The Challenge: State of the Culture

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TuesDaze wrote:

Yeah I'm estatic to have Theo and Cain now that was a good move.

Despite being my number 1 next season, Ashley Cain is quite dumb and a *******, so he'll be on the same category as Cory. However, he's stacked so I can't complain. Theo could be more interesting...Graphik excellent analysis. Plus, there's also a reason why they stopped casting Darrell after his win on CvsS. They clearly don't want a Black man having the most wins in the history of the show; especially since it's held by their ****** golden boy. But as usual, everything is just a coincidence.

yeah Theo seems like he can be the full package I'm very high on him hoping he impresses 

Theo is returning? 

Theo is returning? 

New Theo lmao 

Cochroach wrote:

Theo is returning? 

New Theo lmao 

Where he from? like who is dude

Lmao on FB people so quick to bring up Kam wearing makeup but says nothing about anyone else. Just shows you how they will find any reason to hate hahah

Graphik wrote:

Cochroach wrote:Theo is returning? 

New Theo lmao 

Where he from? like who is dude

Theo Campbell from Love Island UK; 6'5" athlete on the next Challenge season.

Let's not even get on that Shaleen topic smmfh there are no words for that whole thing honestly but it brings even more validation for why John Gaines or any other athlete from these shows (Fear Factor, Ninja Warrior, The Titan Games, etc.) should get a shot.

Let's not even get on that Shaleen topic smmfh there are no words for that whole thing honestly but it brings even more validation for why John Gaines or any other athlete from these shows (Fear Factor, Ninja Warrior, The Titan Games, etc.) should get a shot.

hoping J.J. Woods gets a shot he was one of the decently popular ones from the American one 

Shaleen lmaooo

Lmao on FB people so quick to bring up Kam wearing makeup but says nothing about anyone else. Just shows you how they will find any reason to hate hahah

I saw that. these people find ANY LITTLE THING to try to take her down. Kam is honestly the full package so i don’t understand the hate, maybe bc I actually appreciate the diversity... ☕️ 

Queen shaleen And Candice deserves 

Queen shaleen And Candice deserves 

do they really tho? Let’s actually talk about it. I haven’t seen Shaleen yet so I’m not about to do her like that but the Candice’s and Simone’s like baby they are chosen for a reason and are jokes novelties and type casts for the audience to laugh at.

Im not one to even get into respectability politics y’all know this but rarely does MTV allow someone to get in that will shake the Table. Kam even getting in the door was by chance of theme for Vendettas. Luckily she’s in and has been doing the do and leaving these casuals with CRUMBS to find reasons to hate her.

like Graphik has said before a Cydney from Survivor needs to get in before we get more Candice’s and Simone’s 

Dont do Simone like that....

Simone is beautiful but...Shes definitely hand picked for a reason lol. 

Simone is beautiful but...Shes definitely hand picked for a reason lol. 

gorgeous and I follow her on social media she’s a great person but while on this show she was used as a novelty and pushed in that direction. Then boom she argues with Shane about this very topic and suddenly she’s no where on the casting map. We have to read between the lines it’s so apparent 

Didnt Cory try to make a point like this? Im surprised hes still a babyface to the show. Even getting on Teen Mom or whatever, 

Simone and Candice are nothing alike. Simone was pretty and had actually a personality. Yes, it was quite stereotypical but she would have been a great ally for The Lavenders/TYB. She would have delivered drama wise at very least.

Candice was kinda unattractive, air-headed and would have followed the popular crowd without even questioning it. She would have been a Bananas puppet . Nothing would come out good with her. 

Shaleen, I don’t know her so I won’t give any opinion until I see her.

Graphik wrote:

Let's not even get on that Shaleen topic smmfh there are no words for that whole thing honestly but it brings even more validation for why John Gaines or any other athlete from these shows (Fear Factor, Ninja Warrior, The Titan Games, etc.) should get a shot.

hoping J.J. Woods gets a shot he was one of the decently popular ones from the American one 

Najee Richardson too but he's kinda short lol Karsten Williams & Tremayne Dortch are some other potentials.

Didnt Cory try to make a point like this? Im surprised hes still a babyface to the show. Even getting on Teen Mom or whatever, 

yeah he made a very similar point to how they cast them and etc but with Cory he’s conventionally attractive and has Ryder and Cheyenne plus he started the whole anti their veteran pets thing for the trilogy. So as far as narratives he’s needed 

Simone and Candice are nothing alike. Simone was pretty and had actually a personality. Yes, it was quite stereotypical but she would have been a great ally for The Lavenders/TYB. She would have delivered drama wise at very least.Candice was kinda unattractive, air-headed and would have followed the popular crowd without even questioning it. She would have been a Bananas puppet . Nothing would come out good with her. Shaleen, I don’t know her so I won’t give any opinion until I see her.

oh yes Danish don’t mistake me for saying they are similar lord knows all black women aren’t a monolith I’m more or less speaking from how MTV views them as pieces of the narrative season to season. There’s intentional casting decisions going on most of the time. Obviously exceptions exist but MTV isn’t slick in my eyes 

MalikOnFleek wrote:

Queen shaleen And Candice deserves 

do they really tho? Let’s actually talk about it. I haven’t seen Shaleen yet so I’m not about to do her like that but the Candice’s and Simone’s like baby they are chosen for a reason and are jokes novelties and type casts for the audience to laugh at.Im not one to even get into respectability politics y’all know this but rarely does MTV allow someone to get in that will shake the Table. Kam even getting in the door was by chance of theme for Vendettas. Luckily she’s in and has been doing the do and leaving these casuals with CRUMBS to find reasons to hate her.like Graphik has said before a Cydney from Survivor needs to get in before we get more Candice’s and Simone’s 

Michaela too.

I love Day dearly but I know they clearly (and I know the trash Challenge casual audience does as well) think of her as LaToya/Simone's "sassy, loud AA girl" replacement. She's a good competitor but the Nia's, Kam's, Cydney's & Michaela's are very under-represented.

I wonder if Meagan Martin (American Ninja Warrior) would do this show & I wonder if they would act blind & pretend they've never known she exists b/c she'll destroy ALL of these girls doing the show now, NInja & Mattie likely included.

DanishBoy wrote:

Simone and Candice are nothing alike. Simone was pretty and had actually a personality. Yes, it was quite stereotypical but she would have been a great ally for The Lavenders/TYB. She would have delivered drama wise at very least.Candice was kinda unattractive, air-headed and would have followed the popular crowd without even questioning it. She would have been a Bananas puppet . Nothing would come out good with her. Shaleen, I don’t know her so I won’t give any opinion until I see her.

oh yes Debut don’t mistake me for saying they are similar lord knows all black women aren’t a monolith I’m more or less speaking from how MTV views them as pieces of the narrative season to season. There’s intentional casting decisions going on most of the time. Obviously exceptions exist but MTV isn’t slick in my eyes 

Speaking of Queen Simone I MISS HER. She gave MTV so much good television during her time & they treated her like a ******* throwaway smmfh. To know that the whole convo leading up to her v.s. off-brand Shane was the exact same thing we're currently talking about (to which that trash Raines brother actually got mad at) & tried to attack her but they tried to edit it like SHE was the one mad about him not greasing her ******* scalp of all things.......both her and Toya peaced out & I don't blame them one bit.

She's currently winning tho, looking gorgeous as ever & getting ready to release some music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

TuesDaze wrote:

MalikOnFleek wrote:Queen shaleen And Candice deserves 

do they really tho? Let’s actually talk about it. I haven’t seen Shaleen yet so I’m not about to do her like that but the Candice’s and Simone’s like baby they are chosen for a reason and are jokes novelties and type casts for the audience to laugh at.Im not one to even get into respectability politics y’all know this but rarely does MTV allow someone to get in that will shake the Table. Kam even getting in the door was by chance of theme for Vendettas. Luckily she’s in and has been doing the do and leaving these casuals with CRUMBS to find reasons to hate her.like Graphik has said before a Cydney from Survivor needs to get in before we get more Candice’s and Simone’s 

Michaela too.I love Day dearly but I know they clearly (and I know the trash Challenge casual audience does as well) think of her as LaToya/Simone's "sassy, loud AA girl" replacement. She's a good competitor but the Nia's, Kam's, Cydney's & Michaela's are very under-represented.I wonder if Meagan Martin (American Ninja Warrior) would do this show & I wonder if they would act blind & pretend they've never known she exists b/c she'll destroy ALL of these girls doing the show now, NInja & Mattie likely included.

it’d be a done deal if Meagan was on here. Not only does she have the  Ninja Experience but she also has the height. Who’s seeing her?? 

DanishBoy wrote:

Simone and Candice are nothing alike. Simone was pretty and had actually a personality. Yes, it was quite stereotypical but she would have been a great ally for The Lavenders/TYB. She would have delivered drama wise at very least.Candice was kinda unattractive, air-headed and would have followed the popular crowd without even questioning it. She would have been a Bananas puppet . Nothing would come out good with her. Shaleen, I don’t know her so I won’t give any opinion until I see her.

oh yes Debut don’t mistake me for saying they are similar lord knows all black women aren’t a monolith I’m more or less speaking from how MTV views them as pieces of the narrative season to season. There’s intentional casting decisions going on most of the time. Obviously exceptions exist but MTV isn’t slick in my eyes 

You’re right, and sadly it will getting worse. 

Despite I love Da’Vonne, she needs to get out of it, or at very least, doing this show casually, because I can see at some point, she could snap and it will be pretty ugly, for them in a short run; for her, for us in the long run.

Also Graphik you brought up Titan Games with The Rock right? I wanted to check that out do you recommend? It looks like a soft reboot of American Gladiators tbh

Davonne does need to improve her mental stamina though. I think she could be a good competitor but just like every other AA (aside from Kam so far) She’s taking game moves personal. Thats the easiest way to lose these games

I think thats another issue on these reality tv shows. As black folk we go on those shows and think that someones word is bond... So when they do get screwed over or things dont go as planned they crack. It’s definitely based on our upbringing though. We are put in situations where we HAVE to value loyalty and trust, so when people are ao easily to disregard those traits it makes us go crazy. We know Leroy an enabler but even he fail victim to this multiple times.. I just want mentally strong people representing us, Thats why when Darrell said that Tony didnt beat him based on luck, HOWEVER he doesnt feel defeated I could do nothing but slow clap. If more of our people had a victor mentality instead of a victim mentality we would literally RUN the challenge

Also Graphik you brought up Titan Games with The Rock right? I wanted to check that out do you recommend? It looks like a soft reboot of American Gladiators tbh

Yeah I liked it but I like all these types of shows lmao I'm currently about to binge that show Strong on Netflix. A Haitian dude won for the male side on the 1st episode.

Damn I wish I didn’t have to go to work, I would love to talk about this. But to keep it short Day needs to train like Cochroach said mentally and I think physically. Is she the worst? Nope. But she has the potential to be better. I do wish that the women they cast on the show took training a little more serious like Kam does. I would love to see one of us win. We’re waaay past overdue for it at this point.

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