[QUOTE=kvm1977;319711]Jonna had a partner in everything being used against her
Why isn't "a weak partner" an excuse for Jonna but it is for Cara Maria and Camila?
And if you suck at puzzles that's a problem and goes back to my point that Jonna is more well rounded.
None of these girls are comparable to Emily, Rachel, Evelyn or Laurel. Therefore I take Jonna because she's the best combination of physical, intelligent and social IMO. Sarah or Jonna....then Camila.[/QUOTE]
You just flat out used the weak partner excuse for Jonna on Rivals. You can't come here and tell me that Jonna making it farther than them 2 on this one would prove she's better considering you JUST used the same argument that she only didn't win Rivals because she had a bad partner. That's called being a hyopcrite. You can't say that Jonna losing meant bad partners and then say that Cara Maria and Camila possibly losing would mean that they're worse than her.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;319713]You just flat out used the weak partner excuse for Jonna on Rivals. You can't come here and tell me that Jonna making it farther than them 2 on this one would prove she's better considering you JUST used the same argument that she only didn't win Rivals because she had a bad partner. That's called being a hyopcrite. You can't say that Jonna losing meant bad partners and then say that Cara Maria and Camila possibly losing would mean that they're worse than her.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't my point at all. The point was Jonna had to carry her partner while Camila & Cara Maria were riding shotgun. If Jonna would have been a #2 during Rivals her chances would have improved. Put Jonna with a strong partner and her results would have been better. Imagine Cara Maria or Camila trying to work with just Jasmine. That would have been absolutely hysterical IMO.
If Cara Maria or Camila lose because of Eric or Brandon that's simply part of the game and will prove, IMO, that they (Cara & Camila) need a very strong partner to get far in these or someone to protect them (Abram in Cutthroat). This is also the reason I want Duel 3 to happen. I'd love to see Cara Maria or Camila go one on one with Jonna--love it. Maybe we'll see that with the wrestling.
If you disagree with that point then fine but it isn't hypocritical at all. It just proves my point. When you have a partner/team you're only as strong as that partner/team.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319708]Essentially we agree on nothing other the top 4 in some order are
"1. Ev 2. Laurel 3. Emily 4. Rachel "
I guess we'll have to see which girl lasts the longest this season between Camila, Cara Maria and Jonna.[/QUOTE]
Can you at least answer some of the questions I asked like how do you know Jonna would be good in a final and how you know she did better than Camilla and Cara Maria? I'm starting to think you just post stuff to make people disagree with you.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;319715]Can you at least answer some of the questions I asked like how do you know Jonna would be good in a final and how you know she did better than Camilla and Cara Maria? I'm starting to think you just post stuff to make people disagree with you.[/QUOTE]
What have you seen from Jonna that makes you think she couldn't? There's nothing.
She's athletic and in very good shape. There's absolutely nothing that has indicated she shouldn't handle a final. Just like Camila didn't need to finish a final for me to think she'd have no problem doing so. I had no doubt about Camila doing well in a final prior to Exes.
I'm not trying to get anyone to disagree with me--I'm honestly shocked that people don't see Jonna as a strong competitor. Shocked. I truly believe it is simply because they don't like her personality. I should probably check the usernames and then read the comments regarding the premier--something tells me the same people against her here likely had something negative to say about her there.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319716]What have you seen from Jonna that makes you think she couldn't? There's nothing.
She's athletic and in very good shape. There's absolutely nothing that has indicated she shouldn't handle a final. Just like Camila didn't need to finish a final for me to think she'd have no problem doing so. I had no doubt about Camila doing well in a final prior to Exes.
I'm not trying to get anyone to disagree with me--I'm honestly shocked that people don't see Jonna as a strong competitor. Shocked. I truly believe it is simply because they don't like her personality. I should probably check the usernames and then read the comments regarding the premier--something tells me the same people against her here likely had something negative to say about her there.[/QUOTE]
I like Jonna and think she's decent, but you seem you have the vibes going of that one guy who loves Sarah and she thinks she's such a wonderful human being so he defends everything she does. Your entire argument is based on stuff you've pulled out of your *** like "Well she hasn't had the chance, that means she's probably great"
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319716]What have you seen from Jonna that makes you think she couldn't? There's nothing.
She's athletic and in very good shape. There's absolutely nothing that has indicated she shouldn't handle a final. Just like Camila didn't need to finish a final for me to think she'd have no problem doing so. I had no doubt about Camila doing well in a final prior to Exes.
I'm not trying to get anyone to disagree with me--I'm honestly shocked that people don't see Jonna as a strong competitor. Shocked. I truly believe it is simply because they don't like her personality. I should probably check the usernames and then read the comments regarding the premier--something tells me the same people against her here likely had something negative to say about her there.
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Ya I actually like Jonna's personality also. I do think she's kinda a **** and a bit crazy but those are qualities I like in reality stars. I agree with nightwolf I think you just say stuff with no basis sometimes, like saying how Jonna did better than Camilla and Cara in the first episode.
You guys are giving Jonna way to much credit for her endurance(rock, paper, scissors) wins 10 years ago. Jonna would get crushed by Emily, Rachel, Evelyn, Laurel, Tori and a handful of other girls in a physical competition. I don't understand where all you guys are saying she's sooooo strong from?
I just saw the episode! Loved it. Cara is such a good competitor. And even though I'm happy Big Easy won, Wes did a smart thing!
I laughed so hard when Marie pushed someone! (could not see who it was)
[QUOTE=Saloua;319726]I just saw the episode! Loved it. Cara is such a good competitor. And even though I'm happy Big Easy won, Wes did a smart thing!
I laughed so hard when Marie pushed someone! (could not see who it was)[/QUOTE]
It was Derek and Sam, I believe. She got the two-for-one special.
[QUOTE=Kajun;319724]Casey I think is the best competitor! She did great on Fresh Meat and almost always makes it close to the end.[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha, that's a good one.
[QUOTE=TheKorean;319722]You guys are giving Jonna way to much credit for her endurance(rock, paper, scissors) wins 10 years ago. Jonna would get crushed by Emily, Rachel, Evelyn, Laurel, Tori and a handful of other girls in a physical competition. I don't understand where all you guys are saying she's sooooo strong from?[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't every girl get crushed by Emily, Rachel, Evelyn and Laurel? Even Tori?
Camila & Cara Maria would as well--we've seen Emily destroy Cara Maria in "X Battle"
[QUOTE=mizwood;319632]Ryan is so much more interesting than Frank! He was so annoying on his season but I would love to see him on challenge. Sucks he doesn't want to do at least one.[/QUOTE]
What was interesting about him?
I guess different things bother us, but I used to get SO mad just watching each episode. I don't watch TV to raise my blood pressure, I watch it to be entertained.
[QUOTE=CherryPie;319745]What was interesting about him?
I guess different things bother us, but I used to get SO mad just watching each episode. I don't watch TV to raise my blood pressure, I raise it to be entertained.[/QUOTE]
It was commendable that he (RYAN) had certain opinions that maybe differ from what most politically correct people would say. He did a lot of **** that was ignorant, I am not saying he didn't, but he was just real, he was his own person and he had his opinions just like you and I and everybody else does they just are so far from the norm that when expressing his thoughts everyone jumps down his throat
Frank is cool almost maybe kinda, but then just no just no drama queen it is one thing to start controversy about yourself but his way of doing that is to rile up or ruffle the feathers of any person he feels he could make tick until they explode. He literally just targets someone and tries to agitate them to get a reaction and have this huge situation happen that he created for the sake of television and camera time.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;319744]Wouldn't every girl get crushed by Emily, Rachel, Evelyn and Laurel? Even Tori?
Camila & Cara Maria would as well--we've seen Emily destroy Cara Maria in "X Battle"[/QUOTE]
Damn I love Cara Maria but TRUTH. Those four you named are the only competitors that are so into the competition that they will put their heart soul and strength and training into it every time. Camilla is fiery too but I don't know that she could hang with the big dogs. Someone like Aneesa would be up there in physical eliminations if she would just put every ounce of determination into winning and not half *** underperform.
Very random, but why would Kelly Anne need medical marijuana? Does she have some disease that was never mentioned? Unless that card she posted on instagram is a joke.
[QUOTE=Blue123;319783]Very random, but why would Kelly Anne need medical marijuana? Does she have some disease that was never mentioned? Unless that card she posted on instagram is a joke.[/QUOTE]
She wouldn't. But she would jump all over having access to it if the opportunity presented itself
[QUOTE=molds13;319727]It was Derek and Sam, I believe. She got the two-for-one special.[/QUOTE]
It was soooo funny. It was like a clumsy push and Derek pratically flew away.
[QUOTE=dreamer;319746]It was commendable that he (RYAN) had certain opinions that maybe differ from what most politically correct people would say. He did a lot of **** that was ignorant, I am not saying he didn't, but he was just real, he was his own person and he had his opinions just like you and I and everybody else does they just are so far from the norm that when expressing his thoughts everyone jumps down his throat
Frank is cool almost maybe kinda, but then just no just no drama queen it is one thing to start controversy about yourself but his way of doing that is to rile up or ruffle the feathers of any person he feels he could make tick until they explode. He literally just targets someone and tries to agitate them to get a reaction and have this huge situation happen that he created for the sake of television and camera time.[/QUOTE]
I see what you mean, Ryan definitely was his own person. But I feel like he just didn't care about anyone else. I absolutely hate hate hate rude people, people who don't take other people's feelings in consideration, and Ryan acted like that. He was really rude to Preston, Jemmye and Eric, and was unapologetic the whole time.
Oh, you don't have to tell me haha (about Frank being a drama queen)!
I was just saying that between the lesser of two evils, I'd pick Frank, but I agree, he was obnoxious as hell too (after watching him on afterbuzz, I started to dislike him a bit less, but I'm still a long way from liking him). I think Frank is just more... relatable?
Ryan was soo hard-headed, even at the reunion when they were trying to talk it out, you know. Frank opened up a bit more, although I don't think it excuses his behavior, but at least, I understand it a bit more.
The reason why I kinda like Ryan Leslie because he was real. He didn't care about anyone else but he was good TV. He was fun to watch. I watched that season because of him. He had his opinion and was interesting character. He didn't try to get attention he was just ***** because he is that kind of person. He didn't fake it.
Frank was just annoying loooser. I didn't watch that season because of HIM. It looked like he is just a person as anyone else but he tried to be drama queen and it sucked. He was horrible TV. Frank destroyed whole season.
Ryan was the bedass and Frank gay prince who need some kick-***.
I wish Ryan would go for this one.
See I found that Ryan wanted attention. I don't think he was being fake, but I think he absolutely loved the attention that he was getting on the show. I always felt like Ryan went into that house with some sort of agenda. He's just kind of slimy to me, personally.
Choosing between Frank and Ryan is like choosing between death by drowning or burning alive for me though.
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Choosing between Frank and Ryan is like choosing between death by drowning or burning alive for me though.[/QUOTE]
Dude, my greatest two fears of dying!
I love how some people here are saying how they hate Frank, Zach, & Jonna running things and they miss Johnny, Kenny, & Paula but some people have to realize players Johnny, Kenny & Paula were rookies once and weren't the faces of The Challenge other players were like Derrick, Mike The Miz, & Veronica. Like then now it's time for these new kids like Frank, Zach, & Trey I think are going to be the new faces.
[QUOTE=GiggidyGoo90;320048]I love how some people here are saying how they hate Frank, Zach, & Jonna running things and they miss Johnny, Kenny, & Paula but some people have to realize players Johnny, Kenny & Paula were rookies once and weren't the faces of The Challenge other players were like Derrick, Mike The Miz, & Veronica. Like then now it's time for these new kids like Frank, Zach, & Trey I think are going to be the new faces.[/QUOTE]
The difference being that the first few challenges Johnny, Kenny, Tyler and Paula did they were embarrassed. People on Duel 1 were afraid of Evan because of how he did on Fresh Meat but the other four were sent home immediately. Johnny didn't have any power til the Island which was his FOURTH challenge. He didn't walk onto the Duel thinking he deserved to run the show.
[QUOTE=GiggidyGoo90;320048]I love how some people here are saying how they hate Frank, Zach, & Jonna running things and they miss Johnny, Kenny, & Paula but some people have to realize players Johnny, Kenny & Paula were rookies once and weren't the faces of The Challenge other players were like Derrick, Mike The Miz, & Veronica. Like then now it's time for these new kids like Frank, Zach, & Trey I think are going to be the new faces.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but Johnny, Kenny & Paula had to earn their place to control things. This set up made it too easy for rookies to take control. Newbies should never have the run of things. Honestly, the reason this really occurred was Cancun's decision to work with the newbies instead of Brooklyn, Austin & Fresh Meat. I guess we can blame Jonna for that but teaming up with Zach isn't exactly a dumb idea.
Whomever wins this season should have an asterisk by it. I think they'll be in for a rude awakening next time.
I am not sure if that Zach/Dustin says more about Dustin being scrappy or Zach is big but not that strong. Or the game itself took strength out of it I am not sure. I'll have to see how Zach does in other missions/head to head things. He is probably really strong. His punches weren't doing much either haha..He seemed pretty spent after the wrestling too, so I won't judge Zach until I see more of him.
But the thing with the rookies now is Johhny, Evan, and Paula and all them went through the rookie hazing of being sent in right away and paid their dues before becoming vets. These rookies are pretty lucky how this game is set up where they pretty much get to skip over that whole thing and be the power players asap. Hence why it would be very interesting to combine the vets and this new crew next challenge and see how they react to being true rookies. Still only 2 episodes but most of the rookies are getting to avoid the whole rookie initiation thing. That has happened every other season basically.
Not saying it's right, but Johnny paid his dues, Zach should have to eventually also. I actually like all the true vets, but I still am interested to see how these new people do and act, because you know it could very well shape the next challenge. So if Frank/Zach act like they own the world, BMP will just give them karma next challenge where they will be against the big vets.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;320053]Yeah but Johnny, Kenny & Paula had to earn their place to control things. This set up made it too easy for rookies to take control. Newbies should never have the run of things. Honestly, the reason this really occurred was Cancun's decision to work with the newbies instead of Brooklyn, Austin & Fresh Meat. I guess we can blame Jonna for that but teaming up with Zach isn't exactly a dumb idea.
Whomever wins this season should have an asterisk by it. I think they'll be in for a rude awakening next time.[/QUOTE]
The whole having to earn respect on these challenges is The reason why rookies are always the sacrificial lambs every season because they didnt have the balls try to take the game from the vets. Now this season the rookies have numbers and they came to win no room for respect for veterans it's a rookie revolution.
[QUOTE=GiggidyGoo90;320063]The whole having to earn respect on these challenges is The reason why rookies are always the sacrificial lambs every season because they didnt have the balls try to take the game from the vets. Now this season the rookies have numbers and they came to win no room for respect for veterans it's a rookie revolution.[/QUOTE]
Which is why a lot of people already dislike this season. Rookies shouldn't have an easy path. The rookies aren't taking anything there--it's been handed to them. There are no real veterans other than Austin, Fresh Meat & Sarah.
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