The people that probably know are the members of the champion team. I wouldn't assume Brad or Kelly would know...they may not have been in the room when this alleged incident happened because they were on another team and had their own room. Of course Emilee needs to stick her 2 cents in. Surprised..nope.
Wow, can't believe I woke up to this. I really don't want to believe it's true, but I doubt Tonya would file a suit without any merit. What's sad is I can see this being another one of those pranks that just went too far. Peculiar that she never filed a suit against Veronica and company for taking naked pictures of her when she was passed out on the Inferno 2.
Honestly though, I think it's best for the vevmo community to put away their torches and pitchforks until there's a trial and a ruling. At the moment, some of the comments posted in this thread make it seem as though people were just dying for something like this to happen to Kenny or Evan. This is a serious allegation, you never want something like this to be true, even if the defendants come off as jerks on television.
[QUOTE=flyers014;284606]I see people talking about criminal charges, could this be that she is sueing in civil court not in criminal court? That she is just looking to get paid? I just read the article and what I don't understand is how she knows it happened if she was passed out.[/QUOTE]The alleged crime took place in Thailand, not the US, so civil court is likely her best option for justice.
People seem to be waiting on other cast members to confirm or deny, which doesn't make much sense. Hopefully the whole cast wasn't standing in the room watching (and in the US, if they were in the room at the time, they would be considered accomplices to the rape, so no more likely to be admitting their guilt than Kenny and Evan). They are all going on rumor and innuendo as well. Certainly they were closer to the situation than any of us, so have greater reason to believe their opinions, but end of the day, that's all they have - opinions. Hopefully if this is true, BMP will not have covered up the video evidence, and all those involved will be punished to the full extend of the law. BMP included.
[QUOTE=ClubSandwich;284618]
Honestly though, I think it's best for the vevmo community to put away their torches and pitchforks until there's a trial and a ruling. At the moment, some of the comments posted in this thread make it seem as though people were just dying for something like this to happen to Kenny or Evan. This is a serious allegation, you never want something like this to be true, even if the defendants come off as jerks on television.[/QUOTE]
Completely agree with this.
Regardless of the edits people get on this show, most members don't know Kenny or Evan personally. So it's really no one's place to assume they are capable of doing this and to talk about them as if they've already been found guilty. Being a ******* on camera and actually physically assaulting someone are two very different things.
My two cents: If this story is true and the person reporting it was Kenny's girlfriend or Evan's girlfriend, do you think those guys or their buddies like Johnny would view it as a joke or a prank (like some other posters think it might have been)? And if the story isn't true, don't you think Kenny and Evan would be inclined to take their girlfriends' sides anyway? What if the woman reporting it was someone other than Tonya? Would it seem like less of a joke then? For the guys claiming it's not that big a deal, imagine if it happened to your girlfriend or your sister... still a joke? For the girls claiming it's not that big a deal, imagine if it happened to you... still a joke?
Like everyone else on this board, I have no idea if the story is true or not. A lot of us have complained about how the challenges have gone downhill over the last few years and are more mean-spirited... maybe it's worse than we thought but the players were contractually obligated not to say anything. Or it could be that there's no truth at all to this story, who knows? Tonya has definitely had issues before, some of her own making, but if she was just after attention or money, why not accuse everyone instead of just Kenny and Evan (namely Johnny, who's attached at the hip to those guys) and why not say they did other things to her? The fact that she was so specific in her accusation, as well as having seen the behavior of Kenny and Evan (and others) on the challenges that wouldn't be tolerated in real life, makes me lean more to the side of Tonya telling the truth about this. I don't think anything will come of the lawsuit though, just because it sounds like there's really no way to prove it. I just hope Tonya comes through this okay and can stay strong in the face of what is certainly going to be a lot of name-calling sent in her direction.
[QUOTE=missor88;284619]The alleged crime took place in Thailand, not the US, so civil court is likely her best option for justice.
[B]People seem to be waiting on other cast members to confirm or deny, which doesn't make much sense.[/B] Hopefully the whole cast wasn't standing in the room watching (and in the US, if they were in the room at the time, they would be considered accomplices to the rape, so no more likely to be admitting their guilt than Kenny and Evan). They are all going on rumor and innuendo as well. Certainly they were closer to the situation than any of us, so have greater reason to believe their opinions, but end of the day, that's all they have - opinions. Hopefully if this is true, BMP will not have covered up the video evidence, and all those involved will be punished to the full extend of the law. BMP included.[/QUOTE]
The new psych test to be on the Challenges, only a 1 season renewal (read as Let's wait and see which way this goes down), and no public statement denying or even "we are investigating and take these things seriously" by either BMP or MTV leads me to believe they have known for awhile about this allegation and there must be something to it. In a scandal that could damage your company, just hanging up everytime a reporter from a major outlet calls just doesn't seem like the best PR stance to be taking.
I don't take any denial by a member of the cast seriously--they either wouldn't have been there or are worried about their/their friends' reputations in my opinion. I further imagine that the word "raped" is maybe putting people on the defensive as it could have been more like "Hey, Let's stick Chet or whoever's toothbrush down Tonya's panties while she's passed out. It'll be fun to see his reaction when he finds out".
[QUOTE=FishHooks;284598]The medical malpractice was not an analogy to this but an example as to that courts can throw out contracts. I'm not a law student, but based on the article I don't think they are using Respondent Superior at all--I think they are going after BMP as a co-conspirator/accessory. I assume they would also argue that since BMP owed her a duty to protect her when she was passed out assuming BMP put the alcohol in the house.[/QUOTE]
There is no such thing as a co-conspirator/accessory in civil court, those are criminal concepts. I think you are trying to say that they are suing them directly for the cover up which is exactly what I said. The closest thing to those concepts is Respondent Superior which is suing an employer for the employees actions but you cannot do that for intentional torts. With whether they owed her a duty to protect, that only comes into play if she sues BMP for negligence which she might also have on there, but you cannot get punitive damages for negligence; therefore, the only damages she will get are actual damages and there might not be any. On the other point, yea of course contracts can be thrown out and I see what you are saying now but I guess I got confused because you used medical malpractice as an example as I have never heard of anyone that tried to contract out of medical malpractice. That is pretty much the reason why there is insurance.
[QUOTE=FishHooks;284624][B]The new psych test to be on the Challenges, only a 1 season renewal (read as Let's wait and see which way this goes down), and no public statement denying or even "we are investigating and take these things seriously" by either BMP or MTV leads me to believe they have known for awhile about this allegation[/b] and there must be something to it. In a scandal that could damage your company, just hanging up everytime a reporter from a major outlet calls just doesn't seem like the best PR stance to be taking.[/QUOTE]
Ding ding ding...
[QUOTE=molds13;284626]Ding ding ding...[/QUOTE]
If this is the case then the fact that Kenny and Evan were on Rivals makes me think that BMP knows what really did happen.
And to whoever is saying that Kenny and Evan definitely did it because they treat people horribly: really? Because these two guys act like d-bags a lot of the time makes you 100% sure that they raped someone with a toothbrush? Really? I say wait for the facts to come out before assuming anything.
[QUOTE=FishHooks;284624]The new psych test to be on the Challenges, only a 1 season renewal (read as Let's wait and see which way this goes down), and no public statement denying or even "we are investigating and take these things seriously" by either BMP or MTV leads me to believe they have known for awhile about this allegation and there must be something to it. In a scandal that could damage your company, just hanging up everytime a reporter from a major outlet calls just doesn't seem like the best PR stance to be taking.
I don't take any denial by a member of the cast seriously--they either wouldn't have been there or are worried about their/their friends' reputations in my opinion. I further imagine that the word "raped" is maybe putting people on the defensive as it could have been more like "Hey, Let's stick Chet or whoever's toothbrush down Tonya's panties while she's passed out. It'll be fun to see his reaction when he finds out".[/QUOTE]
Yes, I definitely agree that this has been brewing for a while and has only just now hit the public field of view.
But, to be clear, her charge is that they inserted the toothbrush [I]into [/I]her. Not that they only put it down her panties. So regardless of how people like to dismiss and qualify rape, this is most definitely a charge of rape. And again, as a woman, sticking something into our ******s without informed consent is a horrifying violation and most definitely rape. No matter how funny the guys doing it thought it was.
I think it's pretty low that people like Melinda and Emilee have taken to their twitter and facebooks to say they think Tonya is nuts or laugh about the situation. This doesn't involve them nor were either present or even related to any of the events that took place so they should really just keep their mouth closed. They might have had beef with Tonya (at least Melinda did on FM if I remember correctly) but to take that petty beef and hate on someone when something so serious is involved just seems tacky and low to me. Stay out of it and let the law take it's course. Not surprised that Emilee of all people would have decided to put this situation on blast though, that girl will do anything to try and stay relevant.
[QUOTE=CHill;284634]I think it's pretty low that people like Melinda and Emilee have taken to their twitter and facebooks to say they think Tonya is nuts or laugh about the situation. This doesn't involve them nor were either present or even related to any of the events that took place so they should really just keep their mouth closed. They might have had beef with Tonya (at least Melinda did on FM if I remember correctly) but to take that petty beef and hate on someone when something so serious is involved just seems tacky and low to me. Stay out of it and let the law take it's course. Not surprised that Emilee of all people would have decided to put this situation on blast though, that girl will do anything to try and stay relevant.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and on this forum we have even more people who weren't there and don't even know these people going around claiming that Kenny and Evan are sick rapists who need to go to jail.
So if we're looking at it like that, then there's a bunch of members here who need to keep their mouths shut as well.
[QUOTE=missor88;284630]Yes, I definitely agree that this has been brewing for a while and has only just now hit the public field of view.
But, to be clear, her charge is that they inserted the toothbrush [I]into [/I]her. Not that they only put it down her panties. So regardless of how people like to dismiss and qualify rape, this is most definitely a charge of rape. And again, as a woman, sticking something into our ******s without informed consent is a horrifying violation and most definitely rape. No matter how funny the guys doing it thought it was.[/QUOTE]
I take the allegation seriously. I don't think where I live it would be rape. I think criminally it would be called something like object sexual penetration which I think is considered a form of sodemy, but I'm not certain. I just see that OSP charge a lot associated with taking indecent liberties with a minor charges in the paper (which is even more cringe-worthy to me).
Evan & Kenny may come off as annoying, juvenile ****** bags on television but I think both of them have a little more sense than to do what they've been accused of, especially in that kind of setting.
I think the Ruins was the first challenge that took place after the Duel 2, with what went on there with CT & Adam, I'd like to think that production would have a little more sense too and would've stepped in if anything like that was going on to their knowledge.
Given Tonya's history, I'm not buying her story but if it does check out and is true, this show needs to be axed all together.
[QUOTE=townie;284639]Evan & Kenny may come off as annoying, juvenile ****** bags on television but I think both of them have a little more sense than to do what they've been accused of, especially in that kind of setting.
I think the Ruins was the first challenge that took place after the Duel 2, with what went on there with CT & Adam, I'd like to think that production would have a little more sense too and would've stepped in if anything like that was going on to their knowledge.
[B]Given Tonya's history, I'm not buying her story but if it does check out and is true, this show needs to be axed all together[/B].[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say cancel the show but just ban certain people.
[QUOTE=Fresh Prince;284642]Could someone explain the next step in the process? Is there a court date set?[/QUOTE]
Based on a lawsuit my parents were in, I am guessing they are waiting for the defendants to file their answer which I assume hasn't been done since it wasn't referred to in the article. After that, there is usually a period of discovery where they request evidence, file motions, take out of court testimony, etc. (I assume Tonya will want all the video and BMP will fight giving her anything) followed by efforts to get the judge to throw out the case followed by an actual trial if it does not settle (assuming there is no mediation requirement in the contract--I don't know much about those other than that you don't get a real trial).
Problem with it is that she hasnt seen any actual tape of it happening, she was passed out and has no idea what happened, she is one of the most unstable irrational people on these shows, even compared to a child on the ruins.
Whose alleged toothbrush was it? Who is the one who told Tonya so and so happened, they probably dont like Kenny or Evan I'm guessing, that won't help the case. There is no way this case convicts anyone of anything imo.
Regardless of whether they are guilty or innocent, the damage has been done. As with any rape case, even if the person being charged is proven innocent, their name will always be associated with the instance. People have moved out of their states because they were accused of rape, even after proven innocent.
So in my opinion, whether they did it or not, they will most likely hold the title of the people who raped Tonya with a toothbrush. Who knows what really happened. Perhaps this will cause people to re-evaluate their idea of a "joke".
[QUOTE=Ch@llengeFan;284646]Problem with it is that [B]she hasn't seen any actual tape of it happening[/B], she was passed out and has no idea what happened, she is one of the most unstable irrational people on these shows, even compared to a child on the ruins.
Whose alleged toothbrush was it? Who is the one who told Tonya so and so happened, they probably dont like Kenny or Evan I'm guessing, that won't help the case. There is no way this case convicts anyone of anything imo.[/QUOTE]
And you know this...how?
The fact that this case has gone to trial means something and that's as far in depth as I'm going to get on this subject.
I'm not sure why people are throwing out the innocent until proven guilty statement. That's only applicable in court; in the meantime, you can be smeared all over the court of public opinion (Tot Mom). From what I've read and seen of Evan and Kenny, their real-world personas don't differ much from the characters they play on tv, which absolutely makes them capable of something despicable like this. So yeah, I think they did it.
I honestly don't believe there's any merit to Tonya's claims. Not just because I'm a fan of Evan and Kenny. But because in every other case of assault, the violence was put to an end as soon as possible and the people involved were dealt with. People are always thrown out of the house for throwing punches and castmates are given the opportunity to boot another cast member if they feel "unsafe". Its extremely hard for me to believe this would be standard for fights but not rape.
Another part of Tonya's claim is that this wasn't an isolated incident and that it's common practice for the producers to encourage male castmates to act inappropriately towards female castmates. But I feel like if this were the case, it would be spoken about a lot more. Most of the people on these challenges are extremely accessible, what with Twitter and Facebook and even Formspring. They're also a very vocal bunch. Someone, probably a lot of someones, would have spoken out about being violated, or even simply uncomfortable, with the way producers handled things in the past. But instead, the only negative things ever said about the producers is that they edit things poorly. I mean think about it. Girls flip out in that house constantly over the smallest things, ie Wes pouring soda on Cara Maria's head. And you think they'd all just sit quietly while producers encouraged them to be sexually harassed?
[QUOTE=Aereas;284651]I'm not sure why people are throwing out the innocent until proven guilty statement. That's only applicable in court; in the meantime, you can be smeared all over the court of public opinion (Tot Mom). From what I've read and seen of Evan and Kenny, their real-world personas don't differ much from the characters they play on tv, [B]which absolutely makes them capable of something despicable like this. So yeah, I think they did it[/B].[/QUOTE]
Ridiculous! Not one person on this forum has enough information to give a remotely educated guess as to whether or not her allegations are true. You've seen a few hours of them on the TV and now you think that you understand them well enough to label them as Rapists? Ridiculous!
[QUOTE=Aereas;284651]From what I've read and seen of Evan and Kenny, their real-world personas don't differ much from the characters they play on tv, which absolutely makes them capable of something despicable like this.[/QUOTE]
Care to elaborate? I did read somewhere that they are actually serial rapists...just wanted to get another person to confirm.
[QUOTE=Challenge_Fan;284653]Ridiculous! Not one person on this forum has enough information to give a remotely educated guess as to whether or not her allegations are true. You've seen a few hours of them on the TV and now you think that you understand them well enough to label them as Rapists? Ridiculous![/QUOTE]
I'D say V1 knows enough about them, and possibly the situation. However, I don't think he'd touch this thread with a 10-ft pole...
[QUOTE=molds13;284649]And you know this...how?
The fact that this case has gone to trial means something and that's as far in depth as I'm going to get on this subject.[/QUOTE]
Because the tape doesn't even exist anymore I imagine, even if it does there is no way MTV showed her a tape of herself being raped, that doesn't make any sense. Let me show you a tape of a crime happening that I can be indicted in.
What you said isn't even going in depth on the subject, of course it going to trial means something, this case it happens to mean that MTV isnt worried and doesn't think she has a case or they would have settled outside of court.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;284657]I'D say V1 knows enough about them, and possibly the situation. However, I don't think he'd touch this thread with a 10-ft pole...[/QUOTE]
I think you're missing a few 0's.
[QUOTE=Challenge_Fan;284653]Ridiculous! Not one person on this forum has enough information to give a remotely educated guess as to whether or not her allegations are true. You've seen a few hours of them on the TV and now you think that you understand them well enough to label them as Rapists? Ridiculous![/QUOTE]
I didn't say what I thought "it" was, so maybe it was rape, maybe it was a prank. I don't know, and I don't care to speculate about what the actual event might be because it will come to light eventually. As far as having an opinion on whether or not I think they could do something like that, yeah I have an opinion. So do you. It's good to discuss our opinions especially when they differ. Otherwise, what would be the point of Vevmo? :give_rose:
[QUOTE=Ch@llengeFan;284658]Because the tape doesn't even exist anymore I imagine, even if it does there is no way MTV showed her a tape of herself being raped, that doesn't make any sense. Let me show you a tape of a crime happening that I can be indicted in.
What you said isn't even going in depth on the subject, of course it going to trial means something, this case it happens to mean that MTV isnt worried and doesn't think she has a case or they would have settled outside of court.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure you grasp the seriousness of this. Going to trial alone is AWFUL for BMP and MTV's name. With it being a current case, I wouldn't be surprised if the insurance rates for this upcoming challenge skyrocketed. There are extra costs that are going to be incurred.
Most civil cases never go to trial and are settled out of court regardless of who is guilty or not guilty, simply to keep it quiet from the media. If this case had been settled out of court, we would have never heard anything as it would have been sealed and both parties would have been sworn not to speak of it. Perhaps what BMP offered to settle was a laughable option and Tonya's lawyers feel that they have a better chance taking them for all they intend to. Who knows? Not me, not you.
Bottom line: you (and almost every single member here) do not know and the fact that most people are speculating about what "it means" is laughable because a large majority have no idea how the legal system works.
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