[QUOTE=Superboy;222223]Of course Road Rules has the strongest team. The four guys all around are the strongest four. Wes and Randy? Those are not well rounded competitors. Not to mention Johnnie and Brandon. The girls are pretty even but I think Rachel and Jodi with those four guys would dominate for sure. And i'm surprised Derrick didn't pick Timmy, but i guess they're going by who can compete now.[/QUOTE]
Timmy did cross his mind. Johnny and Kenny also said that they couldn't believe Derrick didn't pick him. Derrick was also going back and forth between Tori and Jodi. I think Jodi was the better pick though, personally. Just more consistent based on what I've seen(which admittedly, is very little).
Randy was a bit random but I think Wes is a good pick. Johnny hates Wes so he has no reason to give him props as a competitor. I'm surprised that Brad was not even a consideration thrown by either of the three guys. I guess neither one of them thinks he's as great as the viewers think. CT came up as well, and I'm sure Johnny would've taken him in a real draft but he joked around and said that he'd probably get sent home the second day for hitting somebody.
I think Ruthie would've also been a good potential candidate for the second girl spot though. I feel like a lot of the challenges lately have been catering to those that are simply big. They need to get some challenges where small people can get the advantage with leverage.
[quote]Beth: hahaha
Robin: strong competitor, but one of the most fragile.
Jenn: yes.
Sarah: Not so bad, but she's easy for others to play.
Julie: yes.
Tonya: hahaha
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Beth is strong. In the Duel she tossed Jodi over the plank like it was nothing. Then she subsequently threw Robin into the water and let's also not forget when she literally reduced and withered away at Svetlana until she was hysterically in tears. In terms of mass and size she's probably the only one who could match Laurel in that aspect though lb for lb I would not say she's the strongest there. However, strength wise in an absolute measurement, she is scary. She has also shown great endurance and seems like someone who could bang out any mental obstacles. Her only weakness is that she likes to quit a lot, and probably doesn't have much explosive speed in a challenge where you'd have to retrieve an item in a short distance, but who cares about explosive speed when you can just wait for the opponent to retrieve the item, beat the **** out of them, then steal it for yourself.
[QUOTE=v123;222224]Timmy did cross his mind. Johnny and Kenny also said that they couldn't believe Derrick didn't pick him. Derrick was also going back and forth between Tori and Jodi. I think Jodi was the better pick though.
Randy was a bit random but I think Wes is a good pick. Johnny hates Wes so he has no reason to give him props as a competitor. I'm surprised that Brad was not even a consideration thrown by either of the three guys. I guess neither one of them thinks he's as great as the viewers think. CT came up as well, and I'm sure Johnny would've taken him in a real draft but he joked around and said that he'd probably get sent home the second day for hitting somebody.
I think Ruthie would've also been a good potential candidate for the second girl spot though. I feel like a lot of the challenges lately have been catering to those that are simply big. They need to get some challenges where small people can get the advantage with leverage.[/QUOTE]
Brad would easily be a better pick than Randy, and Johnny not taking CT is stupid. Yes CT is a loose cannon, but still the best competitor that can compete right now....you take a risk.
[QUOTE=Superboy;222225]Can you please post the link. And Brad would easily be a better pick than Randy.[/QUOTE]
I agree that Brad would be a better pick than Randy. I'm pretty sure Johnny would take CT though if the draft were real. Johnny is pretty smart, and his and Kenny's comments about CT being a liability around gay people was probably just a joke. I don't see how ANYONE could pass up CT.
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Another note, I think it's interesting and funny that Tori attracts so many opinions on her abilities from all sides of the spectrum. Derrick, especially, gives many props to Tori as a competitor. This is the third time he has spoken highly or given nods to her in his podcast blog. Johnny considered Camila the toughest girl on the red team and told Derrick to "get the **** out" after considering Tori over Jodi. Kenny, in the first podcast draft did not think Tori was a top girl, and Abram, in his formspring I believe, said that Paula was the top girl, just that Tori had a better game plan. And then of course you have Evelyn who has in the past, said that Tori was a beast.
Other funny notes
-Nobody really backed Johnny up on his pick for Randy. Derrick didn't sound too keen on that choice
-Both Kenny and Johnny were in agreement that Emily is strong
-Johnny thinks of Jodi very highly as a competitor, he tried to steal her for his draft first lol
-Derrick thinks Chanda is really tough while Kenny didn't know who she was
-Coral is not respected athletically by any of the guys
-All three guys were in agreement that Kelly Anne was a great pick
-no mention of viewer favorites like Brad, Sarah Rice, Jenn, etc. people that you would suspect would be the pick of the litter.
Overall a great podcast. Very funny.
Johnny is so arrogant when it comes to the challenges. I mean really? [SPOILER]He gets sent home from Cutthroat by Ct and Tyler DOESNT. [/SPOILER] He ****** me off more than any other challenger. I also don't like Derrick and Kenny's constant gay and race jokes. If you listen to their podcasts regularly, they talk about it in every one. I also thought that with the addition of Katelynn to the series, people would be a little more mature about her situation, but leave it to these idiots to constantly make jokes. It's almost embarrassing how dumb these guys are. I love the inside info but if Derrick and Kenny had their own show that didn't discuss the challenges, I would never listen. I also hate how they always talk about how stupid everyone is- I mean COME ON. Derrick is arguably one of the most unintelligent guy in Road Rules History and Kenny is pretty much dumb as well. Johnny, I think is a lot smarter than he comes across, but when he talks about the negative qualities in people, it makes me laugh that Derrick and Kenny usually possess the traits he speaks of.
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;222228] I also hate how they always talk about how stupid everyone is- I mean COME ON. Derrick is arguably one of the most unintelligent guy in Road Rules History and Kenny is pretty much dumb as well.[/QUOTE]
What are you judging who is smart and who's dumb based on? The only moments I can think of when I've thought either of them were dumb was when Derrick didn't read the sign on that challenge on the Ruins, and when Evan said neither of them were good at puzzles on the Ruins. I don't think we see enough of anyone to just straight up classify them as dumb.
I think everyone's had some brain ***** on these challenges. Brad didn't know how to spell throne. Landon couldn't spell extremely. Those are some pretty dumb moments, but I wouldn't call them dumb people for them. Wes has some pretty dumb moments when he tries to use words that he has no idea what they mean, like coup, or when he tried to say "irreparable" and came up with "ireplicabamumblemumble".
[QUOTE=JL81790;222239]What are you judging who is smart and who's dumb based on? The only moments I can think of when I've thought either of them were dumb was when Derrick didn't read the sign on that challenge on the Ruins, and when Evan said neither of them were good at puzzles on the Ruins. I don't think we see enough of anyone to just straight up classify them as dumb.
I think everyone's had some brain ***** on these challenges. Brad didn't know how to spell throne. Landon couldn't spell extremely. Those are some pretty dumb moments, but I wouldn't call them dumb people for them. Wes has some pretty dumb moments when he tries to use words that he has no idea what they mean, like coup, or when he tried to say "irreparable" and came up with "ireplicabamumblemumble".[/QUOTE]
I agree. You have no idea how "unintelligent" or intelligent they are so it's just arrogant that you'd call them dumb just by how you perceive them on tv. You can judge their athletic ability because they show it every episode, but they never express their levels of intelligence on these challenges because it's their time to let loose from the real world.
Who do you guys think is the least deserving winner among Challenge winners? I think good arguments could be made for Tonya, Carley, and Jamie. (I tried, I just couldn't think of any guys that didn't earn their wins). Now, I'm not saying they're not good competitors, but that they didn't exactly deserve their wins.
[B]Tonya (The Inferno 3)[/B] - Jenn got targeted for the first 3 Infernos, and the Good Guys chose to send in Aneesa to give them a better chance of winning the final girls' inferno, so Tonya was able to avoid the inferno for A) not being Jenn and B) being a little stronger than Aneesa. And the ****** team was just stronger in the end, Tonya being with 5 very good competitors. She didn't really add too much to the team.
[B]Carley (Freshmeat 2)[/B] - She really dragged Landon down in the exile and final mission. Had Carley been paired up with anyone else, she probably wouldn't have won. Any girl paired up with Landon had a chance at winning.
[B]Jamie (The Inferno 2)[/B] - She avoided going into the Inferno throughout the whole season, after the ******es chose to target the stronger Good Guys (Robin, Jodi, and Julie). Then, the bad *** girls convinced their team to send in Shavonda because she was the weaker competitor, giving themselves a better chance at making it to the final. With only 4 people, 3 of them arguably some of the best challenge competitors ever, it was almost a foregone conclusion that Jamie would win. Jamie did, however, notably helped her team win a few missions, including the memory game.
Well I excluded them because they were "deserving winners" for what they had done to win other challengers, as in Derrick deserved to win the Island, Evan the Duel 2, and Kenny the Inferno 3. And in The Ruins, Evan (along with Susie) solved the puzzle, so he'd definitely partly responsible for the Champions' win. And to me, at least, Derrick & Kenny did so well in all the missions, so they deserved the win as well. I'm not defining deserving/non-deserving on winning or not participating in an elimination round.
I think Tonya was at least as deserving as Janelle on Inferno 3. Whether that's considered very deserving or not is open to interpretation. She got to the end because Susie and Cara were afraid to face her in the Inferno.
Carley's cardio seems pretty terrible, but she was able to perform well enough to hold up her end in two missions (I'll Be There For You, and Airheads), more than almost any other girl including Evelyn (but obviously excluding Laurel). There's no quit in her, and she's good at puzzles.
Jamie was pretty good at most things, and held her own in the finals. She was the fastest girl in the Heart Rate Bungee mission, with a time of two seconds, iirc.
When I think of most undeserving winners, I immediately think of Gauntlet III. Tori threatened to throw missions. She, Rachel M., and Johanna set up the ridiculous situation of putting their only remaining strong guys (Frank and MJ) in the Gauntlet against each other. According to Evan, they didn't even help dig the ****** chest out of the ground at the end. It would be hard to top that group.
Ibis won Gauntlet 2 because Kina didn't want to take out her castmate, even though Ibis was terrible that season. Jillian was taken out at the end instead. I always thought the team should have revolted insisted on a team vote at that point, instead of letting Kina pick her opponent. They were **** lucky it wasn't a long distance race in the finals, although Ibis might have still been able to beat Katie and Aneesa.
Those are my picks.
In the case of Nehemiah, Rachel, and Johanna, the social "thing" they did to avoid going in was that they all happened to be cast for the Austin season of the Real World. Their victory is due to that, the Veteran's team not viewing them as particularly valuable and throwing them in, and the Vets defaulting in the final.
Ibis being spared in G2 is the same story. It was based on having been cast for the same season of Road Rules as Kina.
I certainly don't begrudge them their wins, but it's clear to me that some people are more deserving of their wins, and there are some stragglers who have had victory fall into their laps.
It might be a more positive topic to make a list of "Most Deserving" Challenge winners.
[QUOTE=RMD1;222295]I think if you get to the end and win, you deserve the win.
They all did something to not go in weather it was social or physical.[/QUOTE]
I agree. That's how I think of it, too.
Whoever makes it to the end of a challenge and wins, deserves it. No one deserves it more than another. Whether they lied, cheated or backstabbed they got to the end. That is the way they play the game.
Yes, I agree with you there. But there are some people that "luck" into their wins. So that's what I was kinda getting at. Some people like Brad give it all they got socially and physically, but they have nothing to show for it, whereas some challengers get lucky with the people whose team they are on. It's nothing against Carley, it's just that I don't see her winning Freshmeat 2 without Landon, and had it been Landon & Laurel, I don't see them losing pretty much anything. And it could have been Landon and Laurel together, since it was random at which order partners were selected. Luck is sometimes a factor, which isn't fair, but it's just the way it goes.
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When I think of most undeserving winners, I immediately think of Gauntlet III. Tori threatened to throw missions. She, Rachel M., and Johanna set up the ridiculous situation of putting their only remaining strong guys (Frank and MJ) in the Gauntlet against each other. According to Evan, they didn't even help dig the ****** chest out of the ground at the end. It would be hard to top that group.
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Agreed. I hate Tori she was a ***** in the G3, she put in Jillian every time because she was scared to see an elimination round. I know there is social aspect to the game, but seriously putting in Jillian three times... go in atleast once right after her 2nd win from the gauntlet. Rachel Moyal isn't a good competitor in my opinion, she saw the finals but she didn't even see an elimination round. If you are going to be kept away from eliminations, atleast kick *** in team missions. Did she do that? No.. she didn't stand out at all. All I can say is Nehemiah, Frank, and Jillian deserved their wins in the G3, Johanna, Tori, and Rachel Moyal not so much.
Competitors who are good (stay away from eliminations): Kenny Santucci, Derrick (I3 to Ruins), Brad
Competitors who aren't good (staying away from eliminations): The G3 chicks
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It might be a more positive topic to make a list of "Most Deserving" Challenge winners.
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Good idea, there can be a mixture of this list type.
"Most Deserving" Challenge winners - Good example: Brad
"Best Challengers without a win" - Good example: C.T Tamburello
I didn't put C.T in most deserving challenge winners, cause he doesn't play the game smart getting ino a fight more than half of the time.
In my opinion there will be a couple competitors who are decent-good that will never win one: Aneesa, Paula, Eric, C.T
[QUOTE]Brad has never won a Challenge :/.
Most Deserving Challenger winner - Derrick. Some may say he is just above average but no one can deny he didn't try his **** best till he finally won at I3.
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[B]EDIT: [/B]On what I meant for "most deserving challenge winner" was for competitors who haven't won one yet and deserved to win one. In the case of challengers who actually won before, Derrick would be the number one choice for his dedication of competing again and again. I obviously know Brad Fiorenza never won before.
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Good idea, there can be a mixture of this list type.
"Most Deserving" Challenge winners - Good example: Brad
"Best Challengers without a win" - Good example: C.T Tamburello
I didn't put C.T in most deserving challenge winners, cause he doesn't play the game smart getting ino a fight more than half of the time.
In my opinion there will be a couple competitors who are decent-good that will never win one: Aneesa, Paula, Eric, C.T[/QUOTE]
Brad has never won a Challenge :/.
Most Deserving Challenger winner - Derrick. Some may say he is just above average but no one can deny he didn't try his **** best till he finally won at I3.
As for Gauntlet 3..I still think production's audible about not having the veterans win cause of Easy..lets be honest they had no choice, they had to send him to the hospital..while it made good tv for the underdogs to win, was truly the biggest crime I've ever seen on these shows.
Personally, I think the vets should have told Big Easy to quit or lose the Gauntlet right before the final and then just put a jackpot together (everyone puts in a certain amount of money) and give it to him.
[QUOTE=Warrior;222333]Agreed. I hate Tori she was a ***** in the G3, she put in Jillian every time because she was scared to see an elimination round. I know there is social aspect to the game, but seriously putting in Jillian four times... go in atleast once right after her 2nd win from the gauntlet. Rachel Moyal isn't a good competitor in my opinion, she saw the finals but she didn't even see an elimination round. If you are going to be kept away from eliminations, atleast kick *** in team missions. Did she do that? No.. she didn't stand out at all. All I can say is Nehemiah, Frank, and Jillian deserved their wins in the G3, Johanna, Tori, and Rachel Moyal not so much.
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Tori is not my favorite person ever, but I disagree with you. Tori didn't "put in" Jillian every time, especially not because she was scared. And Jillian only went in three times, not four. Jillian's Gauntlets:
1. Put in by the Vets
2. Put in by the Vets
3. Put in because Janelle wanted to face her
-Tori was a central part of the drama revolving around Jillian's third elimination because the team decided at the beginning of the game that the person chose by the Vets to go in would get their choice as to who they wanted to face. Janelle wanted Jillian and Frank was against it even though for every elimination up to that point the person got to choose and was granted their wish.
But on another note, I disagree that a person at the final can't deserve it more than the others. Yeah you did a good job making it there, but if there was a challenge and somebody went into and won every elimination, I'd say they deserved it more than others. There are even instances where people who made it to the end didn't even deserve it. Look at the Gauntlet 3. The whole reason that the entire Vets team made it to the end except for 5 people was because the Rookies sucked at the mission and half of the missions they won were because the Vets threw them.
Katie, Diem, and even Brad and Kenny did nothing to deserve to make it to the end. You might even be able to throw CT in there. Then there was Evan, Adam, Paula, and Ev who all won Gauntlets. And this had nothing to do with having a strong social game. There was a reason why every Vet went home, Johnny because he ****** off the Vets and CT after the second mission, Beth because she's Beth, Casey and Katie because they sucked, and Danny because he made a deal with the Rookies and got caught.
Yeah I guess the Vets did good on the missions, but had their been a few better Rookies maybe it would've been a more even challenge. Vets got lucky that the Rookies were awful. But this is all just my opinion:biggrin:
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[B]Katie[/B], Diem, and even Brad and Kenny did nothing to deserve to make it to the end.
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Katie never made the finals in the G3, you mistaked her for Robin.
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This got me so mad that I actually threw up. I've never been so disgusted by the actions of someone from one of these shows before. I really hope Mtv & BMP erase his name from any come-back-sometime list they have.
[QUOTE=Blamo;222300]In the case of Nehemiah, Rachel, and Johanna, the social "thing" they did to avoid going in was that they all happened to be cast for the Austin season of the Real World. Their victory is due to that, the Veteran's team not viewing them as particularly valuable and throwing them in, and the Vets defaulting in the final.
Ibis being spared in G2 is the same story. It was based on having been cast for the same season of Road Rules as Kina.
I certainly don't begrudge them their wins, but it's clear to me that some people are more deserving of their wins, and there are some stragglers who have had victory fall into their laps.
[B]It might be a more positive topic to make a list of "Most Deserving" Challenge winners.[/B][/QUOTE]
Sarah from the first Gauntlet!!
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This got me so mad that I actually threw up. I've never been so disgusted by the actions of someone from one of these shows before. I really hope Mtv & BMP erase his name from any come-back-sometime list they have.[/QUOTE]
you actually threw up?
I can't lie, I miss Theo Von, didn't know he was so religious though. Bummer.
[QUOTE=Blamo;222300][B]In the case of Nehemiah, Rachel, and Johanna, the social "thing" they did to avoid going in was that they all happened to be cast for the Austin season of the Real World.[/B] Their victory is due to that, the Veteran's team not viewing them as particularly valuable and throwing them in, and the Vets defaulting in the final.
Ibis being spared in G2 is the same story. It was based on having been cast for the same season of Road Rules as Kina.
I certainly don't begrudge them their wins, but it's clear to me that some people are more deserving of their wins, and there are some stragglers who have had victory fall into their laps.
It might be a more positive topic to make a list of "Most Deserving" Challenge winners.[/QUOTE]
Well Nehemiah went in twice against Alex and Ryan.
[QUOTE=Entropy;222336]Brad has never won a Challenge :/.
Most Deserving Challenger winner - Derrick. Some may say he is just above average but no one can deny he didn't try his **** best till he finally won at I3.
[B]As for Gauntlet 3..I still think production's audible about not having the veterans win cause of Easy[/B]..lets be honest they had no choice, they had to send him to the hospital..while it made good tv for the underdogs to win, was truly the biggest crime I've ever seen on these shows.[/QUOTE]
Well it would be kind of weird to cut Eric a victory check when he wasn't even at the finish line, but in this argument it's all about perception so there really isn't a right or wrong answer.
[QUOTE=ClubSandwich;222382]you actually threw up?
I can't lie, I miss Theo Von, didn't know he was so religious though. Bummer.[/QUOTE]
The last time I threw up was after too much tequila 4 years ago.
[QUOTE=Warrior;222344]Katie never made the finals in the G3, you mistaked her for Robin.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, that exactly what I did haha. I got too caught up in my rant that I wrote Katie. It's funny cause I actually always compare the two and think they're similar. They've got a lot of friends on the challenges, but they're not the most athletic girls.
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This got me so mad that I actually threw up. I've never been so disgusted by the actions of someone from one of these shows before. I really hope Mtv & BMP erase his name from any come-back-sometime list they have.[/QUOTE]
You "threw up??" Because of what he wrote or bad food?
Granted it was tough to read, I didn't even read the whole thing, and it's pretty.... bad (to be tactful) of him to say that, but let's face it, mtv never was very upstanding in terms of moral issues. If they could bring racists, prejudiced people, who says they're suddenly gonna not bring him because of what he wrote.
It doesn't bother me as much, now don't get confused, I'm by no means saying it's right or even humanly to speak about people in that manner, but people always say bad things and I'm not gonna lose any sleep over their opinions.
[QUOTE=cryssy19;222389]You "threw up??" Because of what he wrote or bad food?
Granted it was tough to read, I didn't even read the whole thing, and it's pretty.... bad (to be tactful) of him to say that, but let's face it, mtv never was very upstanding in terms of moral issues. If they could bring racists, prejudiced people, who says they're suddenly gonna not bring him because of what he wrote.
It doesn't bother me as much, now don't get confused, I'm by no means saying it's right or even humanly to speak about people in that manner, but people always say bad things and I'm not gonna lose any sleep over their opinions.[/QUOTE]
It's just disgusting to see someone use what little fame they have to advocate shooting some kid, just because they're not like him. And if one person reads it and because they think he's funny or was on Mtv, they listen to it. It's backward and just threw me for a loop, because I didn't expect it to be as violently bad as it was. Looking at what Laurel said, she had to get up in front of millions of viewers and apologize, but something like this goes unchecked?
And I think I have the flu, but still.
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