[QUOTE=llcooljonas;222380][url=http://theovon.typepad.com/theoisms/2010/11/third-of-all-transexuals-not-on-my-watch.html]Theo Von : Archives[/url]
This got me so mad that I actually threw up. I've never been so disgusted by the actions of someone from one of these shows before. I really hope Mtv & BMP erase his name from any come-back-sometime list they have.[/QUOTE]
For whatever reason, it's not loading on my computer. Would one of you mind copying/pasting it or PMing it to me?
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;222403]For whatever reason, it's not loading on my computer. Would one of you mind copying/pasting it or PMing it to me?[/QUOTE]
It isn't working on mine either :(
[QUOTE=llcooljonas;222393]It's just disgusting to see someone use what little fame they have to advocate shooting some kid, just because they're not like him. And if one person reads it and because they think he's funny or was on Mtv, they listen to it. It's backward and just threw me for a loop, because I didn't expect it to be as violently bad as it was. Looking at what Laurel said, she had to get up in front of millions of viewers and apologize, but something like this goes unchecked?
And I think I have the flu, but still.[/QUOTE]
Ok, that's definitely true (about the using his little fame to do something like this). I definitely would not put Laurel in the same category for the fact that she did acknowledge her wrong, was drunk and tried to apologize and fix it. He is just on a different level.
Hope you feel better though.
Alright, if people are hating on the "least deserving" winners idea, then lets do the most deserving:
1. Sarah (The Gauntlet)
2. Derrick (The Island)
3. Rachel (The Duel 2)
4. Landon (Freshmeat 2)
5. Mike (Battle of the Seasons)
6. Evan (The Duel 2)
7. Jodi (The Duel)
8. Wes (The Duel)
9. Alton (The Gauntlet 2)
10. Evelyn (The Inferno 3)
[QUOTE=rsox813;222411]Alright, if people are hating on the "least deserving" winners idea, then lets do the most deserving:
1. Sarah (The Gauntlet)
2. Derrick (The Island)
3. Rachel (The Duel 2)
4. Landon (Freshmeat 2)
5. Mike (Battle of the Seasons)
6. Evan (The Duel 2)
7. Jodi (The Duel)
8. Wes (The Duel)
9. Alton (The Gauntlet 2)
10. Evelyn (The Inferno 3)[/QUOTE]
While I disagree/agree with some on your list, I'll only address one and that's Evelyn. Ev definitely helped the Bad ***** win some missions and the final, but that's about it. Among other changes I'd take her off and put Kina for her Gauntlet 2 win or Susie for the Ruins. Both were good players in missions, won numerous eliminations, and Susie played a big role in the final. Kaite for the Inferno may also be able to make the list as well.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;222419]While I disagree/agree with some on your list, I'll only address one and that's Evelyn. Ev definitely helped the Bad ***** win some missions and the final, but that's about it. Among other changes I'd take her off and put Kina for her Gauntlet 2 win or Susie for the Ruins. Both were good players in missions, won numerous eliminations, and Susie played a big role in the final. Kaite for the Inferno may also be able to make the list as well.[/QUOTE]
Seriously? She was a [I]huge[/I] part of why the Bad ***** won so many missions. If anything, I'd have a bigger issue with Wes winning the Duel--that was more a combo of luck and other's stupidity. And Rachel and Jodi winning their respective Duels--neither of them ever went into a Duel.
[QUOTE=rsox813;222411]Alright, if people are hating on the "least deserving" winners idea, then lets do the most deserving:
1. Sarah (The Gauntlet)
2. Derrick (The Island)
3. Rachel (The Duel 2)
4. Landon (Freshmeat 2)
5. Mike (Battle of the Seasons)
6. Evan (The Duel 2)
7. Jodi (The Duel)
8. Wes (The Duel)
9. Alton (The Gauntlet 2)
10. Evelyn (The Inferno 3)[/QUOTE]
I'd switch Derrick and Evelyn on position and challenge. Derrick was more of a factor in the Inferno 3, and Evelyn was more of a factor on the Island. Also what Ev accomplished on the Island is one of the most deserving victories on a challenge, maybe the most. Colin on Battle of the Sexes is a big one, winning that challenge on a busted ankle is pretty crazy. Katie on the Inferno is another that should be given note, she had a her team trying to get rid of her, beat two superior challengers (one a male) in infernos and helped in the final challenge. I would put Landon as the most deserving player on the Gauntlet 2. He and Alton were paired up constantly so it's hard to separate their efforts, but Landon performed flawlessly where as Alton screwed up a couple times.
I don't agree with most of those. I would say
1. Sarah (Gauntlet 1)
2. Katie (Inferno 1)
3. Dan (Battle of the Sexes 2)
4. Kina (Gauntlet 2)
5. Derrick (Inferno 3)
6. Frank (Gauntlet 3)
7. Evelyn (Island)
8. Susie (The Ruins)
9. Landon (Fresh Meat 2)
[SPOILER]10. Brad (Cutthroat)[/SPOILER]
The most deserving winners are Evan, Wes, Rachel, and Jodi simply because they won an individual challenge. I don't see how you can possibly leave them off the list.
I would still leave Jodi off that list. In my eyes she isn't a stand out competitor. Yes, she won challenges on the Duel, but most of those were partner challenges and she was always partnered with either Evan or CT, who are clearly some of the strongest competitors. Also, she lost to Veronica on Inferno 2, and didn't really prove anything on Gauntlet 2. I just can't call her a top competitor, even if she did win an individual challenge.
[QUOTE=fabulous788;222441]I would still leave Jodi off that list. In my eyes she isn't a stand out competitor. Yes, she won challenges on the Duel, but most of those were partner challenges and she was always partnered with either Evan or CT, who are clearly some of the strongest competitors. Also, she lost to Veronica on Inferno 2, and didn't really prove anything on Gauntlet 2. I just can't call her a top competitor, even if she did win an individual challenge.[/QUOTE]
I see your point about I2 and G2, but this list is only in reference to her win on the Duel. And yes, many of the challenges were partnered, but she won plenty on her own as well. In fact, the only paired challenge that she won on the female duel day was the last one with the surfboards. All the other paired challenges she won was on male duel days, when the guys got to choose their partners--my guess is Evan or CT were pretty quick and were also big enough to shove other guys out of the way to get to Jodi first. I do think she should have gone into a Duel or two, but she did win it fair, and I think she deserved it.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;222445]I see your point about I2 and G2, but this list is only in reference to her win on the Duel. And yes, many of the challenges were partnered, but she won plenty on her own as well. In fact, the only paired challenge that she won on the female duel day was the last one with the surfboards. All the other paired challenges she won was on male duel days, when the guys got to choose their partners--my guess is Evan or CT were pretty quick and were also big enough to shove other guys out of the way to get to Jodi first. I do think she should have gone into a Duel or two, but she did win it fair, and I think she deserved it.[/QUOTE]
Do you not see how you just contradicted yourself? Your last post before this one you put down both Jodi and Rachel's wins because they "never went into a Duel" and now you're defending Jodi's win...
Jodi won 7 missions on the Duel, she didn't have to go in because she performed well enough to A. be safe from going in and B. nobody wanting to face her because she's a good competitor.
And yes I was very serious when I said Ev didn't do anything special on the Inferno 3. Please, enlighten me on what she did. She won one lifeshield and other than that she never out-performed anybody. The rest of the team carried their own weight just as much as she did. And she even blatantely lost Giraffic Park for the Bad ***** which resulted in Jenn going home.
Is Ev a great competitor? Of course. Does she always impress me? Yes. Was she a standout deserving winner on the Inferno 3? No.
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;222425]I don't agree with most of those. I would say
1. Sarah (Gauntlet 1)
2. Katie (Inferno 1)
3. Dan (Battle of the Sexes 2)
4. Kina (Gauntlet 2)
5. Derrick (Inferno 3)
6. Frank (Gauntlet 3)
7. Evelyn (Island)
8. Susie (The Ruins)
9. Landon (Fresh Meat 2)
[SPOILER]10. Brad (Cutthroat)[/SPOILER][/QUOTE]
I like your list. It's hard to put only 10 because there's still more who deserve. If this were mine, I'd take off number's 10 and 6, put on Jodi's Duel win and Evan's Duel 2 win. And some re-arragning would be in order, but good list overall.
And just a side note, I wouldn't put Wes on my list at all for winning the Duel because the only thing that got him the win was his soccer past. Maybe if Brad knew in advance that there was gonna be soccer skill involved somewhere along the line he could've practiced so he at least had a chance :rolleyes: I don't even like Brad that much and I still am on his side for that one.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;222450]Do you not see how you just contradicted yourself? Your last post before this one you put down both [B]Jodi and Rachel's wins because they "never went into a Duel" and now you're defending Jodi's win...
Jodi won 7 missions on the Duel, she didn't have to go in because she performed well enough to A. be safe from going in and B. nobody wanting to face her because she's a good competitor.[/B]
And yes I was very serious when I said Ev didn't do anything special on the Inferno 3. Please, enlighten me on what she did. She won one lifeshield and other than that she never out-performed anybody. The rest of the team carried their own weight just as much as she did. And she even blatantely lost Giraffic Park for the Bad ***** which resulted in Jenn going home.
Is Ev a great competitor? Of course. Does she always impress me? Yes. Was she a standout deserving winner on the Inferno 3? No.[/QUOTE]
I've got to agree. Jodi's performances on the challenges were beyond reproach in my book. She really showed up for that one, constantly performed well and deserved her spot.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;222455]I like your list. It's hard to put only 10 because there's still more who deserve. If this were mine, I'd take off number's 10 and 6, put on Jodi's Duel win and Evan's Duel 2 win. And some re-arragning would be in order, but good list overall.
And just a side note, I wouldn't put Wes on my list at all for winning the Duel because the only thing that got him the win was his soccer past. Maybe if Brad knew in advance that there was gonna be soccer skill involved somewhere along the line he could've practiced so he at least had a chance :rolleyes: I don't even like Brad that much and I still am on his side for that one.[/QUOTE]That one final mission is not the only reason I'd put Wes on the list. He beat Derrick in a pole wrestling challenge, he outsmarted Evan, & he beat Brad and CT in the challenge before the final Duel and secured his spot in the Finals. He was really good throughout the entire challenge.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;222450]Do you not see how you just contradicted yourself? Your last post before this one you put down both Jodi and Rachel's wins because they "never went into a Duel" and now you're defending Jodi's win...
Jodi won 7 missions on the Duel, she didn't have to go in because she performed well enough to A. be safe from going in and B. nobody wanting to face her because she's a good competitor.
And yes I was very serious when I said Ev didn't do anything special on the Inferno 3. Please, enlighten me on what she did. She won one lifeshield and other than that she never out-performed anybody. The rest of the team carried their own weight just as much as she did. And she even blatantely lost Giraffic Park for the Bad ***** which resulted in Jenn going home.
Is Ev a great competitor? Of course. Does she always impress me? Yes. Was she a standout deserving winner on the Inferno 3? No.[/QUOTE]
Svetlana wanted to go against Jodi in the Duel but Jodi kept getting safety. So no, there were people who wanted to go against Jodi and take her out. Aneesa was one of them too but Jodi won safety yet again and so Aneesa chose Diem.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;222450]Do you not see how you just contradicted yourself? Your last post before this one you put down both Jodi and Rachel's wins because they "never went into a Duel" and now you're defending Jodi's win...
Jodi won 7 missions on the Duel, she didn't have to go in because she performed well enough to A. be safe from going in and B. nobody wanting to face her because she's a good competitor.
And yes I was very serious when I said Ev didn't do anything special on the Inferno 3. Please, enlighten me on what she did. She won one lifeshield and other than that she never out-performed anybody. The rest of the team carried their own weight just as much as she did. And she even blatantely lost Giraffic Park for the Bad ***** which resulted in Jenn going home.
Is Ev a great competitor? Of course. Does she always impress me? Yes. Was she a standout deserving winner on the Inferno 3? No.[/QUOTE]
I said I had an issue with it--I didn't say she didn't deserve her win. I still think she should have gone into a Duel or two, but that was up to the other girls picking her when she didn't win, and they never did.
As for Evelyn--yes she blatantly lost that one challenge, and only won one lifeshield. However, there were other people on her own team who also DQ'ed on that mission. Plus, she had no idea that the key to getting the right Giraffe was the marks on the feet, and you could tell that the "matching" giraffes didn't match. She won plenty of other challenges which were NOT days that girls could get the life shield. It wasn't considered a "win", but she lasted the longest (and made Alton look like a complete punk) on the Hook Me challenge (where girls were hooked to fishing rods and guys had to reel them in), Ladder Race, Dog Day Afternoon with Kenny, got screwed on Steady as you Go (on her blog, she said Aneesa later took her aside and apologized for screwing up...whether it was intentional or not, we'll never know), and contributed to all the team missions.
[QUOTE=jhl182;222462]Svetlana wanted to go against Jodi in the Duel but Jodi kept getting safety. So no, there were people who wanted to go against Jodi and take her out. Aneesa was one of them too but Jodi won safety yet again and so Aneesa chose Diem.[/QUOTE]
There was one time Aneesa might have had the chance, but she chose Robin (for obvious reasons at the time).
Jodi performed pretty well on the Inferno 2, but had a couple brain cramps that ultimately made her look pretty weak (losing the Juice it Up challenge for her team and her inferno loss to Veronica) but I think she was the best girl on the Gauntlet 2, athletically she always competed, and competed very well, plus she also came up with the winning strategy in one of the challenges (Bucking Bronco). Kina had a couple of notable gauntlet wins (Cara and Jillian) but I'm pretty sure she would have lost to Jodi, just based on the games of the Gauntlet 2.
[quote]And yes I was very serious when I said Ev didn't do anything special on the Inferno 3. Please, enlighten me on what she did[/quote]
I think the 3 biggest things that occurred on the Inferno 3 to ensure a bad guys victory were 1. Timmy DQing in Smash House 2. Derrick winning his Inferno and evening the guys 3. Evelyn being on the bad guys team.
Evelyn was such an advantage in that final, with so much of it rellying on endurance and raw strength it was tailor made for her.
[quote]And yes I was very serious when I said Ev didn't do anything special on the Inferno 3. Please, enlighten me on what she did. She won one lifeshield and other than that she never out-performed anybody. The rest of the team carried their own weight just as much as she did. And she even blatantely lost Giraffic Park for the Bad ***** which resulted in Jenn going home.[/quote]
She was #1 in the Ladder Race, Dog Sled and the climbing net challenges. She destroyed Alton in the fishing hook challenge.
[quote]And just a side note, I wouldn't put Wes on my list at all for winning the Duel because the only thing that got him the win was his soccer past. Maybe if Brad knew in advance that there was gonna be soccer skill involved somewhere along the line he could've practiced so he at least had a chance I don't even like Brad that much and I still am on his side for that one.[/quote]
Would you say that Landon and Carley didn't deserve their win on FM2 because they only won cause they got a head start by being able to kayak themselves?
[QUOTE=v123;222474]She was #1 in the Ladder Race, Dog Sled and the climbing net challenges. She destroyed Alton in the fishing hook challenge.
Would you say that Landon and Carley didn't deserve their win on FM2 because they only won cause they got a head start by being able to kayak themselves?[/QUOTE]
The Dog Day Afternoon mission had her put with Kenny and they were pulling friggen Ace and Cara, Ace was the smallest guy on the entire challenge besides maybe Davis and Cara's easily one of the smallest girls. And Kenny kicked *** on his own that mission especially because he was instructing Ev through it.
In the fishing challenge yeah Ev may have held her own but [I]Abram[/I] was reeling in [I]Paula[/I], obviously he was gonna do that quicker than Alton reeling in Ev.
Either way, I'm sticking to my opinion that Ev was not as impressive as everybody makes her seem to have been on the Inferno 3.
And why would I think Landon and Carley didn't deserve their win? Landon and Carley's time was better than Kenny and Laurel's. In Landon's own words, they "crushed Kenny and Laurel". Wes' time wasn't better than Brad's.
And it's not like Landon used his wrestling past to pin Kenny, Noor, and Pete to earn him a headstart.
You're grasping at straws to discredit Wes. Even if you think his soccer experience is the only reason he won the final challenge, he was still great throughout the challenge. I don't know of too many challengers who could've beaten Derrick in pole wrestling. Not only that but in the 2nd last challenge Wes beat Brad and CT to earn his spot in the Finals.
Even on Fresh Meat, Wes was the Exile king with the worst girl in the cast on his team. How many other challengers could have carried Casey to 3rd place and 5 exile victories?
[QUOTE=Morris1721;222492]The Dog Day Afternoon mission had her put with Kenny and they were pulling friggen Ace and Cara, Ace was the smallest guy on the entire challenge besides maybe Davis and Cara's easily one of the smallest girls. And Kenny kicked *** on his own that mission especially because he was instructing Ev through it.
In the fishing challenge yeah Ev may have held her own but [I]Abram[/I] was reeling in [I]Paula[/I], obviously he was gonna do that quicker than Alton reeling in Ev.
Either way, I'm sticking to my opinion that Ev was not as impressive as everybody makes her seem to have been on the Inferno 3. [/QUOTE]
I'm not sure why I'm continuing to argue, given the fact that nothing is going to change your opinion. But on Dog Day Afternoon, Kenny didn't "instruct" her through it. They counted steps. When the heck else on that challenge did Kenny ever kick ***? Are you really telling me that Kenny, on his own, has more pulling power than DERRICK and ABRAM? So [I]maybe[/I] they had a few lighter pounds (which we don't even know for sure)--they still completely killed it on that mission. And it wasn't just Abram against Paula that Evelyn beat, it was [I]everyone[/I]! And it still doesn't change the fact that she won other missions completely on her own.
But like I said, I don't really know what the point of this is, seeing as how none of it is going to change your mind.
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;222507]You're grasping at straws to discredit Wes. Even if you think his soccer experience is the only reason he won the final challenge, he was still great throughout the challenge. I don't know of too many challengers who could've beaten Derrick in pole wrestling. Not only that but in the 2nd last challenge Wes beat Brad and CT to earn his spot in the Finals.
Even on Fresh Meat, Wes was the Exile king with the worst girl in the cast on his team. How many other challengers could have carried Casey to 3rd place and 5 exile victories?[/QUOTE]
I'm not "grasping" at anything. Nowhere did I said Wes was a bad competitor or he didn't deserve his spot in the finals on either FM or the Duel. I was laying out the fact that had he not had a headstart he would've lost, it's a fact that Brad's time was better than Wes'...Wes deserved to be in the finals, he didn't deserve the win.
That's like them having a motorcycle trivia session before the final. It's Brad's forte. Had there been a fair competition to give out a headstart, it would've been fine and then I would've said Wes' win was legit, but Brad beat him. I don't see how anybody can possibly think of that pre-final event "fair".
[QUOTE=Morris1721;222530]I'm not "grasping" at anything. Nowhere did I said Wes was a bad competitor or he didn't deserve his spot in the finals on either FM or the Duel. I was laying out the fact that had he not had a headstart he would've lost, it's a fact that Brad's time was better than Wes'...Wes deserved to be in the finals, he didn't deserve the win.
That's like them having a motorcycle trivia session before the final. It's Brad's forte. Had there been a fair competition to give out a headstart, it would've been fine and then I would've said Wes' win was legit, but Brad beat him. I don't see how anybody can possibly think of that pre-final event "fair".[/QUOTE]They were in Brazil, so I can see how a soccer competition would be somewhat relevant. That's like when they were canoeing and climbing mountains in Canada. It's just part of the theme of the Challenge. Wes won fair and square, it's not his fault they rules were laid out that way.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;222492]
And why would I think Landon and Carley didn't deserve their win? [B]Landon and Carley's time was better than Kenny and Laurel's.[/B] In Landon's own words, they "crushed Kenny and Laurel". Wes' time wasn't better than Brad's.
And it's not like Landon used his wrestling past to pin Kenny, Noor, and Pete to earn him a headstart.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that Landon and Carley had a better time than Kenny and Laurel WTHOUT the head start? Meaning, that if Carley and Landon started the exact same time as Laurel and Kenny, they still would've won? Because if that was not the case, then the way they "won" was the exact same way Wes had "won". The head starts were the exact same things both with a different specialized sport. Also, Brad already got his cake in that finale. He only made up the time because he finished the puzzle faster. So while Wes is good at soccer, Brad is good at a specific cube puzzle. Maybe if Wes had prepared before hand for a cube puzzle then it could've also been fair. What type of competition, in your opinion would have been fair as a pre event before the finale? Maybe a 50 yard dash? Well what if we find out that Brad did track in high school? What if it was a sudoku puzzle and we found out that Brad does a lot of sudoku in his spare time? ANY pre finale event, or heck, any sort of mission, activity they do on these challenges could be considered unfair unless research has been done on all cast members to make sure that they don't specialize at the proposed event.
Kenny approached Ev for her assistance in Dog Day Afternoon, not the other way around. Ev's making Alton look like a punk doesn't change the fact that she outperformed every girl in that challenge. She had to go up against arguably the toughest guy there, yet she still managed to get the best time. Bringing up Paula and Abram doesn't really make the argument any stronger because Alton is arguably as tough as Abram yet Ev still came out with the best time. Had Ev gone against someone awful like Ryan Kehoe and came out with the best time while Paula still had to go up against Abe and struggled, then that argument would make sense.
[QUOTE=v123;222563][B]Are you saying that Landon and Carley had a better time than Kenny and Laurel WTHOUT the head start? Meaning, that if Carley and Landon started the exact same time as Laurel and Kenny, they still would've won?[/B] Because if that was not the case, then the way they "won" was the exact same way Wes had "won". The head starts were the exact same things both with a different specialized sport. Also, Brad already got his cake in that finale. He only made up the time because he finished the puzzle faster. So while Wes is good at soccer, Brad is good at a specific cube puzzle. Maybe if Wes had prepared before hand for a cube puzzle then it could've also been fair. What type of competition, in your opinion would have been fair as a pre event before the finale? Maybe a 50 yard dash? Well what if we find out that Brad did track in high school? What if it was a sudoku puzzle and we found out that Brad does a lot of sudoku in his spare time? ANY pre finale event, or heck, any sort of mission, activity they do on these challenges could be considered unfair unless research has been done on all cast members to make sure that they don't specialize at the proposed event.[/QUOTE]
Landon stated in his blog that they had to wait 20-25 minutes for Kenny and Laurel to finish.
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