theresa & Camila didn't finish last. Just FYI--Cara Maria, even with Laurel, finished last.[/QUOTE]
Jonna/Jasmine competed in 6 physical challenges overall. They placed last on 3/6 missions and second to last on 2/6 missions. 5/6 of the missions, placing last or second to last? That's pretty bad.
Mission #1: High Dive
Jonna/Jasmine finished first with a hash tag distance the same as Aneesa/Robin
Mission #3: Sync or Swim
Worst time out of all the women even though Laurel/Cara DQed. Let's be honest here, Jonna/Jasmine were the least physically capable out of all the women in completing this strenuous challenge. Laurel/Cara were beating Sarah/Katelynn by an appreciable margin before the DQ and Sarah/Katelynn still finished 30 seconds before Jonna/Jasmine.
Mission #4: Hammock Crawl
Only team to not even get through a single hammock. Jonna stepped in and fell immediately.
Mission #5: Against the Current
Winning time between Jenn/Mandi, Laurel/Cara, Ev/Paula. Jonna/Jasmine's times come after, then Sarah/Katelynn with a DQ.
Mission #6: Catch & Release
Close race between the three teams above again. Jonna/Jasmine are last and not in the running.
Mission #7: Sawed Off
Not athletic, but they still finished second to last and poorly even though they didn't get last. Jenn/Mandi and Ev/Paula finished way ahead of them.
I don't care for Jonna's personality but I can separate that from her physical abilities. I don't care for Sarah but can admit that she's good at these things. What I saw from Jonna was somebody who was consistently in last or second to last place on every single mission outside of the first.
A lot of what is shown on TV doesn't translate into actuality necessarily, especially when cast mates speak in contrast to what's shown. In this case it doesn't really apply since I don't recall hearing any cast mates speaking highly of Jonna or Jasmine's abilities.
Cara has nothing on Jonna? Did you see Cara make it across all the hammocks when Jonna couldn't even lay for a second in one? What about the fact that Cara was the female runner up to Ev/Paula both of whom are extremely conditioned and seasoned in long distance races?
Jonna did do well in her elimination round against Sarah even though it was quite apparent that Sarah was much stronger and conditioned in the physical aspect of it since she dug Katelynn out way before Jonna dug Jasmine out. Sarah clearly moved a lot more weight in a shorter amount of time even though it ultimately came down to a puzzle, luckily for Jonna. I'm sure Jonna's ability to solve puzzles will be of use sometime down the road though but I'm still curious as to what she did physically on Rivals that makes you think she can keep up in anything athletic.
Jonna competing with Jasmine has nothing to do with how good Jonna is as an individual. Put Laurel with Jonna and I think they'd have beat Paula & Evelyn. I think Cara Maria has made 2 finals based on who she was with (Laurel and Abe protecting her). Cara lost with Darrell--that's unbelievably poor. Cara Maria & Laurel finished last TWICE together on girl "jungle days". TWICE. And, again, I consider Theresa a stronger competitor than Camila so that should have been a strong team. I don't think Cara Maria or Camila could be the "top girl" on a team and last as long as Jonna did.
Your comments about Jonna just screams "bias" that's why I knew you didn't like her. For example, you claim she "did do well" but then come up with a way to take a shot at her at the same time. Predictable.
She did better in the first mission than Cara Maria and Camila and I think we'll see that consistently but we'll have to wait and see. Based on the previews it looks like the next challenge deals with wrestling. I hope Jonna gets Cara Maria or Camila because I think you're going to be backpedaling very fast.
At best Cara Maria & Camila are average physically which makes them "strong" with this cast. Again, I'd much rather gamble with Jonna as my partner than Cara Maria or Camila. You clearly disagree--we'll see who does better throughout this challenge then hopefully we get a Duel 3 next and will get a real answer but we'll learn a lot the next couple weeks.
[QUOTE=v123;319699]Jonna/Jasmine competed in 6 physical challenges overall. They placed last on 3/6 missions and second to last on 2/6 missions. 5/6 of the missions, placing last or second to last? That's pretty bad.
Mission #1: High Dive
Jonna/Jasmine finished first with a hash tag distance the same as Aneesa/Robin
Mission #3: Sync or Swim
Worst time out of all the women even though Laurel/Cara DQed. Let's be honest here, Jonna/Jasmine were the least physically capable out of all the women in completing this strenuous challenge. Laurel/Cara were beating Sarah/Katelynn by an appreciable margin before the DQ and Sarah/Katelynn still finished 30 seconds before Jonna/Jasmine.
Mission #4: Hammock Crawl
Only team to not even get through a single hammock. Jonna stepped in and fell immediately.
Mission #5: Against the Current
Winning time between Jenn/Mandi, Laurel/Cara, Ev/Paula. Jonna/Jasmine's times come after, then Sarah/Katelynn with a DQ.
Mission #6: Catch & Release
Close race between the three teams above again. Jonna/Jasmine are last and not in the running.
Mission #7: Sawed Off
Not athletic, but they still finished second to last and poorly even though they didn't get last. Jenn/Mandi and Ev/Paula finished way ahead of them.
I don't care for Jonna's personality but I can separate that from her physical abilities. I don't care for Sarah but can admit that she's good at these things. What I saw from Jonna was somebody who was consistently in last or second to last place on every single mission outside of the first.
A lot of what is shown on TV doesn't translate into actuality necessarily, especially when cast mates speak in contrast to what's shown. In this case it doesn't really apply since I don't recall hearing any cast mates speaking highly of Jonna or Jasmine's abilities.
Cara has nothing on Jonna? Did you see Cara make it across all the hammocks when Jonna couldn't even lay for a second in one? What about the fact that Cara was the female runner up to Ev/Paula both of whom are extremely conditioned and seasoned in long distance races?
Jonna did do well in her elimination round against Sarah even though it was quite apparent that Sarah was much stronger and conditioned in the physical aspect of it since she dug Katelynn out way before Jonna dug Jasmine out. Sarah clearly moved a lot more weight in a shorter amount of time even though it ultimately came down to a puzzle, luckily for Jonna. I'm sure Jonna's ability to solve puzzles will be of use sometime down the road though but I'm still curious as to what she did physically on Rivals that makes you think she can keep up in anything athletic.[/QUOTE]
STAMP!!!
Thank you for the break down, I hope everyone takes the time to read this because it's logical and it is the truth.
I get why people may like Jonnas personality and so they favor her, but to rank her athletic ability above people that have proved themselves... after what we have seen her do athletically (or haven't seen her do athletically) is just silly to me.
Nice Job! :)
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319700]Jonna competing with Jasmine has nothing to do with how good Jonna is as an individual. Put Laurel with Jonna and I think they'd have beat Paula & Evelyn. I think Cara Maria has made 2 finals based on who she was with (Laurel and Abe protecting her). Cara lost with Darrell--that's unbelievably poor. Cara Maria & Laurel finished last TWICE together on girl "jungle days". TWICE. And, again, I consider Theresa a stronger competitor than Camila so that should have been a strong team. I don't think Cara Maria or Camila could be the "top girl" on a team and last as long as Jonna did.
Your comments about Jonna just screams "bias" that's why I knew you didn't like her. For example, you claim she "did do well" but then come up with a way to take a shot at her at the same time. Predictable.
She did better in the first mission than Cara Maria and Camila and I think we'll see that consistently but we'll have to wait and see. Based on the previews it looks like the next challenge deals with wrestling. I hope Jonna gets Cara Maria or Camila because I think you're going to be backpedaling very fast.
At best Cara Maria & Camila are average physically which makes them "strong" with this cast. Again, I'd much rather gamble with Jonna as my partner than Cara Maria or Camila. You clearly disagree--we'll see who does better throughout this challenge then hopefully we get a Duel 3 next and will get a real answer but we'll learn a lot the next couple weeks.[/QUOTE]
Bull**** Laurel and Jonna would have won. Cara Maria was the only girl to not throw up during the eating mission and stayed on the rock for half the time. Jonna's not even close to being as strong as Cara Maria so carrying the rock wouldn't have helped either.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;319701]STAMP!!!
Thank you for the break down, I hope everyone takes the time to read this because its logical and it is the truth.
I get why people may like Jonnas personality and so they favor her, but to rank her athletic ability above people that have proved themselves... after what we have seen her do athletically (or havent seen her do athletically) is just silly to me.
Nice Job! :)[/QUOTE]
But it's not the truth. All of that has far more to do with Jasmine than Jonna. And even Jasmine has improved since then.
Again, Jonna was the top girl on her team. Cara Maria nor Camila were. That's a huge difference. And Jonna clearly had the weakest partner of the 3...could anyone even try to dispute that? Jenn had the same disadvantage though Mandi is stronger than Jasmine.
It's honestly amazing that people don't see Jonna as a strong competitor. Absolutely dumbfounding. I think her "personality" is held against her more than your claim that people think she's strong because they like her personality.
Again, we shall see. The proof will be on the screen--we'll see if people ignore it.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;319702]Bull**** Laurel and Jonna would have won. Cara Maria was the only girl to not throw up during the eating mission and stayed on the rock for half the time. Jonna's not even close to being as strong as Cara Maria so carrying the rock wouldn't have helped either.[/QUOTE]
Again, we completely disagree. I don't think Jonna would have had any issue standing on the rock or carrying the rock--none. And Jonna would have definitely helped with the campsite--Jonna would have had that memorized and they would have needed to go back. That even I think you should be able to admit.
Also, there's nothing wrong with throwing up on those eating missions--you should throw up--most do it intentionally. Why wouldn't you want to throw up?
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319700]Jonna competing with Jasmine has nothing to do with how good Jonna is as an individual. [B]Put Laurel with Jonna and I think they'd have beat Paula & Evelyn.[/B] I think Cara Maria has made 2 finals based on who she was with (Laurel and Abe protecting her). Cara lost with Darrell--that's unbelievably poor. Cara Maria & Laurel finished last TWICE together on girl "jungle days". TWICE. [B]And, again, I consider Theresa a stronger competitor than Camila so that should have been a strong team.[/B] [B]I don't think Cara Maria or Camila could be the "top girl" on a team and last as long as Jonna did. [/B]
Your comments about Jonna just screams "bias" that's why I knew you didn't like her. For example, you claim she "did do well" but then come up with a way to take a shot at her at the same time. Predictable.
[B]She did better in the first mission than Cara Maria and Camila and I think we'll see that consistently but we'll have to wait and see[/B]. Based on the previews it looks like the next challenge deals with wrestling. I hope Jonna gets Cara Maria or Camila because I think you're going to be backpedaling very fast.
[B]At best Cara Maria & Camila are average physically which makes them "strong" with this cast.[/B] [B]Again, I'd much rather gamble with Jonna as my partner than Cara Maria or Camila.[/B] You clearly disagree--we'll see who does better throughout this challenge then hopefully we get a Duel 3 next and will get a real answer but we'll learn a lot the next couple weeks.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea how this is even an argument. What exactly has Jonna proven except that she solved a puzzle faster than Sarah? Everything I bolded I think your dead wrong on. What even makes you think Jonna is a good long distance runner and that she would help Laurel win? I don't know what makes you think Theresa is better than Camilla, I think Camilla just proved that she's pretty damn good on Exes. Camila and Theresa were a strong team on Rivals, they were in my opinion the 3rd best girl team but were unfortunate enough to have to go against Laurel/Cara. At least their elimination against them was extremely close, while Jonna/Jasmine got steamrolled against them. You say you don't think Cara Maria or Camilla couldn't be the top girl on a team...well on Cutthroat many people considered Camilla to be the best girl on the red team. I also have no idea how you can say Jonna did better than both of them on the first elimination. Were you in Turkey with a stop watch that day? Cara Maria is definitely above average, she is way more athletic than Jonna and tested better in the combine than Laurel. At this point of all active girls on the challenge (which for argument sake I'll say anyone that has been on since the ruins), I would pick 1. Ev 2. Laurel 3. Emily 4. Rachel 5. Camilla with an argument for Tori, Sarah, and Paula in the top 5. To me its crazy to even compare Jonna to Cara and absolutely ridiculous to compare her to Camilla.
Oh my goodness! Can ya'll just agree to disagree and see how the season plays out. All you are doing is repeating yourselves over and over again. Neither of you is going to change the other's opinion. Move on.
Essentially we agree on nothing other the top 4 in some order are
"1. Ev 2. Laurel 3. Emily 4. Rachel "
I guess we'll have to see which girl lasts the longest this season between Camila, Cara Maria and Jonna.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319700]Put Laurel with Jonna and I think they'd have beat Paula & Evelyn.[/quote]
Can you tell me the mission where Jonna displayed an inordinate amount of endurance that convinces you that she can even complete a final like Rivals without collapsing much less beat Ev/Paula in something similar?
Cara made the finals with the help of Laurel and Abe but it doesn't change the fact that she still completed them without physically collapsing. I'm still trying to figure out when Jonna has ever shown such endurance. Not saying she can't since she's never been put up to the test before, but you seem thoroughly convinced that she would not only complete something like Rivals, but actually win it against Ev/Paula with Laurel as her partner.
Cara/Laurel finished last once. The other time they were sent in the jungle was because of a DQ due to breaking the rules. It doesn't change the fact that they were still on their way to beating Sarah/Katelynn had they followed through with the rules, a team that still beat Jonna/Jasmine by 30 seconds.
[quote]Your comments about Jonna just screams "bias" that's why I knew you didn't like her. For example, you claim she "did do well" but then come up with a way to take a shot at her at the same time. Predictable.[/quote]
But it's the truth. Jonna did well in that elimination round because of the puzzle portion. Sarah clearly beat her in the physical labor portion.
[quote]She did better in the first mission than Cara Maria and Camila[/quote]
Did they list the times in which everybody completed the task? I don't recall Jonna doing better than Cara or Camila since they didn't even post the times. All I recall is Camila and Cara sitting at the top waiting and eventually DQing because Eric was unable to complete the task.
Jasmine did do better than Jonna though since she made it up the ladder before her. That was fairly obvious based off of some of the scenes.
I do retract my original statement that Sarah, Cara and Camila are all athletically superior to Jonna. Why? Because I've never even seen Jonna do anything, that's why. What I can say for sure, at this very moment, is that the three have certainly proven more.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319708]Essentially we agree on nothing other the top 4 in some order are
"1. Ev 2. Laurel 3. Emily 4. Rachel "
I guess we'll have to see which girl lasts the longest this season between Camila, Cara Maria and Jonna.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't prove jack **** considering they have partners and the games aren't random. Cara Maria sucks at puzzles and if she goes home, it will probably be to a puzzle. Not to mention she's got 2 guys with no endurance on her team. Same with Camila.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;319710]That doesn't prove jack **** considering they have partners and the games aren't random. Cara Maria sucks at puzzles and if she goes home, it will probably be to a puzzle. Not to mention she's got 2 guys with no endurance on her team. Same with Camila.[/QUOTE]
Jonna had a partner in everything being used against her
Why isn't "a weak partner" an excuse for Jonna but it is for Cara Maria and Camila?
And if you suck at puzzles that's a problem and goes back to my point that Jonna is more well rounded.
None of these girls are comparable to Emily, Rachel, Evelyn or Laurel. Therefore I take Jonna because she's the best combination of physical, intelligent and social IMO. Sarah or Jonna....then Camila.
[QUOTE=v123;319709]I do retract my original statement that Sarah, Cara and Camila are all athletically superior to Jonna. Why? Because I've never even seen Jonna do anything, that's why.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough
We'll see how things go moving forward.
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