Fresh Meat II: Episode 2

[QUOTE=nellygrl;168765]But that's the thing... don't you think you're underestimating Kenny's political power a bit?I don;t think Kenny will have a hard time strengthening his alliance now that he's severed his fake alliance with Wes.[/QUOTE] I don't think I'm underestimating his political power AT ALL. Why should I just assume he's going to gain control of the house, especially without his usual sidekicks there?

[QUOTE=faceless;168758]I don't it was a win/win or win/lose situation. Cause what would you have rather happened if you were Wes? The king of the opposing alliance coming back and going a full out war against you or a team of pawns who don't really know anything about the game coming back and you probably could have rallied them up or gotten them out easily.[/QUOTE] Without a doubt there was a bigger win than the other but either way Kenny's game would end up being negatively affected, that's what they saw, that's what I see and that's what I think made it a win-win.

[QUOTE=AJHill;168767]I don't think I'm underestimating his political power AT ALL. Why should I just assume he's going to gain control of the house, especially without his usual sidekicks there?[/QUOTE] Alright... well, I think Kenny has a gift for sweet talking and I don;t think it;s going to be as hard as everyone seems to think it;s going to be for Kenny to work up a few more votes. Danny is weak and can easily be swayed... Landon is a wild card... He already has Jenn... possibly, with a bit of convincing, Noor... he has Jillian... He has Paula... Then, I don;t even think Mandi is 100% behind Wes. During the Dailies, she didn;t look very comfortable with the decisions he was making. I'm just saying anything could happen and I don't see why everyone thinks it'll be so hard for Kenny's alliance to grow... especially sense Wes's alliance consists of a lot of average, if not weak, teams.

[QUOTE=nellygrl;168770]Alright... well, I think Kenny has a gift for sweet talking and I don;t think it;s going to be as hard as everyone seems to think it;s going to be for Kenny to work up a few more votes. Danny is weak and can easily be swayed... Landon is a wild card... He already has Jenn... possibly, with a bit of convincing, Noor... he has Jillian... He has Paula... Then, I don;t even think Mandi is 100% behind Wes. During the Dailies, she didn;t look very comfortable with the decisions he was making. I'm just saying anything could happen and I don't see why everyone thinks it'll be so hard for Kenny's alliance to grow... especially sense Wes's alliance consists of a lot of average, if not weak, teams.[/QUOTE] Not that he matters as a player at all, but do you really think that Danny, his close friend from his own season of RW could be swayed to go with Kenny? I don't think so. I don't think anyone is saying that is impossible for Kenny to get people on his side. The point is that he has some convincing to do, he has some work to do, he has 2 members of his alliance to make up for, him having to do that is what made the situation a win-win.

[QUOTE=nellygrl;168770]Alright... well, I think Kenny has a gift for sweet talking and I don;t think it;s going to be as hard as everyone seems to think it;s going to be for Kenny to work up a few more votes. Danny is weak and can easily be swayed... Landon is a wild card... He already has Jenn... possibly, with a bit of convincing, Noor... he has Jillian... He has Paula... Then, I don;t even think Mandi is 100% behind Wes. During the Dailies, she didn;t look very comfortable with the decisions he was making. I'm just saying anything could happen and I don't see why everyone thinks it'll be so hard for Kenny's alliance to grow... especially sense Wes's alliance consists of a lot of average, if not weak, teams.[/QUOTE] As of right now, Danny is on Wes' side, and there's no way Kenny would be the one to sway him--Danny is kind of like Wes' Johnny. Landon already aligned with Wes, so changing that at this point would be stupid. Wes' side: his partner (who also said that Kenny plays a scummy game, so she's not taking his side), Ev and Luke, CJ/Sydney, Danny/Sandy, Landon/Carley and Katelynn/Brandon for sure. That's six pairs at a minimum, enough to win the next vote even if one of them was called into Exile by Kenny. Plus, when people see that Kenny's alliance is losing, they're more likely to jump ship, not join him! Why would you want to be on the losing side? Especially when the Wes Side has Landon and Evelyn, two traditionally strong players? I don't see how Kenny's alliance has stronger teams than Wes'. At this point, Kenny's only solid ally is Paula. The rest just seem to be along for the ride, so even if Kenny won next week and put in Wes, voting her into Exile seems like the smart choice because of the chance of getting rid of his other strongest supporter. Once he loses Paula, he has NO more friends--just people who don't like Wes. People who probably wouldn't mind stabbing him in the back.

[QUOTE=Insider;168751]Earlier someone said something that I strongly agree with. I'm mobile and can't find it but it was something like Kenny plays the game to win and Wes plays the game to send Kenny home. I think that hit the nail on the head. Has Wes ever placed higher than Kenny in a challenge? I don't remember. If so, it was once. I don't recall if Wes was on I3. The point here is this... Kenny has always finished better than Wes and probably always will. You can say what you want, but the proof is in the pudding.[/QUOTE] That was me!

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;168774] At this point, Kenny's only solid ally is Paula. The rest just seem to be along for the ride, so even if Kenny won next week and put in Wes, voting her into Exile seems like the smart choice because of the chance of getting rid of his other strongest supporter. Once he loses Paula, he has NO more friends--just people who don't like Wes. People who probably wouldn't mind stabbing him in the back.[/QUOTE] I was thinking the same thing. I think Paula has the target on her back next. If Kenny loses Paula, his alliance is all but finished. I would not be suprised at all to see Paula and Jeff get thrown in next week. Kenny is lucky he has a strong partner...it will make it difficult to get rid of him.

[QUOTE=tjhallow;168289]At this point, I would say Ryan is better than Danny. Danny sucks at life. Oh and CJ is tolerable because none of the cretins from his season are with him.[/QUOTE] I don't get where people had a problem with CJ... he was pretty much normal and ALL of the girls from Cancun were insufferable imo.

[QUOTE=RMD1;168301]Sara is ******* me off.. You are not cool. I don't like her at all this season.[/QUOTE] I'm still trying to figure out why she was part of his alliance at all after all the "emotional trauma" he supposedly put her through during the Ruins.

[QUOTE=Aereas;168854]I'm still trying to figure out why she was part of his alliance at all after all the "emotional trauma" he supposedly put her through during the Ruins.[/QUOTE] Because supposedly, they were actually friends, but it was Johnny that made her cry and editing made it look like Kenny. Also, they are friends outside the challenge and do spend time together.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;168444] 4) For all you people who say that climbing UP a mountain, at a high elevation with thin air, with a MINUMUM of 90 pounds (he might have had more before the first puzzle) swinging from buckets, looks easy...first go walk with a 90-pound bar on your shoulders. Then hike with it. And then understand that what they did was STILL harder. Even though Kenny and Laurel won, they're probably at a huge disadvantage for the next challenge because that has GOT to be killer on your back and shoulders. Basically...LOVE LOVE LOVE this! I love that there is no one set "Alliance," and the way the game is, no one is completely safe. Plus the Exiles look hard as hell! Although again...could you imagine some tiny girl like Sandy having to carry that much weight? I really think they should make some part of the weight-carrying based on the challenger's own body weight.[/QUOTE] My wife and I had a good laugh imagining Casey trying to complete this Exile. Not knowing the specifics of the rules for the Exile, it seems to me it would have been a little easier if they had walked single-file, with both players carrying 1 bar on each shoulder (like they were carrying the planks of a litter on their shoulders). At the least the buckets would have been a bit more stable.

I think Landon was put in a bad spot. I think it would have been a lot better for him to avoid taking a side for at least a few more exiles. The problem he has is that if he sides with Kenny, then right now Wes has the power to vote in Landon. On the other hand, now he runs the risk of getting thrown in by Kenny after a win (if Wes cant win a water based challenge, he isnt going to win anything else)

Oh gosh, Casey would fall over immediately if she was in that exile. Love her for the one-liners she says but not so much the competiting. I hope Landon doesn't get screwed over by siding with Wes. I like him because he tries not to participate in alliances. Kenny and Wes, ugh. Kenny, I've hated since day one. He's not getting any sympathy from me. Wes is getting even more of a (insert choice word) by the episode. Doesn't it seem to y'all his head is getting too big for his britches a little?

I appreciated the chance to see Kenny struggle during that challenge only because it did show the effort he is putting in to win. It humanizes him a bit. Not really sure who was the weak link between Sarah/Vinnie but I wouldn't call Sarah a weak competitor; she might have won the Ruins if not for Kellyanne.

[QUOTE=Aereas;168930]I appreciated the chance to see Kenny struggle during that challenge only because it did show the effort he is putting in to win. It humanizes him a bit. Not really sure who was the weak link between Sarah/Vinnie but I wouldn't call Sarah a weak competitor; she might have won the Ruins if not for Kellyanne.[/QUOTE] I don't know if I would say that either of them were weak. Kenny and Laurel were just better.

[QUOTE=Aereas;168930]I appreciated the chance to see Kenny struggle during that challenge only because it did show the effort he is putting in to win. It humanizes him a bit. Not really sure who was the weak link between Sarah/Vinnie but I wouldn't call Sarah a weak competitor; she might have won the Ruins if not for Kellyanne.[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter, Laurel is an absolute beast and is the reason why I don't think anyone can beat them in the elimination round. I'm not hating on Kenny, but he really lucked out with getting to choose her (by getting a high pick and Darrell passing on her). And please don't hate on me but what else call I call that except luck. Laurel carries her own weight far more than the other girls on the FM just by her size advantage and athleticism. If Wes got to choose her I would call him lucky too.

The weight you carry as it has been stated here before should have been determined by ones own weight. It would have been a fairer process, of course Laurel will carry more she is over 6ft tall as opposed to some of the smaller girls like Jillian.

Kenny and Laurel only won by 5 minutes...they all did a good job.

Exiles like this just make me cringe and go "agh". I admit it was hard but each team just kept the same pace, puzzles seemed like they were there just to be there, and didn't really show much skill or athleticism. I would like to see more dimensions and levels to these challenges. The first puzzle and marble one were jokes it seemed from my screen. Make three puzzles like the second one and then I can see how those could actually come into play. Whichever team gets the five second lead in the beginning will win because both teams will go the same speed the entire time for the most part and getting enough speed to run past a team is very unlikely in a competition like that.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;168526]Maybe because Wes got the whole house to vote for her and Pete to go against Darrell and Cara Maria ? That's my guess.[/QUOTE] That may have been part of it, but I also think Jillian strongly liked the idea of throwing in Wes against Kenny because she saw it as a strategic move that would get at least one of the dominant teams running the game out of the house for sure. Hec, I would've liked that idea too. This may be considered putting too many eggs into one basket, but I would have banked on Kenny taking out Wes since Kenny has a stronger partner, then perhaps Jillian could have gotten in with Kenny's alliance since she voted the way Kenny wanted. That may have been the logic behind Jillian's thinking - take out one of the top dogs and get on good terms with the other. But then again, who knows if that would have been enough for Kenny to agree to look out for her and Pete.

[QUOTE=FM-DIAF;168943]Exiles like this just make me cringe and go "agh". I admit it was hard but each team just kept the same pace, puzzles seemed like they were there just to be there, and didn't really show much skill or athleticism. I would like to see more dimensions and levels to these challenges. The first puzzle and marble one were jokes it seemed from my screen. Make three puzzles like the second one and then I can see how those could actually come into play. Whichever team gets the five second lead in the beginning will win because both teams will go the same speed the entire time for the most part and getting enough speed to run past a team is very unlikely in a competition like that.[/QUOTE] I agree. This one looked a LOT harder, but I think I liked the first Exile better, where they actually seem like they're moving. And I'm getting a little bored of the jigsaw-like mountain shaped puzzles. What happened to the puzzles from FM 1? Those were so much better. Is there going to be an Aftershow this week?

This episode was really good though. I genuinely enjoyed it. I must get on the Paula bandwagon this season, because I also LOL'd really hard at her comment. "These Freshmeat have an opinion of their own?! That is SO inappropriate!" *****! :laugh1: I liked Danny on his RW season, but I agree with everyone else that doesn't like him on the challenges. His attitude like he runs the game is very unfounded, and he can be very dense. His scenario for throwing in CJ was stupid, and so were most of his comments on this episode. Did anyone catch when he was talking about Landon winning the challenge and said, "No one knows what Landon is going to do because he plays the game so straight up." ***? That's like saying to someone, "No one ever knows how you truly feel because you are so blunt." Lol I also liked Sarah on Brooklyn and The Ruins, but her head has definitely gotten too big on this challenge. I liked the more humble side of her. Evelyn was right in everything that she said to her (although it was a bit hypocritical coming from her since she was so cocky on FM1 like she was gonna win the whole thing, then she lost to Wes and CASEY.). Either way, better Evelyn dishing it to her than no one. I think what happened to Sarah was inevitable. She chose to align with Kenny and wanted to tell Katelynn what to do, and at the end of the day she was the one on the wrong side. Looking forward to the next episode! I haven't posted on this site in like a year and a half, so that's when you know a challenge is good! lol

[QUOTE=Overit90;168958]I also liked Sarah on Brooklyn and The Ruins, but her head has definitely gotten too big on this challenge. I liked the more humble side of her. Evelyn was right in everything that she said to her (although it was a bit hypocritical coming from her since she was so cocky on FM1 like she was gonna win the whole thing, then she lost to Wes and CASEY.). Either way, better Evelyn dishing it to her than no one. [/QUOTE] I think that's exactly why it was Evelyn telling her...Evelyn's already been there, knows what it's like to be cocky and overconfident, but she learned her lesson. She really sounded like she was trying to give Sarah advice, not shoving it in her face that she's done more, but Sarah wasn't going to listen, and especially not to Evelyn. Oh well.

Why would Sarah want to hear what Ev had to say when it was her idea to put her in anyway...I would have been stubborn and not listened her too.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;168961]I think that's exactly why it was Evelyn telling her...Evelyn's already been there, knows what it's like to be cocky and overconfident, but she learned her lesson. She really sounded like she was trying to give Sarah advice, not shoving it in her face that she's done more, but Sarah wasn't going to listen, and especially not to Evelyn. Oh well.[/QUOTE] Good point! I did see it more as advice than bragging.

This is random, but I hate the intro. It's so plain, like the DC one.

[QUOTE=Overit90;168953]That may have been part of it, but I also think Jillian strongly liked the idea of throwing in Wes against Kenny because she saw it as a strategic move that would get at least one of the dominant teams running the game out of the house for sure. Hec, I would've liked that idea too. This may be considered putting too many eggs into one basket, but I would have banked on Kenny taking out Wes since Kenny has a stronger partner, then perhaps Jillian could have gotten in with Kenny's alliance since she voted the way Kenny wanted. That may have been the logic behind Jillian's thinking - take out one of the top dogs and get on good terms with the other. But then again, who knows if that would have been enough for Kenny to agree to look out for her and Pete.[/QUOTE] Believe it or not, Kenny and Jill are actually friends. There is an interview from Kenny posted on his forum thingy, he talks about the girls in the house and he talks really good about Jill.

[QUOTE=morris614;168988]Believe it or not, Kenny and Jill are actually friends. There is an interview from Kenny posted on his forum thingy, he talks about the girls in the house and he talks really good about Jill.[/QUOTE] That's interesting. Yeah, I don't really think there is really anyone from the challenges that dislikes Jill. She is one of the few tolerable, normal, and human castmembers lol. The only reason she tends to be unpopular with the castmembers is b/c they like to throw her in either due to the fact that she is at the bottom of the food chain, or to take out someone for one reason or another, but it's never anything personal with her.

Man, the people that are commenting on that Dailies clip of Katelynn vs. Ryan & Sarah are so ignorant! They pretty much believe Katelynn is the bad person and the one who launched a dagger into Sarah's back and threw her under the bus, when in fact it was Sarah that took a shot at Katelynn the first chance she could! And it's not the viewers fault that they are oblivious to the situation, it's the dang MTV editing. Thanks to Katelynn for all the cool insight to put everything into perspective. Also re: that dailies clip - Who does Ryan think he is? I had absolutely no problem with him on this challenge (or any other one for that matter) until I saw him in this clip. He needs to get off his high horse telling people what they need to change about themselves, especially when what he is criticizing them for applies to him as well. He thinks Katelynn is just an attention seeker and fake the way she makes her sexuality well known and does lap dances and the way she talks etc. 1.) How can you criticize her for that? She is just being herself, and she is young and just having fun however she wants. 2.) You do the same thing Ryan! Hello, you make out with numerous guys and girls whenever you want, in hot tubs or naked in showers, put on makeup, dress in ridiculous outfits, etc. Whether it's for attention/camera time, or it's just you being yourself and your way of having fun -- whatever the case, it makes you a hypocrite so get off that pedestal.

[QUOTE=Overit90;168999]Man, the people that are commenting on that Dailies clip of Katelynn vs. Ryan & Sarah are so ignorant! [/QUOTE] Yeah, that's how it goes. Almost makes you wonder how many other times editing made you think something that was totally off? [QUOTE]Also re: that dailies clip - Who does Ryan think he is? I had absolutely no problem with him on this challenge (or any other one for that matter) until I saw him in this clip. He needs to get off his high horse telling people what they need to change about themselves, especially when what he is criticizing them for applies to him as well. He thinks Katelynn is just an attention seeker and fake the way she makes her sexuality well known and does lap dances and the way she talks etc. [/QUOTE] Was he annoyed at her for attention-seeking, or making people uncomfortable? Katelynn told us that Ryan was sent as an emissary from the Kenny Crew to get to her, but did he really believe what he was saying, about how she made every guy in the house uncomfortable? That's what I want to know. Because if that's the case, then he had a right to talk to her about it, just as she had a right to choose to not accept his advice. What was screwed up as HELL is how he did it in front of EVERYONE.