From reading the complaint it seems like Tonya has a decent case against Kenny and Evan for battery and sexual assault, if there are witnesses to it like she said. It will be a harder case against BMP ad MTV because she will have to prove she was an actual employee and not an independent contractor; but it's worth a try because BMP and MTV are the ones with the deep pockets as opposed to Kenny and Evan.
Are the charges against MTV for letting it happen or Evan/Kenny specifically? Like could they face individual charges? I thought more against MTV for allowing and ignoring her complaint. I know it seems implied it would be against them individually as well, but depends on how she files it to me. It was for Kenny/Evan's behavior, but against MTV"s lack of action and or allowing/encouraging bad behavior.
I just don't see the logic in doing this. I don't see the logic in production letting this happen. How can you be so foolish? If this really went down and production stood by, I think the show is done. If this happened and production wasn't around, the show may still be done but I think Kenny and Evan are banned.
If there winds up not being enough evidence to determine that this happened, then the show might be okay but production will have to make some serious changes. Seeing some drama is expected but when someone gets harassed to this point... it's out of line. No ifs ands or buts about it.
The fact that so many of us can imagine Johnny and Kenny doing this speaks to how they have portrayed themselves in the past. It's one thing to play the bad guy but come on, clean it up a bit.
I really don't think it has anything to do with it but maybe, maybe this is some of the stuff Wes was alluding to when he went off on his team during the Ruins and called them bad people. It seemed like he was trying to play he hero role but maybe he heard about the degree of some of these pranks and he was genuinely disgusted by their behavior. It would be hard to stomach if it were me.
[QUOTE=jojorules;284806]Is the charges against MTV for letting it happen or Evan/Kenny specifically? Like could they face individual charges? I thought more against MTV for allowing and ignoring her complaint.[/QUOTE]
There are a number of charges in her case. Some of them are for the production company and some are specifically against Kenny and Evan. The ones that are against them specifically are the sexual assault/battery charges. The ones towards BMP/MTV are more around negligence, wrongful termination, and a few others. The document from her legal team is probably the best place to look.
[QUOTE=JL81790;284809]There are a number of charges in her case. Some of them are for the production company and some are specifically against Kenny and Evan. The ones that are against them specifically are the sexual assault/battery charges. The ones towards BMP/MTV are more around negligence, wrongful termination, and a few others. The document from her legal team is probably the best place to look.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for clarifying.This all is a shame for challenge fans and just in general that this stuff happens EVER in society. I have a feeling lots of character bashing is in store though for Tonya, it's a shame really. It was brave of her to come forward, if it is true. Which if challenge people really backed the story, at least parts of it must be IMO. I am not fans of Evan and Kenny on the show, but I always thought Kenny was a good guy. I still will until I hear all the details though.
[QUOTE=Xerxes;284804]I'm with you. It shouldn't matter when it was filed. With all of the victim-blaming that goes on in this world, I can see why it would take someone a long time to come forth. It's intimidating how people treat rape victims and scrutinize every thing they have ever done, despite events being irrelevant. I don't think I would've come forward if I were in her, and I were rape survivor. Nothing adds salt to flesh wound like people saying that you're a crazy, drunken, attention-seeking liar looking for a payday. The least people like Johnny, Melinda, Emily (DC), and Emilee (Cancun) could have done was not talk about it, and refrain from mocking rape. Rape jokes aren't funny, and who knows if they have followers that were victims of sexual assault and triggered by what they said? People are so inconsiderate these days.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you know what I don't think I would say anything either, if it was like a typical violent rape then I'd probably go to the police but something like this? Where a lot of people know who you are, probably not, especially considering Tonya's history. And Melinda, Emilee and Emiy are ridiculous, they weren't there! The Cancun girl was saying from WHAT SHE HEARD she says it's exaggerated like yea ok Kenny and Evan would tell her yeah we raped Tonya. It would be more credible if the people who were there commented on it and I'm not surprised that most of the ruins cast besides for Johnny haven't said anything.
[QUOTE=Blue123;284799]But why does it matter when she filled? Maybe it was a year ago and it took time to make it public? I dont really know but I dont think she looses credibility just because she didnt file right after it happened, a lot of rape victims dont speak up right away and maybe at the time she didnt know if she was done with MTV, and come on that's embarrassing who wants to reveal that they were raped with a toothbrush? Most women wouldn't go that far for attention for money maybe but it's not like it's guaranteed and if it's proven that she's making this up then she'll look like a complete moron. So I am hoping she considered that before going through with this and I dont think she would just make this up, something might have happened but maybe it's not exactly how she remembers it, but who knows, time will tell I guess. And I cant believe some of the cast is joking about it, even if you dont believe it, it's still a very serious offence and they should keep their mouths shut because their involved with MTV/BMP and let the court deal with it, that's what the lawyers would tell you to do.[/QUOTE]
So quick to jump to conclusions - the reason I was wondering was because I'd been wondering if that was why Kenny and Evan weren't really acting like themselves in the last challenge (Rivals). Neither of them performed well and I could tell their minds were somewhere else, not on the challenge. So if the lawsuit was known about at the time, that may explain why they didn't seem like themselves....that's all I was saying.
[QUOTE=brunett;284815]So quick to jump to conclusions - the reason I was wondering was because I'd been wondering if that was why Kenny and Evan weren't really acting like themselves in the last challenge (Rivals). Neither of them performed well and I could tell their minds were somewhere else, not on the challenge. So if the lawsuit was known about a year and a half ago, that may explain why they didn't seem like themselves....[/QUOTE]
I didn't say you were discrediting her because we heard about the lawsuit late, I was just referring to others who have said that, not necessarily just on vevmo but on the comments on the bottom of the article people were saying stuff like why is she just talking now? And that she's a drunk and whatever else. I was just saying it's not uncommon for people to wait a while before they talk about something like that, not saying I 100% believe her and I won't believe they did it until it's proven but I wouldn't be extremely surprised if it's true.
[QUOTE=brunett;284815]So quick to jump to conclusions - the reason I was wondering was because I'd been wondering if that was why Kenny and Evan weren't really acting like themselves in the last challenge (Rivals). Neither of them performed well and I could tell their minds were somewhere else, not on the challenge. So if the lawsuit was known about at the time, that may explain why they didn't seem like themselves....that's all I was saying.[/QUOTE]
I mean that's a pretty big jump to make, none of us have any way of knowing why they performed the way they did.
So if MTV knew of these charges for the last year, its quite strange that they've building a strong professional relationship with Kenny(Jersey Shore Hook Ups and just recently MTV Geek). Wouldn't it have been in their best interests to distance themselves from him?
Wow. The challenges are over. I hope something like that didn't happen. Everyone knows Tonya as unstable. They will probably bring in some witnesses to testify.
But you know what? I think the guys were out of control with how they treated women on the Ruins. I remember a dailie and Kenny and Evan put their head in Susie's crotch! I was shocked. But she seemed to laugh it off. That could have been seen as sexual harrassment had she complained. And in those guys mind they are just pranksters joking around. Well there jokes may have gone too far.
[QUOTE=beecee;284822]I mean that's a pretty big jump to make, none of us have any way of knowing why they performed the way they did.
So if MTV knew of these charges for the last year, its quite strange that they've building a strong professional relationship with Kenny(Jersey Shore Hook Ups and just recently MTV Geek). Wouldn't it have been in their best interests to distance themselves from him?[/QUOTE]
LOL, if you say so, but that's nonetheless what I think may have been the reason, as I imagine no man wants to be accused of rape, even if they know there won't be any jail time, it will ruin their reputation forever and they know it.
As for the show distancing themselves, probably not, since they are in this together and they probably figured Kenny and Evan make good TV. They ultimately want ratings. Anyway, I believe Tonya, I think Kenny and Evan did what she claims they did.
Well according to Tonya other women complained of girls complained about it but nothing ever happened. I'm trying to think of which ones it could be...I'd assume it would be girls that havent came back to a challenge like Kim or Veronica.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;284825]Well according to Tonya other women complained of girls complained about it but nothing ever happened. I'm trying to think of which ones it could be...I'd assume it would be girls that havent came back to a challenge like Kim or Veronica.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe Johanna - I doubt Johanna complained but towards the end you could tell she wanted out of these challenges and away from these people.
[QUOTE=Blue123;284818]I didnt say you were discrediting her because we heard about the lawsuit late, I was just referring to others who have said that, not necessarily just on vevmo but on the comments on the bottom of the article people were saying stuff like why is she just talking now? And that she's a drunk and whatever else. I was just saying it's not uncommon for people to wait a while before they talk about something like that, not saying I 100% believe her and I wont believe they did it until it's proven but I wouldn't be extremely surprised if it's true.[/QUOTE]
I agree...I hope she wins.
[QUOTE=brunett;284826]or maybe johanna - i doubt johanna complained but towards the end you could tell she wanted out of these challenges and away from these people.[/QUOTE]
Doubt it was Johanna. She's been close with Kenny and Evan for a long time. She also spent the majority of the Ruins sharing a bed with Kenny. I don't think most women would willingly cuddle with a guy they've just gone and said sexually assaulted someone.
And as for it affecting their performance on Rivals? I very much doubt that's the reason. Evan has said he wanted to leave from the beginning for school and his girlfriend. Kenny has never been good at anything involving agility. The claim was filed a YEAR before Rivals started filming. If anything it would overlap with Kenny's filming of the FM2 aftershows and reunion and promoting that season.
[QUOTE=JL81790;284828]Doubt it was Johanna. She's been close with Kenny and Evan for a long time. She also spent the majority of the Ruins sharing a bed with Kenny. I don't think most women would willingly cuddle with a guy they've just gone and said sexually assaulted someone.
And as for it affecting their performance on Rivals? I very much doubt that's the reason. Evan has said he wanted to leave from the beginning for school and his girlfriend. Kenny has never been good at anything involving agility. The claim was filed a YEAR before Rivals started filming. If anything it would overlap with Kenny's filming of the FM2 aftershows and reunion and promoting that season.[/QUOTE]
no, Fresh Meat 2 aired in April 2010 (and the lawsuit was filed in May 2010) - meaning it was filmed months before there was any knowledge of the suit. Really, why over-analyze? It's my opinion as to what may have been the reason. I'm sure this isn't the first time Kenny and Evan have had to leave behind school/work/girlfriends for a month to film a challenge, this was the only time they seemed really down, and I think this lawsuit had something to do with it. If you don't...fine. it's not really something i care to debate about.
[QUOTE=brunett;284830]no, Fresh Meat 2 aired in April 2010 (and the lawsuit was filed in May 2010) - meaning it was filmed months before there was any knowledge of the suit. Really, why over-analyze? It's my opinion as to what may have been the reason. I'm sure this isn't the first time Kenny and Evan have had to leave behind school/work/girlfriends for a month to film a challenge, this was the only time they seemed really down, and I think this lawsuit had something to do with it. If you don't...fine. it's not really something i care to debate about.[/QUOTE]
Which is why I said the aftershows and reunion which film while the season is airing and not the season itself. There's nothing wrong with you having an opinion, it is MY opinion that yours seems a little farfetched. My opinion is that it's quite a leap to say that because Kenny fell off some stuff that he was nervous about getting convicted for sexual abuse. Seems a little pot-kettle when talking about over-analysis.
[QUOTE=brunett;284830]no, Fresh Meat 2 aired in April 2010 (and the lawsuit was filed in May 2010) - meaning it was filmed months before there was any knowledge of the suit. Really, why over-analyze? It's my opinion as to what may have been the reason. I'm sure this isn't the first time Kenny and Evan have had to leave behind school/work/girlfriends for a month to film a challenge, this was the only time they seemed really down, and I think this lawsuit had something to do with it. If you don't...fine. it's not really something i care to debate about.[/QUOTE]
Kenny was also on the original cast of Cutthroat, which filmed in the summer of 2010. I don't see why he'd be asked in the event that it was a big deal/true at the time.
ha and it's typical of Emilee to respond "from what I heard..." Like Johnny said, Emilee is always gossiping. She always thinks she knows everyone's business and gossip.
[QUOTE=JL81790;284831]Which is why I said the aftershows and reunion which film while the season is airing and not the season itself. There's nothing wrong with you having an opinion, it is MY opinion that yours seems a little farfetched. My opinion is that it's quite a leap to say that because Kenny fell off some stuff that he was nervous about getting convicted for sexual abuse. Seems a little pot-kettle when talking about over-analysis.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily convicted, because the incident occurred in Thailand, so he can't face criminal charges here in the USA. But I'll bet he was nervous that his reputation could be totally ruined. I don't think it's that far-fetched, rape is the last thing any guy wants to be accused of.
And yeah on the aftershow we got to see him for all of 1 hour with 10-15 other people on stage, hardly indicitive of his state of mind/mood. So I don't see your point. I think that being accused of rape would take a toll on any man who is aware of how damaging it can be to his reputation.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;284832]Kenny was also on the original cast of Cutthroat, which filmed in the summer of 2010. I don't see why he'd be asked in the event that it was a big deal/true at the time.[/QUOTE]
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer--wait until Kenny and Evan file an answer denying the claim before you sell them down the river so they don't flip for Tonya and sell out BMP from the get-go maybe if there is truth to the case????
I'm no expert but I am wondering if Tonya's lawyers made a mistake--sure BMP/MTV can agree to toll the statute of limitations as to them, but I don't see how they can agree to toll it for anybody else so the statute of limitations may have run for a claim against any of the John Does who aren't BMP/MTV employees. If that be the case and there is truth to the alleged basic facts, it seems possible that BMP might put this on independent crew members or employees of a different company doing all the production pressure where recovery might be barred by time.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;284637]Yeah and on this forum we have even more people who weren't there and don't even know these people going around claiming that Kenny and Evan are sick rapists who need to go to jail.
So if we're looking at it like that, then there's a bunch of members here who need to keep their mouths shut as well.[/QUOTE]
You're right about the posts here stating that they totally believe Evan and Kenny did it and should be prosecuted. But the thing with cast members speaking about it (whether saying Tonya is crazy and made it up or saying Kenny and Evan for sure would do something like that) is that they might be seen as in the know because they are on the shows and people may take their statements at face value. Of course Melinda, Emilee, and whoever else have a right to their opinion, but they, as well as us, were not there.
Something I had not seen being discussed (my apologizes if it was) - and not to get graphic with this, but I think it's worth mentioning - is that I think a woman would feel weird down there if someone rubbed a toothbrush in their genital area. Even if they didn't know what happened, they would probably wonder why they felt odd. Maybe it is possible that she voiced concerns or that she may have asked what happened the previous night?
And not to make light of this situation, but to discuss this because I think it could have happened as a consequence of what allegedly happened, do you think this situation may have impacted who was voted into the elimination round of The Ruins? Maybe they wanted to get rid of certain people who may have know, or who they may have thought would not believe them (or instead, believe Tonya)?
[QUOTE=RW561015;284836]You're right about the posts here stating that they totally believe Evan and Kenny did it and should be prosecuted. But the thing with cast members speaking about it (whether saying Tonya is crazy and made it up or saying Kenny and Evan for sure would do something like that) is that they might be seen as in the know because they are on the shows and people may take their statements at face value. Of course Melinda, Emilee, and whoever else have a right to their opinion, but they, as well as us, were not there.
[B]Something I had not seen being discussed (my apologizes if it was) - and not to get graphic with this, but I think it's worth mentioning - is that I think a woman would feel weird down there if someone rubbed a toothbrush in their genital area. Even if they didn't know what happened, they would probably wonder why they felt odd. Maybe it is possible that she voiced concerns or that she may have asked what happened the previous night?[/B][/QUOTE]
If you go back to the link and read the complaint, she was passed out to where they couldn't get her awake that night and she did have "down there" pain the next day but she thought it was because of all the physical activity of competition at first.
[QUOTE=FishHooks;284837]If you go back to the link and read the complaint, she was passed out to where they couldn't get her awake that night and she did have "down there" pain the next day but she thought it was because of all the physical activity of competition at first.[/QUOTE]
OK, thanks. Being a woman myself, that is something I definitely thought was valid to mention.
And I just read the E! article in which she mentioned seeing lacerations and abrasions down there.
I know some people wanted to know what other cast members were saying.
Trishelle, Ruthie, Johnny and Theo all tweeted things.
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I don't know what happened, like most of us here. I'm not going to speculate on that.
I do think that whoever is expecting the cast members who were there to speak up publicly shouldn't hold their breath. If they have any sense, none of them will be saying anything about it to anyone...and especially not on Twitter or elsewhere online, because all that is discoverable in court. They'd have to be an idiot to put stuff out there just to have some lawyer throw it in their face later. Plus, MTV/BMP is who pays them and who's largely responsible for their quasi-fame...I don't know how many of them have the integrity, courage and financial ability to bite the hand that feeds them.
It's also interesting that even after MTV/BMP was aware of these allegations, Evan and Kenny were still invited to challenges. Maybe they thought this would never become public and we'd all be none the wiser, so why not rake in the ratings that having those two brings? It sure makes them look bad now though. They might've been able to save face by not involving those two in future challenges in case this ever got out (whether it's true or not)...then they'd be able to tell us "Oh, we were horrified by these allegations, blah blah". Obviously they weren't though. Thoughts on that?
[QUOTE=Lionqueen11;284842]wow, im very shocked, whats going to happen next if the case goes to court?[/QUOTE]
Molds13 jumps out the window after the 1,000th person asks her for trial spoilers I think :search:
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