Spread the word and remember that true fans don't stop watching ever.
True fans stop watching when the show ends. It ended.
I guess we can agree to disagree.
Agreed
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tHERE'S NO such thing as "true fans" anymore.
I definitley agree with you because people (mainly teens) are wishy washy nowadays they dont tune in regularly unless its Love and Hip Hop or PLL now with social media playing a huge aspect in whether people will watch, and its sad
Spread the word and remember that true fans don't stop watching ever.
True fans stop watching when the show ends. It ended.
If you stopped watching why come on here and spread uneccesary negativity?
I haven't watched a full season since Brooklyn, but I've never been a fan anyway. I don't get the concept of "unnecessary negativity." It seems some people are delusional and others are simply leaning toward a more realistic perspective.
Spread the word and remember that true fans don't stop watching ever.
True fans stop watching when the show ends. It ended.
I guess we can agree to disagree.
Agreed
.
tHERE'S NO such thing as "true fans" anymore.
I definitley agree with you because people (mainly teens) are wishy washy nowadays they dont tune in regularly unless its Love and Hip Hop or PLL now with social media playing a huge aspect in whether people will watch, and its sad
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OVE AND hIPhOP why are they so perverted. And Nikko needs to drop dead.
In you folks' opinion if the DVR numbers and online views for Skeletons turn out to be shit throughout the entire seasonwhat do you think Susanne Daniels and the execs at MTV, Viacom and Bunnim/Murray should consider about the future of The Real World?
Online viewers mean nothing because they are of no value to advertisers. While they may represent "feel good" numbers to some, it is the real time and DVR viewers that count when it comes to executives keeping their jobs. If the advertisers don't think the show is worth paying premium rates for the show in prime time, then it's an easy call for Daniels. She is supposed to be making money for VIACOM's stockholders (Like me). In the last report, advertising revenues for the media networks was down slightly and reported expenses were up. Of course, anyone can buy a single share of Viacom stock and attend the Viacom’s 2015 Annual Meeting of Stockholders which should be held in March at Paramount Pictures in Hollywood, California, when you can express your opinions to the execs. Bunim Murray only plays in the future of RW IF Daniels wants to engage them in a discussion about how to fix the show/ratings, otherwise, they are simply another outside contractor who isn't delivering a quality product.
[I'm always curious about where people think viewers will actually come from who aren't presently watching a show. It's not like people are sitting around doing nothing waiting for peers to tell them what to watch... All the social science research tells us that it's rare for shows to pick up significant numbers of viewers if there is not an immediate positive media reaction to the first episode. There was no such reaction to RW. In fact, the NY Reunion received far more media attention than did RW: Skeletons. As some have mentioned, the absence of the "skeletons" actually not yet being on the show may hurt, but it's likely that the potential 1 million available RW viewers who didn't show up for the first two episodes were not aware of whether or not the entire cast would in the first episodes. Those potential viewers are not likely to show up now. Viewers don't come from thin air. "Better" later episodes are, frankly, of little value. It would also not be unreasonable to consider that the absence of the "skeletons" actually is partly responsible (along with the holidays) for the reduction of viewers from ep 1 to ep 2. In every show I've been involved in, I did my best to ensure that, in addition to pre-show ad videos, the first couple of episodes were tightly edited and packed with what the audience wanted to see: sex, drama, and great visuals. ]
Well the last season of The Real World picked up once the Exes came so I think, it will be the same with the Skeletons twist.
Besides the pre-show ad videos, I think the first three episodes of Skeletons had everything that the audience wanted to see. It had sex/love, drama and great visuals.
I think it's sad that almost every thread on Vevmo now, somebody has to completly destroy the thread by saying something completly unnessassary and imo almost every time, they're acting like a child. I'm sick of this "The past was better", "True Fans don't watch it!", "Non castmembers", "People hooking up with eachother" crap. Seriously. In true Layton fashion "MOVE ON!".
The rating was up slightly in the F 12-34 demo. Flat ratings in the other demographics
(all measured as live + same day data)
I hope I'm not jumping the gun but I think they'll get a million or close to it before the season is over. I think the holidays is the reason for the ratings. I think once the holidays are over and they have The Challenge airing after them they should have a slight jump.
In you folks' opinion if the DVR numbers and online views for Skeletons turn out to be shit throughout the entire seasonwhat do you think Susanne Daniels and the execs at MTV, Viacom and Bunnim/Murray should consider about the future of The Real World?
Online viewers mean nothing because they are of no value to advertisers. While they may represent "feel good" numbers to some, it is the real time and DVR viewers that count when it comes to executives keeping their jobs. If the advertisers don't think the show is worth paying premium rates for the show in prime time, then it's an easy call for Daniels. She is supposed to be making money for VIACOM's stockholders (Like me). In the last report, advertising revenues for the media networks was down slightly and reported expenses were up. Of course, anyone can buy a single share of Viacom stock and attend the Viacom’s 2015 Annual Meeting of Stockholders which should be held in March at Paramount Pictures in Hollywood, California, when you can express your opinions to the execs. Bunim Murray only plays in the future of RW IF Daniels wants to engage them in a discussion about how to fix the show/ratings, otherwise, they are simply another outside contractor who isn't delivering a quality product.
[I'm always curious about where people think viewers will actually come from who aren't presently watching a show. It's not like people are sitting around doing nothing waiting for peers to tell them what to watch... All the social science research tells us that it's rare for shows to pick up significant numbers of viewers if there is not an immediate positive media reaction to the first episode. There was no such reaction to RW. In fact, the NY Reunion received far more media attention than did RW: Skeletons. As some have mentioned, the absence of the "skeletons" actually not yet being on the show may hurt, but it's likely that the potential 1 million available RW viewers who didn't show up for the first two episodes were not aware of whether or not the entire cast would in the first episodes. Those potential viewers are not likely to show up now. Viewers don't come from thin air. "Better" later episodes are, frankly, of little value. It would also not be unreasonable to consider that the absence of the "skeletons" actually is partly responsible (along with the holidays) for the reduction of viewers from ep 1 to ep 2. In every show I've been involved in, I did my best to ensure that, in addition to pre-show ad videos, the first couple of episodes were tightly edited and packed with what the audience wanted to see: sex, drama, and great visuals. ]
Well the last season of The Real World picked up once the Exes came so I think, it will be the same with the Skeletons twist.
Besides the pre-show ad videos, I think the first three episodes of Skeletons had everything that the audience wanted to see. It had sex/love, drama and great visuals.
I think it's sad that almost every thread on Vevmo now, somebody has to completly destroy the thread by saying something completly unnessassary and imo almost every time, they're acting like a child. I'm sick of this "The past was better", "True Fans don't watch it!", "Non castmembers", "People hooking up with eachother" crap. Seriously. In true Layton fashion "MOVE ON!".
Lmao not gonna happen, especially when it's truth for the most part. Ignore it.
In you folks' opinion if the DVR numbers and online views for Skeletons turn out to be shit throughout the entire seasonwhat do you think Susanne Daniels and the execs at MTV, Viacom and Bunnim/Murray should consider about the future of The Real World?
Online viewers mean nothing because they are of no value to advertisers. While they may represent "feel good" numbers to some, it is the real time and DVR viewers that count when it comes to executives keeping their jobs. If the advertisers don't think the show is worth paying premium rates for the show in prime time, then it's an easy call for Daniels. She is supposed to be making money for VIACOM's stockholders (Like me). In the last report, advertising revenues for the media networks was down slightly and reported expenses were up. Of course, anyone can buy a single share of Viacom stock and attend the Viacom’s 2015 Annual Meeting of Stockholders which should be held in March at Paramount Pictures in Hollywood, California, when you can express your opinions to the execs. Bunim Murray only plays in the future of RW IF Daniels wants to engage them in a discussion about how to fix the show/ratings, otherwise, they are simply another outside contractor who isn't delivering a quality product.
[I'm always curious about where people think viewers will actually come from who aren't presently watching a show. It's not like people are sitting around doing nothing waiting for peers to tell them what to watch... All the social science research tells us that it's rare for shows to pick up significant numbers of viewers if there is not an immediate positive media reaction to the first episode. There was no such reaction to RW. In fact, the NY Reunion received far more media attention than did RW: Skeletons. As some have mentioned, the absence of the "skeletons" actually not yet being on the show may hurt, but it's likely that the potential 1 million available RW viewers who didn't show up for the first two episodes were not aware of whether or not the entire cast would in the first episodes. Those potential viewers are not likely to show up now. Viewers don't come from thin air. "Better" later episodes are, frankly, of little value. It would also not be unreasonable to consider that the absence of the "skeletons" actually is partly responsible (along with the holidays) for the reduction of viewers from ep 1 to ep 2. In every show I've been involved in, I did my best to ensure that, in addition to pre-show ad videos, the first couple of episodes were tightly edited and packed with what the audience wanted to see: sex, drama, and great visuals. ]
Well the last season of The Real World picked up once the Exes came so I think, it will be the same with the Skeletons twist.
Besides the pre-show ad videos, I think the first three episodes of Skeletons had everything that the audience wanted to see. It had sex/love, drama and great visuals.
I think it's sad that almost every thread on Vevmo now, somebody has to completly destroy the thread by saying something completly unnessassary and imo almost every time, they're acting like a child. I'm sick of this "The past was better", "True Fans don't watch it!", "Non castmembers", "People hooking up with eachother" crap. Seriously. In true Layton fashion "MOVE ON!".
Lmao not gonna happen, especially when it's truth for the most part. Ignore it.
I know, but it's just sad nevertheless. I mean I try to understand them and "discuss" it and ironically I agree with them most of the time (besides some big topics), but they usually are sooooo stubborn with their opinions. It's crazy! For them, they don't let and want any changes to happen and in the end changes is what makes shows exciting and draw and get new viewers which is why BMP did those themes and by looking at the numbers last seasons and this season, the themes/twists are helping this franchise.
In you folks' opinion if the DVR numbers and online views for Skeletons turn out to be shit throughout the entire seasonwhat do you think Susanne Daniels and the execs at MTV, Viacom and Bunnim/Murray should consider about the future of The Real World?
Online viewers mean nothing because they are of no value to advertisers. While they may represent "feel good" numbers to some, it is the real time and DVR viewers that count when it comes to executives keeping their jobs. If the advertisers don't think the show is worth paying premium rates for the show in prime time, then it's an easy call for Daniels. She is supposed to be making money for VIACOM's stockholders (Like me). In the last report, advertising revenues for the media networks was down slightly and reported expenses were up. Of course, anyone can buy a single share of Viacom stock and attend the Viacom’s 2015 Annual Meeting of Stockholders which should be held in March at Paramount Pictures in Hollywood, California, when you can express your opinions to the execs. Bunim Murray only plays in the future of RW IF Daniels wants to engage them in a discussion about how to fix the show/ratings, otherwise, they are simply another outside contractor who isn't delivering a quality product.
[I'm always curious about where people think viewers will actually come from who aren't presently watching a show. It's not like people are sitting around doing nothing waiting for peers to tell them what to watch... All the social science research tells us that it's rare for shows to pick up significant numbers of viewers if there is not an immediate positive media reaction to the first episode. There was no such reaction to RW. In fact, the NY Reunion received far more media attention than did RW: Skeletons. As some have mentioned, the absence of the "skeletons" actually not yet being on the show may hurt, but it's likely that the potential 1 million available RW viewers who didn't show up for the first two episodes were not aware of whether or not the entire cast would in the first episodes. Those potential viewers are not likely to show up now. Viewers don't come from thin air. "Better" later episodes are, frankly, of little value. It would also not be unreasonable to consider that the absence of the "skeletons" actually is partly responsible (along with the holidays) for the reduction of viewers from ep 1 to ep 2. In every show I've been involved in, I did my best to ensure that, in addition to pre-show ad videos, the first couple of episodes were tightly edited and packed with what the audience wanted to see: sex, drama, and great visuals. ]
Well the last season of The Real World picked up once the Exes came so I think, it will be the same with the Skeletons twist.
Besides the pre-show ad videos, I think the first three episodes of Skeletons had everything that the audience wanted to see. It had sex/love, drama and great visuals.
I think it's sad that almost every thread on Vevmo now, somebody has to completly destroy the thread by saying something completly unnessassary and imo almost every time, they're acting like a child. I'm sick of this "The past was better", "True Fans don't watch it!", "Non castmembers", "People hooking up with eachother" crap. Seriously. In true Layton fashion "MOVE ON!".
Lmao not gonna happen, especially when it's truth for the most part. Ignore it.
I know, but it's just sad nevertheless. I mean I try to understand them and "discuss" it and ironically I agree with them most of the time (besides some big topics), but they usually are sooooo stubborn with their opinions. It's crazy! For them, they don't let and want any changes to happen and in the end changes is what makes shows exciting and draw and get new viewers which is why BMP did those themes and by looking at the numbers last seasons and this season, the themes/twists are helping this franchise.
In you folks' opinion if the DVR numbers and online views for Skeletons turn out to be shit throughout the entire seasonwhat do you think Susanne Daniels and the execs at MTV, Viacom and Bunnim/Murray should consider about the future of The Real World?
Online viewers mean nothing because they are of no value to advertisers. While they may represent "feel good" numbers to some, it is the real time and DVR viewers that count when it comes to executives keeping their jobs. If the advertisers don't think the show is worth paying premium rates for the show in prime time, then it's an easy call for Daniels. She is supposed to be making money for VIACOM's stockholders (Like me). In the last report, advertising revenues for the media networks was down slightly and reported expenses were up. Of course, anyone can buy a single share of Viacom stock and attend the Viacom’s 2015 Annual Meeting of Stockholders which should be held in March at Paramount Pictures in Hollywood, California, when you can express your opinions to the execs. Bunim Murray only plays in the future of RW IF Daniels wants to engage them in a discussion about how to fix the show/ratings, otherwise, they are simply another outside contractor who isn't delivering a quality product.
[I'm always curious about where people think viewers will actually come from who aren't presently watching a show. It's not like people are sitting around doing nothing waiting for peers to tell them what to watch... All the social science research tells us that it's rare for shows to pick up significant numbers of viewers if there is not an immediate positive media reaction to the first episode. There was no such reaction to RW. In fact, the NY Reunion received far more media attention than did RW: Skeletons. As some have mentioned, the absence of the "skeletons" actually not yet being on the show may hurt, but it's likely that the potential 1 million available RW viewers who didn't show up for the first two episodes were not aware of whether or not the entire cast would in the first episodes. Those potential viewers are not likely to show up now. Viewers don't come from thin air. "Better" later episodes are, frankly, of little value. It would also not be unreasonable to consider that the absence of the "skeletons" actually is partly responsible (along with the holidays) for the reduction of viewers from ep 1 to ep 2. In every show I've been involved in, I did my best to ensure that, in addition to pre-show ad videos, the first couple of episodes were tightly edited and packed with what the audience wanted to see: sex, drama, and great visuals. ]
Well the last season of The Real World picked up once the Exes came so I think, it will be the same with the Skeletons twist.
Besides the pre-show ad videos, I think the first three episodes of Skeletons had everything that the audience wanted to see. It had sex/love, drama and great visuals.
I think it's sad that almost every thread on Vevmo now, somebody has to completly destroy the thread by saying something completly unnessassary and imo almost every time, they're acting like a child. I'm sick of this "The past was better", "True Fans don't watch it!", "Non castmembers", "People hooking up with eachother" crap. Seriously. In true Layton fashion "MOVE ON!".
Lmao not gonna happen, especially when it's truth for the most part. Ignore it.
I know, but it's just sad nevertheless. I mean I try to understand them and "discuss" it and ironically I agree with them most of the time (besides some big topics), but they usually are sooooo stubborn with their opinions. It's crazy! For them, they don't let and want any changes to happen and in the end changes is what makes shows exciting and draw and get new viewers which is why BMP did those themes and by looking at the numbers last seasons and this season, the themes/twists are helping this franchise.
We must be following two different seasons...
And you must have not seen the ratings for St. Thomas, Portland, San Diego compared to Explosion.
I actually really love this new season. It's definitely way better than explosion. They chose a great cast!! <3
My thoughts exactly, the only good thing about Ex-Plosion was Jenny, Ashley and Brian.
I totally second this, with this season bringing more to the table than just drama they each have a story, its just MTV that doesnt know how to introduce it in a interesting way anymore
In you folks' opinion if the DVR numbers and online views for Skeletons turn out to be shit throughout the entire seasonwhat do you think Susanne Daniels and the execs at MTV, Viacom and Bunnim/Murray should consider about the future of The Real World?
Online viewers mean nothing because they are of no value to advertisers. While they may represent "feel good" numbers to some, it is the real time and DVR viewers that count when it comes to executives keeping their jobs. If the advertisers don't think the show is worth paying premium rates for the show in prime time, then it's an easy call for Daniels. She is supposed to be making money for VIACOM's stockholders (Like me). In the last report, advertising revenues for the media networks was down slightly and reported expenses were up. Of course, anyone can buy a single share of Viacom stock and attend the Viacom’s 2015 Annual Meeting of Stockholders which should be held in March at Paramount Pictures in Hollywood, California, when you can express your opinions to the execs. Bunim Murray only plays in the future of RW IF Daniels wants to engage them in a discussion about how to fix the show/ratings, otherwise, they are simply another outside contractor who isn't delivering a quality product.
[I'm always curious about where people think viewers will actually come from who aren't presently watching a show. It's not like people are sitting around doing nothing waiting for peers to tell them what to watch... All the social science research tells us that it's rare for shows to pick up significant numbers of viewers if there is not an immediate positive media reaction to the first episode. There was no such reaction to RW. In fact, the NY Reunion received far more media attention than did RW: Skeletons. As some have mentioned, the absence of the "skeletons" actually not yet being on the show may hurt, but it's likely that the potential 1 million available RW viewers who didn't show up for the first two episodes were not aware of whether or not the entire cast would in the first episodes. Those potential viewers are not likely to show up now. Viewers don't come from thin air. "Better" later episodes are, frankly, of little value. It would also not be unreasonable to consider that the absence of the "skeletons" actually is partly responsible (along with the holidays) for the reduction of viewers from ep 1 to ep 2. In every show I've been involved in, I did my best to ensure that, in addition to pre-show ad videos, the first couple of episodes were tightly edited and packed with what the audience wanted to see: sex, drama, and great visuals. ]
Well the last season of The Real World picked up once the Exes came so I think, it will be the same with the Skeletons twist.
Besides the pre-show ad videos, I think the first three episodes of Skeletons had everything that the audience wanted to see. It had sex/love, drama and great visuals.
I think it's sad that almost every thread on Vevmo now, somebody has to completly destroy the thread by saying something completly unnessassary and imo almost every time, they're acting like a child. I'm sick of this "The past was better", "True Fans don't watch it!", "Non castmembers", "People hooking up with eachother" crap. Seriously. In true Layton fashion "MOVE ON!".
Lmao not gonna happen, especially when it's truth for the most part. Ignore it.
I know, but it's just sad nevertheless. I mean I try to understand them and "discuss" it and ironically I agree with them most of the time (besides some big topics), but they usually are sooooo stubborn with their opinions. It's crazy! For them, they don't let and want any changes to happen and in the end changes is what makes shows exciting and draw and get new viewers which is why BMP did those themes and by looking at the numbers last seasons and this season, the themes/twists are helping this franchise.
We must be following two different seasons...
And you must have not seen the ratings for St. Thomas, Portland, San Diego compared to Explosion.
I'm not comparing those ratings to Explosion... we're comparing all the other seasons to the abysmal ratings that Skeletons is getting. Hence the bolded statement.
Well Explosion's ratings sucked too until the Exes showed up plus ratings for most show are never good during the holiday season so we'll see how it does in a few weeks.
Well Explosion's ratings sucked too until the Exes showed up plus ratings for most show are never good during the holiday season so we'll see how it does in a few weeks.
Explosion started out with just a smidgen under 1 million. By the third episode, before the Exes showed up, they had 1.29 million viewers. Skeleton's ratings for the third episode? Didn't even crack 1 million. I'm not shitting on your season. I haven't watched this season much so I don't care if it's good or not; but so far this season is doing way worse than last season.
v1 has never really cared about the show but he's spent years here posting about the show, even after "retiring" from the forum he continues to come back and post his hate for the show. He also obsesses over the cast on twitter. I have never cared for the Housewives franchise but I have also never went to a housewives forums to pointlessly be negative about it and don't dedicate my twitter towards it. Plus v1 I think you are a good 4-5 decades out of the Real World's demographics so your thoughts are void.
v1 has never really cared about the show but he's spent years here posting about the show, even after "retiring" from the forum he continues to come back and post his hate for the show. He also obsesses over the cast on twitter. I have never cared for the Housewives franchise but I have also never went to a housewives forums to pointlessly be negative about it and don't dedicate my twitter towards it. Plus v1 I think you are a good 4-5 decades out of the Real World's demographics so your thoughts are void.
Considering that I've spend well over a decade representing, mentoring, negotiating contracts on behalf of, employing or becoming friends with members of the Real World and Road Rules cast, your first sentence is simply absurd. I have retired from regularly posting and normally comment when I receive a PM about something or a DM on twitter from a member asks me a question. Since I started several of the "ratings" threads when I was a moderator here years ago, posting on the topic seems appropriate to me.
Please tell me what cast members I obsess over on twitter. I'm not aware of any. I am good friends with some and interact with them via twitter, Facebook, text or even via old fashioned telephone conversation on occasion. What a silly and pointless accusation indeed! As for being negative, I could not disagree more. I'd like to think that I'm a realist. I'm not here to kiss your *** or MTV's or Bunim Murray's. Clearly I have a bias against Bunim Murray Productions based on their past actions against friends/clients, but I've also defended them and MTV by pointing out factual errors in some criticism leveled at them by some vevmo members (Most recently, my defense in this thread of Susanne Daniels, MTV's President of Programming). Further, since I do have experience working with network and advertising executives in an environment where ratings and demographics are always a principle topic of discussion, the perspective from which I write reflects that reality. My comments will never come from a "fan" perspective, because I can't be a fan of TV programming of any kind. I watch TV from the perspective of a technician always looking for answers to questions about format, editing, lighting, camera angles, dialogue, set design, etc, all of which come from my experience in TV that began decades before you were born. My comments about TV anywhere -- here or in my living room talking to family and friends -- will always reflect that perspective.
As for your last sentence, as a non-fan, I tend to look at what the research says the various demographics look for. For example, NCIS is one of CBS's ratings drivers, yet this season the producers and writers have sought to broaden its appeal to the 18-34 demo through storylines and the highlighting of younger characters. The edit points for the "Bishop" character are more more intentionally attractive as are her appearance in NCIS' bumpers, all in hope of moving the show lower in the demographic. The same is true of CBS' Blue Bloods, with more story lines and appearances by the younger cast members. What demograhic I may personally be in would relevant if I were a product consumer.
Just for shits and giggles, I probably should take note of your obvious ageism in writing that I'm out of MTV's demographic, but, then, so is Jonathan Murray. Perhaps I could offer to quite commenting if he were to quit producing shows for audiences out of his demographic. Thanks, at least, for not suggesting I'm a worthwhile candidate for experimentation in euthanisa. If you want to have an intelligent discussion of show ratings - the why, how, etc, - I'm happy to do so, but I suspect your personal attack on me suggests either that you are incapable of that type of exchange or that in the absence of a cogent articulation of a factually based alternative position, you adopt the tactic of attacking the source with which you disagree.
V1man: Maybe it's the fact that I too am "outside of the target audience demographic" but I always look forward to your posts and enjoy them tremendously. Some of these kids get a little heated in their opinions. Just shake your head and move on (and keep posting)!
V1man: Maybe it's the fact that I too am "outside of the target audience demographic" but I always look forward to your posts and enjoy them tremendously. Some of these kids get a little heated in their opinions. Just shake your head and move on (and keep posting)!
Thanks. I actually do relish informed, contrary opinons! What I really enjoy is when someone can be highly articulate about their point of view -- backed with facts, reason and a dispassionate presentation. Ad hominem attacks truly are the best weapon of the poorly educated, so I always carefully consider the source. When the day comes that Bacchus asks me to refrain from commenting when asked to do so by someone, I'll certainly stop. Until then, I'll be an infrequent visitor, but only when I have something to contribute.
I always appreciate your insight V1, especially during the attacks on Daniels a few days ago. I've tried to defend her in the past because she clearly has a great vision for what she wants MTV to become, but poor ratings and such have made it difficult in gaining momentum. I have faith though.
V1, your big words and lengthy resonses really aren't that impressive. I know you like to use it as a distraction from the fact that your obsessed with a reality show that you claim to not care about, but spend so much time sharing your cynical opinions that you feel are so qualified. Ironic you sit here and relish in the shows failure but please tell what your production success are? A calendar that piggybacked off reality shows isn't really all that impressive compared to a production company that's had a show running for 22 years.
I am interested though in the castmembers you "represented" with their contracts that BMP didn't treat well. Because lots of the castmembers on the show keep returning for more. So if they are treated poorly why do they keep returning? Prob cause they get paid thousands of dollars to travel and have no real intelligence or skill set. How are they mistreated? Ive heard you whine how Beth was edited and come up with an excuse for every poor moment she had on the show but from what I hear she was as edited pretty properly.
And yes on twitter you spend a lot of time attempting to interact with former castmembers of multiple shows, and defend them through tweets that you weren't even mentioned in and I think that is weird and obsessive.
True fans stop watching when the show ends. It ended.
I guess we can agree to disagree.
If you stopped watching why come on here and spread uneccesary negativity?
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tHERE'S NO such thing as "true fans" anymore.
I consider myself to be a true fan.
I haven't watched a full season since Brooklyn, but I've never been a fan anyway. I don't get the concept of "unnecessary negativity." It seems some people are delusional and others are simply leaning toward a more realistic perspective.
ING OF l
OVE AND hIPhOP why are they so perverted. And Nikko needs to drop dead.
Dec 30 episode: 668,000 Total Viewers
The rating was up slightly in the F 12-34 demo. Flat ratings in the other demographics
(all measured as live + same day data)
V1, how do you think the 11pm slot and the RW ratings are going to affect The Challenge?
Well the last season of The Real World picked up once the Exes came so I think, it will be the same with the Skeletons twist.
Besides the pre-show ad videos, I think the first three episodes of Skeletons had everything that the audience wanted to see. It had sex/love, drama and great visuals.
I think it's sad that almost every thread on Vevmo now, somebody has to completly destroy the thread by saying something completly unnessassary and imo almost every time, they're acting like a child. I'm sick of this "The past was better", "True Fans don't watch it!", "Non castmembers", "People hooking up with eachother" crap. Seriously. In true Layton fashion "MOVE ON!".
I hope I'm not jumping the gun but I think they'll get a million or close to it before the season is over. I think the holidays is the reason for the ratings. I think once the holidays are over and they have The Challenge airing after them they should have a slight jump.
Lmao not gonna happen, especially when it's truth for the most part. Ignore it.
I know, but it's just sad nevertheless. I mean I try to understand them and "discuss" it and ironically I agree with them most of the time (besides some big topics), but they usually are sooooo stubborn with their opinions. It's crazy! For them, they don't let and want any changes to happen and in the end changes is what makes shows exciting and draw and get new viewers which is why BMP did those themes and by looking at the numbers last seasons and this season, the themes/twists are helping this franchise.
I actually really love this new season. It's definitely way better than explosion. They chose a great cast!! <3
We must be following two different seasons...
My thoughts exactly, the only good thing about Ex-Plosion was Jenny, Ashley and Brian.
Honestly, I don't have a frim opinion. It's completely untested waters from my perspective.
And you must have not seen the ratings for St. Thomas, Portland, San Diego compared to Explosion.
I'm not comparing those ratings to Explosion... we're comparing all the other seasons to the abysmal ratings that Skeletons is getting. Hence the bolded statement.
Well Explosion's ratings sucked too until the Exes showed up plus ratings for most show are never good during the holiday season so we'll see how it does in a few weeks.
Explosion started out with just a smidgen under 1 million. By the third episode, before the Exes showed up, they had 1.29 million viewers. Skeleton's ratings for the third episode? Didn't even crack 1 million. I'm not shitting on your season. I haven't watched this season much so I don't care if it's good or not; but so far this season is doing way worse than last season.
This season is doing atrocious, but the saddest part is that is doing better than everything else on the schedule. MTV needs to pick it up already.
v1 has never really cared about the show but he's spent years here posting about the show, even after "retiring" from the forum he continues to come back and post his hate for the show. He also obsesses over the cast on twitter. I have never cared for the Housewives franchise but I have also never went to a housewives forums to pointlessly be negative about it and don't dedicate my twitter towards it. Plus v1 I think you are a good 4-5 decades out of the Real World's demographics so your thoughts are void.
Considering that I've spend well over a decade representing, mentoring, negotiating contracts on behalf of, employing or becoming friends with members of the Real World and Road Rules cast, your first sentence is simply absurd. I have retired from regularly posting and normally comment when I receive a PM about something or a DM on twitter from a member asks me a question. Since I started several of the "ratings" threads when I was a moderator here years ago, posting on the topic seems appropriate to me.
Please tell me what cast members I obsess over on twitter. I'm not aware of any. I am good friends with some and interact with them via twitter, Facebook, text or even via old fashioned telephone conversation on occasion. What a silly and pointless accusation indeed! As for being negative, I could not disagree more. I'd like to think that I'm a realist. I'm not here to kiss your *** or MTV's or Bunim Murray's. Clearly I have a bias against Bunim Murray Productions based on their past actions against friends/clients, but I've also defended them and MTV by pointing out factual errors in some criticism leveled at them by some vevmo members (Most recently, my defense in this thread of Susanne Daniels, MTV's President of Programming). Further, since I do have experience working with network and advertising executives in an environment where ratings and demographics are always a principle topic of discussion, the perspective from which I write reflects that reality. My comments will never come from a "fan" perspective, because I can't be a fan of TV programming of any kind. I watch TV from the perspective of a technician always looking for answers to questions about format, editing, lighting, camera angles, dialogue, set design, etc, all of which come from my experience in TV that began decades before you were born. My comments about TV anywhere -- here or in my living room talking to family and friends -- will always reflect that perspective.
As for your last sentence, as a non-fan, I tend to look at what the research says the various demographics look for. For example, NCIS is one of CBS's ratings drivers, yet this season the producers and writers have sought to broaden its appeal to the 18-34 demo through storylines and the highlighting of younger characters. The edit points for the "Bishop" character are more more intentionally attractive as are her appearance in NCIS' bumpers, all in hope of moving the show lower in the demographic. The same is true of CBS' Blue Bloods, with more story lines and appearances by the younger cast members. What demograhic I may personally be in would relevant if I were a product consumer.
Just for shits and giggles, I probably should take note of your obvious ageism in writing that I'm out of MTV's demographic, but, then, so is Jonathan Murray. Perhaps I could offer to quite commenting if he were to quit producing shows for audiences out of his demographic. Thanks, at least, for not suggesting I'm a worthwhile candidate for experimentation in euthanisa. If you want to have an intelligent discussion of show ratings - the why, how, etc, - I'm happy to do so, but I suspect your personal attack on me suggests either that you are incapable of that type of exchange or that in the absence of a cogent articulation of a factually based alternative position, you adopt the tactic of attacking the source with which you disagree.
V1man: Maybe it's the fact that I too am "outside of the target audience demographic" but I always look forward to your posts and enjoy them tremendously. Some of these kids get a little heated in their opinions. Just shake your head and move on (and keep posting)!
Thanks. I actually do relish informed, contrary opinons! What I really enjoy is when someone can be highly articulate about their point of view -- backed with facts, reason and a dispassionate presentation. Ad hominem attacks truly are the best weapon of the poorly educated, so I always carefully consider the source. When the day comes that Bacchus asks me to refrain from commenting when asked to do so by someone, I'll certainly stop. Until then, I'll be an infrequent visitor, but only when I have something to contribute.
I always appreciate your insight V1, especially during the attacks on Daniels a few days ago. I've tried to defend her in the past because she clearly has a great vision for what she wants MTV to become, but poor ratings and such have made it difficult in gaining momentum. I have faith though.
V1, your big words and lengthy resonses really aren't that impressive. I know you like to use it as a distraction from the fact that your obsessed with a reality show that you claim to not care about, but spend so much time sharing your cynical opinions that you feel are so qualified. Ironic you sit here and relish in the shows failure but please tell what your production success are? A calendar that piggybacked off reality shows isn't really all that impressive compared to a production company that's had a show running for 22 years.
I am interested though in the castmembers you "represented" with their contracts that BMP didn't treat well. Because lots of the castmembers on the show keep returning for more. So if they are treated poorly why do they keep returning? Prob cause they get paid thousands of dollars to travel and have no real intelligence or skill set. How are they mistreated? Ive heard you whine how Beth was edited and come up with an excuse for every poor moment she had on the show but from what I hear she was as edited pretty properly.
And yes on twitter you spend a lot of time attempting to interact with former castmembers of multiple shows, and defend them through tweets that you weren't even mentioned in and I think that is weird and obsessive.
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