The Gauntlet 3 Veterans were some of the biggest brainless idiots to ever play the game & it's no coincidence that so many on that team either already made dumb decisions or would go on to make dumb decisions...them gunning for Coral when Casey/Katie/Robin/even Diem were still there (Diem had her protection though smh), keeping Eric until the final mission, sending in Johnny instead of Danny/Eric, etc.
I agree aside from Danny...Danny wasn't seen the same way then as he is now--nor was Johnny seen the same then as he is now.
Eric should have been the primary target...then Adam....Johnny/Danny were comparable with Danny being bigger/stronger at the time. Brad was probably with them as well.
Evan, Kenny and CT were definitely not in the discussion. Honestly, if the Rookies were smart they'd have throw in Kenny both times.
Especially with those eliminations Kenny was the most succeptable to going home out of the big 3 on the Vets. Adam would have sent him home in the puzzle, Eric in the strength ones, there really wasn't an elimination I can see Kenny easily winning, except maybe ball brawl, Adams speed and Erics size would have been an issue though.
Theresa and Nany saying Leroy's name as a throw away
Brad/Tori throwing in Camila coninuously when she was the best girl on the team
Casey picking Robin on the Duel
Evan picking CT on the Duel
As stupid as Evan was, that was his deal with Wes. He had to take out CT. His stupid move was actually trusting Wes, who had one of the smartest moves in challenge history but striking that deal with Evan.
Thinking Kina could drag Ibis in Reverse Tug O War makes your ridiculously delusional.
Dumbest move in Vevmo history.
I love how people think Ibis is huge...Kina definitely could have beat her...and if she couldn't she's pathetic.
Ibis wasn't huge, but she was bigger and had more than a few pounds on Kina. The elimination catered to the bigger person no matter who it was. Derrick is a better athlete than Syrus, but if they Derrick chose Reverse Tug O War instead of Beach Brawl, Derrick would've been out half way through that season.
I can't post photos from my mobile but look at the second picture, Ibis is noticeably bigger than Kina. Enough to put her at an advantage in a weight pulling competition.
You said it yourself, I love Kina. Why would I be pushing a loss against her if it wasn't probable? Kina is tiny as ****, same as Jillian. They both would've gotten beaten by any of the Rookie girls besides Cameran, especially Ibis. ****, I would've liked to see Jodi vs. Ibis and I think it could've been close.
But with that, I'll keep my opinion right where it started and bow out of the discussion. When the next arises, I will join back in.
They really should have just done a couple "on-line" seasons of Road Rules with the Fresh Meat kids if they weren't willing to do a full season. Evan/Kenny/Ryan/Chanda/Evelyn/Diem could have been interesting. Casey/Aviv/Eric/Johnnie being the alternates...sorry Linette and Jesse. Second time would have been...Theresa/Laurel/CaraMaria/Pete/Noor/Brandon...Carley/Mandi/Vinny/Luke as alternates. Laurel/Theresa/Cara being in an RV together could have been gold.
They really should have just done a couple "on-line" seasons of Road Rules with the Fresh Meat kids if they weren't willing to do a full season. Evan/Kenny/Ryan/Chanda/Evelyn/Diem could have been interesting. Casey/Aviv/Eric/Johnnie being the alternates...sorry Linette and Jesse. Second time would have been...Theresa/Laurel/CaraMaria/Pete/Noor/Brandon...Carley/Mandi/Vinny/Luke as alternates. Laurel/Theresa/Cara being in an RV together could have been gold.
I will never understand what was so hard about reviving RR & bringing it back to the basics but I feel like Road Rules was just a bit too "positive" for MTV's liking.
They really should have just done a couple "on-line" seasons of Road Rules with the Fresh Meat kids if they weren't willing to do a full season. Evan/Kenny/Ryan/Chanda/Evelyn/Diem could have been interesting. Casey/Aviv/Eric/Johnnie being the alternates...sorry Linette and Jesse. Second time would have been...Theresa/Laurel/CaraMaria/Pete/Noor/Brandon...Carley/Mandi/Vinny/Luke as alternates. Laurel/Theresa/Cara being in an RV together could have been gold.
I will never understand what was so hard about reviving RR & bringing it back to the basics but I feel like Road Rules was just a bit too "positive" for MTV's liking.
I think with RR they think it's too much of an investment for a franchise that's not that big. And I doubt teens today would be interested in Road Rules today.
Production bringing on people who didn't appear on The Real World or Road Rules.
Specifically Fresh Meat 1, Spring Break Challenge & AYTO. Hopefully the Bloodlines don't follow suit.
So basically every casting outside the show, except FM2 lol
Honestly FM was just as bad because most of them were useless and just did nothing but took spots that could have went to legit cast members whom would've actually done something for the show.
Production bringing on people who didn't appear on The Real World or Road Rules.
Specifically Fresh Meat 1, Spring Break Challenge & AYTO. Hopefully the Bloodlines don't follow suit.
So basically every casting outside the show, except FM2 lol
Honestly FM was just as bad because most of them were useless and just did nothing but took spots that could have went to legit cast members whom would've actually done something for the show.
This is something you don't know because there are plenty of castmembers who add nothing to the show who came from the core of the show and are still constantly cast.
Production bringing on people who didn't appear on The Real World or Road Rules.
Specifically Fresh Meat 1, Spring Break Challenge & AYTO. Hopefully the Bloodlines don't follow suit.
So basically every casting outside the show, except FM2 lol
Honestly FM was just as bad because most of them were useless and just did nothing but took spots that could have went to legit cast members whom would've actually done something for the show.
This is something you don't know because there are plenty of castmembers who add nothing to the show who came from the core of the show and are still constantly cast.
Most of the people From DC/Cancun/New Orleans 2/Las Vegas 2 would've done more than most of the people from Fresh Meat 2 and in my mind that's a fact. You can't sit here and tell me that Andrew could bring less to the show than someone like Luke.
Idk who Andrew is so not sure, but people like Leroy, Jonna, CJ, Jessica, Preston, etc have all definitely not been worth theamount of challenge they've done (if we're going by your standards). I personally like Luke as a lulzy side character.
Production bringing on people who didn't appear on The Real World or Road Rules.
Specifically Fresh Meat 1, Spring Break Challenge & AYTO. Hopefully the Bloodlines don't follow suit.
So basically every casting outside the show, except FM2 lol
Honestly FM was just as bad because most of them were useless and just did nothing but took spots that could have went to legit cast members whom would've actually done something for the show.
This is something you don't know because there are plenty of castmembers who add nothing to the show who came from the core of the show and are still constantly cast.
Most of the people From DC/Cancun/New Orleans 2/Las Vegas 2 would've done more than most of the people from Fresh Meat 2 and in my mind that's a fact. You can't sit here and tell me that Andrew could bring less to the show than someone like Luke.
I agree. The Portland cast members IMO are the best ones from the new generation because the majority of them have always brought something to their challenge seasons. Most of them still even have real drama with each other like Johnny/Averey, Jordan/Nia, Jordan/Jessica. I think that's interesting because we don't really get to see Real Worlders interact with their original cast members on The Challenge anymore but the Portland cast is an exception.
Idk who Andrew is so not sure, but people like Leroy, Jonna, CJ, Jessica, Preston, etc have all definitely not been worth theamount of challenge they've done (if we're going by your standards). I personally like Luke as a lulzy side character.
True. But ultimately FM 2 crew was pointless and weren't needed. If we're going to have boring and useless people on the show then they need to be actual alumni and not some lame *** rejects or be from some unrelated show.
Idk who Andrew is so not sure, but people like Leroy, Jonna, CJ, Jessica, Preston, etc have all definitely not been worth theamount of challenge they've done (if we're going by your standards). I personally like Luke as a lulzy side character.
True. But ultimately FM 2 crew was pointless and weren't needed. If we're going to have boring and useless people on the show then they need to be actual alumni and not some lame *** rejects or be from some unrelated show.
There really isn't much of a difference to me and some of these people have said they rejected RW or weren't comfortable getting that personal so it's not even like they're all rejects, which I don't even really care about in the first place.
Production bringing on people who didn't appear on The Real World or Road Rules.
Specifically Fresh Meat 1, Spring Break Challenge & AYTO. Hopefully the Bloodlines don't follow suit.
So basically every casting outside the show, except FM2 lol
Honestly FM was just as bad because most of them were useless and just did nothing but took spots that could have went to legit cast members whom would've actually done something for the show.
This is something you don't know because there are plenty of castmembers who add nothing to the show who came from the core of the show and are still constantly cast.
Most of the people From DC/Cancun/New Orleans 2/Las Vegas 2 would've done more than most of the people from Fresh Meat 2 and in my mind that's a fact. You can't sit here and tell me that Andrew could bring less to the show than someone like Luke.
I agree. The Portland cast members IMO are the best ones from the new generation because the majority of them have always brought something to their challenge seasons. Most of them still even have real drama with each other like Johnny/Averey, Jordan/Nia, Jordan/Jessica. I think that's interesting because we don't really get to see Real Worlders interact with their original cast members on The Challenge anymore but the Portland cast is an exception.
Quick Note: When you think about it we don't honestly and I wish we would see more of that. It would really be nice to see how people interact with their castmates on challenges and see if their relationships changed, or stayed the same or whatever.
I remember on The Gauntlet 1 we saw Elka and Montana reconnect and talk to each other again and that's something you NEVER see on this show nowadays.
Idk who Andrew is so not sure, but people like Leroy, Jonna, CJ, Jessica, Preston, etc have all definitely not been worth theamount of challenge they've done (if we're going by your standards). I personally like Luke as a lulzy side character.
True. But ultimately FM 2 crew was pointless and weren't needed. If we're going to have boring and useless people on the show then they need to be actual alumni and not some lame *** rejects or be from some unrelated show.
There really isn't much of a difference to me and some of these people have said they rejected RW or weren't comfortable getting that personal so it's not even like they're all rejects, which I don't even really care about in the first place.
Doesn't matter. They're still rejects to me, always have been always will be.
Dumbest move was for wes to pick up Casey and mandi when Lynette, diem, and theresa were till around
True. Wes probably would've made it to the end with Thresa on Fresh Meat 2. I think he would've done about the same with Lynette and Diem as well. Make it to the end but not win.
Production bringing on people who didn't appear on The Real World or Road Rules.
Specifically Fresh Meat 1, Spring Break Challenge & AYTO. Hopefully the Bloodlines don't follow suit.
So basically every casting outside the show, except FM2 lol
Honestly FM was just as bad because most of them were useless and just did nothing but took spots that could have went to legit cast members whom would've actually done something for the show.
This is something you don't know because there are plenty of castmembers who add nothing to the show who came from the core of the show and are still constantly cast.
Most of the people From DC/Cancun/New Orleans 2/Las Vegas 2 would've done more than most of the people from Fresh Meat 2 and in my mind that's a fact. You can't sit here and tell me that Andrew could bring less to the show than someone like Luke.
I agree. The Portland cast members IMO are the best ones from the new generation because the majority of them have always brought something to their challenge seasons. Most of them still even have real drama with each other like Johnny/Averey, Jordan/Nia, Jordan/Jessica. I think that's interesting because we don't really get to see Real Worlders interact with their original cast members on The Challenge anymore but the Portland cast is an exception.
Quick Note: When you think about it we don't honestly and I wish we would see more of that. It would really be nice to see how people interact with their castmates on challenges and see if their relationships changed, or stayed the same or whatever.
I remember on The Gauntlet 1 we saw Elka and Montana reconnect and talk to each other again and that's something you NEVER see on this show nowadays.
Yes! I completely agree. I was just watching that episode a few days ago. And when David from RW: New Orleans got eliminated in the premiere, they showed him giving Matt advice on how to get further in the game. I miss those little moments. That's why I want a Seasons 3 because I enjoyed seeing the Real Worlders interact with their original cast members. A Portland team of Johnny/Jordan/Averey/Nia would be epic.
Production bringing on people who didn't appear on The Real World or Road Rules.
Specifically Fresh Meat 1, Spring Break Challenge & AYTO. Hopefully the Bloodlines don't follow suit.
So basically every casting outside the show, except FM2 lol
Honestly FM was just as bad because most of them were useless and just did nothing but took spots that could have went to legit cast members whom would've actually done something for the show.
This is something you don't know because there are plenty of castmembers who add nothing to the show who came from the core of the show and are still constantly cast.
Most of the people From DC/Cancun/New Orleans 2/Las Vegas 2 would've done more than most of the people from Fresh Meat 2 and in my mind that's a fact. You can't sit here and tell me that Andrew could bring less to the show than someone like Luke.
I agree. The Portland cast members IMO are the best ones from the new generation because the majority of them have always brought something to their challenge seasons. Most of them still even have real drama with each other like Johnny/Averey, Jordan/Nia, Jordan/Jessica. I think that's interesting because we don't really get to see Real Worlders interact with their original cast members on The Challenge anymore but the Portland cast is an exception.
**** Anastasia brought more to the challenge in two episdoes than 85% of the FMers throught their whole Challenge career.
the only ones i can think who brought more are Theresa, Laurel, Cara Maria, Evan, and Evelyn.
Theresa and Nany saying Leroy's name as a throw away
Brad/Tori throwing in Camila coninuously when she was the best girl on the team
Casey picking Robin on the Duel
Evan picking CT on the Duel
As stupid as Evan was, that was his deal with Wes. He had to take out CT. His stupid move was actually trusting Wes, who had one of the smartest moves in challenge history but striking that deal with Evan.
True. But that close to the end Evan could have just switched it and picked Brad but Wes definitely made a smart move by making a deal with Evan and manipulating him.
Especially with those eliminations Kenny was the most succeptable to going home out of the big 3 on the Vets. Adam would have sent him home in the puzzle, Eric in the strength ones, there really wasn't an elimination I can see Kenny easily winning, except maybe ball brawl, Adams speed and Erics size would have been an issue though.
Dumbest Moves:
Jordan Flipping all the Cards.
Theresa and Nany saying Leroy's name as a throw away
Brad/Tori throwing in Camila coninuously when she was the best girl on the team
Casey picking Robin on the Duel
Evan picking CT on the Duel
Thinking Kina could drag Ibis in Reverse Tug O War makes your ridiculously delusional.
Dumbest move in Vevmo history.
As stupid as Evan was, that was his deal with Wes. He had to take out CT. His stupid move was actually trusting Wes, who had one of the smartest moves in challenge history but striking that deal with Evan.
I love how people think Ibis is huge...Kina definitely could have beat her...and if she couldn't she's pathetic.
Ibis wasn't huge, but she was bigger and had more than a few pounds on Kina. The elimination catered to the bigger person no matter who it was. Derrick is a better athlete than Syrus, but if they Derrick chose Reverse Tug O War instead of Beach Brawl, Derrick would've been out half way through that season.
I can't post photos from my mobile but look at the second picture, Ibis is noticeably bigger than Kina. Enough to put her at an advantage in a weight pulling competition.
https://myspace.com/ibisdelmar/mixes
You said it yourself, I love Kina. Why would I be pushing a loss against her if it wasn't probable? Kina is tiny as ****, same as Jillian. They both would've gotten beaten by any of the Rookie girls besides Cameran, especially Ibis. ****, I would've liked to see Jodi vs. Ibis and I think it could've been close.
But with that, I'll keep my opinion right where it started and bow out of the discussion. When the next arises, I will join back in.
Production bringing on people who didn't appear on The Real World or Road Rules.
Specifically Fresh Meat 1, Spring Break Challenge & AYTO. Hopefully the Bloodlines don't follow suit.
They really should have just done a couple "on-line" seasons of Road Rules with the Fresh Meat kids if they weren't willing to do a full season. Evan/Kenny/Ryan/Chanda/Evelyn/Diem could have been interesting. Casey/Aviv/Eric/Johnnie being the alternates...sorry Linette and Jesse. Second time would have been...Theresa/Laurel/CaraMaria/Pete/Noor/Brandon...Carley/Mandi/Vinny/Luke as alternates. Laurel/Theresa/Cara being in an RV together could have been gold.
So basically every casting outside the show, except FM2 lol
I will never understand what was so hard about reviving RR & bringing it back to the basics but I feel like Road Rules was just a bit too "positive" for MTV's liking.
Pretty much. Aviv/Chanda/Johnnie/Simone are cool though.
Simone!!?? She didn't do jack.
I think with RR they think it's too much of an investment for a franchise that's not that big. And I doubt teens today would be interested in Road Rules today.
Honestly FM was just as bad because most of them were useless and just did nothing but took spots that could have went to legit cast members whom would've actually done something for the show.
This is something you don't know because there are plenty of castmembers who add nothing to the show who came from the core of the show and are still constantly cast.
Most of the people From DC/Cancun/New Orleans 2/Las Vegas 2 would've done more than most of the people from Fresh Meat 2 and in my mind that's a fact. You can't sit here and tell me that Andrew could bring less to the show than someone like Luke.
Idk who Andrew is so not sure, but people like Leroy, Jonna, CJ, Jessica, Preston, etc have all definitely not been worth theamount of challenge they've done (if we're going by your standards). I personally like Luke as a lulzy side character.
I agree. The Portland cast members IMO are the best ones from the new generation because the majority of them have always brought something to their challenge seasons. Most of them still even have real drama with each other like Johnny/Averey, Jordan/Nia, Jordan/Jessica. I think that's interesting because we don't really get to see Real Worlders interact with their original cast members on The Challenge anymore but the Portland cast is an exception.
True. But ultimately FM 2 crew was pointless and weren't needed. If we're going to have boring and useless people on the show then they need to be actual alumni and not some lame *** rejects or be from some unrelated show.
Basing it off her AYTO appearance...if she ever does another Challenge, it's possible she'll finally lure someone into her drama trap lmaooo
There really isn't much of a difference to me and some of these people have said they rejected RW or weren't comfortable getting that personal so it's not even like they're all rejects, which I don't even really care about in the first place.
Dumbest move was for wes to pick up Casey and mandi when Lynette, diem, and theresa were till around
Quick Note: When you think about it we don't honestly and I wish we would see more of that. It would really be nice to see how people interact with their castmates on challenges and see if their relationships changed, or stayed the same or whatever.
I remember on The Gauntlet 1 we saw Elka and Montana reconnect and talk to each other again and that's something you NEVER see on this show nowadays.
Doesn't matter. They're still rejects to me, always have been always will be.
True. Wes probably would've made it to the end with Thresa on Fresh Meat 2. I think he would've done about the same with Lynette and Diem as well. Make it to the end but not win.
Yes! I completely agree. I was just watching that episode a few days ago. And when David from RW: New Orleans got eliminated in the premiere, they showed him giving Matt advice on how to get further in the game. I miss those little moments. That's why I want a Seasons 3 because I enjoyed seeing the Real Worlders interact with their original cast members. A Portland team of Johnny/Jordan/Averey/Nia would be epic.
**** Anastasia brought more to the challenge in two episdoes than 85% of the FMers throught their whole Challenge career.
the only ones i can think who brought more are Theresa, Laurel, Cara Maria, Evan, and Evelyn.
EDIT: and Diem
Wow. never realized that before.
True. But that close to the end Evan could have just switched it and picked Brad but Wes definitely made a smart move by making a deal with Evan and manipulating him.
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