[QUOTE=Sloan;285596]I've been thinking about this and it seems pretty easy to prove whether it happened or not...BMP films EVERYTHING 24/7. There are production people everywhere, and where there aren't production people there are cameras set up (in bedrooms, etc). [/QUOTE]
For "filming EVERYTHING 24/7", they've still missed quite a few events: namely, numerous hookups I've heard of that apparently happened "off-camera", and CT punching Davis.
I think that if BMP comes up with "We don't have any tapes because it didn't happen" and Tonya gives some evidence it was being taped (witnesses) then BMP would end up having to prove it didn't happen as opposed to her proving it did which would then be very hard to do without tapes. My guess is her lawyers will go after everything for the whole season to prove the hostile toward women stuff plus to look for conversations they can use to attack BMP witnesses (i.e. Evan and Kenny). I read somewhere that sometimes Courts appoint special people to broker all these evidence issues outside of the courtroom so that might happen here with 1000's of hours of video and audio tapes (don't forget they record sound separately).
[QUOTE=molds13;285603]For "filming EVERYTHING 24/7", they've still missed quite a few events: namely, numerous hookups I've heard of that apparently happened "off-camera", and CT punching Davis.[/QUOTE]
I was under the assumption that camera's just didn't catch it. Although for being a show that prides themselves on filming EVERYTHING 24/7, I'm surprised they missed a lot of events that were big storylines: Ayanna hitting Christian, Piggy supposedly hitting Los, a kiss between Coral and Abram was never shown, Veronica being "evil" to Christina, Genesis, Anne, or Emily, Ct punching Davis, Shauvon and Ct's hookup, etc.
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;285618]I was under the assumption that camera's just didn't catch it. Although for being a show that prides themselves on filming EVERYTHING 24/7, I'm surprised they missed a lot of events that were big storylines: Ayanna hitting Christian, Piggy supposedly hitting Los, a kiss between Coral and Abram was never shown, Veronica being "evil" to Christina, Genesis, Anne, or Emily, Ct punching Davis, Shauvon and Ct's hookup, etc.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget the biggest moment they missed: JEK throwing naked Adam into the bathroom while Theresa was taking a ****.
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;285618]I was under the assumption that camera's just didn't catch it. Although for being a show that prides themselves on filming EVERYTHING 24/7, I'm surprised they missed a lot of events that were big storylines: Ayanna hitting Christian, Piggy supposedly hitting Los, a kiss between Coral and Abram was never shown, Veronica being "evil" to Christina, Genesis, Anne, or Emily, Ct punching Davis, Shauvon and Ct's hookup, etc.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. It would be impossible to catch everything. Therefore, this case isn't going to be easy to prove (as Sloan said) and can't be proven based on the assumption that they have it on tape. There is a good likelihood that it wasn't caught on tape and that it was only witnessed by other cast members.
[QUOTE=molds13;285603]For "filming EVERYTHING 24/7", they've still missed quite a few events: namely, numerous hookups I've heard of that apparently happened "off-camera", and CT punching Davis.[/QUOTE]
True, they also missed fights that occurred on previous challenges like the one between Katie and Susie on the Gauntlet 2. Keep in mind they don't film on Saturday's and lots happen then since the cast know camera's aren't rolling.
Someone had brought up the rape case in the San Diego season, and while the actual case is off-topic, the police telephonic search warrant reveals some relevant info about how filming is done:
A producer explained to the investigating officer what Real World is and said:
[QUOTE]...the building contained approximately 30 cameras mounted throughout the residence. These cameras cover the entire residence except for two bathrooms. These cameras are monitored by a staff member 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and enable the on-duty director to monitor the activity within the residence. At the director's discretion, he or she could record the activity from the surveillance cameras or dispatch a film crew to document the activity with hand-held cameras.[/QUOTE]
Interesting to think about how this would work in Tonya's case. I guess there are cameras that are monitoring the entire house 24/7, but they aren't actually recording unless the on-duty director chooses to record some activity they see. Maybe they didn't record whatever happened with EK...but you'd think cameras would constantly be recording those dudes due to their weird pranks, and that the on-duty director would choose to record whatever happened with Tonya at least up until the actual assault (if it happened). If it did happen, it probably looked like a stupid prank at the beginning..."Oh, Evan and Kenny are gonna do something goofy with so-and-so's toothbrush, we gotta get this" and then devolved into whatever happened..."Oh ****, should we record this?"
I dunno. Just interesting to know how the filming works. Also of note...in the San Diego rape case, the producer interviewed by cops was aware that a sexual assault had probably taken place and even told the investigating officer he believed it had happened...but he said he hadn't reviewed the footage. The actual quote from the warrant...
[QUOTE]Lee told me he had not personally viewed the footage from the night of the assault but that after talking with several cast members on November 15th, 2003, he believed that the victim might have been sexually assaulted in one of those two bathrooms.[/QUOTE]
What?! You believe a sexual assault might've taken place but you didn't think it would be important to maybe take a look at footage from the night in question?!
Also of note, a BMP lawyer got involved and refused to cooperate with further investigation, which prompted this telephonic warrant in the first place.
Shady, shady.
Edited to add: There was also an apparent producer who witnessed the alleged rapist come out of the bathroom while the victim was naked on the floor and he said "I just hit that". The producer then dressed the victim, moved her to a couch, and then he and Jamie Chung moved her to a guest bedroom for the night. It was Chung who notified the victim of the possible assault, and the cast and production team left for a cast trip to Mexico the next day as scheduled. Kinda tells you something about how apathetic the producers might be to such things. It was the victim herself who contacted the police.
[QUOTE=Sloan;285596]I've been thinking about this and it seems pretty easy to prove whether it happened or not...BMP films EVERYTHING 24/7. There are production people everywhere, and where there aren't production people there are cameras set up (in bedrooms, etc).
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Yeah as people have mentioned, dont they get Saturday's off? As in no cameras around? Not sure if the surveillance cameras stay on though and And if some one was going to do something like this they would probably not be stupid enough to do it in front of a camera did she said cameras were rolling? Or just that production was around? But yeah I never realized how some of the fights werent on camera until you guys just mentioned it, they just showed Davis crying but we never saw CT hit him.
[QUOTE=Blue123;285644]Yeah as people have mentioned, dont they get Saturday's off? As in no cameras around? Not sure if the surveillance cameras stay on though and And if some one was going to do something like this they would probably not be stupid enough to do it in front of a camera did she said cameras were rolling? Or just that production was around? But yeah I never realized how some of the fights werent on camera until you guys just mentioned it, they just showed Davis crying but we never saw CT hit him.[/QUOTE]
I just said they get Saturday's off...
About the real world san diego rape accusations. It says on the wiki entry that the producer of real world refused to give the tapes to the police unless they reviewed them first. The police then got a search warrent, but I don't know if that means that they were able to take the tapes away before the producers reviewed them.
Unfortunately, since they do NOT actually tape every room 24/7, I think it would be quite easy for the producers to get their hands on the tapes first, delete the footage, and then claim it had never been there in the first place. It would not be suspect, because they could easily have footage from a different room at the same time the rape was supposed to take place, or they could just say nothing interesting happened in that hour or so. It would not necessarily appear like a gap or missing time at all. So, even if this did happen, and there was footage of it, I'd be very surprised if Tonya's lawyers can actually get their hands on it. It would be very easy to cover up. Evidence that's not as easy to cover up is eye witness testimony, and the footage that's already out there that shows the atmosphere and harassment in that challenge.
Tonya is full of ****...she's broke and alcoholic and delusional...it's clearly a means to get publicity or receive money. Why is this coming out now?? The Ruins was taped almost four years ago. There is no way she is gonna be able to prove it or win this case. It's clear that its everyone's word versus hers when she clearly lacks a lot of credibility.
[QUOTE=JTymon24;286751]Tanya is full of ****... shes broke an alcoholic and Delusional... its clearly a means to get publicity or receive money... Why is this coming out now?? The Ruins was taped almost four years ago... There is no way shes is gunna be able to prove it or Win this case. Its clear that its every1's word verses hers when she clearly lacks a lot of credibility[/QUOTE]
You clearly did not read any of the previous posts in this thread and I'll tell you how I know:
1. You can't even spell her name correctly, despite it being in the thread title.
2. You're passing judgment on someone and assuming things about them that aren't necessarily true.
3. Tonya filed for this over a year ago and it's only become official and known recently.
4. The Ruins was taped 2 and a half years ago, not 4.
5. Tonya supposedly has people defending her who were on The Ruins.
6. None of us know what really happened so saying she'll automatically lose and has no credibility is asinine.
So I know it has been said the people who will be defending Tonya arent coming out with it right away to the public for fear of MTV or The Challenges stance, but now that it has been awhile does anybody have any ideas who will be defending her?
I'm rewatching The Ruins right now and it appears to me based on some people's confessionals during the whole Evan/Kenny pick on Tonya segments, Syrus, Wes, Ibis, Katie, Kelly Anne, and Cohutta all spoke out about Kenny/Evan going overboard with their antics. I think it's a possibility that Kim, Casey and even Veronica may be in Tonya's corner since none of them had a good time on the Ruins and have yet to appear again.
[QUOTE=Megan2425;309821]What ever happened to this? Did Tonya go to court already?[/QUOTE]
Still going, as far as I know, but has not yet gone to trial.
[QUOTE=Megan2425;309821]What ever happened to this? Did Tonya go to court already?[/QUOTE]
It is an active case on the court docket and appears to be headed toward a trial date. In a couple of the most recent filings, the attorneys of record submitted to the court their availability dates/absences for a summer trial.
interesting. the article links to [URL="http://www.scribd.com/doc/109406646/Tonya-Cooley-seeks-the-testimony-of-Katie-Doyle"]court documents[/URL], too.
[url=http://www.examiner.com/article/was-katie-doyle-a-witness-to-the-alleged-sexual-assault-on-tonya-cooley]Was Katie Doyle a witness to the alleged sexual assault on Tonya Cooley?[/url]
Well obviously Katie has told Tonya she saw it, wonder why Katie doesn't want to testify if she saw it? My guess is that MTV has probably threatened her.
I wholeheartedly disagree about this. MTV would not threaten Katie over some as serious as a rape for the benefit of two knuckleheads like Kenny and company. I have harsher words too say but it sounded to much like Randy Meeks so I deleted it.
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;321550]I wholeheartedly disagree about this. MTV would not threaten Katie over some as serious as a rape for the benefit of two knuckleheads like Kenny and company.[/QUOTE]
Agreed
I have no idea what happened. I wouldn't be shocked if Kenny & Evan were guilty of what they're being accused of doing or if Tonya made the entire thing up.
At this point if there was any validity to Tonya's claim or even a chance she would win the case BMP or viacom would have definitely settled. They have other reality franchises to think about in addition to the challenges. If Tonya had any shot there would have been a sealed settlement by now. The fact that they have to try and force Katie to testify shows the weakness of the plaintiff's case. In addition the fact that Evan and Kenny still do work for MTV shows they must believe these claims are baseless and will not hold up in court.
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;321550]I wholeheartedly disagree about this. MTV would not threaten Katie over some as serious as a rape for the benefit of two knuckleheads like Kenny and company. I have harsher words too say but it sounded to much like Randy Meeks so I deleted it.[/QUOTE]
Well Tonya is suing MTV, and this is a serious issue...I'm sure they have covered up much worse so I can sure as hell see them threatening Katie or anybody that may want to/could testify for that matter.
If this rape thing is true, then why would Katie NOT want to testify? that is kinda ****ty of her. I mean Tonya was passed out, someone had to have told her what really happened to her for her to go as far as she has gone, and it is looking like that person might be Katie, so if it isnt true....then thats pretty ****ty of Katie as well.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;321626]Well Tonya is suing MTV, and this is a serious issue...I'm sure they have covered up much worse so I can sure as hell see them threatening Katie or anybody that may want to/could testify for that matter.
If this rape thing is true, then why would Katie NOT want to testify? that is kinda ****ty of her. I mean Tonya was passed out, someone had to have told her what really happened to her for her to go as far as she has gone, and it is looking like that person might be Katie, so if it isnt true....then thats pretty ****ty of Katie as well.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that MTV telling Katie that she could never do another challenge would be enough to make her not want to testify. She has a stable job and is close to finishing school, so she doesn't need challenges anymore. I know that her and Tonya were good friends at one point, Tonya even called her on Inferno 2 when the "mean girls" were harassing her, so I think there would have to be some very serious reason for her to not want to testify if she did indeed witness it.
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;321550]I wholeheartedly disagree about this. MTV would not threaten Katie over some as serious as a rape for the benefit of two knuckleheads like Kenny and company. I have harsher words too say but it sounded to much like Randy Meeks so I deleted it.[/QUOTE]
As much as I would like to agree with you, they would absolutely threaten her. They have a brand to protect, and having two of the franchise's golden boys sexually assaulting another cast member would not go over very well. MtV and BMP don't want the Challenge to go the way of I Love Money. They've got a lot on the line and ethics are the last thing they care about.
I think if Katie indeed did witness the sexual assault on Tonya she would have definitely testified on Tonya's behalf but since she won't testify leads me to believe that either Tonya is full of it or Katie just wants to stay out of it which doesn't sound like Katie.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;321630]As much as I would like to agree with you, they would absolutely threaten her. They have a brand to protect, and having two of the franchise's golden boys sexually assaulting another cast member would not go over very well. MtV and BMP don't want the Challenge to go the way of I Love Money. They've got a lot on the line and ethics are the last thing they care about.[/QUOTE]
A brand to protect? Are you joking right now. Nobody wants a Sandusky. And to believe that we have people here who think Tonya is full of it is just mindless. She did what 2 challenges in the last 5 years. Do we actually think she would absolutely sit there and lie?
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;321646]A brand to protect? Are you joking right now. Nobody wants a Sandusky. And to believe that we have people here who think Tonya is full of it is just mindless. She did what 2 challenges in the last 5 years. Do we actually think she would absolutely sit there and lie?[/QUOTE]
What part of that is at all ridiculous?
I absolutely do not think that Tonya is lying.
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