another note, I do think Rachel should have stolen Cara's star. I know they made a deal to protect each other, but honestly trying so hard to hold onto stars so early in the game is a wasted effort anyways. But if she wants to play that way, she'd have better odds of keeping her star if the other options were both Veronica AND Tina.
Yeah I don't see it as Rachel (and Cara for that matter) played scared as much as they're playing too defensive. "Target": isn't even the right word to use for the people with stars because people aren't necessarily throwing them into elimination; anyone who wins any elimination can steal a star, so unless you win every daily your star is always vulnerable. It's more about being in the right position toward the end of the game.
Right now, I see the house dynamics as Kamroy's side vs The mean girls side. The smarter players are sitting in the middle, not showing their hands, and giving one or two players just enough subtle support to not be collateral damage. It's kinda of crazy how some of these OGs let Kam come into the house and start running things. She's not even really politicking. She is just stating what she wants and people are giving it to her.
All of this.
Kefla must have divorce or baby mama drama because every parallel he was making was to some messy romantic situation lmao. So happy he is on this season. I forget how he does, and I hope he's in for awhile.
lol I thought the same thing. I was like why are you comparing everything to a one night stand. Kefla is a wild man
Wow! What a great episode! I didn't get bored and touch my phone once. An OG centered episode dominated? No shock. I still don't get the Ayanna hate. Kam looked like an entitled brat this episode. Mad at Cara for throwing a vote that didn't matter? I loved the Rachel and Ayanna friendship. Jasmine looks like a bobble head in her confessionals. Why did Rachel steal Tina's star?! And did Tina not care?! I needed this explained better. Oh and KING KEFLA! And props to Syrus for embracing his loss for once and not acting like he's "coming back better than ever".
I'm glad someone else felt the same. Kam is a brat and annoying. She didn't want any smoke from Ayanna.
I get that Kam's the main character and driving the politics in the house but she's DOMINATING the screentime right now. Wish it was a bit more balanced.
Maybe that's what it is. I want to see some of the other castmembers talk not hear Kam in her annoying voice. What is it with her voice this season? It's extra grating.
Kam can honestly rot in hell . I usually try not to publicly bash her , but Kam literally always has a problem with the other strong black women. It doesn't make any sense.
I half agree but Ayanna was also targeting her and went straight for Janelle too. So it's not like that was unprompted (like that shit on FR but that's another story).
Wow! What a great episode! I didn't get bored and touch my phone once. An OG centered episode dominated? No shock. I still don't get the Ayanna hate. Kam looked like an entitled brat this episode. Mad at Cara for throwing a vote that didn't matter? I loved the Rachel and Ayanna friendship. Jasmine looks like a bobble head in her confessionals. Why did Rachel steal Tina's star?! And did Tina not care?! I needed this explained better. Oh and KING KEFLA! And props to Syrus for embracing his loss for once and not acting like he's "coming back better than ever".
I'm glad someone else felt the same. Kam is a brat and annoying. She didn't want any smoke from Ayanna.
Also, what exactly did Ayanna say? In terms of the video footage we saw, her quote to Syrus was something general about people wanting to split Kam and Leroy up. Did Ayanna make a direct statement saying she wanted to get one of them out?
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Kam can honestly rot in hell . I usually try not to publicly bash her , but Kam literally always has a problem with the other strong black women. It doesn't make any sense.
I half agree but Ayanna was also targeting her and went straight for Janelle too. So it's not like that was unprompted (like that shit on FR but that's another story).
I completely understood where Ayanna was coming from with Janelle. I'll dm you because I don't wanna open those gates because clearly whatever happened with Janelle and Ayanna is for the culture and I don't need unsolicited opinions from the "others" on this site.
Plus that's one of one, Kam ALWAYS has some underlying issue with the strong black women, but LOVES her some jasmine and aneesa.
Also, what exactly did Ayanna say? In terms of the video footage we saw, her quote to Syrus was something general about people wanting to split Kam and Leroy up. Did Ayanna make a direct statement saying she wanted to get one of them out?
If the captions were correct, Ayanna started by explaining to Syrus the bottom 4 is up for voting into elim and then said "Now, a lot of people wanna try to break up that alliance between Kam and Leroy because whichever way Leroy votes, Kam votes."
So while that sounds like a general statement, the issue is -- is anyone in the house actually trying to get rid of Kam/Leroy at this stage? How many is a "a lot" of people? It could be that no one is targeting Kam/Leroy at this stage at all or her "a lot of people" is just her + maybe Rachel, V, and Tina.
We don't know either way, just that Brandon and Flora overheard the statement or enough of it to make it sound like Ayanna was gunning for Kam/Leroy, and that's all it takes.
Also, what exactly did Ayanna say? In terms of the video footage we saw, her quote to Syrus was something general about people wanting to split Kam and Leroy up. Did Ayanna make a direct statement saying she wanted to get one of them out?
If the captions were correct, Ayanna started by explaining to Syrus the bottom 4 is up for voting into elim and then said "Now, a lot of people wanna try to break up that alliance between Kam and Leroy because whichever way Leroy votes, Kam votes."
So while that sounds like a general statement, the issue is -- is anyone in the house actually trying to get rid of Kam/Leroy at this stage? How many is a "a lot" of people? It could be that no one is targeting Kam/Leroy at this stage at all or her "a lot of people" is just her + maybe Rachel, V, and Tina.
We don't know either way, just that Brandon and Flora overheard the statement or enough of it to make it sound like Ayanna was gunning for Kam/Leroy, and that's all it takes.
Yeah, that's definitely a nice recap. I guess my point is more that Ayanna may not have been lying to Kam when she confronted her. Ayanna was certainly being sneaky, but I don't know that we have proof that she specifically went after Leroy?
We also heard Brandon (I think?) tell people that Syrus and Kefla basically volunteered to go in. I wish we'd gotten more information about that as I wonder if they truly volunteered, or if they just sort of knew/assumed it was happening.
Anyway Ayanna was messy (but entertaining!) so I understand that people would want to get her out. I think I just have an issue with Kam because she seems to think people should just do what she wants and protect her and Leroy, including expecting Cara to give up her star to help Kam.
Kefla doesnt have baby mama / ex wife drama. I wish, because Id swoop right in! He seems very happily married to his wife, who is the mother of his kids.(and if youre wondering, yes it looks like she can fight LMAO). Ugh, I am so jealous of her.
Kefla doesnt have baby mama / ex wife drama. I wish, because Id swoop right in! He seems very happily married to his wife, who is the mother of his kids.(and if youre wondering, yes it looks like she can fight LMAO). Ugh, I am so jealous of her.
Also, what exactly did Ayanna say? In terms of the video footage we saw, her quote to Syrus was something general about people wanting to split Kam and Leroy up. Did Ayanna make a direct statement saying she wanted to get one of them out?
If the captions were correct, Ayanna started by explaining to Syrus the bottom 4 is up for voting into elim and then said "Now, a lot of people wanna try to break up that alliance between Kam and Leroy because whichever way Leroy votes, Kam votes."
So while that sounds like a general statement, the issue is -- is anyone in the house actually trying to get rid of Kam/Leroy at this stage? How many is a "a lot" of people? It could be that no one is targeting Kam/Leroy at this stage at all or her "a lot of people" is just her + maybe Rachel, V, and Tina.
We don't know either way, just that Brandon and Flora overheard the statement or enough of it to make it sound like Ayanna was gunning for Kam/Leroy, and that's all it takes.
It seemed Ayanna just mentioned Kam abd Leroy (which she has every right ). Not sure if she was gunning for them. Kam always makes things into an issue for screentime
Kam annoys me all of the time with how she thinks people should just do what she wants them to do. I do understand her being bothered by Cara since they've worked together for awhile, but the vote ultimately didn't matter so let it go.
I'm pretty sure Rachel stole Tina's star because of the deal with Cara. That also explains that Cara didn't really throw her vote; she had agreed to not vote Rachel in, and Rachel agreed not to take Cara's star. So, that deal worked out for Cara in one way, but now she's seemingly upset Kam so it backfired in another way.
Exactly the vote didn't matter, so why get upset. It shows she has control issues and just expects to be worshiped. She's great tv but I'm turning on her as a fan. She is not Coral or some legend who has earned to be bowed down to.
and Rachel should have stolen Steve's and left both girls alone.
Also, what exactly did Ayanna say? In terms of the video footage we saw, her quote to Syrus was something general about people wanting to split Kam and Leroy up. Did Ayanna make a direct statement saying she wanted to get one of them out?
If the captions were correct, Ayanna started by explaining to Syrus the bottom 4 is up for voting into elim and then said "Now, a lot of people wanna try to break up that alliance between Kam and Leroy because whichever way Leroy votes, Kam votes."
So while that sounds like a general statement, the issue is -- is anyone in the house actually trying to get rid of Kam/Leroy at this stage? How many is a "a lot" of people? It could be that no one is targeting Kam/Leroy at this stage at all or her "a lot of people" is just her + maybe Rachel, V, and Tina.
We don't know either way, just that Brandon and Flora overheard the statement or enough of it to make it sound like Ayanna was gunning for Kam/Leroy, and that's all it takes.
It seemed Ayanna just mentioned Kam abd Leroy (which she has every right ). Not sure if she was gunning for them. Kam always makes things into an issue for screentime
Right. And I feel confident they would have shown it if Ayanna had directly mentioned wanting to vote Leroy in and/or had tried to recruit people to that plan since they showed footage last episode that contradicted what she said about Janelle and since they tried to use that footage this episode to make it seem like she lied about what she said. As I said before, she was definitely being messy and I don't deny that, but I also don't know that she was directly targeting Leroy.
Kam annoys me all of the time with how she thinks people should just do what she wants them to do. I do understand her being bothered by Cara since they've worked together for awhile, but the vote ultimately didn't matter so let it go.
I'm pretty sure Rachel stole Tina's star because of the deal with Cara. That also explains that Cara didn't really throw her vote; she had agreed to not vote Rachel in, and Rachel agreed not to take Cara's star. So, that deal worked out for Cara in one way, but now she's seemingly upset Kam so it backfired in another way.
Exactly the vote didn't matter, so why get upset. It shows she has control issues and just expects to be worshiped. She's great tv but I'm turning on her as a fan. She is not Coral or some legend who has earned to be bowed down to.
and Rachel should have stolen Steve's and left both girls alone.
Kam has always had that attitude. It was kind of cute when she was a rookie simply because it was nice to see someone who didn't bow down to the vets, but over time it's gotten tiresome because, as you note, she's ultimately never done enough to earn the attitude.
I would like to know more about Rachel's thought process, but I can see where having a guy on her side is beneficial. Steve certainly has a better shot at doing well in challenges than Veronica, so he's good to have on her side. It might also be that she spoke with Tina, and Tina was fine with the plan.
I'm sorry but Leroy is so useless. This the second time Kam outperformed him in a daily while he's at the bottom making her have to make sure to keep him safe. And that annoys me after hearing their main goal is for him to be in the final moreso than her when I feel like she would do better than him even with her postpartum bod
LMAO so I'm not the only one who didn't think Ayanna was lying and that Flora and Brandon misunderstood what she meant? Although, she wasn't helping herself acting the most getting overly defensive. It also sounded like she acted worse behind the scenes, but her edit made me feel bad for her because it seemed like she wanted to work with Kam and Leroy. But why she randomly came for Jasmine lol?
I understand why Cara voted the way she did, but Rachel stealing from Tina instead of hers do look mad sketchy and should be questioned
I like the new elimination. It's like hall brawl but different
Kefla twerking had me holleringggg
And Tina's reaction to Rachel stealing her star was funny also
I don't think Ayanna wanted to target Leroy/Kam personally but I do think she was putting bugs in ears to get other people to do it which is smart gameplay. So technically she can say she wasn't coming for them but at the same time she wouldn't have minded them leaving either
I am kinda curious why Kam has heat for Cara but not Laurel when she did the same thing by not voting in Rachel.
Laurel isn't that close to her so she doesn't have a real dog in that fight.
As for Rachel . Her and Cara made a deal and she was keeping that deal. She was trying to get blood off her hands when she had a better shot at keeping her star if Tina and V were next to her since they're easy targets. I actually agree it was a scared move but I get why she did it
I am kinda curious why Kam has heat for Cara but not Laurel when she did the same thing by not voting in Rachel.
Laurel isn't that close to her so she doesn't have a real dog in that fight.
As for Rachel . Her and Cara made a deal and she was keeping that deal. She was trying to get blood off her hands when she had a better shot at keeping her star if Tina and V were next to her since they're easy targets. I actually agree it was a scared move but I get why she did it
Rewatching the episode I do think this vote situation is being blown out of proportion. I can see why Kam would feel slighted because she thought Cara would side with her over Rachel due to their history and friendship but I also see where Cara is coming from where it doesn't really matter because Kam is getting her way with Ayanna going against Rachel and Cara's vote truly meant nothing at that point. I think a simple conversation could've squandered any long lasting affects for their game dynamic
lol I thought the same thing. I was like why are you comparing everything to a one night stand. Kefla is a wild man
Can someone please explain the reason Tony left?
I'm glad someone else felt the same. Kam is a brat and annoying. She didn't want any smoke from Ayanna.
Maybe that's what it is. I want to see some of the other castmembers talk not hear Kam in her annoying voice. What is it with her voice this season? It's extra grating.
I half agree but Ayanna was also targeting her and went straight for Janelle too. So it's not like that was unprompted (like that shit on FR but that's another story).
Also, what exactly did Ayanna say? In terms of the video footage we saw, her quote to Syrus was something general about people wanting to split Kam and Leroy up. Did Ayanna make a direct statement saying she wanted to get one of them out?
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I completely understood where Ayanna was coming from with Janelle. I'll dm you because I don't wanna open those gates because clearly whatever happened with Janelle and Ayanna is for the culture and I don't need unsolicited opinions from the "others" on this site.
Plus that's one of one, Kam ALWAYS has some underlying issue with the strong black women, but LOVES her some jasmine and aneesa.
If the captions were correct, Ayanna started by explaining to Syrus the bottom 4 is up for voting into elim and then said "Now, a lot of people wanna try to break up that alliance between Kam and Leroy because whichever way Leroy votes, Kam votes."
So while that sounds like a general statement, the issue is -- is anyone in the house actually trying to get rid of Kam/Leroy at this stage? How many is a "a lot" of people? It could be that no one is targeting Kam/Leroy at this stage at all or her "a lot of people" is just her + maybe Rachel, V, and Tina.
We don't know either way, just that Brandon and Flora overheard the statement or enough of it to make it sound like Ayanna was gunning for Kam/Leroy, and that's all it takes.
Yeah, that's definitely a nice recap. I guess my point is more that Ayanna may not have been lying to Kam when she confronted her. Ayanna was certainly being sneaky, but I don't know that we have proof that she specifically went after Leroy?
We also heard Brandon (I think?) tell people that Syrus and Kefla basically volunteered to go in. I wish we'd gotten more information about that as I wonder if they truly volunteered, or if they just sort of knew/assumed it was happening.
Anyway Ayanna was messy (but entertaining!) so I understand that people would want to get her out. I think I just have an issue with Kam because she seems to think people should just do what she wants and protect her and Leroy, including expecting Cara to give up her star to help Kam.
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Kefla doesnt have baby mama / ex wife drama. I wish, because Id swoop right in! He seems very happily married to his wife, who is the mother of his kids.(and if youre wondering, yes it looks like she can fight LMAO). Ugh, I am so jealous of her.
All this kefla love and we will probably never see him again.
why cant we have nice things 
She definitely looks like she handles business.
They're on my list for a Bloodlines II
Oh hell yes!!! Those two and Darrell & his wife would be amazing to watch! Real power couples
It seemed Ayanna just mentioned Kam abd Leroy (which she has every right ). Not sure if she was gunning for them. Kam always makes things into an issue for screentime
I'm so proud of Averey
Exactly the vote didn't matter, so why get upset. It shows she has control issues and just expects to be worshiped. She's great tv but I'm turning on her as a fan. She is not Coral or some legend who has earned to be bowed down to.
and Rachel should have stolen Steve's and left both girls alone.
Right. And I feel confident they would have shown it if Ayanna had directly mentioned wanting to vote Leroy in and/or had tried to recruit people to that plan since they showed footage last episode that contradicted what she said about Janelle and since they tried to use that footage this episode to make it seem like she lied about what she said. As I said before, she was definitely being messy and I don't deny that, but I also don't know that she was directly targeting Leroy.
Kam has always had that attitude. It was kind of cute when she was a rookie simply because it was nice to see someone who didn't bow down to the vets, but over time it's gotten tiresome because, as you note, she's ultimately never done enough to earn the attitude.
I would like to know more about Rachel's thought process, but I can see where having a guy on her side is beneficial. Steve certainly has a better shot at doing well in challenges than Veronica, so he's good to have on her side. It might also be that she spoke with Tina, and Tina was fine with the plan.
Ayanna never said she was coming for Kam. Kam looked stupid for that. Everyone flipped on her for nothing.
i'm sorry but i don't like syrus so im glad he came and went in 30 mins
It kind of sucks for Rachel, that she didn't have an option to not steal.
Finally saw the episode
I'm sorry but Leroy is so useless. This the second time Kam outperformed him in a daily while he's at the bottom making her have to make sure to keep him safe. And that annoys me after hearing their main goal is for him to be in the final moreso than her when I feel like she would do better than him even with her postpartum bod
LMAO so I'm not the only one who didn't think Ayanna was lying and that Flora and Brandon misunderstood what she meant? Although, she wasn't helping herself acting the most getting overly defensive. It also sounded like she acted worse behind the scenes, but her edit made me feel bad for her because it seemed like she wanted to work with Kam and Leroy. But why she randomly came for Jasmine lol?
I understand why Cara voted the way she did, but Rachel stealing from Tina instead of hers do look mad sketchy and should be questioned
I like the new elimination. It's like hall brawl but different
Kefla twerking had me holleringggg
And Tina's reaction to Rachel stealing her star was funny also
I am kinda curious why Kam has heat for Cara but not Laurel when she did the same thing by not voting in Rachel.
Also confused why Rachel didn't steal Cara's star and give it to Veronica which would've given her/Tina/Veronica all stars even if only temporary
She didn't but she also had the option to not make it a bigger deal.
The theatrics made her look shadier than what she was actually being.
I don't think Ayanna wanted to target Leroy/Kam personally but I do think she was putting bugs in ears to get other people to do it which is smart gameplay. So technically she can say she wasn't coming for them but at the same time she wouldn't have minded them leaving either
Laurel isn't that close to her so she doesn't have a real dog in that fight.
As for Rachel . Her and Cara made a deal and she was keeping that deal. She was trying to get blood off her hands when she had a better shot at keeping her star if Tina and V were next to her since they're easy targets. I actually agree it was a scared move but I get why she did it
Rewatching the episode I do think this vote situation is being blown out of proportion. I can see why Kam would feel slighted because she thought Cara would side with her over Rachel due to their history and friendship but I also see where Cara is coming from where it doesn't really matter because Kam is getting her way with Ayanna going against Rachel and Cara's vote truly meant nothing at that point. I think a simple conversation could've squandered any long lasting affects for their game dynamic
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