The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

I hope RW New Orleans doesn't dissapoint.

Paula needs to win :(

[QUOTE=cystic;164747]Inferno I:[/quote] Cystic you're my new best friend! Thanks dude. I believe the brick one was called Brick Layer or something. Thanks for refreshing my memory.

[QUOTE=Dannyboy;164777]I agree 100% with you. I think people simply don't like Wes and therefore can't give him props for the good competitor he's proven to be. To pick MJ, Theo, Abe, Derrick over Wes to me is simply laughable and not objective at all. I wouldn't be surprised to see lists including Shane, Ryan, Nick, and Ace as guys who would also beat Wes. Also, I don't remember Wes ever having sucked at any mission and people keep bringing up Alton and apparently forgetting how bad he did at some missions on I3. People need to separate the character that we see in TV from the competitor and give props where it's due. I don't like Evan at all, but I have no problem naming him as one as the best competitors we have ever seen in this game. He has perfected every aspect of this game, the physical, social and mental aspects, the strategy, everything. Evan could write a book on how to play this game basically. I can say that about him even though I can't stand what I see of him in TV. I don't care if people want to say that Wes is even at the bottom tier of players in the history of this game. To me Wes is without one bit of hesitation in the Top 10 (and maybe Top 5) of best players we have ever seen. Question his win all you want but having won one of only 2 challenges that have been "everyone on their own", earned him a spot in the Top 10. Having won D1 (regardless of how much people might want to question his win there) earned him that and he has another accomplishments to add to his win on D1.[/QUOTE] Finally, someone on my team! :D Hope that's over... probably not. Aside from that, I hated the Infernos in the first season. They would last like three hours every time.

Wow 10 pages (almost) of people debating whether Wes is great or not. I think that just proves why he keeps getting cast. Love him or hate him, people are talking, and people are watching. And that can only be a good thing for MTV and for the Challenges.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;164735]You would pick MJ borderline, over Wes? Wes will easily out strength and last Darrell, Theo, Abram, Derrick, and MJ. He's in much better shape then all them. Including Mark and Timmy. I'm not knocking on any of them at all, because we all know Derrick is a pitbull, Abe is pyscho, but Theo...? I do like Theo, but him over Wes? The only guys that will for sure beat Wes in an elimination majority of times, say 3 out of 4, would be Alton, CT, Mike, and Landon. You guys, which I'm including basically everyone in the last... 10 pages of recent posts, are knocking on Wes because you don't like him. I hate Kenny, but I can't knock on him for being the best winner in Challenge history.[/QUOTE] I'd definitely take those guys over Wes. They're just as good at the missions and are not selfish babies and actually know how to succeed in a team environment. I'd rather have a solid team player on my team than somebody who thought he was above and beyond the team when he's really not that outstanding. He's not that athletically gifted all-around and his physical strength is vastly overrated; he took almost 20 minutes to beat Derrick in Pole Wrestle despite a drastic size advantage working in his favor. I don't see any of those other guys taking anywhere near that long to beat somebody 160 pounds in something like that regardless of how tenacious Derrick is.

The only thing Wes is really excelled in is swimming. I would pick Abram and Timmy over Wes because they are like CT and Landon in that they seem to be good at everything and the only thing that makes them not as good is their size. Derrick is great at wrestling and had Pole Wrestle had no pole in it, he would have easily beat Wes. MJ I would because he seems to be a team player while Wes is again, his way or no way. Darrell and Theo I don't know so much about but with them, it comes to who I like better. In all the missions on D1 that didn't have to do with swimming Wes didn't do well. I mean, who the **** messes up with building stairs out of crates? I'm sorry, but Wes is not great like he says he is. He may have big arms and screams like a little child who dropped his ice cream but that is it. Also, remember on D1 when Wes said "You can call me c0cky or arrogant all you want but guess what, I'm winning." ? Well guess what Wes, you aren't a winner anymore, so tone down you arrogance just a bit. Leave the c0cky attitude to those who are winning.

[QUOTE=townie;164838]I'd definitely take those guys over Wes. They're just as good at the missions and are not selfish babies and actually know how to succeed in a team environment. I'd rather have a solid team player on my team than somebody who thought he was above and beyond the team when he's really not that outstanding. He's not that athletically gifted all-around and his physical strength is vastly overrated; he took almost 20 minutes to beat Derrick in Pole Wrestle despite a drastic size advantage working in his favor. I don't see any of those other guys taking anywhere near that long to beat somebody 160 pounds in something like that regardless of how tenacious Derrick is.[/QUOTE] So how long do you think it would take Timmy to beat Derrick at pole wrestle? I bet Derrick would beat Timmy at that. I will admit I hated the way Wes acted on the Ruins. The reason he did the, "my way of the high way" on the Ruins was because no one on his team liked him when he first came in the Challenge. He knew he was going to be in the match making every time. So he did what he had to do to, to try and stay out of it. Evan even said he doesn't blame Wes for doing it. Ok lets go back to D1. In all the missions where it was up to them, without a girl partner, Wes got out performed. Duh, Evan and CT were the alpha males. Which, I've already started Wes isn't top 5. He's top 10. Either from the 6th spot to the 10th spot. Faceless, despite Wes being a ******** on the crates, I hope you don't think Evan and Jodi were a ****** team, because they almost lost to Eric and Anessa, only if Anessa stretched her body a little more to grab the flag. Evan gets all this credit because he is probably the best overall player. Social, physical, and mental. Physically, Wes has it. No he isn't as strong as CT, Landon, Alton, and Mike, but his physical strengths are top 10. D1, he won. I'm sure his social game played a huge role in that, did it not? Schemed his way all the way to the end. Mentally.... I don't know. Wes is getting hated on all because of the Ruins, which I've already stated why he did what he did. Let's not forget he took Casey to the finals on FM and won D1. That's top 10 in my book.

[QUOTE=faceless;164842]The only thing Wes is really excelled in is swimming. I would pick Abram and Timmy over Wes because they are like CT and Landon in that they seem to be good at everything and the only thing that makes them not as good is their size. Derrick is great at wrestling and had Pole Wrestle had no pole in it, he would have easily beat Wes. MJ I would because he seems to be a team player while Wes is again, his way or no way. Darrell and Theo I don't know so much about but with them, it comes to who I like better. In all the missions on D1 that didn't have to do with swimming Wes didn't do well. I mean, who the **** messes up with building stairs out of crates? I'm sorry, but Wes is not great like he says he is. He may have big arms and screams like a little child who dropped his ice cream but that is it. [B]Also, remember on D1 when Wes said "You can call me c0cky or arrogant all you want but guess what, I'm winning." ? Well guess what Wes, you aren't a winner anymore, so tone down you arrogance just a bit. Leave the c0cky attitude to those who are winning.[/B][/QUOTE] He said that cause he was winning at the time. Not winning in challenges, but winning the scheming game. Hence why the Evan and CT duel happened. Ruins, yes he was overly cocky and lost.

[QUOTE=faceless;164842]The only thing Wes is really excelled in is swimming. I would pick Abram and Timmy over Wes because they are like CT and Landon in that they seem to be good at everything and the only thing that makes them not as good is their size. Derrick is great at wrestling and had Pole Wrestle had no pole in it, he would have easily beat Wes. MJ I would because he seems to be a team player while Wes is again, his way or no way. Darrell and Theo I don't know so much about but with them, it comes to who I like better. In all the missions on D1 that didn't have to do with swimming Wes didn't do well. I mean, who the **** messes up with building stairs out of crates? I'm sorry, but Wes is not great like he says he is. He may have big arms and screams like a little child who dropped his ice cream but that is it. Also, remember on D1 when Wes said "You can call me c0cky or arrogant all you want but guess what, I'm winning." ? Well guess what Wes, you aren't a winner anymore, so tone down you arrogance just a bit. Leave the c0cky attitude to those who are winning.[/QUOTE] Your first sentence is 100% truth. That whole season, anything that involved distance running, sprinting, climbing, jumping and that sort of stuff, Wes was getting outperformed by Evan, CT, and Brad. Everyone on that challenge knew early on when they did the Ring Toss challenge that Wes was the top swimmer and that was really the only thing he had going for him; ironically, two of the final three challenges were swimming based and Wes won them. Evan and CT were not even remotely concerned about losing to Wes head-to-head in anything. Evan even said repeatedly that he would easily take Wes and that CT was really the only thing standing between him and the money, and CT felt the same way about Evan. Since 3 out of the 4 Duels were strength based, I think Evan should've struck an alliance with CT instead of Wes since they were really each other's only main competition to lose to in Duels. That would've been virtually a guaranteed spot in the finals for both those guys if they would've done that because the only way Wes or Brad would've had a chance to beat either guy in a Duel is if they got Ascender or a fluke flag rip in Push Me.

[QUOTE=townie;164855]Your first sentence is 100% truth. That whole season, anything that involved distance running, sprinting, climbing, jumping and that sort of stuff, Wes was getting outperformed by Evan, CT, and Brad. Everyone on that challenge knew early on when they did the Ring Toss challenge that Wes was the top swimmer and that was really the only thing he had going for him; ironically, two of the final three challenges were swimming based and Wes won them. Evan and CT were not even remotely concerned about losing to Wes head-to-head in anything. Evan even said repeatedly that he would easily take Wes and that CT was really the only thing standing between him and the money, and CT felt the same way about Evan. Since 3 out of the 4 Duels were strength based, I think Evan should've struck an alliance with CT instead of Wes since they were really each other's only main competition to lose to in Duels. That would've been virtually a guaranteed spot in the finals for both those guys if they would've done that because the only way Wes or Brad would've had a chance to beat either guy in a Duel is if they got Ascender or a fluke flag rip in Push Me.[/QUOTE] Since Evans mentality is best man competes and wins, I don't see why he didn't align himself with CT. Wait, I know why, because he was intimidated and wanted the easy win in the final.

Ok, I'm going to do a strengths and weakness list comparing Wes and 4 people he's often compared to, CT, Evan, Kenny and Derrick. I'm not going to go through every single mission or challenge they've done, I'm gonna do overall. Wes: Good at: Swimming, yelling like a child, getting in people's faces, scoring good looking girls. (I would put scheming but he only schemed well once and that was on D1 with Evan) Bad: Throwing challenges, any mission not involving swimming, puzzles (he skipped puzzles in FM and he even said Brad got through the puzzles faster then him on D1) CT: Good at: Basically everything, not getting intimidated by anyone, running, climbing, straight up being a beast Bad: Keeping his cool Evan: Good at: Basically everything like CT but just not as good, maybe a notch under and he doesn't quite intimidate people so he relies on his social game. Bad: I really don't know. Kenny: Good at: Social game for sure. Not the greatest athletically but still decent. Bad: This was a while back but he let the heights mission on I3 get to him, keeping his mouth shut. Derrick: Good at: He's pretty well round - I'd say a notch down from Evan. Bad: Puzzles, being tall.

Good list you just forgot a couple of things. Derrick has as a bad : not reading instructions and Evan as a bad: getting flustered as was the case in the Duel 2 agianst Nehemiah. Besides that really good job.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;164859]Since Evans mentality is best man competes and wins, I don't see why he didn't align himself with CT. Wait, I know why, because he was intimidated and wanted the easy win in the final.[/QUOTE] Its actually pretty smart to allign yourself with someone you think you can beat. Obviously it didnt work out for Evan, but it worked out in the 2nd duel.

[QUOTE=morris614;164877]Its actually pretty smart to allign yourself with someone you think you can beat. Obviously it didnt work out for Evan, but it worked out in the 2nd duel.[/QUOTE] Rachel definitely manipulated Aneesa into picking Tori for the Duel because she knew Tori could beat her. So I agree that alligning yourself with someone you can beat could help you in the end.

Yeah I'd say a bad for Evan is that he gets flustered and nervous in elimination rounds.

You guys forgot the first part of my sentence. I was going off of Evan's mentality which was, "may the best man win." That's how he is, so he should have aligned himself with CT. Faceless, try and put your hate towards Wes away and judge him on what he's actually good at. Everything you've stated on his good side were negatives. I could have easily said CT is good at; getting in everyones face, yelling and saying stupid things, "I'll smash his head and eat it." Getting kicked off challenges for fighting, ect. Brad could have won both Duels, but like you've stated, "making you a good competitor, you have to roll with the punches." I'm not saying he isn't a good competitor, but wasn't there a time in D1 where after the puzzles it showed Wes and Brad running right next to each other. Member Wes saying, "not only has be been trailing me, but he passes me." Wes ends up beating him to the teetor totter probably by a good 5 minutes and pulls away to win by balancing better. D2, he had a huge lead on Evan. Don't really know how to explain this one on his loss. His legs kept cramping up? I actually think Brad is a better overall player than Derrick, and would rather have him on my team. Well, in missions, yes I'd rather have Brad. In an elimination, I could go with either one.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;164886]You guys forgot the first part of my sentence. I was going off of Evan's mentality which was, "may the best man win." That's how he is, so he should have aligned himself with CT. Faceless, try and put your hate towards Wes away and judge him on what he's actually good at. Everything you've stated on his good side were negatives. I could have easily said CT is good at; getting in everyones face, yelling and saying stupid things, "I'll smash his head and eat it." Getting kicked off challenges for fighting, ect. Brad could have won both Duels, but like you've stated, "making you a good competitor, you have to roll with the punches." I'm not saying he isn't a good competitor, but wasn't there a time in D1 where after the puzzles it showed Wes and Brad running right next to each other. Member Wes saying, "not only has be been trailing me, but he passes me." Wes ends up beating him to the teetor totter probably by a good 5 minutes and pulls away to win by balancing better. D2, he had a huge lead on Evan. Don't really know how to explain this one on his loss. His legs kept cramping up? [B]I actually think Brad[/B] [B]is a better overall player than Derrick, and would rather have him on my team. Well, in missions, yes I'd rather have Brad. In an elimination, I could go with either one.[/B][/QUOTE] Well in an elimination on the Gauntlet 2 Derrick put a beatdown on Brad. And didn't Derrick push Brad off a plank into the water in a challenge on The Duel ? I think so. Derrick owns Brad, that's enough for me to put Derrick on my team over Brad and the fact Derrick has won 3 challenges and Brad hasn't won any.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;164890]Well in an elimination on the Gauntlet 2 Derrick put a beatdown on Brad. And didn't Derrick push Brad off a plank into the water in a challenge on The Duel ? I think so. Derrick owns Brad. That's enough for me to put Derrick on my team over Brad.[/QUOTE] A beat down on Brad? It was a trivial game. Would you rather have Derrick in a mission over Brad? I also stated, that I could go either way in an elimination. Mainly because Brad is smart. Do you think Derrick would have beaten Landon or CT?

[QUOTE=r3iKo;164891]A beat down on Brad? It was a trivial game. Would you rather have Derrick in a mission over Brad? I also stated, that I could go either way in an elimination. Mainly because Brad is smart. Do you think Derrick would have beaten Landon or CT?[/QUOTE] It was a trivial game but more of a wrestling/ physical elimination. Brad lucked out and beat Landon, but props to Brad for that and CT DQ'ed vs. Brad after he had Brad smoked. And Derrick did beat Brad down . I mean Abram barely beat Brad and Derrick stomped Brad it wasn't even close and after Brad was talking all that drunken trash to Derrick. And Derrick has won 3 challenges to Brad's 0, that speaks for itself.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;164892]It was a trivial game but more of a wrestling/ physical elimination. Brad lucked out and beat Landon, but props to Brad for that and CT DQ'ed vs. Brad after he had Brad smoked. And Derrick did beat Brad down . I mean Abram barely beat Brad and Derrick stomped Brad it wasn't even close and after Brad was talking all that drunken trash to Derrick. And Derrick has won 3 challenges to Brad's 0, that speaks for itself.[/QUOTE] More of wrestling/physical elimination? Since they physically only wrestled a coconut away from each other three times. Brad winning one of the times, and Derrick got lucky the first time by snatching the coconut away from Brads hands at the rope. Also, two of Derricks wins were with the coconut over the rope, rather then his whole body. Not to mention there was only like what, five feet of an area between the coconuts and the safe zone? If it were ball brawl, I'd still give the win to Derrick, but it wouldn't be a beat down. Push me Duel wasn't meant to be an easy push to the flag and grab it. It was a very well balanced elimination. I mean out of the three times it was played, two were DQs. Therefore, weight and strength weren't the best advantage in that Duel. Derrick has won three challenges being team challenges. Brad made it to the end of two individual challenges. Derrick couldn't even make it past half way on an individual challenge. Speaks for itself. Also, when Brad was talking **** to Derrick, he wasn't saying his was a better player than him or anything. All he was saying is that he's changed as a person.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;164893]More of wrestling/physical elimination? Since they physically only wrestled a coconut away from each other three times. Brad winning one of the times, and Derrick got lucky the first time by snatching the coconut away from Brads hands at the rope. Also, two of Derricks wins were with the coconut over the rope, rather then his whole body. Not to mention there was only like what, five feet of an area between the coconuts and the safe zone? If it were ball brawl, I'd still give the win to Derrick, but it wouldn't be a beat down. Push me Duel wasn't meant to be an easy push to the flag and grab it. It was a very well balanced elimination. I mean out of the three times it was played, two were DQs. Therefore, weight and strength weren't the best advantage in that Duel. Derrick has won three challenges being team challenges. Brad made it to the end of two individual challenges. Derrick couldn't even make it past half way on an individual challenge. Speaks for itself. Also, when Brad was talking **** to Derrick, he wasn't saying his was a better player than him or anything. All he was saying is that he's changed as a person.[/QUOTE] Yeah it was more of a wrestling/physical elimination between Derrick and Brad and the game wasn't 2 out of 3 it was whoever got the coconut across the line FIVE times and Derrick done that compared to Brad only doing it once or twice, I mean come on Adam L. gave Derrick a way better battle. And I still say the same thing Derrick 3 challenge wins Brad 0 challenge wins and that my friend is all there is to it . I could care less how close Brad came to winning The Duel and Duel 2 the fact is he didn't win either one of them and has never won a challenge. And Big Eric made it further than Derrick on the Duel does that make him better than Derrick ? I think not. And yes when Brad was talking **** to Derrick he was saying how he could beat Derrick's *** and even challenged Derrick to a boxing match ( BTW, these two a good friends now). And I'll just say it Derrick would beat Brad's ***, easily IMO. Derrick slammed big Lando into a van on the Inferno 2 even though both were drunk, still. Derrick>Brad IMO.

I think this whole who is better then this person is getting out of hand.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;164896]Yeah it was more of a wrestling/physical elimination between Derrick and Brad and the game wasn't 2 out of 3 it was whoever got the coconut across the line FIVE times and Derrick done that compared to Brad only doing it once or twice, I mean come on Adam L. gave Derrick a way better battle. And I still say the same thing Derrick 3 challenge wins Brad 0 challenge wins and that my friend is all there is to it . I could care less how close Brad came to winning The Duel and Duel 2 the fact is he didn't win either one of them and has never won a challenge. And yes when Brad was talking **** to Derrick he was saying how he could beat Derrick's *** and even challenged Derrick to a boxing match. And I'll just say it Derrick would beat Brad's ***, easily IMO. Derrick slammed big Lando into a van on the Inferno 2 even though both were drunk, still. Derrick>Brad IMO.[/QUOTE] Again, they physically wrestled three out of the six times the rope was crossed. That's half physical, and half knowledge. Adam is bigger, of course he gave him a better battle. Brad wasn't saying anything about how he's a better player. He was just talking **** cause he was drunk. Nothing about the game, just on a personal level. You still haven't answered my question on who you'd rather have in a mission. Also, I said I'd take either in an elimination. Just depends on what it is. For instances, ankle breaker against MJ. I'd take Brad because he'd somehow win with his smarts, like Frank did. Derrick would lose, basically the same way he lost to Timmy on reverse tug of war, I think it was. If it's something like pure physical strength, balls to the wall, I'd easily pick Derrick.

[QUOTE=faceless;164897]I think this whole who is better then this person is getting out of hand.[/QUOTE] I think its ridiculous how me and Adrian have been awake going back and fourth ha. With the Brad and Derrick, I'm not trying to say who is better overall. I'm just stating who I'd rather have in certain circumstances. With Wes, I'm just trying to defend that fact that everyone is knocking on him cause they don't like him.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;164898]Again, they physically wrestled three out of the six times the rope was crossed. That's half physical, and half knowledge. Adam is bigger, of course he gave him a better battle. Brad wasn't saying anything about how he's a better player. He was just talking **** cause he was drunk. Nothing about the game, just on a personal level. You still haven't answered my question on who you'd rather have in a mission. Also, I said I'd take either in an elimination. Just depends on what it is. For instances, ankle breaker against MJ. I'd take Brad because he'd somehow win with his smarts, like Frank did. Derrick would lose, basically the same way he lost to Timmy on reverse tug of war, I think it was. If it's something like pure physical strength, balls to the wall, I'd easily pick Derrick.[/QUOTE] In a mission, it's 50/50 (depends on what the mission is), in a elimination it's 80/20 Derrick and as for who I would want on my team more it's Derrick. Why is everybody thinking Brad is so smart just because he made one heads up move in the elimination with Landon? He's no ******* but if Brad's so smart then how come he didn't think to get Casey off his team when he had the chance on The Ruins ? I mean even Derrick or even some other challenge goof would be smart enough to get her out of there. (Not saying Derrick is a goof BTW).

[QUOTE=r3iKo;164899]I think its ridiculous how me and Adrian have been awake going back and fourth ha. With the Brad and Derrick, I'm not trying to say who is better overall. I'm just stating who I'd rather have in certain circumstances. With Wes, I'm just trying to defend that fact that everyone is knocking on him cause they don't like him.[/QUOTE] I work nights and I'm off tonight and can't sleep so it's all good. Plus I owe a bigtime gambling bet and I am very late on it and I'm very nervous... I gotta keep a watchout tonight. And I haven't really debated or anything in awhile so it's cool.

Now that team names may be dwindling does anyone care to share what team names may be good to use.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;164891]A beat down on Brad? It was a trivial game. Would you rather have Derrick in a mission over Brad? I also stated, that I could go either way in an elimination. Mainly because Brad is smart. [B]Do you think Derrick would have beaten Landon or CT?[/B][/QUOTE] Is that a joke, its clear that Brad got lucky. CT got DQed and Landon would have won if he got the ring on the hook. Lando threw him around like a rag doll. Please tell me you are joking. CT and Landon SMOKED Brad.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;164899]I think its ridiculous how me and Adrian have been awake going back and fourth ha. With the Brad and Derrick, I'm not trying to say who is better overall. I'm just stating who I'd rather have in certain circumstances. With Wes, I'm just trying to defend that fact that everyone is knocking on him cause they don't like him.[/QUOTE] Are we on the same site? Everyone likes Brad. Just because we don't agree on his athletic abilities doesn't mean we don't like him.