Helen just told Andy that if she won HOH this week, she you put up Amanda and Mccrea. It would be smart of Andy to get out either Helen, Elissa, or Aaryn. His best option being Aaryn.
Forget that last post. He needs to get Helen out this week. He need to take Aaryn to the final 4 with him, Amanda, and Mccrea. He will win this game hands down.
A great thing about this season is that it's giving us many all stars for the second installment.
Amanda, Helen, Andy, Aaryn (doubt CBS will allow it) possibly Judd and Mccrea.
[QUOTE=RMD1;358719][B]Helen just told Andy that if she won HOH this week, she you put up Amanda and Mccrea.[/B] It would be smart of Andy to get out either Helen, Elissa, or Aaryn. His best option being Aaryn.[/QUOTE]
Please, that ship has been sailed... Returned to the harbor very briefly, then sailed away again, permanently.
[QUOTE=RMD1;358724]A great thing about this season is that it's giving us many all stars for the second installment.
Amanda, Helen, Andy, Aaryn (doubt CBS will allow it) possibly Judd and Mccrea.[/QUOTE]
Are you joking??????
No way, is CBS going to cast Amanda and Aaryn again after what they said and it's not like the Jeff situation where people outside the live feeds are rooting for them. Almost every BB viewer hates them. Even producers (Don't forget the CEO of CBS!, Julie's husband) from other CBS/reality shows have stated that the casting people should get fired for this cast as they fear that this cast might destroyed the fun behind the game Big Brother.
Andy and Helen would get eaten alive in an All-Star season and probalby would be the first ones to go since their strategy only works one time which is voting with the house. If you read some BB alumnis twitter, you can honestly say that they can't stand any of this cast as they're playing very bad. They know that you can't trust Helen and or Andy since one talks too much and the other one is a mole.
McCrea hasn't done anything to be considered an All-Star yet and Judd would be only an alternative, but only because of his popularity, but he lost big time the last few weeks there too.
Whoever cast the next BB-Allstar season and wants somebody from BB15, he/she should cast someone that hasn't cost any bad news for CBS/Big Brother. Elissa (and to an extent Nick and Howard since both are considered to be in the wrong big brother house) might be the only one whom we'' see again playing this game.
Finally just watched last night episode. Can anyone tell me why the **** Judd is out of the house? I'm a little fired up right now. WHY is Aaryn winning everything, and when did she suddenly become the BB House's "Switzerland?" She's always done what she wants and now all of a sudden she's like, "I'm just gonna do what everybody wants" what the hell happened?
[QUOTE=GDInstall;358755]Are you joking??????
No way, is CBS going to cast Amanda and Aaryn again after what they said and it's not like the Jeff situation where people outside the live feeds are rooting for them. Almost every BB viewer hates them. Even producers (Don't forget the CEO of CBS!, Julie's husband) from other CBS/reality shows have stated that the casting people should get fired for this cast as they fear that this cast might destroyed the fun behind the game Big Brother.
Andy and Helen would get eaten alive in an All-Star season and probalby would be the first ones to go since their strategy only works one time which is voting with the house. If you read some BB alumnis twitter, you can honestly say that they can't stand any of this cast as they're playing very bad. They know that you can't trust Helen and or Andy since one talks too much and the other one is a mole.
McCrea hasn't done anything to be considered an All-Star yet and Judd would be only an alternative, but only because of his popularity, but he lost big time the last few weeks there too.
Whoever cast the next BB-Allstar season and wants somebody from BB15, he/she should cast someone that hasn't cost any bad news for CBS/Big Brother. Elissa (and to an extent Nick and Howard since both are considered to be in the wrong big brother house) might be the only one whom we'' see again playing this game.[/QUOTE]
Aaryn and Amanda brought in the ratings this year. Look at the rise in ratings when the racist comments came out. They are reality TV gold. Especially Amanda. She is one of the most interesting house guests ever. Helen and Andy are playing with who they are around and they are p,aging amazingly. Look at all stars 1. Chill town ran that house. You can argue that they were dumb players. Look at season 10 with Dan. Not the most strategic bunch. Helen and Andy are all stars and deserve to come back.
Nick SUCKED. He played way to hard to fast and was way over confident. Elissa has no game, and neither did Howard. He blew.
People play the best game they have going into a season. There are numerous people playing an excellent game for the hand they were dealt and they deserve to be all stars.
[QUOTE=Klounsnax2.0;358758]Finally just watched last night episode. Can anyone tell me why the **** Judd is out of the house? I'm a little fired up right now. WHY is Aaryn winning everything, and when did she suddenly become the BB House's "Switzerland?" She's always done what she wants and now all of a sudden she's like, "I'm just gonna do what everybody wants" what the hell happened?[/QUOTE]
It was planned all week long that if a double eviction were to take place Judd would leave. He had a final 2 deal with half the house, was telling way to many lies, and was blamed for the MVP votes. That's why he's gone.
[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;358752]Please, that ship has been sailed... Returned to the harbor very briefly, then sailed away again, permanently.[/QUOTE]
You don't think she would? I do.
How is Andy deserving to come back? He'd LOVE to come in third place to McManda (why else would he be so dedicated to them). The guy would evict himself before he evicted Amanda or McCrae. Helen really ****ed up, by not getting Amanda out these last two weeks. Unless she and Elissa begin winning HOHs again, they're screwed.
IMO Amanda is just awful. In a season with legit players, she'd get killed. This season has a house full of sheep.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;358765]How is Andy deserving to come back? He'd LOVE to come in third place to McManda (why else would he be so dedicated to them). The guy would evict himself before he evicted Amanda or McCrae. Helen really ****ed up, by not getting Amanda out these last two weeks. Unless she and Elissa begin winning HOHs again, they're screwed.
IMO Amanda is just awful. In a season with legit players, she'd get killed. This season has a house full of sheep.[/QUOTE]
Andy is far from stupid. There are still so many people left before he needs to get out Amanda and Mccrea. I think people are forgetting that there are still 9 people in the game. That's 6 more evictions until final 3. Plenty of time. If he goes after them ever he is stupid. Let Hellen and Elissa go after them. Then he can pick up the pieces. He's playing a killer social game, a great strategic game, and he now won a HOH. Very well deserving.
People are sheep because Amanda and Helen made them sheep.
The same thing can be thrown to Will, or Dan. They were all sheep those seasons as well.
[QUOTE=RMD1;358760][B]Aaryn and Amanda brought in the ratings this year. Look at the rise in ratings when the racist comments came out. They are reality TV gold[/B]. [B]Especially Amanda. She is one of the most interesting house guests ever[/B]. Helen and Andy are playing with who they are around and they are p,aging amazingly. Look at all stars 1. Chill town ran that house. You can argue that they were dumb players. Look at season 10 with Dan. Not the most strategic bunch. Helen and Andy are all stars and deserve to come back.
[B]Nick SUCKED. He played way to hard to fast and was way over confident. Elissa has no game, and neither did Howard. He blew. [/B]
People play the best game they have going into a season. [B]There are numerous people playing an excellent game for the hand they were dealt and they deserve to be all stars.[/B][/QUOTE]
It is funny when you ask people what makes this season interesting, they don't actually say anything about gameplay/twist/BDs/HG, but only the racism. It seems to me that you don't quite get it what the US/Canada version of Big Brother is all about. It is not about the normal problem/difficulties a normal reality show deal with, BBAmerica/Canada is usually a fair game which is why many people loved this version of Big Brother before and which seperated the US version from all the others. Arrogant people could became fan favorite, because one great move. Judging by the tweets many allumnis don't want to watch, attached or even play this game anymore if CBS would keep this route racism, etc. Everybody thinks this season is just stupid, boring and totally not really Big Brother. Previously on Big Brother, a minority could actually flip the game by just winning one HOH, but this time it's like poison being a HOH or even winning something as Helen stated that Candice should leave the house, because she already won something.
BTW; What makes Amanda a good player or even Andy? If Amanda wouldn't have had Pizza boy with her, she would've been evicted already as he gave her some very good advices. It's a fact that Amanda and Helen can't keep their mouth closed. They change their opinions far too many times and they both just soooo delusional just read the feeds. However I am interested in why you think Amanda, Andy and Helen should be an All-Star with her bad reputation. They are all playing this game as a typical floater. Too afraid of making big moves, making deals with everyone.
You think Nick sucked but Amanda does not? Eventhough Amanda played way to hard to fast and is also way over cofident. Elissa is one of the only few people in this house that hasn't any bad reputation. Like I said, Howard and Nick were in the wrong house and they both are twitter/alumnis favorite.
EDIT: Just read your opinion about Andy, but you have to remember that Andy has to make a move since everybody there said they vote for the one that made the best moves and he isn't doing anything now. He's just MCranda's puppet and got lucky that the HG's thought Judd was MVP as both Judd and Andy played the exact same game prior to Judd's HOH.
[QUOTE=RMD1;358767]Andy is far from stupid. There are still so many people left before he needs to get out Amanda and Mccrea. I think people are forgetting that there are still 9 people in the game. That's 6 more evictions until final 3. Plenty of time. If he goes after them ever he is stupid. Let Hellen and Elissa go after them. Then he can pick up the pieces. He's playing a killer social game, a great strategic game, and he now won a HOH. Very well deserving.
People are sheep because Amanda and Helen made them sheep.
The same thing can be thrown to Will, or Dan. They were all sheep those seasons as well.[/QUOTE]
He has shown us, he won't. Anytime he has gotten a chance to boot Amanda, he's ratted it to her.
A key difference is they didn't target someone who was not a threat for weeks and weeks. They also didn't paint targets on their backs.
The fact that people CHEERED for a lager jury just made me cringe. Aaryn is the only person I'd like to see back.
Just a quick question. Do you think that CBS will do a Gary thing and let the viewers vote for a HG to reenter the game? I think this season needs to get a fan favorite win to lose some bad dust about this season.
[QUOTE=GDInstall;358778]It is funny when you ask people what makes this season interesting, they don't actually say anything about gameplay/twist/BDs/HG, but only the racism. [B]It seems to me that you don't quite get it what the US/Canada version of Big Brother is all about[/B]. It is not about the normal problem/difficulties a normal reality show deal with, BBAmerica/Canada is usually a fair game which is why many people loved this version of Big Brother before and which seperated the US version from all the others. Arrogant people could became fan favorite, because one great move. Judging by the tweets many allumnis don't want to watch, attached or even play this game anymore if CBS would keep this route racism, etc. [B]Everybody thinks this season is just stupid, boring and totally not really Big Brother.[/B] Previously on Big Brother, a minority could actually flip the game by just winning one HOH, but this time it's like poison being a HOH or even winning something as Helen stated that Candice should leave the house, because she already won something.
BTW; What makes Amanda a good player or even Andy? If Amanda wouldn't have had Pizza boy with her, she would've been evicted already as he gave her some very good advices. It's a fact that Amanda and Helen can't keep their mouth closed. They change their opinions far too many times and they both just soooo delusional just read the feeds. However I am interested in why you think Amanda, Andy and Helen should be an All-Star with her bad reputation. They are all playing this game as a typical [B]floater[/B]. Too afraid of making big moves, making deals with everyone.
[B]You think Nick sucked but Amanda does not? Eventhough Amanda played way to hard to fast and is also way over cofident.[/B] Elissa is one of the only few people in this house that hasn't any bad reputation. Like I said, Howard and Nick were in the wrong house and they both are twitter/alumnis favorite.[/QUOTE]
I am well aware of what big brither is about. I have been watching since season 1. It's about strategy first and foremost.
The ratings do not coincide with what you are saying. How is this not "Big Brother?" Just because who the majority of people like aren't controlling the house and the "bad people" are doesn't mean it's still not big brother. Or do you mean because of the MVP twist?
I think you may need to learn the definition of a floater. What Helen and Amanda are doing is talking people into doing what they want. That's not floating, that's strategy.
As for Amanda's "reputation" a majority of the things that were said were taken out of context and put in a clip show on YouTube. I watch the live feeds, I know very well what's going on. Many "fans" want to jump the gun and act like they know everything. The same thing with the spencer comments about the child pornography. "Fans" got cops to investigate him and humiliate him for no reason at all. Just a very bad, and gross joke. Amanda will be asked back because she is tv gold. Funny, Smart, sexy, not afraid to cause drama, and knows how to play this game.
As for Amanda and Nick. Nick played too hard too fast. Amanda is just playing hard. She waited a few weeks to start making her big moves. She planted seeds and got who she wanted out. Very good game play.
Over confident? How about Nick? Rewatch his eviction episode. That's what you call a blindside.
I don't give a damn who the alumni or twitter like. Nick and Howard were both duds. Howard slept half the time and the other half he was either lying to someone and they knew it, or he was talking is riddles because he was to scared to call someone out.
People have favorites because they like them personally, that's fine.
I like people based on strategic gameplay. Every once in a while I will like someone's personality even if their games play sucks, but they don't deserve to be all stars.
All stars should be the best of each season thrown in a house together and this season there are 5 to pick from. Amanda, Andy, Helen, Mccrea (who I think will win if he gets past next week) and possibly Aaryn or Judd. Everyone else is a bad gameplayer.
You can't make an argument that a person played a good game if they are out before jury. Sorry.
[QUOTE=GDInstall;358780]Just a quick question. Do you think that CBS will do a Gary thing and let the viewers vote for a HG to reenter the game? I think this season needs to get a fan favorite win to lose some bad dust about this season.[/QUOTE]
There were a few times in the past when the let America vote a past houseguest back to the game. The last time they let a jury member come back was in season 3. It's usually one of the first few evicted house guests before jury even starts.
I do think they will bring someone back from the jury. Just not sure how they will go about it. They might make them compete for it, America could decide, the houseguest themselves may decide, or it could be a random Pandora's box.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;358779]He has shown us, he won't. Anytime he has gotten a chance to boot Amanda, he's ratted it to her.
A key difference is they didn't target someone who was not a threat for weeks and weeks. They also didn't paint targets on their backs.
The fact that people CHEERED for a lager jury just made me cringe. Aaryn is the only person I'd like to see back.[/QUOTE]
He showed it about an hour ago. He didn't tell Amanda or Mccrea what Helen told him (about going after them next week) he had the opportunity to as well, he spoke with each of them individually after that. He knows what he's doing. He social game is flawless.
They got all of the major threats out in the beginning of the game. Did they not?
I HATE the 9 person jury idea. I hope they keep it a final 2.
I doubt Aaryn will be asked back, unfortunatly :(
[QUOTE=RMD1;358784]He showed it about an hour ago. He didn't tell Amanda or Mccrea what Helen told him (about going after them next week) he had the opportunity to as well, he spoke with each of them individually after that. He knows what he's doing. He social game is flawless.
They got all of the major threats out in the beginning of the game. Did they not?
I HATE the 9 person jury idea. I hope they keep it a final 2.
I doubt Aaryn will be asked back, unfortunatly :([/QUOTE]
Until he proves me wrong, I'll stick to what I wrote.
Howard was not a threat, yet Amanda was convinced he was and PUSHED that idea on everyone.
I only like the idea for drama purposes. True, but she should. She seems like she'll learn a lot more when the backlash hits. GM should be on suicide watch after the show, honestly.
I feel like I'm watching a different game than some people. Take you personal opinion about people out of the equation
Aaryn has risen from the dead and has deals with everyone--legit deals unlike Judd
Andy playing the best floater game since season 4--and, yes, floaters win comps
Helen and Amanda are both controlling the house and it will lead to a showdown (which is why Andy and Aaryn are in the best shape)
Aaryn won't be asked back but she's one of the best NEW players we've seen in a long time
Nick and Kaitlyn were both good players as well even though they left early--a "second chance" BB season of people that failed to make the jury would be a good idea in my opinion--lots of solid options.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;358785]Until he proves me wrong, I'll stick to what I wrote.
[B]Howard was not a threat, yet Amanda was convinced he was and PUSHED that idea on everyone.[/B]
I only like the idea for drama purposes. True, but she should. She seems like she'll learn a lot more when the backlash hits. GM should be on suicide watch after the show, honestly.[/QUOTE]
Howard was going after Amanda, hard. She convinced everyone he was this great game player and a great comp player. When in fact he was neither. She got rid of him because she couldn't control him and that scared her. She was able to get everyone to think it was the best move for their own personal game, when in reality it actually hurt thir game and helped Amanda's game a lot. If that's not a great player, I don't know what is.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;358787]I feel like I'm watching a different game than some people. Take you personal opinion about people out of the equation
Aaryn has risen from the dead and has deals with everyone--legit deals unlike Judd
Andy playing the best floater game since season 4--and, yes, floaters win comps
Helen and Amanda are both controlling the house and it will lead to a showdown (which is why Andy and Aaryn are in the best shape)
Aaryn won't be asked back but she's one of the best NEW players we've seen in a long time
[B]Nick and Kaitlyn were both good players[/B] as well even though they left early--a "second chance" BB season of people that failed to make the jury would be a good idea in my opinion--lots of solid options.[/QUOTE]
I agree with everything besides the bolded part. What did they do that was so good? Nick created a BS alliance that sucked and then he was blindsided week 2. Kaitlin won one competition then was blindside week 4. They had no real game at all. Do you just mean they had potential? That I guess I could understand because they were playing. Kaitlin o ly played that week because she had to or she would've left and the same goes for Nick. I just don't see it.
A second chance season would be awesome!!! Jodie FTW. Lol
[QUOTE=kvm1977;358791]Amanda getting the house to take out Howard was brilliant as she was his target.[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU!!!!!
I feel like I'm watching a different game than most of these people.
[QUOTE=RMD1;358792]I agree with everything besides the bolded part. What did they do that was so good? Nick created a BS alliance that sucked and then he was blindsided week 2. Kaitlin won one competition then was blindside week 4. They had no real game at all. Do you just mean they had potential? That I guess I could understand because they were playing. Kaitlin o ly played that week because she had to or she would've left and the same goes for Nick. I just don't see it.[/QUOTE]
America killed them not their game play...both understood the game extremely well. Good players sometimes leave very early while clueless players tend to stick around for a while because they're legitimately not a threat
Nick, Kaitlyn, Kara, Wil, Cassi, Dom, Monet, Andrew, Kristen, Laura, Casey, Ronnie, Brian and Angie (best eviction speech ever) would be a solid cast--and that's just going back to s10
[QUOTE=kvm1977;358796]America killed them not their game play...both understood the game extremely well. Good players sometimes leave very early while clueless players tend to stick around for a while because they're legitimately not a threat
Nick, Kaitlyn, Kara, Wil, Cassi, Dom, Monet, Andrew, Kristen, Laura, Casey, Ronnie, Brian and Angie (best eviction speech ever) would be a solid cast--and that's just going back to s10[/QUOTE]
I see what you're saying. I just don't think we've seen enough of them for the, to be considered "good players" maybe the had potential, but we just don't know for sure.
You can understand the game very well and still be a sucky player. It comes down to how you execute it.
That would be a decent cast. I wouldn't mind it if they did 8 all stars and 8 second chance players; however I really just want to see a real all star season. Its been way too long.
[QUOTE=RMD1;358798]That would be a decent cast. I wouldn't mind it if they did 8 all stars and 8 second chance players; however I really just want to see a real all star season. Its been way too long.[/QUOTE]
I want an All-Star season as well but apparently that's not in the works
I like the 8 & 8 idea if we can't get All-Stars
[QUOTE=kvm1977;358799]I want an All-Star season as well but apparently that's not in the works
I like the 8 & 8 idea if we can't get All-Stars[/QUOTE]
Where did you hear that from? I really think its coming. Eric Stein made it seem like it was being talked about on the one podcast he did last night.
[QUOTE=RMD1;358800]Where did you hear that from? I really think its coming. Eric Stein made it seem like it was being talked about on the one podcast he did last night.[/QUOTE]
Heard that from a couple places but Stein would have good insight.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;358801]Heard that from a couple places but Stein would have good insight.[/QUOTE]
That's the only reason I was kind of excited. He didn't flat out say it, but he did hint around it.
I'm all big brothered out. Time to go down the shore and drink off my *** for the weekend :)
Howard was gunning for her, but was he winning any competitions? He was gunning for her, with the rest of the house against him. He was a non-entity. She's lucky the house didn't turn on her the way she was pushing so hard for him to get nominated.
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