Johnny is such a *******...I'm not watching the next challenge if he is cast.
Also Trishelle is hypocrite, I cant stand the *****.
Tonya admits to her mistakes and knows that she drank too much and screwed around a lot, but she never denied that.
Also I dont think Theo probably keeps in touch with Tonya to know how she is doing NOW, its been 2 years since we have even seen or heard from Tonya. People change.
[QUOTE=Sloan;284845]It's also interesting that even after MTV/BMP was aware of these allegations, Evan and Kenny were still invited to challenges. Maybe they thought this would never become public and we'd all be none the wiser, so why not rake in the ratings that having those two brings? It sure makes them look bad now though. They might've been able to save face by not involving those two in future challenges in case this ever got out (whether it's true or not)...then they'd be able to tell us "Oh, we were horrified by these allegations, blah blah". Obviously they weren't though. Thoughts on that?[/QUOTE]
I was wondering the exact same thing. Why invite Evan and Kenny back for rivals. Maybe BMP and MTV thought they could settle out of court and none of the fans would hear about it.
[QUOTE=danw34;284768]I believe her. On the *** they should have shown for the ruins. Cast members actually brag to the camera about how they would torment Tonya when she was too drunk to defend herself. We see people throwing baby powder in her face. And when she is passed out drunk, people move her and put her in other cast members beds as a "joke". I believe this was the same challenge where other cast members like susie invented a game they called "I hate Tonya because". They made it a contest to see who could say the most hurtful things about Tonya.[/QUOTE]
The " I Hate Tonya Because..." Game was invented on the Inferno 3
Is the full complaint anywhere besides at the end of that Hollywood Reporter article? That one won't zoom in a way that makes it easy to read. And the link from E!'s story isn't working for me either. Can't believe TMZ didn't post it, they're usually all over posting full legal documents!
Tonya's a beautiful woman who's just had a lot of problems in her life.. I think that this would be crazy even for a Kenny/Evan "joke", though I don't see why she would lie about it. Just hope the truth comes out. Either way it's a disaster for BMP, MTV, Evan and probably especially Kenny's career at MTV.
[QUOTE=danw34;284849]I was wondering the exact same thing. Why invite evan and kenny back for rivals. Maybe BMP and MTV thought they could settle out of court and none of the fans would hear about it.[/QUOTE]
Not only did they invite them back but MTV had Kenny host the Jersey Shore aftershow.
I did like Tonya but this ain't cool. There is a great chance we aren't gonna see anymore challenges or the Real World and I think that's what people are really worried about the most. I think she will win some of the charges but not all. Kenny's reputation on MTV is "ruined" and I think people will not look at him the same now.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;284847]Johnny is such a *******...I'm not watching the next challenge if he is cast.
Also Trishelle is hypocrite, I cant stand the *****.
Tonya admits to her mistakes and knows that she drank too much and screwed around a lot, but she never denied that.
Also I dont think Theo probably keeps in touch with Tonya to know how she is doing NOW, its been 2 years since we have even seen or heard from Tonya. People change.[/QUOTE]
Would you still have a problem with them if each said that they thought Kenny and Evan were bad people and that this is probably true? They're more in the know than most of us are about this situation. I think all of them should be keeping their mouths shut no matter whose side they're on.
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Bunim Murray has commented.
I'm not sure why the stars come up but it should say Fox News
[QUOTE=Sloan;284845]It's also interesting that even after MTV/BMP was aware of these allegations, Evan and Kenny were still invited to challenges. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fresh Prince;284855]Not only did they invite them back but MTV had Kenny host the Jersey Shore aftershow.[/QUOTE]
To me, it makes perfect sense for the defense to present a united front. Distancing themselves from Kenny and Evan is basically them admitting that this happened under their watch. They need to make it look like Tonya's claims are ridiculous by not only employing Kenny and Evan but keeping them front and center. They would never hire a rapist to host the lovely ladies of The Jersey Shore.
Or would they? I think this is where their outrageous contract comes to play. I didn't read the whole thing so correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't it say that cast members may get raped and BMP takes no responsibility? Now why would the cast be in an environment where they could get raped? Is it because producers don't care enough to do a background check on who they hire as long as they bring in the ratings?
[QUOTE=Sloan;284851]Is the full complaint anywhere besides at the end of that Hollywood Reporter article? That one won't zoom in a way that makes it easy to read. And the link from E!'s story isn't working for me either. Can't believe TMZ didn't post it, they're usually all over posting full legal documents![/QUOTE]
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BMP would have had a perfect excuse not to invite Evan and Kenny back to the challenges until this got resolved - they could say they have hundreds of cast members and wanted to cast others instead.
However, in the case of Kenny's hosting Jersey Shore aftershows, maybe it is possible that he has a contract with MTV? If he does, MTV could have possibly faced being sued by him for firing/suspending him because they did so based off an allegation.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;284847]Johnny is such a *******...I'm not watching the next challenge if he is cast.
Also Trishelle is hypocrite, I cant stand the *****.
Tonya admits to her mistakes and knows that she drank too much and screwed around a lot, but she never denied that.
Also I dont think Theo probably keeps in touch with Tonya to know how she is doing NOW, its been 2 years since we have even seen or heard from Tonya. People change.[/QUOTE]
No surprise whatsoever from Johnny. That part wasn't so bad, I don't think, but the mentioning of the classless joke thing from earlier didn't look so nice. To his credit, he didn't tweet it, but someone tweeted the joke to him, it seems. I don't think Theo said anything bad. It is true that Tonya has had tough times. Him saying he didn't think she should be put on the shows is something so many people have said because of the state she's been in on a number of them. He did not say anything about thinking she is currently crazy or anything like that. The person who tweeted him made the crazy remark. Trishelle - well I guess I can understand her remarks based on her history with Tonya. The compulsive liar comment doesn't look good, but she did also admitted she doesn't know what happened. I can see a lot of people having that thought cross their mind - fans and cast members alike (I admit, just as I considered things Kenny and Evan have done, I've considered Tonya's state on these shows, too). However, like I said earlier, when the cast members say it, some people will take it as some kind of expert opinion and may not have known that a lot of them were not there.
I agree with those who have stated that if the cast members are smart, they might want to keep quiet unless they don't mind being subpoenaed to court as character witnesses. As it is already, some of the cast members probably will, even if they have not spoken. But if not, you might not want to put a target on yourself.
The castmember who annoys me the most in all of this is Emilee...she has a ******* stroke whenever castmembers talk about stuff she's done that's been shown ON CAMERA and flips out and tells people to mind their own business, but she's always the first one diving into other people's business and talking about stuff that happened from stuff she wasn't even present at.
[QUOTE=brunett;284868]I don't know why Johnny's so confident, the whole **** thing was caught on tape![/QUOTE]
Sure it was...don't believe everything you hear. You honestly think they would film something like that and not do something about it? Keep dreaming.
[QUOTE=townie;284866]The castmember who annoys me the most in all of this is Emilee...she has a ******* stroke whenever castmembers talk about stuff she's done that's been shown ON CAMERA and flips out and tells people to mind their own business, but she's always the first one diving into other people's business and talking about stuff that happened from stuff she wasn't even present at.[/QUOTE]
ugh I know...! 100%
I've tried to read a lot of these pages and I'm sure it's been said before... but why would she supposedly lie about this & make all of it up when CAMERAS WERE THERE?? She'd be wasting a lot of $$ on lawyers knowing there'd be video footage to just throw her case out the window immediately. As I'm typing this though, I remember it said production replaced the toothbrush the next day...so I wonder if they turned the camera away anyways? And if this whole accusation did happen, what kind of sick camera crew sits there and lets this happen? I hope there is action taken against those sick ****s too if this case is proven....
oh yeah, and Tonya said she woke up with lacerations & abrasions on her ***** the next morning... she said she was passed out, so when did she find out (and from who) they were from a toothbrush? Were they teasing her about it (ie the possible motive to Veronica fight) or did a friend come forward later?
[QUOTE=harrypotty;284873]oh yeah, and Tonya said she woke up with lacerations & abrasions on her ***** the next morning... she said she was passed out, so when did she find out (and from who) they were from a toothbrush? Were they teasing her about it (ie the possible motive to Veronica fight) or did a friend come forward later?[/QUOTE]
Paragraph 44: "Even after Plaintiff and [B]other cast members formally reported[/B] Defendants' Santucci and Starkman sexual assault of Plaintiff..."
[QUOTE=RW561015;284865]BMP would have had a perfect excuse not to invite Evan and Kenny back to the challenges until this got resolved - they could say they have hundreds of cast members and wanted to cast others instead.
However, in the case of Kenny's hosting Jersey Shore aftershows, maybe it is possible that he has a contract with MTV? If he does, MTV could have possibly faced being sued by him for firing/suspending him because they did so based off an allegation.
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I'm not a legal expert but I'm pretty sure most contracts such as these come with a morality clause, so they probably could've backed out of it. Again, not 100% but they did just hire him to do MTV geek, which is a newer project.
This story really disturbed my mind because I have been watching these challenges for a long time. So I went to see comments people left when the episode 4 of the Ruins was aired...I found this ones interesting:
Comment 1.:"Kenny and Evan.....seriously dudes, after screwing with Tonya you then turn round and act like angels, seriously....you guys ARE the devil's spawn ..."
(what was their motive to pretend they are now all the sudden best friends with her when they molested her though all the challenge)...I'll say they did something bad..
Comment 2.: I was pleasantly surprised that Evan was comforting Tonya instead of Veronica. On the other hand, I remember how mean Evan and Kenny have been to her this whole time. To say that it's always fun to pick on someone shows just what kind of sick mentality these guys have. Grow up already. It's like watching these grown *** men act like boys in junior high that need to pick on others to feel good about themselves. Girls keep saying how cute they are but that kind of immaturity is such a turn off to me.
Comment 3: I don't know what nauseated me the most--Evan holding Tonya while she fell apart or his comment that Veronica should've known when to stop since she is an rational adult dealing with an irrational adult. ***??? Please apply that same rationalization to yourself. Why would "grown" a** men pick, prod, and taunt a woman going through personal turmoil and obviously suffering from a low self-esteem??? They should be sent home for traumatizing that girl.
I can not watch it again...because it's not allowed in my country so I have to relay on this comments made when the Ruins were aired.
Yea, the interesting thing is that Susie did mention them sexually harassing the girls during the Sh#t show. I am pretty sure we all remember them undoing the girls bathing suits and walking in on the shower on kim. I do think they went too far during that challenge. But, we weren't there. I just hope that if they did do this they pay for it. Because its not right.
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Sweet, thanks.
Didn't realize she was also suing "Does 1-100"...meaning she thinks other people may have been involved, but doesn't know who they are yet, and when she finds out (maybe by seeing whatever footage BMP has if she can get her hands on it for trial), she's going to sue their ***** too.
More motivation for everyone who was there to stay quiet.
[QUOTE=harrypotty;284872]I've tried to read a lot of these pages and I'm sure it's been said before... but why would she supposedly lie about this & make all of it up when CAMERAS WERE THERE?? She'd be wasting a lot of $$ on lawyers knowing there'd be video footage to just throw her case out the window immediately. As I'm typing this though, I remember it said production replaced the toothbrush the next day...so I wonder if they turned the camera away anyways? And if this whole accusation did happen, what kind of sick camera crew sits there and lets this happen? I hope there is action taken against those sick ****s too if this case is proven....[/QUOTE]
If you read the complaint it sounds like there may not necessarily have been a camera crew in the room filming it at the time, but that the room had many cameras and microphones planted it in that allowed for 24/7 filming and that those cameras were monitored by BMP. So maybe there weren't a bunch of camera dudes standing around watching (although it sounds like there WERE multiple cast members watching but who knows how drunk they were to realize what was actually happening), but BMP saw the footage afterwards?
[QUOTE=Lionqueen11;284842]Wow I'm very shocked, what's going to happen next if the case goes to court?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure, but I can tell you it won't be pretty. There is always a chance that the case will still settle before it ever sees court.
[QUOTE=FishHooks;284846]Molds13 jumps out the window after the 1,000th person asks her for trial spoilers I think :search:[/QUOTE]
Hah, thanks for that.
[QUOTE=danw34;284849]I was wondering the exact same thing. Why invite Evan and Kenny back for rivals. Maybe BMP and MTV thought they could settle out of court and none of the fans would hear about it.[/QUOTE]
Something I think you and others asking the similar questions (why is BMP working with Kenny so much, why do they keep getting invited back, etc) are missing: [B]innocent until proven guilty[/B]...even if they do have footage that might say otherwise.
Online says the alleged incident happened 9 days into filming and that the Veronica fight happened the next day and Tonya was sent home.
Her claim says she found out later, after filming, what happened. But had noted abrasions and soreness and associated those with the challenge.
I don't think the Veronica fight was about this alleged incident. Why would Tonya have slapped Veronica and been hysterical if she didn't know yet? She would have been like what are you talking about, what happened last night ? I think Veronica attacked over personal stuff that was considered over the line to other cast mates and they defended T, similar to when Laurel used Paula's anorexia as fodder.
If so it means V and others knew the day after and were already callously attacking T over it, that MTV elected not to edit the fight differently to cover it's vague mention up, and that Evan and Kenny already knew something was up before Tonya did. If T had known already, no way she'd let them console her.
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Something I think you and others asking the similar questions (why is BMP working with Kenny so much, why do they keep getting invited back, etc) are missing: [B]innocent until proven guilty[/B]...even if they do have footage that might say otherwise.[/QUOTE]
No one seems to wonder why Evan and Kenny would return.
Just speculating but is the chance at prize money worth it when their name, careers, freedom and relationships are on the line? Presumably they have had close friends and family as well as lawyers, helping them deal with these allegations since May 2010. You'd think they would be advised not to return and risk anything coming out on tape. Even if MTV edited the tapes, the tapes would exist. Kenny and Evan are the 2 cast members who have gone on to make careers out of this show. Clothing line, product spokesman, hosting gigs, Evan does a dating show, paid appearances, etc. they have a lot at risk from any audio or video tapes in possession from any show. Why return for multiple more ?
It's clear many names are forever tainted over this. But we don't know what is and isn't on tape as evidence. We have all seen the harassment that goes on and wasn't edited out by MTV; maybe that's the evidence and the rest is not on tape or maybe it is. We don't know what is and isn't confirmed by tape versus story. But we can't quote the complaint as if a third party investigator wrote it unless you also are later willing to also quote the responses from BMP, MTV, Kenny and Evan.
a commenter said something interesting in this video: [I]It's something about Kenny and Evan that makes me think that they're the type of guys that would **** a girl while she's passed out drunk. They just make the atmosphere uncomfortable.[/I]
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[QUOTE=molds13;284884]I'm not sure, but I can tell you it won't be pretty. There is always a chance that the case will still settle before it ever sees court.
Hah, thanks for that.
Something I think you and others asking the similar questions (why is BMP working with Kenny so much, why do they keep getting invited back, etc) are missing: [B]innocent until proven guilty[/B]...even if they do have footage that might say otherwise.[/QUOTE]
If this one incident was isolated, It would not bother me so much that BMP continued to work with Evan and Kenny and other contestants. But, as people have mentioned earlier in the thread, other incidents involving Kenny, Evan, Johnny and others harassing and bullying other contestants are part of a pattern of behavior. They are on TV pulling the bathing suits off female contestants. On the Island Johnny created a hostile environment for the female contestants, calling many of them *****es without any provocation, suggesting they should be on medications, trying to take away food from contestants he didn't like and give their portions to contestants he did.
BMP continued to invite the bullies back season after season. Look at all the incidents CT and Jenn have been involved in, and they seem to be BMP favorites. Part of Tonya's complaint is that BPM created an unsafe environment where bullying and harassment were encouraged and rewarded. If you watch how the challenges have evolved over the years, and look at the contestants that are invited back every season, you can't deny the truth of this claim.
It got to the point this past season, where BMP invited back contestants who had a history of fighting one another, and paired them together for maximum drama. Why invite Adam Royer, when BMP knows he is a danger to himself, other contestants, and the property he will inevitably destroy. Are they going to continue filming CT, up until the point where he kills someone on camera. This past season of Rivals almost all the TV time was spent on contrived arguments and backstage drama. Almost no airtime was devoted to the actual challenges.
Many of us began watching the old real world/road rules challenges because we liked seeing some of our old favorite characters participate in wacky challenges, party, and have a good time.
An incident like this was bound to happen because of the environment BMP and MTV were creating on the show. If you ignore this latest alleged incident and assume Evan and Kenny are innocent until proven guilty, that does not absolve them of responsibility for all the other harassment and bullying they have been involved in, on camera, over the years.
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