The Challenge: Rivals - Ratings

[QUOTE=Bacchus;254877]Don't get me started... Anyway, I do see a few trends that are not readily available to the general public and there seems to be a good amount of search interest in the encore showings. I think that can be translated roughly, into viewers and hopefully those viewers show up for the episode Wednesday night and kick the A18-49 up a couple ticks.[/QUOTE] It'd be nice if they picked up at least 1 more season to give time for that new law to go into effect that will let the government shutdown/block file-hosting sites to see if that helps any. MTV's prime demographic and the users of those pirate host sites are probably directly related in age.

June 24, 2011 - 1:08am

(Reply to #33) #34

Vital

These ratings are definitely good. I'm pleasantly surprised. They are on par with Back to Vegas 2 ratings, and RW got renewed for two more seasons. I think these short renewals will continue to happen for both series until the ratings hit rock bottom. Back to Vegas 2 averaged 2.067 million viewers and a 1.2 rating in the 18-49 demographic. This doesn't count the the reunion or S#!t They Should Have Shown. I'm definitely optimistic that the series will get a two season renewal, so they'll have a place to ship off rookies fresh off RW. I remember a poster a few weeks ago saying that as long as RW is around, so will the challenges. After seeing these ratings, I believe that will be the case. :biggrin:

June 24, 2011 - 6:19am

(Reply to #34) #35

[QUOTE=Bacchus;254862]I'm going to go against the gloom and doom prognostication here and predict they[B] build an audience over the next few weeks [/B]and tip the scales for a limited renewal.[/QUOTE] The Ep1 live + 1st 24hr dvr numbers will likely take the show over 2.0M. If episodes two and three can grow the audience by 10% (2.2M), then I think MTV can make a case to the MTV Networks bosses that it has an audience to be exploited. Given the terrible reaction of critics to Jersey Shore's Italy experience, having good challenges numbers to throw into a press release about a contract extension (limited renewal as B suggests), would give critics something decent to comment on.

June 24, 2011 - 9:59am

(Reply to #35) #36

mikeav7x

I'm not sure if Rivals was the last on the contract, or if there is one more, but if Rivals is the last one, I think we can feel better about the renewal for two reasons.... 1) Derek McCray (RR: VR) posted on Facebook a few months ago how he got a call from MTV and it looks like his summer will be more interesting (sorry for no photo, too lazy to go back months into his profile) 2) A few weeks ago, Vinny posted a photo of himself shirtless in the mirror to show how he was training. The original caption was "Challenge time" but was quickly changed to "summer summer summer time"

June 24, 2011 - 10:59am

(Reply to #36) #37

gamer73

[QUOTE=mikeav7x;255020]I'm not sure if Rivals was the last on the contract, or if there is one more, but if Rivals is the last one, I think we can feel better about the renewal for two reasons.... 1) Derek McCray (RR: VR) posted on Facebook a few months ago how he got a call from MTV and it looks like his summer will be more interesting (sorry for no photo, too lazy to go back months into his profile) 2) A few weeks ago, Vinny posted a photo of himself shirtless in the mirror to show how he was training. The original caption was "Challenge time" but was quickly changed to "summer summer summer time"[/QUOTE] I doubt that invites have been sent out already.

June 24, 2011 - 11:06am

(Reply to #37) #38

June 24, 2011 - 1:22pm

(Reply to #38) #39

skizzo

I might be wrong, but its not how many millions watch, but the 18-49 rating which is where the advert market is - that's what brings money to MTV. I think we should keep an eye on that one. I think overall, it was a good debut.

June 24, 2011 - 5:46pm

(Reply to #39) #40

[QUOTE=skizzo;255069]I might be wrong, but its not how many millions watch, but the 18-49 rating which is where the advert market is - that's what brings money to MTV. I think we should keep an eye on that one. I think overall, it was a good debut.[/QUOTE] You are more right than wrong... but overall numbers are import to MTV because it tells them who they are retaining. There are several threads here about ratings with some great tutorials from a couple of people who work in TV advertising. MTV went through a phase a while ago in their press releases extolling their #1 rating for either a challenge or RW (I've forgotten which) in the 13 + demo. 18-49 includes a large group outside MTV's prime demographic. If it were inside the demo, they would be heavily recruiting Old School cast members to appeal to the older demo (35-49). The 18-34 traunch is where one routinely used to find the challenges and RW episodes in the top 10. You can search online at [url=http://www.medialifemagazine.com]Media Life Magazine[/url] to find the ratings history of most any RW or challenge, by name. Just about every Wednesday they publish the top ratings for the previous week. Media Life is read by the Advertising industry and advertisers. BTW, the top of the 18-49 group was originally seen by the MTV Networks executives as the feeding ground for VH-1. MTV was to be CBS' (now Viacom's) home for teens who would then "graduate" to VH-1. Unfortunately, the proliferation of other networks like WE, OXYGEN, Lifetime, BRAVO, etc, made their own attractive reality shows which competed very well against VH-1.

June 24, 2011 - 5:55pm

(Reply to #40) #41

Blue123

I hope the ratings don't drop because Adam R got kicked off, as stupid as it may sound he seems to have many people tune in just to see him. On his Fb page there was all these people saying "I was only watching because of you, so I am not watching anymore bla bla". I don't get why people find him interesting, there are way better people on the show than that retard.

June 24, 2011 - 6:03pm

(Reply to #41) #42

[QUOTE=V1man;255117]>>>BTW, the top of the 18-49 group was originally seen by the MTV Networks executives as the feeding ground for VH-1. MTV was to be CBS' (now Viacom's) home for teens who would then "graduate" to VH-1. Unfortunately, the proliferation of other networks like WE, OXYGEN, Lifetime, BRAVO, etc, made their own attractive reality shows which competed very well against VH-1.[/QUOTE] Really? That is just surprising considering VH1 has such horrible shows. I am not sure why any adult would consider that network a step up in TV watching. They used to have some good ones, but not anymore that I ever see on there.

June 24, 2011 - 7:32pm

(Reply to #42) #43

mikeav7x

[QUOTE=Blue123;255122]I hope the ratings don't drop because Adam R got kicked off, as stupid as it may sound he seems to have many people tune in just to see him. On his Fb page there was all these people saying "I was only watching because of you, so I am not watching anymore bla bla". I don't get why people find him interesting, there are way better people on the show than that retard.[/QUOTE] although a few might be serious, most people that say that are just looking for a retweet

June 24, 2011 - 7:47pm

(Reply to #43) #44

[QUOTE=CrazyHorse;255124]Really? That is just surprising considering VH1 has such horrible shows. I am not sure why any adult would consider that network a step up in TV watching. They used to have some good ones, but not anymore that I ever see on there.[/QUOTE] Well obviously I was writing in the historical context of when VH-1 was created. You know the place is on hard times when Bret Michaels' latest show only pulls 326,000 people.

June 24, 2011 - 7:53pm

(Reply to #44) #45

cystic

[QUOTE=Blue123;255122] I don't get why people find him interesting, there are way better people on the show than that retard.[/QUOTE] :yess:

June 24, 2011 - 10:06pm

(Reply to #45) #46

[QUOTE=cystic;255145]:yess:[/QUOTE] LOL. What's the old adage--Front page pictures of car wrecks sell a lot of newspapers.... so it may be related a phenomenon.

June 25, 2011 - 10:26am

(Reply to #46) #47

cryssy19

[QUOTE=V1man;255142]Well obviously I was writing in the historical context of when VH-1 was created. You know the place is on hard times when Bret Michaels' latest show only pulls 326,000 people.[/QUOTE] Wow... that's... kinda pathetic, I feel bad for him, but I mean, people are tired of seeing him, there's only so much you can bear.

June 26, 2011 - 3:57pm

(Reply to #47) #48

I can see the ratings dip on female elimination episodes. Hopefully they won't though.

June 26, 2011 - 4:20pm

(Reply to #48) #49

[QUOTE=Maestro;255521]I can see the ratings dip on female elimination episodes. Hopefully they won't though.[/QUOTE] Are you suggesting viewers are sexist or do you have some other explanation. :to_pick_ones_nose:

June 26, 2011 - 4:42pm

(Reply to #49) #50

[QUOTE=V1man;255524]Are you suggesting viewers are sexist or do you have some other explanation. :to_pick_ones_nose:[/QUOTE] Just a theory of mine. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

June 26, 2011 - 4:49pm

(Reply to #50) #51

[QUOTE=Maestro;255530]Just a theory of mine. I guess we'll have to wait and see.[/QUOTE] I agree with that. Its like girls sports do worse than boys sports on TV or at drawing a crowd (yes, before I get pounced on the 100th time this week I know there are exceptions and places where girls sports do better)

June 26, 2011 - 4:52pm

(Reply to #51) #52

[QUOTE=Maestro;255530]Just a theory of mine. I guess we'll have to wait and see.[/QUOTE] OK, I was just curious if you had done some demographic stratification research or if it was simply a WAG. "Theory" seems to fit the latter category, which is OK with me... An worthy hypothesis for consideration might be: Gender and sexual orientation affect viewing habits. [LIST] [*]More age 18 - 34 women than men watch MTV (and the Challenges). [*]The greatest percentage of women viewers are straight. [*]A larger percentage of male viewers are gay when compared to a similar viewer group of women. [*]Straight women and gay men, as a demographic stratification, may be inclinded to view the male elimination episodes than the others... [/LIST]

June 26, 2011 - 5:04pm

(Reply to #52) #53

[QUOTE=V1man;255537]OK, I was just curious if you had done some demographic stratification research or if it was simply a WAG. "Theory" seems to fit the latter category, which is OK with me... An worthy hypothesis for consideration might be: Gender and sexual orientation affect viewing habits. [LIST] [*]More age 18 - 34 women than men watch MTV (and the Challenges). [*]The greatest percentage of women viewers are straight. [*]A larger percentage of male viewers are gay when compared to a similar viewer group of women. [*]Straight women and gay men, as a demographic stratification, may be inclinded to view the male elimination episodes than the others... [/LIST][/QUOTE] Hmmm interesting. I guess I was under the wrong impression lol.

June 26, 2011 - 5:12pm

(Reply to #53) #54

SkylarGuy23

I feel men's weeks may be higher because that's where the drama is these days. I feel the inferno 1 was all about Katie vs Veronica, and Coral vs Julie. I feel guys weeks could have been lower then... but maybe I'm wrong.

June 26, 2011 - 5:29pm

(Reply to #54) #55

[QUOTE=SkylarGuy23;255543][B]I feel men's weeks may be higher because that's where the drama is these days.[/B] I feel the inferno 1 was all about Katie vs Veronica, and Coral vs Julie. I feel guys weeks could have been lower then... but maybe I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] That was the crux of my theory until I saw the info that v1man posted above.

June 26, 2011 - 6:33pm

(Reply to #55) #56