The Challenge: Spies, Lies and Allies - Ratings

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I think it makes sense. The casuals don't like the fact that more than 25% of the cast is comprised of rookies and they are not invested in the Big Brother people whatsoever. I feel like they don't really care that much about changing the current format. They just hope the challenges are sufficiently competitive. 

I forgot that a lot of casuals are annoyed by the presence of international cast members.

 

 

These international " stars " aren't bringing anything number wise to the show. They need to go back to the basics and leave these people no one knows about at home. Lmao the only rookies I knew before filming were Tommy Michele and Michaela

I didn't even know those names! The ppl I knew were Kelz (boring on his og show) and Ed (he was like on 4 episodes on the circle).

Girl I just know you be confused as hell when they tell you the names of these rookies that are on the season. I have a headache just thinking about it. Y'all have to go through social media pages just to find these random rookies. Y'all have my sympathy because I could never do it 

Tell me about it at some point during the casting of the season I was told a power ranger actor getting a call lmaoooo

The Tacha army was harassing me on twitter for days telling me that she was going to bring the rating to MTV....

I find it funny that Survivor fans complain about returning players but Challenge fans dislike new players. 

I'm still not over 12 dates of Christmas lmaoo 

I haven't watched recent seasons when they aired but binged Vendettas-War of the Worlds 2 this summer. (I couldn't finish Total Madness).

They introduced a ton of new cast those seasons.  Davonne, Bear, Kayleigh, Georgia, Joss, Rogan, Turbo, Paulie, Theo, Dee, Ninja, Kam, Kailiah, Natalie etc and still had popular vets on those seasons as they were introduced.  And just as the fans get used to all of those new castmembers, here were are just 2 years later and most of these newbies are totally AWOL and missing.  For a variety of reasons.  And now you introduce 20 more rookies with a much weaker veteran roster to anchor it.  It's too much for the fans.  They probably are burnt out and say why bother when there will be 20 new international rookies on the next one.   I know it's hard for the "Challenge Gods" to accept but the fans watch for the cast, not their silly themes and torture. Lol "There has been a heist at headquarters, previous gems have been stolen:" Please! 

 

 

Okay those ratings are not good. Really thought it would go up not down. 

I enjoyed the episode, but I understand why the season isn't doing so well so far. They need to let this be a wake up call and go back to the basics. But we all know they're not gonna do anything about it (:

These are the damn problems IMO:

Time Slot with Big Brother 

International people that no one knows about 

The same vets over and over again 

Cringey themes like "gems have been stolen"

MTV itself and what comes on before and after The Challenge airs ( Ridiclousness ) 

Not casting ppl who fans are really wanting to see and follow from their original shows 

These are the damn problems IMO:

Time Slot with Big Brother 

International people that no one knows about 

The same vets over and over again 

Cringey themes like "gems have been stolen"

MTV itself and what comes on before and after The Challenge airs ( Ridiclousness ) 

Not casting ppl who fans are really wanting to see and follow from their original shows 

All this. Plus they edit out all the drama to keep the cheesy disney channel original spy movie vibes and no one wants to watch that.

I find it funny that Survivor fans complain about returning players but Challenge fans dislike new players. 

What?  Since when didn't Survivor fans like returning players?   They tend to prefer all returnees or all new but it's not anti-returning at all.

And other than Fresh Meat this show was never about "new people"--it was about seeing RW/RR cast on a different format.  Even AYTO, EOTB, BB or Survivor at least aren't randoms.  

MTV itself and what comes on before and after The Challenge airs ( Ridiclousness ) 

I thought Cribs was on after it--was that only episode 1?

624k yikes.... Double agents which was not that long ago was always doing close to a million consistently. 

Oh it's getting bad for mtv you love to see it !!!

On a serious note the main problem for me is that the vets that keep coming back are some of those that I am over it's bad when my fav from the vet is CT and I don't even like him that much. Then the rookies are people I don't have a connection with I miss when I used to watch real world and even Ayto wanted to see someone do that transition.

On a serious note the main problem for me is that the vets that keep coming back are some of those that I am over it's bad when my fav from the vet is CT and I don't even like him that much. Then the rookies are people I don't have a connection with I miss when I used to watch real world and even Ayto wanted to see someone do that transition.

Now you got everyone from wrestlers to ********* trying to get on 

On a serious note the main problem for me is that the vets that keep coming back are some of those that I am over it's bad when my fav from the vet is CT and I don't even like him that much. Then the rookies are people I don't have a connection with I miss when I used to watch real world and even Ayto wanted to see someone do that transition.

All of this--they lost the point of the show but ratings supported their decision so they double downed.  They don't do a good job rotating vets, they don't do a great job casting, etc.  They have all of Survivor and BB to work with and they're finding random people that no one is going to care about long term.  Kyle and, I guess, Big T are the only internationals that have really stuck.  I still think they'd be making Jackson the face of the show right now if he wasn't problematic  lol

These are the damn problems IMO:

Time Slot with Big Brother 

International people that no one knows about 

The same vets over and over again 

Cringey themes like "gems have been stolen"

MTV itself and what comes on before and after The Challenge airs ( Ridiclousness ) 

Not casting ppl who fans are really wanting to see and follow from their original shows 

I swear I watched it with my sister and she was astonished to see that most of the vet cast was from the previous season she was looking for some vets she hadn't seen in awhile

These are the damn problems IMO:

Time Slot with Big Brother 

International people that no one knows about 

The same vets over and over again 

Cringey themes like "gems have been stolen"

MTV itself and what comes on before and after The Challenge airs ( Ridiclousness ) 

Not casting ppl who fans are really wanting to see and follow from their original shows 

I swear I watched it with my sister and she was astonished to see that most of the vet cast was from the previous season she was looking for some vets she hadn't seen in awhile

I feel like those "vets we haven't seen in a while" aren't ever coming back.  We'll never get another random Veronica Brad or Shane.  Maybe we'll get a Laurel or John returns but that's about it.  Kam will obviously likely be back but nothing interesting.

On a serious note the main problem for me is that the vets that keep coming back are some of those that I am over it's bad when my fav from the vet is CT and I don't even like him that much. Then the rookies are people I don't have a connection with I miss when I used to watch real world and even Ayto wanted to see someone do that transition.

exactly I'm expecting Lohan Beach Club/Shot @ Love/ Floribama/ Too Hot To Handle/ The Circle &  even the past two seasons of Love Island maybe some influencers from America that are known, a BGC girl that would show out, like the EOTB casting is more inclusive and notable than this shit. 

Oh it's getting bad for mtv you love to see it !!!

 

These are the damn problems IMO:

Time Slot with Big Brother 

International people that no one knows about 

The same vets over and over again 

Cringey themes like "gems have been stolen"

MTV itself and what comes on before and after The Challenge airs ( Ridiclousness ) 

Not casting ppl who fans are really wanting to see and follow from their original shows 

I swear I watched it with my sister and she was astonished to see that most of the vet cast was from the previous season she was looking for some vets she hadn't seen in awhile

I feel like those "vets we haven't seen in a while" aren't ever coming back.  We'll never get another random Veronica Brad or Shane.  Maybe we'll get a Laurel or John returns but that's about it.  Kam will obviously likely be back but nothing interesting.

when I mean in awhile I mean like the regulars or just notables from the past six or seven seasons maybe eight -- we already know Veronica & the gang ain't returning and if they are it won't be here -- someone like Ashley, Cory, Josh, KC & Kyle no matter how fan fave they are shouldn't be on consecutively as they have been and it shows production is scared to give certain people breaks 

The closest thing to a old vet return from time to time we'll get is Laurel Darrell Wes or Bananas 

when I mean in awhile I mean like the regulars or just notables from the past six or seven seasons maybe eight -- we already know Veronica & the gang ain't returning and if they are it won't be here -- someone like Ashley, Cory, Josh, KC & Kyle no matter how fan fave they are shouldn't be on consecutively as they have been and it shows production is scared to give certain people breaks 

We want the same thing but I don't think it's about being "scared" to give people breaks as opposed to they want to the same cast over and over again and have cut out most other vets.  See Kyle.  They like Kyle--he gives them what they ask for so they cast him because it works best for them.  If I wanted this to me my life I wouldn't take a season off either--if you do you might be done.

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624k yikes.... Double agents which was not that long ago was always doing close to a million consistently. 

Double Agents was during more lockdown and colder weather. it's warmer out and theres less lockdown. its also still sunlight at 8pm this time of year which plays a big factor in ratings. they should shift it to 9pm or 10pm.

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