I wonder if we will ever know.
So many cases go public then settle out of court and the settlement remains confidential and case details are not disclosed.
I would not ever wish this on anyone privately let alone publicly.
And no matter which person you name in this, people have already decided their guilt, innocence, mental stability, motivations, etc.
Judging by what we see on the TV footage there are a lot of people capable of bad things and some of that has even been filmed and aired. No one has come out looking angelic yet.
[QUOTE=brunett;284889]a commenter said something interesting in this video: [I]It's something about Kenny and Evan that makes me think that they're the type of guys that would **** a girl while she's passed out drunk. They just make the atmosphere uncomfortable.[/I]
[URL="http://www.challengedailies.com/Video/I-Dont-Want-to-be-Naked/0A4E2FFFF0183BC5C001B00D3C68A?ref_title=Ruins_All_Videos&ref_url=http://www.challengedailies.com/VideoResults%3fcategory%3d37334&ref_category=37334"]Challenge Dailies | Video | I Don't Want to be Naked[/URL][/QUOTE]
I know I remember watching that daily and seeing that comment, the dailies make the challenge look so raunchy, there's another one of them daring KA and Casey to act out ************ *** positions, and these girls go along with it though, but geez don't they realize these are perverted guys watching them degrade themselves for entertainment but whatever reality tv people can get very wild.
I wrote this in another thread in July before this lawsuit had even come to light:
"What rules does the show have about kicking someone off the show. Is punching someone in the face the only way to get kicked off the show?
On the Island Johnny's behavior towards the other cast members was beyond absurd. Even if he wasn't punching people in the face, his behavior seemed abusive, or outside the bounds of acceptable behavior. I don't even know what term to use to describe it.
And if someone is kicked off, why bring them back in future seasons? Are they going to keep bringing CT back until he kills someone on camera? I know it is a game show, and entertainment, but at some point someone needs to intervene and protect people. I think in some ways, Johnny's behavior is even more unacceptable than CT's!
Can someone "in the know" tell me what the rules are? I know Vh1 had that one show they cancelled, because a contestant killed his ex-girlfriend. Is the Challenge going to keep inviting back people like Johnny and CT until a serious incident happens? It's amazing one hasn't happened already! Although i think most people would deem the adam CT fight to be a pretty serious incident.
It seems pretty irresponsible what the show is doing."
Her lawsuit isn't only about the toothbrush assault. It is also about the environment BMP continues to foster on these shows, and the other harassment that is allowed and encouraged. Much of that harassment has already been shown on TV, and is impossible to deny
[QUOTE=Browncow;284885]Online says the alleged incident happened 9 days into filming and that the Veronica fight happened the next day and Tonya was sent home.
Her claim says she found out later, after filming, what happened. But had noted abrasions and soreness and associated those with the challenge.
I don't think the Veronica fight was about this alleged incident. Why would Tonya have slapped Veronica and been hysterical if she didn't know yet? She would have been like what are you talking about, what happened last night ? I think Veronica attacked over personal stuff that was considered over the line to other cast mates and they defended T, similar to when Laurel used Paula's anorexia as fodder.
If so it means V and others knew the day after and were already callously attacking T over it, that MTV elected not to edit the fight differently to cover it's vague mention up, and that Evan and Kenny already knew something was up before Tonya did. If T had known already, no way she'd let them console her.[/QUOTE]
Ugh.
Not to be too gross... but abrasions and soreness?
On the one hand... I'm imaging these guys prodding and tickling a passed out drunken Tonya with a toothbrush, then taking it too far and doing something wrong.
But "abrasions and soreness" implies something different - something really, really wrong.
And I find it hard to believe "that" happened... so I'm guessing that realization is more a result of some prodding by a lawyer, etc..
[QUOTE=Blue123;284894]I know I remember watching that daily and seeing that comment, the dailies make the challenge look so raunchy, theres another one of them daring KA and casey to act out ************ *** positions, and these girls go along with it though, but gees dont they realize these are perverted guys watching them degrade themselves but whatever reality tv people can get very wild.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if that commenter knew something we didn't.
because honestly, when I first watched it like a year ago, it looked like they were just having fun, ya know? and when I read that comment I was like "nah...they're just messing around."
so now I wonder why the commenter would say that. because it does look kind of harmless from the outside, no?
[QUOTE=danw34;284891]If this one incident was isolated, It would not bother me so much that BMP continued to work with Evan and Kenny and other contestants. But, as people have mentioned earlier in the thread, other incidents involving Kenny, Evan, Johnny and others harassing and bullying other contestants are part of a pattern of behavior. They are on TV pulling the bathing suits off female contestants. On the Island Johnny created a hostile environment for the female contestants, calling many of them *****es without any provocation, suggesting they should be on medications, trying to take away food from contestants he didn't like and give their portions to contestants he did.
BMP continued to invite the bullies back season after season. Look at all the incidents CT and Jenn have been involved in, and they seem to be BMP favorites. Part of Tonya's complaint is that BPM created an unsafe environment where bullying and harassment were encouraged and rewarded. If you watch how the challenges have evolved over the years, and look at the contestants that are invited back every season, you can't deny the truth of this claim.
It got to the point this past season, where BMP invited back contestants who had a history of fighting one another, and paired them together for maximum drama. Why invite Adam Royer, when BMP knows he is a danger to himself, other contestants, and the property he will inevitably destroy. Are they going to continue filming CT, up until the point where he kills someone on camera. This past season of Rivals almost all the TV time was spent on contrived arguments and backstage drama. Almost no airtime was devoted to the actual challenges.[/quote]
Does BMP actually cares about the welfare of its "employees" though? You said it yourself; they continue to invite back bullies and people who are dangers to themselves because they know it will create camera footage. They knew what happened with CT's brother and invited him on the Duel 2 anyway and that obviously didn't turn out well. Add alcohol to any situation and you potentially have a lethal combination.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I do agree that there is an obvious pattern of behavior that, over time, has been rewarded by multiple agreements for future challenges and additional work beyond that of the Challenges. Evan literally makes a living off his Challenge winnings and the appearance fees that accompany it. He has no job. If he is indeed found guilty of these allegations, he could be completely ****ed.
[quote][B]An incident like this was bound to happen because of the environment BMP and MTV were creating on the show[/B]. If you ignore this latest alleged incident and assume Evan and Kenny are innocent until proven guilty, that does not absolve them of responsibility for all the other harassment and bullying they have been involved in, on camera, over the years.[/QUOTE]
This I do not disagree with. It was only a matter of time. People do stupid **** when they're drunk. ****, people do stupid **** when they're sober.
It's gotten to the point where the harassment has spilled outside the show. Johnny, Kenny, and Evan have been going on Derrick's podcastt defaming and harassing Evelyn. Yet they continue to appear on every new season. It would be easy for BMP to tell them that they won't be on new seasons it they continue to harass Evelyn. But we all know that Johnny, Kenny, and Evan are BMP's golden boys and can do no wrong in their eyes.
[QUOTE=molds13;284898] Evan literally makes a living off his Challenge winnings and the appearance fees that accompany it. He has no job. .[/QUOTE]
He recently became the host for a show called The Love Trap, it airs in Canada I believe.
here is the part of mtv contract - basically they are selling their life to a devil! It's kinda sick!!
[url=http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/mtv-real-world-contract-leaked-humiliation-breakdowns-aids-2821873.html]MTV Real World Contract Leaked: Humiliation, Breakdowns, AIDS | NowPublic News Coverage[/url]
Did anyone else read the document? I don't blame Bunim-Murray for going to court. I think they'll be fine. It sounds like Tonya's mad at the world. She notes that crazier actions get more camera time and thus more opportunities off the show.... true of any reality show and something she's bought into for years. Mostly it sounds like she's complaining in legalese that Kenny and Evan are more successful than her. She mentions that it was a different male castmember who removed her top but doesn't name that individual. The plunger also gets a mention which has nothing to do with her. Wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear anything from Katie because a plunger incident makes Tonya's crazy list of complaints. A lot of it echoes what the other castmembers have been saying about BM giving them less freedom and worse living conditions.
The complaint that's all over the news is barely mentioned and seems a lot tamer than people are saying. Still say it sucks for Kenny and Evan who are now rapists based on a has-been being mad at the world. Anyone else want to read and share thoughts?
I remember watching the ruins and there was a big gap in the story line. Something big was being refered to and it wasn't shown. I thought it was strange that they didn't show it and almost felt like I must have missed an episode. If this really did happen then I don't think the whole cast is going to perjure themself and deny it. Isn't this the challenge that Ev quit? I hope this case starts to be discussed by the news. I would be interesting to hear Nancy Grace discuss it :)
I agree Ruins were the one of the worst along with Island and Johnny's bullying of Ev and rest of the girls...I still can't forget how Kenny verbally abused Sarah. It was to uncomfortable to even watch...I just can't believe someone at this age can behave like some high school bully. It's disgusting, and they put these people on TV and give them money??
I hated JEk back then...but from that challenge you can see they changed their behavior - it is kind of odd.
[QUOTE=Christiane;284912]I agree Ruins were the one of the worst along with Island and Johnny's bullying of Ev and rest of the girls...I still can't forget how Kenny verbally abused Sarah. It was to uncomfortable to even watch...I just can't believe someone at this age can behave like some high school bully. It's disgusting, and they put these people on TV and give them money??
I hated JEk back then...but from that challenge you can see they changed their behavior - it is kind of odd.[/QUOTE]
JEK were a lot different on Rivals than they were on The Ruins. It probably had to do with this lawsuit and wanting to portray them in a positive light.
Do you guys they're gonna air the next season? The cast members are supposed to be leaving on Nov. 1st.
Personally I think they're gonna have the next season air soon. Not to sound cold, but any press is good press and I feel like because of this scandal a LOT of new viewers are gonna tune in. I doubt that JEK will be on it though.
[QUOTE=bloop747;284914]Do you guys they're gonna air the next season? The cast members are supposed to be leaving on Nov. 1st.
Personally I think they're gonna have the next season air soon. Not to sound cold, but any press is good press and I feel like because of this scandal a LOT of new viewers are gonna tune in. I doubt that JEK will be on it though.[/QUOTE]
Johnny was not accused of anything so he will probably still be on it. He has practically stated that he is going to be on the next season. I would assume that they are going to air the next season. If they don't they are acting way too guilty.
All this stuff just reminds me of how a lot of mtv's shows allow bullying...they just sit back and let things happen...just to make good tv. I barely watched it anymore because they don't play music often...it became RTV...reality tv not music tv. (a little ot)
BMP call her claim baseless...I don't know...we'll see. I hope if it did happen Tonya doesn't get discouraged because of her feeling like its her v. everybody.
[QUOTE=Camille;284916]what did Melinda say?[/QUOTE]She said she thought the entire article about Tonya was a crackup. A couple people got on her case saying that rape isn't a laughing matter and then she tried to backtrack saying she never specified exactly what she was laughing at. Basically ran off with her tail between her legs when she realized the general public was not finding anything funny about the topic.
One guy said the only thing that was funny was her "strictly for tv" marriage.....she didn't seem to like that comment. HAHA. But yeah, other than that she's pretty much shut up completely about it since people got on her case.
[QUOTE=suz84;284920]All this stuff just reminds me of how a lot of mtv's shows allow bullying...they just sit back and let things happen...just to make good tv. [/QUOTE]Completely agree! And even before this all came to light I even felt uncomfortable with certain things that were aired mainly with Johnny's treatment of Evelyn on The Island and the treatment of Tonya on The Ruins. Both instances seemed to be taken WAY too far and the bullying and just pure maliciousness was just too much. I still cringe when I think about Johnny just screaming in Evelyn's face "you dumb *****". Gross. MTV does do a ton to help causes like homosexual youth and acceptance but you can't deny they are fine sitting back and watching someone get ripped to shreds if it makes, what they consider, good tv.
[QUOTE=bloop747;284924]When did he "practically confirm" it? I just checked his Twitter and didn't see anything :\ and don't they get in trouble for leaking info?[/QUOTE]
Not the place for this discussion. Try checking the open thread.
[QUOTE=suz84;284920]All this stuff just reminds me of how a lot of mtv's shows allow bullying...they just sit back and let things happen...just to make good tv. I barely watched it anymore because they don't play music often...it became RTV...reality tv not music tv. (a little ot)
[B]BMP call her claim baseless...I don't know...we'll see. I hope if it did happen Tonya doesn't get discouraged because of her feeling like its her v. everybody[/B].[/QUOTE]
"Baseless" may not be a denial of the events but a denial that there is a basis in law for suing them. I have long suspected that the reason all the Challenges and none of the recent RW's have been overseas is for legal liability reasons in case something happens. I think she is going to have a tough time placing herself as an employee and not a contractor, but I'm rooting for her.
Edit: BTW, if you looked at all the forms at the end of the lawsuit you would see that they estimate the trial to last something like 6 or 7 to 12 days so they must have some evidence.
[QUOTE=Svuroo;284905]Did anyone else read the document? I don't blame Bunim-Murray for going to court. I think they'll be fine. It sounds like Tonya's mad at the world. She notes that crazier actions get more camera time and thus more opportunities off the show.... true of any reality show and something she's bought into for years. Mostly it sounds like she's complaining in legalese that Kenny and Evan are more successful than her. She mentions that it was a different male castmember who removed her top but doesn't name that individual. The plunger also gets a mention which has nothing to do with her. Wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear anything from Katie because a plunger incident makes Tonya's crazy list of complaints. A lot of it echoes what the other castmembers have been saying about BM giving them less freedom and worse living conditions.
The complaint that's all over the news is barely mentioned and seems a lot tamer than people are saying. Still say it sucks for Kenny and Evan who are now rapists based on a has-been being mad at the world. Anyone else want to read and share thoughts?[/QUOTE]
Okay I'm sorry but this is just really silly to me. You think Tonya cares about who is more famous? This matter is way more serious than who is more famous than the other. If Tonya really cared about fame then she would have kept her mouth shut and continues on with these challenges for as long as she could to keep herself on TV. Tonya has also been doing challenges a lot longer than Evan and Kenny have, I really dont think she gives 2 ****s about who is more popular. Plus who is really"famous" anyway, they are reality stars!
Also I seriously doubt you were there during filming so I'm sure that you dont know the full story of the plunger incident, yes they showed Katie going crazy over the plunger but Katie and Tonya were eliminated from the Ruins around the same time so the "plunger" incident could very well have happend to Tonya as well. I mean obviously you are an Evan and Kenny supporter, which is fine, but I'm just wondering if she wins her case against them what the Kenny and Evan supporters will say.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;284959]Okay I'm sorry but this is just really silly to me. You think Tonya cares about who is more famous? This matter is way more serious than who is more famous than the other. If Tonya really cared about fame then she would have kept her mouth shut and continues on with these challenges for as long as she could to keep herself on TV. Tonya has also been doing challenges a lot longer than Evan and Kenny have, I really dont think she gives 2 ****s about who is more popular. Plus who is really"famous" anyway, they are reality stars!
Also I seriously doubt you were there during filming so I'm sure that you dont know the full story of the plunger incident, yes they showed Katie going crazy over the plunger but Katie and Tonya were eliminated from the Ruins around the same time so the "plunger" incident could very well have happend to Tonya as well. I mean obviously you are an Evan and Kenny supporter, which is fine, but I'm just wondering if she wins her case against them what the Kenny and Evan supporters will say.[/QUOTE]
Read it. It's the basis for punitive damages.
And I'm not supporting anyone. I'm just saying the media got this document and are just repeating a very small part of it. Obviously you're going to get more hits over something that has rape in the title than "Former Reality TV Contestant Sues for Wrongful Termination".
Tonya is more famous then those 3 she was on the highest rated RW did other reality shows and she may not be as relvant as those 3 but more people know about Tonya.
Tonya is trying to cash in off of MTV, Kenny, and Evan. Once all said and done, nobody is going to like Tonya any more. There is a possibility we won't have any more shows of the Real World or challenges now.
[QUOTE=blackinwhite;284968]Tonya is trying to cash in off of MTV, Kenny, and Evan. [B]Once all said and done, nobody is going to like Tonya any more[/B]. There is a possibility we won't have any more shows of the Real World or challenges now.[/QUOTE]
Nobody is going to like her anymore because she got raped? WOW!
I'd think more people would respect her for being brave and coming forward with it and standing up to 2 *******s that think they can get by with whatever they want. Even if people didnt like her before, if this did happen to her and people dislike her because of it then thats on their character. And its pretty sad of anybody to think that way.
I think rape is a much bigger issue than whether MTV renews The Real World or not. Sooo immature.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;284970]Nobody is going to like her anymore because she got raped? WOW!
I'd think more people would respect her for being brave and coming forward with it and standing up to 2 *******s that think they can get by with whatever they want. Even if people didnt like her before, if this did happen to her and people dislike her because of it then thats on their character. And its pretty sad of anybody to think that way.
I think rape is a much bigger issue than whether MTV renews The Real World or not. Sooo immature.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. Plus I don't like this whole negative Nancy outlook on the challenges being cancelled. Who knows what will happen...
[QUOTE=blackinwhite;284968]Tonya is trying to cash in off of MTV, Kenny, and Evan. Once all said and done, nobody is going to like Tonya any more. [B]There is a possibility we won't have any more shows of the Real World or challenges now.[/B][/QUOTE]
If this turns out to be true then i would not mind them canceling both shows.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;284970]Nobody is going to like her anymore because she got raped? WOW!
I'd think more people would respect her for being brave and coming forward with it and standing up to 2 *******s that think they can get by with whatever they want. Even if people didnt like her before, if this did happen to her and people dislike her because of it then thats on their character. And its pretty sad of anybody to think that way.
I think rape is a much bigger issue than whether MTV renews The Real World or not. Sooo immature.[/QUOTE]
I am sure no matter what the result MTV/BMP will find a way to exploit it to their advantage. I do respect Tonya and think it is brave to come forward especially knowing how cruel the other side is generally in their dealings with her even before this.
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