[QUOTE=r3iKo;165087]Why didn't Brad do something to get Casey off his team? I don't know, oh wait, cause they won what, one challenge? I love how it went from Wes to Brad. Faceless, you can't say end of story, then re open it up with all your biased opinions. Here's the facts. No one in here thinks Wes is a God. Me and Dannyboy agree he's top 10. To you guys, you think we're saying he's number one. I've already agreed with you guys on the bad qualities in Wes and Brad. Still you guys downgrade them like they're Alexs from RW Denver. Adrian, I think we're sort of on the same page now. Good to know that. [B]Did you win your gambling bet?[/B][/QUOTE]
LOL, I was joking.
[QUOTE=faceless;165089][B]My opinion on Brad isn't biased because I actually like[/B] [B]Brad.[/B] I wanted him to win on Duel 2 despite knowing he wouldn't. I was mocking people who say end of story when the story really isn't over, that's why I was saying that. Regardless of me liking Wes or not I don't think he is a top 10 player and that makes me biased? Just because my opinion differs from yours? Brad and his team had a chance to get rid of Casey but they didn't take that chance. They messed up and that is as much as Brad's fault as it is everyone else on his team. You need to get over all this biased **** because opinions are always biased and they will never not be. Brad is pretty good, not the best and not top 10 but he's good. It feels like if I disagree with you it's cause I'm biased. Well maybe I can say you're biased, but I haven't because that's like a cop out.[/QUOTE]
Same with me.
[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;165088]That one challenge that they won Brad should've got Casey off his team, and it was a team decision, but Brad was basically the leader and he had the chance but didn't go for her, so oh well. I just don't see the logic in sending in Brianna, I believe it was ?[/QUOTE]
I think I read that the reason Brad didn't vote to send Casey in was because he was in an alliance with some of the Champions so it was in his best interest to keep her there. Eventually it seems like he did regret not getting rid of her when he could regardless of any alliance he might have had.
I remember that part of the logic to send Brianna in instead of Casey was that they wanted to send someone who they felt could win. That to me never made sense. When you have dead weight in your team the first thing you want to do is get rid of the dead weight and all those players that are holding your team down and then once you get rid of them and you have a stronger team is that you can think of winning 1on1s.
[QUOTE=faceless;165089]My opinion on Brad isn't biased because I actually like Brad. I wanted him to win on Duel 2 despite knowing he wouldn't. [B][U]I was mocking people who say end of story when the story really isn't over,[/U][/B] that's why I was saying that. Regardless of me liking Wes or not I don't think he is a top 10 player and that makes me biased? Just because my opinion differs from yours? Brad and his team had a chance to get rid of Casey but they didn't take that chance. They messed up and that is as much as Brad's fault as it is everyone else on his team. You need to get over all this biased **** because opinions are always biased and they will never not be. Brad is pretty good, not the best and not top 10 but he's good. It feels like if I disagree with you it's cause I'm biased. Well maybe I can say you're biased, but I haven't because that's like a cop out.[/QUOTE]
I already explained to you that you were wrong because I was simply referring to facts. All your efforts in trying to mock me were pointless. You weren't mocking me, you were mocking your own [B]wrong[/B] interpretation of the use I gave to that phrase.
[QUOTE=Dannyboy;165093]I already explained to you that you were wrong because I was simply referring to facts. All your efforts in trying to mock me were pointless. You weren't mocking me, you were mocking your own [B]wrong[/B] interpretation of my use of that phrase.[/QUOTE]
It's funny how you say that I'm mocking myself when I just stated that I was mocking people who use that phrase. So now, not only am I biased but I can't have my own control over who I'm mocking? Yes, fact is is that Brad won over Landon but I'm arguing [B][U]HOW[/U][/B]. And look, I can underline AND bold things too.
[QUOTE=faceless;165089]My opinion on Brad isn't biased because I actually like Brad. I wanted him to win on Duel 2 despite knowing he wouldn't. I was mocking people who say end of story when the story really isn't over, that's why I was saying that. Regardless of me liking Wes or not [B]I don't think he is a top 10 player and that makes me biased?[/B] Just because my opinion differs from yours? Brad and his team had a chance to get rid of Casey but they didn't take that chance. They messed up and that is as much as Brad's fault as it is everyone else on his team. You need to get over all this biased **** because opinions are always biased and they will never not be. Brad is pretty good, not the best and not top 10 but he's good. It feels like if I disagree with you it's cause I'm biased. Well maybe I can say you're biased, but I haven't because that's like a cop out.[/QUOTE]
hahahahaha ummm, okay. your biased for making remarks like Wes sucks, end of story, just because you don't like him. Please elaborate the bolded. Because your questioning as if your not biased, but for one, that isn't why I called you biased, and two you later stated your opinions are biased. You can say I'm biased. I have no problem with it, however, what have I said that's biased? I've already agreed with all of you the cons in both Brad and Wes. I've probably repeated myself every post in the two pages that I've been on. Maybe your not reading carefully, or you just put it by you because you can't take criticism well.
I think I might just leave this thread alone for awhile. I'll check back in a few days and see if it has become anything other than so-and-so is the best guy because, and so-and-so should have won that duel/gauntlet/inferno because of blah blah blah.
[QUOTE=Dannyboy;165092]I think I read that the reason Brad didn't vote to send Casey in was because he was in an alliance with some of the Champions so it was in his best interest to keep her there. Eventually it seems like he did regret not getting rid of her when he could regardless of any alliance he might have had.
I remember that part of the logic to send Brianna in instead of Casey was that they wanted to send someone who they felt could win. That to me never made sense. When you have dead weight in your team the first thing you want to do is get rid of the dead weight and all those players that are holding your team down and then once you get rid of them and you have a stronger team is that you can think of winning 1on1s.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info. I actually learned something from this post. But Reiko man I like Brad , he's cool... well when he isn't drunk, lol . No for real Brad is a cool person and a pretty good competitor I just think Derrick is better. It's just an opinion. Just like how you think Brad is a bit better than Derrick, it's an opinion. To tell you the truth it would be a little hard for me to pick between the two but when it comes down to it I'm choosing Derrick, but that's just me.
[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;165097]Thanks for the info. I actually learned something from this post. But Reiko man I like Brad , he's cool... well when he isn't drunk, lol . No for real Brad is a cool person and a pretty good competitor I just think Derrick is better. It's just an opinion. Just like how you think brad is a bit better than Derrick, it's an opinion. To tell you the truth it would be a little hard for me to pick between the two but when it comes down to it I'm choosing Derrick, but that's just me.[/QUOTE]
There we go! common grounds. Things civil, now, let's go gambling!
[QUOTE=faceless;165094]It's funny how you say that I'm mocking myself when I just stated that I was mocking people who use that phrase. So now, not only am I biased but I can't have my own control over who I'm mocking? Yes, fact is is that Brad won over Landon but I'm arguing [B][U]HOW[/U][/B]. And look, I can underline AND bold things too.[/QUOTE]
You have total and absolute control over who you choose to mock. My only point is that if your basis for trying to mock someone comes from a wrong interpretation of what that person said in the end you end up mocking no one but yourself. You said you were mocking people who say "end of story" when the story isn't really over. Well I'd like to know who are those people in this thread then because the only 2 times I said "end of story" the story is without one bit of hesitation over: 1) Landon didn't put the ring on the hook and lost 2) Brad's strategy worked and Landon's didn't. I can't for the life of me figure out how is the story not over in these 2 instances that I used the phrase "end of story".
[QUOTE=r3iKo;165095]hahahahaha ummm, okay. your biased for making remarks like Wes sucks, end of story, just because you don't like him. Please elaborate the bolded. Because your questioning as if your not biased, but for one, that isn't why I called you biased, and two you later stated your opinions are biased. You can say I'm biased. I have no problem with it, however, what have I said that's biased? I've already agreed with all of you the cons in both Brad and Wes. I've probably repeated myself every post in the two pages that I've been on. Maybe your not reading carefully, or you just put it by you because you can't take criticism well.[/QUOTE]
What if I do just straight up think Wes does suck? I like Katie a lot but I still think she sucks. I don't like Kelly Anne but I still think she is pretty good. It's funny cause I'm not insulting you as a person but you are to me? I'm not going to start doing that though cause that would be pointless. I don't like Wes and it just so happens that I don't think he is as good as he says he is. Do you think you have never said or thought anything biased?
[QUOTE=Dannyboy;165102]You have total and absolute control over who you choose to mock. My only point is that if your basis for trying to mock someone comes from a wrong interpretation of what that person said in the end you end up mocking no one but yourself. You said you were mocking people who say "end of story" when the story isn't really over. Well I'd like to know who are those people in this thread then because the only 2 times I said "end of story" the story is without one bit of hesitation over: 1) Landon didn't put the ring on the hook and lost 2) Brad's strategy worked and Landon's didn't. I can't for the life of me figure out how is the story not over in these 2 instances that I used the phrase "end of story".[/QUOTE]
I never once said that I only see people in this forum say that and I never once said it was only you. But there are a lot of people who say "end of story" when the story isn't over. Sure, specifically Brad winning, there is no arguing with that. But the bigger picture can be argued, and that is how he won.
[QUOTE=faceless;165104]I never once said that I only see people in this forum say that and I never once said it was only you. But there are a lot of people who say "end of story" when the story isn't over. Sure, specifically Brad winning, there is no arguing with that. But the bigger picture can be argued, and that is how he won.[/QUOTE]
So you started using the phrase "end of story" right after I used it but yet when you said you were mocking people who say "end of story" when the story isn't really over you weren't referring to me? My bad if I thought you were referring to me then. This argument has gotten really silly so I'm leaving it here.
[QUOTE=Dannyboy;165107]So you started using the phrase "end of story" right after I used it but yet when you said you were mocking people who say "end of story" when the story isn't really over you weren't referring to me? My bad if I thought you were referring to me then. This argument has gotten really silly so I'm leaving it here.[/QUOTE]
To clear the air, yes I said it after reading you say it. When you said it, it reminded me of all the times people say that and all the times I've read it on different forums and message boards. So when I was saying it in reply to you, it did have a little to do with you, but not in it's entirety.
[QUOTE=ishot_JT;165117]So what ever happend to Beth she was in every challenge. Now she's MIA.[/QUOTE]
She married and has a child. You know, she's one of those alumni that actually has a life and has other things going for her.
So that one website that Mtv links itself to did a "5 Most Memorable Challengers" list and the list is pretty stupid. #1 was Beth- ok fine, not too bad. #2 was Coral. makes sense. #3 was Johnny Bananas- which was stupid since he's only been around a few years. #4 Rachel- definitely worthy of being on the most memorable list but not top 5. #5 was... drum roll... COHUTTA. Yes, Cohutta. Seriously?! How stupid is that. I thought maybe we can all make out own list. But for a show thats been on the air for 12 years and has 20 seasons, I don't think a top 5 is fitting. More like top 20. I'll post my list first.
20. wes (rw16)- most memorable moment: being unstoppable in the exile and his infamous clash with kenny/johnny/evan on the ruins
19. rachel (rr11)- most mem. moment- "this game is ugly, the inner circle is ugly..." (battle of the sexes 1)
18. emily (rr2)- m.m.m- her vicious attack on veronica and trying relentlessly to get her off the show during the battle of the sexes. runner up- lying to everyone about making an alliance with chadwick and holly during battle of the seasons
17. julie (rw9)- m.m.m- trying to wrestle coral during the inferno but close runner up was when she tried to "kill" veronica.
16. mark (rr1)- m.m.m- his breakdown on gauntlet 2 after arguing with robin about jodi
15. alton (rw12)- m.m.m- being the star leader of the rookies team on gauntlet 2
14. tina (rr12)- m.m.m- duh. bunching beth
13. evan (fm)- m.m.m- being an manipulator only to have it bite him in the *** in the end on the gauntlet 3
12. puck (rw3)- m.m.m- the spitting. nuf said.
11. timmy (rr2)- m.m.m- peeing during the ice mission on battle of the seasons
10. derrick (rr13)- m.m.m- finally being victorious during the inferno 3
9. ruthie (rw8)- m.m.m- dominating the challenge all together during the bots1 and 2.
8. tonya (rw11)- m.m.m- throwing beth's clothes in the pool unapologetically.
7. abe (rr12)- m.m.m- his threesome with veronica and rachel
6. katie (rr10)- m.m.m- going completely ape**** on veronica during the inferno
5. ct (rw13)- m.m.m- losing his mind and almost killing adam on the duel 2
4. veronica (rr8)- m.m.m- amaya rivalry/almost getting "killed" by julie/katie blowout/abe and rachel threesome/getting slapped by tonya... any others?
3. mike (rw10)- m.m.m- becoming the miz and worrying the **** out of the entire cast of battle of the seasons
2. coral (rw10)- m.m.m- "Wrestle? I dont wrestle. I ****** beat ******* up!" classic.
1. beth (rw2)- m.m.m- being the challengesaurus-rex. the oldest competitor with the best drama. however, getting punched by tina will go down in history.
[QUOTE=tjhallow;165119]She married and has a child. You know, she's one of those alumni that actually has a life and has other things going for her.[/QUOTE]
I for one have always found it weird that people think just cause they're married and have real jobs that they now have a life and are done doing these shows. Mark, Holly, Chadwick, Genesis, and a few others were married and still participated. MJ, Derrick, Cynthia, Sean, and I'm sure a few others had actual families and still compete(d). I've never seen a reason why people would stop doing these shows if it seems taking some time off and competing for a huge load of cash that would most likely benefit your family. People in their 30's and 40's with careers do participate in reality tv (Survivor, Apprentice, Amazing Race)
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;165122]I for one have always found it weird that people think just cause they're married and have real jobs that they now have a life and are done doing these shows. Mark, Holly, Chadwick, Genesis, and a few others were married and still participated. MJ, Derrick, Cynthia, Sean, and I'm sure a few others had actual families and still compete(d). I've never seen a reason why people would stop doing these shows if it seems taking some time off and competing for a huge load of cash that would most likely benefit your family. People in their 30's and 40's with careers do participate in reality tv (Survivor, Apprentice, Amazing Race)[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean she couldn't do a challenge because of her marriage and child, which is what I mean when I said she had other things going on for her. I'm sure if you look at some of V1man's post, you'll know what I mean.
Because, that was back in the day, things are different now. I'm sure Beth wouldn't want to put up with all ****ery going on during the challenges these days.
20. wes (rw16)- most memorable moment: being unstoppable in the exile and his infamous clash with kenny/johnny/evan on the ruins
19. rachel (rr11)- most mem. moment- "this game is ugly, the inner circle is ugly..." (battle of the sexes 1)
18. emily (rr2)- m.m.m- her vicious attack on veronica and trying relentlessly to get her off the show during the battle of the sexes. runner up- lying to everyone about making an alliance with chadwick and holly during battle of the seasons
17. julie (rw9)- m.m.m- trying to wrestle coral during the inferno but close runner up was when she tried to "kill" veronica.
16. mark (rr1)- m.m.m- his breakdown on gauntlet 2 after arguing with robin about jodi
15. alton (rw12)- m.m.m- being the star leader of the rookies team on gauntlet 2
14. tina (rr12)- m.m.m- duh. bunching beth
13. evan (fm)- m.m.m- being an manipulator only to have it bite him in the *** in the end on the gauntlet 3
12. puck (rw3)- m.m.m- the spitting. nuf said.
11. timmy (rr2)- m.m.m- peeing during the ice mission on battle of the seasons
10. derrick (rr13)- m.m.m- finally being victorious during the inferno 3
9. ruthie (rw8)- m.m.m- dominating the challenge all together during the bots1 and 2.
8. tonya (rw11)- m.m.m- throwing beth's clothes in the pool unapologetically.
7. abe (rr12)- m.m.m- his threesome with veronica and rachel
6. katie (rr10)- m.m.m- going completely ape**** on veronica during the inferno
5. ct (rw13)- m.m.m- losing his mind and almost killing adam on the duel 2
4. veronica (rr8)- m.m.m- amaya rivalry/almost getting "killed" by julie/katie blowout/abe and rachel threesome/getting slapped by tonya... any others?
3. mike (rw10)- m.m.m- becoming the miz and worrying the **** out of the entire cast of battle of the seasons
2. coral (rw10)- m.m.m- "Wrestle? I dont wrestle. I ****** beat ******* up!" classic.
1. beth (rw2)- m.m.m- being the challengesaurus-rex. the oldest competitor with the best drama. however, getting punched by tina will go down in history.[/QUOTE]
Pretty good list but i think Aneesa deserves to be on it, and i really never thought of Alton as that memorable
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;165121]So that one website that Mtv links itself to did a "5 Most Memorable Challengers" list and the list is pretty stupid. #1 was Beth- ok fine, not too bad. #2 was Coral. makes sense. #3 was Johnny Bananas- which was stupid since he's only been around a few years. #4 Rachel- definitely worthy of being on the most memorable list but not top 5. #5 was... drum roll... COHUTTA. Yes, Cohutta. Seriously?! How stupid is that. I thought maybe we can all make out own list. But for a show thats been on the air for 12 years and has 20 seasons, I don't think a top 5 is fitting. More like top 20. I'll post my list first.
20. wes (rw16)- most memorable moment: being unstoppable in the exile and his infamous clash with kenny/johnny/evan on the ruins
19. rachel (rr11)- most mem. moment- "this game is ugly, the inner circle is ugly..." (battle of the sexes 1)
18. emily (rr2)- m.m.m- her vicious attack on veronica and trying relentlessly to get her off the show during the battle of the sexes. runner up- lying to everyone about making an alliance with chadwick and holly during battle of the seasons
17. julie (rw9)- m.m.m- trying to wrestle coral during the inferno but close runner up was when she tried to "kill" veronica.
16. mark (rr1)- m.m.m- his breakdown on gauntlet 2 after arguing with robin about jodi
15. alton (rw12)- m.m.m- being the star leader of the rookies team on gauntlet 2
14. tina (rr12)- m.m.m- duh. bunching beth
13. evan (fm)- m.m.m- being an manipulator only to have it bite him in the *** in the end on the gauntlet 3
12. puck (rw3)- m.m.m- the spitting. nuf said.
11. timmy (rr2)- m.m.m- peeing during the ice mission on battle of the seasons
10. derrick (rr13)- m.m.m- finally being victorious during the inferno 3
9. ruthie (rw8)- m.m.m- dominating the challenge all together during the bots1 and 2.
8. tonya (rw11)- m.m.m- throwing beth's clothes in the pool unapologetically.
7. abe (rr12)- m.m.m- his threesome with veronica and rachel
6. katie (rr10)- m.m.m- going completely ape**** on veronica during the inferno
5. ct (rw13)- m.m.m- losing his mind and almost killing adam on the duel 2
4. veronica (rr8)- m.m.m- amaya rivalry/almost getting "killed" by julie/katie blowout/abe and rachel threesome/getting slapped by tonya... any others?
3. mike (rw10)- m.m.m- becoming the miz and worrying the **** out of the entire cast of battle of the seasons
2. coral (rw10)- m.m.m- "Wrestle? I dont wrestle. I ****** beat ******* up!" classic.
1. beth (rw2)- m.m.m- being the challengesaurus-rex. the oldest competitor with the best drama. however, getting punched by tina will go down in history.[/QUOTE]
for Emily, she had a thing with Julie on Extreme Challenge. They HATED each other and went back and forth at each other for a while.
At this point of the challenges as a fan, all I care about is the product that I am being shown on my television screen. A lot of the time on these boards I see the questions like "do you know them personally" or "how can you hate someone you don't know", but to me these are irrelevant. If the product I am being given is lackluster/predictable all because of a few very close castmembers then it makes me unhappy.
I could care less if Kenny/Evan are as camera/fame hungry in real life as they appear on tv, but it just makes for a more frustrating/less entertaining show for me. The same thing has plagued survivor for me with Russell Hantz, same guys doing whatever they can for camera time and being total ********** while doing it. So I find myself pulling for the Wes/Ct/Abe crowd because that's the type of fearless competitors I want to see on these shows. Does that make Wes a better person? No, but as a viewer I would like to see some more of actual competition/fighting for a spot rather than contestants finding ways to manipulate the show for camera time and easy cash.
[QUOTE=faceless;165104]What if I do just straight up think Wes does suck? I like Katie a lot but I still think she sucks. I don't like Kelly Anne but I still think she is pretty good. It's funny cause I'm not insulting you as a person but you are to me? I'm not going to start doing that though cause that would be pointless. I don't like Wes and it just so happens that I don't think he is as good as he says he is. Do you think you have never said or thought anything biased?
I never once said that I only see people in this forum say that and I never once said it was only you. But there are a lot of people who say "end of story" when the story isn't over. Sure, specifically Brad winning, there is no arguing with that. But the bigger picture can be argued, and that is how he won.[/QUOTE]
How am I insulting you? I'm not saying any negative remarks about you. I said your biased for your opinion on Wes. Then you contradict yourself in your post. I say you don't handle criticism well because your still lashing out at me and danny. Of course I've said and thought biased things. Have I in this Wes and Brad debate? No I believe I haven't. You have all these claims on other cast members, but for Wes, I don't think you can say one good thing about him. You hate Wes and therefore aren't giving him any sort of credit as a competitor. Is that fair to say?
[QUOTE=jhl182;165132]for Emily, she had a thing with Julie on Extreme Challenge. They HATED each other and went back and forth at each other for a while.[/QUOTE]
yea i originally was going to put emily vs veronica/julie/holly/chadwick
Here's something that's always bothered me. On Battle of the Sexes 1 during the "Freeze Your Butt Off" mission, Ellen and Ayanna were the last two remaining, and Ayanna then quit to give Ellen the first and herself the second, since they were mission partners the next day. I believe Ellen was in the inner circle for almost the entire time, so why not have Ellen take the second and Ayanna take first, since Ayanna needed the points more than Ellen did? That's always come across as an extremely selfish move by Ellen to me.
[QUOTE=Youssarian;165162]Well, Ayanna did quit so Ellen would win...I don't get your point?[/QUOTE]
His point was that Ayanna needed the first place points more than Ellen did, yet Ayanna settled for second place and gave Ellen the first place points, even though she didn't really need them because Ellen was in the inner circle for a majority of the game.
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