[QUOTE=RMD1;360089]Rumors are going around that we are going to have a final 3 this year. I will be so pissed if they try to do this.[/QUOTE]
Did they announce that it was a 9 person jury or that everyone in the game made it to jury?
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;360094]Did they announce that it was a 9 person jury or that everyone in the game made it to jury?[/QUOTE]
I don't remember. I couldn't imagine them making it possible for a tie.was there ever a tie in survivor. (if anyone knows)
[QUOTE=RMD1;360103]I don't remember. I couldn't imagine them making it possible for a tie.was there ever a tie in survivor. (if anyone knows)[/QUOTE]
Never been a tie because the 3rd person taken to the end has usually been someone dragged there.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;360112]Never been a tie because the 3rd person taken to the end has usually been someone dragged there.[/QUOTE]
Maybe they are thinking it will work the same way. I really hope they don't do it.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;360094]Did they announce that it was a 9 person jury or that everyone in the game made it to jury?[/QUOTE]
If my memory serves me correctly, Julie said that 9 people will decide the winner.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;360625]Looks like Helen is going to be evicted this week. Her refusal to try harder to flip the house was her downfall.[/QUOTE]
Helen's downfall was that she trusted Andy...and, to a lesser degree, McCrae
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;360625]Looks like Helen is going to be evicted this week. Her refusal to try harder to flip the house was her downfall.[/QUOTE]
Yep. I don't know if it was Dr.Will who said this, but in any reality tv competition, if you get the opportunity to make a move you gotta take it.
[QUOTE=Klounsnax2.0;360650]Was Aaryn suppose to be on RW at some point? I would have died.[/QUOTE]
Judd said she made finals for RW but decided on BB instead.
I'm not sure if that's actually true, but if it was...oh boy.
[QUOTE=ViewRam90;360632]Helen should of never get rid of Jessie and Candice. She had the chance to get rid of Amanda twice and she didn't do it.[/QUOTE]
She never had the numbers to do it....you can't make a move without the numbers.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;360658]She never had the numbers to do it....you can't make a move without the numbers.[/QUOTE]
You can't make a move without the numbers, but she didn't push hard enough to get the numbers. She gave up as soon as Andy said no instead of continuing to pursue it. She didn't have the numbers to evict Nick in week 2 initially, but she pushed and got the numbers to evict him. She could have given much more effort to getting Amanda out.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;360661]You can't make a move without the numbers, but she didn't push hard enough to get the numbers. She gave up as soon as Andy said no instead of continuing to pursue it. She didn't have the numbers to evict Nick in week 2 initially, but she pushed and got the numbers to evict him. She could have given much more effort to getting Amanda out.[/QUOTE]
Once Andy said no it was over--she had no shot of swinging him--none
She didn't make Nick happen...at all
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;360661][B]You can't make a move without the numbers[/B], but she didn't push hard enough to get the numbers. She gave up as soon as Andy said no instead of continuing to pursue it. She didn't have the numbers to evict Nick in week 2 initially, but she pushed and got the numbers to evict him. She could have given much more effort to getting Amanda out.[/QUOTE]
Good people/player actually can make a move without having the numbers first and then flip the house in the long run for their favor.
Nevertheless, I think she could have get the numbers to evict Amanda pretty easy. Jessie, Elissa, Spencer would've evict Amanda if they would've known about the others. That's alredy four votes to evict Amanda and they knew that Judd was Amanda's next target, they could easily tell him that + beginning a paranoia that Amanda is in an all female alliance and GM can be manipulate very easy into believing that Amanda threw her under the bus to Aaryn. Speaking of Aaryn, didn't Helen had the right to choose her (Aaryn's) nominations? McCrea and Howard as her nomination, with that move she (Helen) wouldn't have any blood on her hands and one "strong" player would've gone in every way possible.
But I also feel that Helen got pretty confident with her position as soon as she heard that Howard, Judd/Jessie, Spencer, Candice, Elissa were the targets and not her.
Did no one see Judd's reaction to the suggestion of taking out Amanda? They had a better shot with Andy--which was no shot.
If you watch the live feeds you'd realize Helen had no shot of getting rid of Amanda.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;360674]Did no one see Judd's reaction to the suggestion of taking out Amanda? They had a better shot with Andy--which was no shot.
If you watch the live feeds you'd realize Helen had no shot of getting rid of Amanda.[/QUOTE]
I can't watch the live feeds, but Helen had two chances getting rid of Amanda since she was nominated two times and she decided that it wasn't the right time to get rid of Amanda yet that's why she didn't even really try to do it. She probably thought with Amanda in the house she (Amanda) would always be a bigger target than her.
I read some live feeds updaters on twitter and to me it seems that you can manipulate Judd pretty easy with his biggest fear with an all female alliances running the house. If Jessie, Elissa, Candice and Helen told him that Amanda turned on the alliance by telling McCrea about the alliance, they could easily make Judd the secret agent in that female alliance, he would've believed them. Plus, he had a pretty solid final 2 deal with Elissa whom he trusts the most probably at that point.
Didn't Andy said that he would only do it if other HG's would join them?
[QUOTE=GDInstall;360677]
Didn't Andy said that he would only do it if other HG's would join them?[/QUOTE]
Andy does seem to be very "I'll go with the majority on this one".
[QUOTE=GDInstall;360679]And so do all the others on this season.[/QUOTE]
To an extent, it's not a terrible strategy. But at some point in the game, someone has to do something or they're going to be known as a coattail rider. I can't even tell who's calling the shots at this point.
[QUOTE=GDInstall;360677]I can't watch the live feeds, but Helen had two chances getting rid of Amanda since she was nominated two times and she decided that it wasn't the right time to get rid of Amanda yet that's why she didn't even really try to do it. She probably thought with Amanda in the house she (Amanda) would always be a bigger target than her.
I read some live feeds updaters on twitter and to me it seems that you can manipulate Judd pretty easy with his biggest fear with an all female alliances running the house. If Jessie, Elissa, Candice and Helen told him that Amanda turned on the alliance by telling McCrea about the alliance, they could easily make Judd the secret agent in that female alliance, he would've believed them. Plus, he had a pretty solid final 2 deal with Elissa whom he trusts the most probably at that point.
Didn't Andy said that he would only do it if other HG's would join them?[/QUOTE]
And because Judd was more deadset against it than even Andy it had no chance. There was no swaying Judd--none. Remember those updates are often provided by people that want certain things to happen
He never had a legit F2 with Elissa--never. He planned on riding with Amanda, McCrae and Andy until the end.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;360683]And because Judd was more deadset against it than even Andy it had no chance. There was no swaying Judd--none. Remember those updates are often provided by people that want certain things to happen
[B]He never had a legit F2 with Elissa--never. He planned on riding with Amanda, McCrae and Andy until the end.[/B][/QUOTE]
Did he told that F2 with Elissa to anyone?
Like I said, it seems like Judd can be manipulate very easy, the girls just could've make with him a final 6 deal or something and then both Helen/Elissa or Elissa/Jessie a F3 deal with him and they would've had his vote to evict Amanda. It could've been MC 2.0 where they get rid of the biggest target on the women side with that move they also could've GM in the boat.
[QUOTE=molds13;360680]To an extent, it's not a terrible strategy. But at some point in the game, someone has to do something or they're going to be known as a coattail rider. I can't even tell who's calling the shots at this point.[/QUOTE]
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
― Voltaire
[QUOTE=GDInstall;360684]Did he told that F2 with Elissa to anyone?
Like I said, it seems like Judd can be manipulate very easy, the girls just could've make with him a final 6 deal or something and then both Helen/Elissa or Elissa/Jessie a F3 deal with him and they would've had his vote to evict Amanda. It could've been MC 2.0 where they get rid of the biggest target on the women side with that move they also could've GM in the boat.[/QUOTE]
1. Yes, he told Andy, McCrae and Spencer about his fake f2 with Elissa
2. Judd wasn't easy to manipulate. He was strongly aligned--the problem was that he made too many other deals and people thought he was the mvp
Helen is playing/played a great game but Amanda was/is playing a better game. Helen had no shot to get her out--that's just reality. You're greatly underestimating the power Amanda has
[QUOTE=kvm1977;360685]1. Yes, he told Andy, McCrae and Spencer about his fake f2 with Elissa
2. Judd wasn't easy to manipulate. He was strongly aligned--the problem was that he made too many other deals and people thought he was the mvp
Helen is playing/played a great game but Amanda was/is playing a better game. Helen had no shot to get her out--that's just reality. You're greatly underestimating the power Amanda has[/QUOTE]
1. Thanks for that information didn't know that.
2. Does he? Before evicting Howard there were already talks about evicting Judd if Helen, Andy, Aaryn or GM would've approached Judd with that information about Amanda' s plan she would be gone by now. There're reports that the MVP thing for both Howard and Judd started when they both got called to the DR multiple times a day.
3. Since Helen missed her opportunities she didnt played a good game at all if you look at it now and I know that Amanda is in power there since I quoted Voltaire, but with those rumors about her and Elissa many people will never give her credit. Amandas best moves where McCrea, Andy and Aaryn.
[QUOTE=GDInstall;360686]1. Thanks for that information didn't know that.
2. Does he? Before evicting Howard there were already talks about evicting Judd if Helen, Andy, Aaryn or GM would've approached Judd with that information about Amanda' s plan she would be gone by now. There're reports that the MVP thing for both Howard and Judd started when they both got called to the DR multiple times a day.
3. Since Helen missed her opportunities she didnt played a good game at all if you look at it now and I know that Amanda is in power there since I quoted Voltaire, but with those rumors about her and Elissa many people will never give her credit. Amandas best moves where McCrea, Andy and Aaryn.[/QUOTE]
2. You keep saying that--it isn't true. He wouldn't have believed them--he trusted Andy and McCrae more than anyone. You're not making any sense at this point. You simply keep repeating something that isn't true
3. More than 1 person plays a good game every year--many have played good games that left before Helen. It is absolutely absurd that you believe Helen could have taken out Amanda--that opportunity never arose...never. Amanda played a better game than her--that doesn't mean Helen played a bad game.
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