The Challenge: Rivals II - Cast (Spoilers)

Since we know its not Vets vs Rooks maybe its [B]Good Guys vs Bad *****[/B]- not even that far-fetched, actually: [B]Good Guys[/B] [U]Males:[/U] Derek Tyrie Dunbar Danny Marlon Preston Robb Leroy [U]Females:[/U] Devyn Jessica Cooke Emily Sarah Paula Diem Anastasia [B]Bad *****[/B] [U]Males:[/U] CT Johnny Wes Frank Zach Knight Trey Jordan [U]Females:[/U] Camila Trishelle Theresa Jasmine Jonna Jemmye Nany Naomi - Or perhaps it will be completely a completely random selection progress alá Cutthroat

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339209]Check the history of the Challenges--this makes no sense. Hell it went Inferno, Battle of the Sexes 2, Inferno 2[/QUOTE] I'd take 5 Inferno's in a row, but you can't do a gimmick one like Rivals over and over again. Now all of a sudden those rivals have new rivals half of whom haven't even been on the same challenges together? It's crazy speculation, I wasn't referencing challenge history with a challenge textbook it just doesn't make sense. Rivals 2 is a poor speculation, just like exes, or is a tweeted flirt or kiss face considered being an ex now? I think because of thailand it's safe to assume Ruins is it not? That makes partner challenges not the case, the only thing left to figure out is how the teams will be divided, not partnerships. Is it bad *****/good guys, old school/new school, champions/challengers et...

[QUOTE=Snake19;339223]I'd take 5 Inferno's in a row, but you can't do a gimmick one like Rivals over and over again. Now all of a sudden those rivals have new rivals half of whom haven't even been on the same challenges together? It's crazy speculation, I wasn't referencing challenge history with a challenge textbook it just doesn't make sense. Rivals 2 is a poor speculation, just like exes, or is a tweeted flirt or kiss face considered being an ex now? I think because of thailand it's safe to assume Ruins is it not? That makes partner challenges not the case, the only thing left to figure out is how the teams will be divided, not partnerships. Is it bad *****/good guys, old school/new school, champions/challengers et...[/QUOTE] No one said it can't be the Ruins 2--I want it to be the Ruins 2 but we need to consider every option. Rivals does work--social media can't be ignored as they're trying to add viewers anyway they can

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339227]No one said it can't be the Ruins 2--I want it to be the Ruins 2 but we need to consider every option. Rivals does work--social media can't be ignored as they're trying to add viewers anyway they can[/QUOTE] I was just doubting Rivals, I'm hoping Ruins as well, but Vet/Rookie pairings are a possibility despite the fact I hate it

[QUOTE=Snake19;339132]The Rookie team is going to be filled with drama. Trey is buddy buddy with Robb and the Portland cast, Zach/Frank are the better players but look outnumbered alliance wise, so throwing Jonna as a little note on top of everything else they will have to deal with is just a little truffle of added goodness. There's going to be a huge power struggle on that team too so Jonna taking sides is bound to cause something, being on the Vets team will take that aspect away because there's no way she'd be making decisions on a team with CT/Johnny/Wes[/QUOTE] What rookie team? In fact, what team(s)? [QUOTE=CASTOFF;339141]Hasn't it been said in past posts about how miserable the cast/crew were when the Ruins was filmed in Thailand? Has anything changed that will make the cast able to leave the house this time and relieve some of the tension from the close quarters? If not, I could see a lot of drama that would be caused by this aspect. I would love to see some fun times in the house instead of all negative drama. That was what was fun about the early challenges. Of course, there was drama but the fun times seemed to balance it out.[/QUOTE] The cast was miserable because of the decisions by BMP that, like The Island, were designed to force drama by giving no outlets to the cast. I can only assume that BMP would not be so foolish as do do it again. It is so much easier to create drama by "suggesting" actions and behaviors to the cast. The older cast and some of the younger ones get that there are there only to make good TV. Wining the money at the end is a reward for being supremely entertaining. [QUOTE=Blue123;339142]So is it officially rookies vs vets? Cause format changes everything, if its like ruins 2 then the challengers team will suck, only good one is CT. And does Jonna have bad blood with Zach??[/QUOTE] I do not believe even the cast knew the format this time; thus, when TJ explains it to them on camera they may actually be surprised for a change. I HATE THE FAKE RESHOOTS! [QUOTE=GDInstall;339143]So after reading V1man's post about his expectation of a new concept, I got this feeling that he knows something. The only one who was/is not expecting it is/was V1man (First pairings like FM then this new concept). But it would be a good twist/surprise for everybody, if this Rookie/Vets beef will not happen. It's V1man. This new concept would actually explode a lot of predictablity and pre-show alliances. Two of the things V1 criticise BMP/MTV for. This post wasnt meant to be an attack on you (V1man)[/QUOTE] 1. I do know something. BMP & MTV need to produce good TV/ratings, or else. Beyond that, I really know nothing about the format. I've had a series cancelled for lack of ratings, so I have some experience here. You either add to the corporate bottom line or someone else will. With Wes, I really only applied simple logic, knowing that he does have a special relationship with BMP. 2. These really is are just logic problems for me. I can't see any tired or unsuccessful format bringing back the lost audience. I’m not aware that it has ever been successful in the last decade of reality TV. BMP has to have at least one creative person on their staff who has a clue. Further, I can't see the currently identified cast as fitting well into any aforementioned formats -- other than as a failed concept. (i.e., I have no inside knowledge. ) Heck, why not bring back the creator of Fear Factor and 3. I'm me, OK. That means absolutely nothing these days. I'm out of the reality business and have but one scripted show out with a show runner looking for a network home. In the post-Tonya BMP environment, I consider my bridges as burned as hers. 4. I've been on BMP for years about the need to fracture alliances -- and even pit friends against each other. It's a reason I like pairs competitions and the early challenge cumulative scoring system. What attack? LOL. You are giving me powers of knowledge and observation I don't possess. I just have a **** load more life experience than any of you. Maybe I should change my name to Gandolf?

[QUOTE=Snake19;339229]I was just doubting Rivals, I'm hoping Ruins as well, but Vet/Rookie pairings are a possibility despite the fact I hate it[/QUOTE] No problem--we agree. My only issue was you saying that you believed those talking about Rivals 2 want another Rivals--I sure as hell don't but I can see them making it work. Especially if they want someone in particular to win.

I would pay anything to have cumulative scoring return and be a factor

Maybe it's a Battle of the Sexes 3?

iam thinking teams are going to be created randomly in some way, not completely random but sort of random, i for one don't mind teams being created randomly actually because it totally changes how the game will be played and the alliances, it makes the game totally unpredictable and thats what i want to see on these challenges unpredictability

V1, what do you mean by reshoots? Sounds like the Hills route. And didn't you once say in The Island threads that they faked the drop-offs?

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339233]I would pay anything to have cumulative scoring return and be a factor[/QUOTE] Not me. That was weak ****. I like elimination rounds, etc.

[QUOTE=alaskak94;339234]Maybe it's a Battle of the Sexes 3?[/QUOTE] If so the women better pray they get Emily, Cooke & Sarah in the final or they have no shot in hell

[QUOTE=Nostalgic;339237]Not me. That was weak ****. I like elimination rounds, etc.[/QUOTE] Cumulative scoring with elimination rounds--like the bottom person goes in automatically and the top 3 vote on who faces them.

[QUOTE=V1man;339230]What rookie team? In fact, what team(s)? The cast was miserable because of the decisions by BMP that, like The Island, were designed to force drama by giving no outlets to the cast. I can only assume that BMP would not be so foolish as do do it again. It is so much easier to create drama by "suggesting" actions and behaviors to the cast. The older cast and some of the younger ones get that there are there only to make good TV. Wining the money at the end is a reward for being supremely entertaining. I do not believe even the cast knew the format this time; thus, when TJ explains it to them on camera they may actually be surprised for a change. I HATE THE FAKE RESHOOTS! 1. I do know something. BMP & MTV need to produce good TV/ratings, or else. Beyond that, I really know nothing about the format. I've had a series cancelled for lack of ratings, so I have some experience here. You either add to the corporate bottom line or someone else will. With Wes, I really only applied simple logic, knowing that he does have a special relationship with BMP. 2. These really is are just logic problems for me. I can't see any tired or unsuccessful format bringing back the lost audience. I’m not aware that it has ever been successful in the last decade of reality TV. BMP has to have at least one creative person on their staff who has a clue. Further, I can't see the currently identified cast as fitting well into any aforementioned formats -- other than as a failed concept. (i.e., I have no inside knowledge. ) Heck, why not bring back the creator of Fear Factor and 3. I'm me, OK. That means absolutely nothing these days. I'm out of the reality business and have but one scripted show out with a show runner looking for a network home. In the post-Tonya BMP environment, I consider my bridges as burned as hers. 4. I've been on BMP for years about the need to fracture alliances -- and even pit friends against each other. It's a reason I like pairs competitions and the early challenge cumulative scoring system. What attack? LOL. You are giving me powers of knowledge and observation I don't possess. I just have a **** load more life experience than any of you. Maybe I should change my name to Gandolf?[/QUOTE] Here's my question then: Is the format for this season similar to previous formats, just with a different say "reasoning" for creating the teams/pairings/whatever? Also, is it something that people who saw the last 5 seasons and said "No more of this" aren't going to be happy about?

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339240]Cumulative scoring with elimination rounds--like the bottom person goes in automatically and the top 3 vote on who faces them.[/QUOTE] Oh ok. That would be interesting if it returns.

Nostalgic, sorry I should have explained that better the first time. I just want to see people have to earn "control" and "their place" in the game.

[QUOTE=V1man;339230]What attack? LOL. You are giving me powers of knowledge and observation I don't possess. I just have a **** load more life experience than any of you. Maybe I should change my name to Gandolf?[/QUOTE] I don't think "life experience" or even "show business experience" translates to the fact you knew the cast in advance. How many people on this official cast are different than what we predicted? I think Danny is the only one we did not come up with when making the speculated cast, especially JoJoRules who put in a large effort. Also molds swapped out someone we did not have listed for someone we did have listed, should JoJo be given full modship along with the rest of us who speculated on the cast and be granted supreme beings of life experience with names representing Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli as well? hahahahaha Jokes aside you knew the cast in advance of the rest of us and I'm not buying that being attributed to "life experience" so it's a given people assume you know something beyond what we know before scouring twitter

[QUOTE=Nostalgic;339237]Not me. That was weak ****. I like elimination rounds, etc.[/QUOTE] A-freakin-greed.

[QUOTE=RatedRudy;339235]iam thinking teams are going to be created randomly in some way, not completely random but sort of random, i for one don't mind teams being created randomly actually because it totally changes how the game will be played and the alliances, it makes the game totally unpredictable and thats what i want to see on these challenges unpredictability[/QUOTE] I have the same feeling....for example they could start out with some type of competition similar to Cutthroat or Gauntlet 2 (a race, a battle royale). The twist would be the winner of that competition will be paired with the worst performer for the entire challenge. Whoever gets 2nd place is paired with the 2nd worst performer, and so on.

[QUOTE=RobbioRobbio;339250]I have the same feeling....for example they could start out with some type of competition similar to Cutthroat or Gauntlet 2 (a race, a battle royale). The twist would be the winner of that competition will be paired with the worst performer for the entire challenge. Whoever gets 2nd place is paired with the 2nd worst performer, and so on.[/QUOTE] Please no more partner challenges for a while.

I also think it could be a Battle Of The Sexes 3. But they won't be naming it 3. They have done 2 Battle of the (exes and seasons), they have gone back to one of the earliest challenges with BOTSeasons and they have come up with a huge cast. I can also see them doing something along the lines of BOTSexes with Rookies vs Vets, making a 4 teams of 8 each. With Devyn instead of Sam that is possible.

[QUOTE=RobbioRobbio;339250]I have the same feeling....for example they could start out with some type of competition similar to Cutthroat or Gauntlet 2 (a race, a battle royale). The twist would be the winner of that competition will be paired with the worst performer for the entire challenge. Whoever gets 2nd place is paired with the 2nd worst performer, and so on.[/QUOTE] At the same time, on Cutthroat it was kinda unrepresentative of the actual power distribution, because ppl had to carry their bags while running. With Camila for example carrying 180lbs and Emilee 120lbs, while others only carried 45-60lbs... so of course they were gonna come in (near)last...

I know everyone said that they won't do a duel 3 but if I'm bmp why not have a 13 episode season with a guy and a girl elim every week until the last 4 guys and last 4 girls battle it out in the finale.

[QUOTE=ShowStopper;339255]I know everyone said that they won't do a duel 3 but if I'm bmp why not have a 13 episode season with a guy and a girl elim every week until the last 4 guys and last 4 girls battle it out in the finale.[/QUOTE] This cast absolutely sucks for a Duel--at least with the women.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339256]This cast absolutely sucks for a Duel--at least with the women.[/QUOTE] None of the rosters on previous Duels have been impressive. I think that it would be a lot more interesting if it actually were a Duel. Might get a bit predictable at times, but it could bring out the best in people.

I agree about the weak cast but that type of duel format would make it way interesting IMO

I would just hate to waste a Duel on this cast--JMO. I also don't want to see more than 2 people in a final of a Duel--again JMO

[QUOTE=ShowStopper;339255]I know everyone said that they won't do a duel 3 but if I'm bmp why not have a 13 episode season with a guy and a girl elim every week until the last 4 guys and last 4 girls battle it out in the finale.[/QUOTE] Since Vets vs Rooks isn´t happening, I am kinda hoping for a Duel too... I just feel like it would almost be too predictable with so many fillers there... Top 4-5 is pretty much given from the got go..IMO (in no particular order) Males: Johnny, CT, Frank, Dunbar, Zach, Females: Emily, Camila, Sarah, Diem, (Cooke)

[QUOTE=LexBlair;339260]Since Vets vs Rooks isn´t happening, I am kinda hoping for a Duel too... I just feel like it would almost be too predictable with so many fillers there... Top 4-5 is pretty much given from the got go..IMO (in no particular order) Males: Johnny, CT, Frank, Dunbar, Zach, Females: Emily, Camila, Sarah, Diem, (Cooke)[/QUOTE] Take out Diem & Dunbar and change Frank to Leroy and we'd agree on the top 4 I think Emily or Cooke wins going away if this is a Duel.