My favorite question that Averey got asked was: "Do you think it is hypocritical of Johnny to tell you that you were "brainwashed" by Wes, when he is obviously a follower and clearly manipulated by Bananas?"
I think that's a pretty dumb question actually. There's a huge difference between those two relationships.
A.) Reilly actually knew Bananas and was aware of his character enough to know whether or not he was trustworthy. He started out being ambivalent to him and then grew to know and like him. Averey knew Wes for a week before that started to happen.
B.) According to Reilly, the only thing he had going on with Johnny, apart from friendship, was an unspoken you don't vote for me, I don't vote for you. I'm not sure how he was being manipulated. He had other alliances...he had other people he was loyal to. What did he do this season that Bananas convinced him to? Nothing. Wes had Averey making his bed for him. And also managed to convince her to be mad at Johnny over being voted in when he admitted that it had nothing to do with Bananas, and everything to with getting in a better position with Jordan/Zach, and Averey wasn't as important to him as Jay, Adam, Zach, or Sarah.
(Nothing against you for posting that someone asked that. I just think it's a stupid question and someone trying to kiss ***).
My favorite question that Averey got asked was: "Do you think it is hypocritical of Johnny to tell you that you were "brainwashed" by Wes, when he is obviously a follower and clearly manipulated by Bananas?"
I think that's a pretty dumb question actually. There's a huge difference between those two relationships.
A.) Reilly actually knew Bananas and was aware of his character enough to know whether or not he was trustworthy. He started out being ambivalent to him and then grew to know and like him. Averey knew Wes for a week before that started to happen.
B.) According to Reilly, the only thing he had going on with Johnny, apart from friendship, was an unspoken you don't vote for me, I don't vote for you. I'm not sure how he was being manipulated. He had other alliances...he had other people he was loyal to. What did he do this season that Bananas convinced him to? Nothing. Wes had Averey making his bed for him. And also managed to convince her to be mad at Johnny over being voted in when he admitted that it had nothing to do with Bananas, and everything to with getting in a better position with Jordan/Zach, and Averey wasn't as important to him as Jay, Adam, Zach, or Sarah.
(Nothing against you for posting that someone asked that. I just think it's a stupid question and someone trying to kiss ***).
Agree with all of this. Reily actually grew to like Bananas and develop a friendship. He didn't run into FA being up his ***. BIG difference
Battle of the Seasons with Jordan, Johnny, Avery and Nia would be perfect. All 4 of them have butted heads with one another in the past and would be solid competition. Putting them against strong teams like Leroy, Dustin, Cooke, Nany and similar teams would be great to watch.
My favorite question that Averey got asked was: "Do you think it is hypocritical of Johnny to tell you that you were "brainwashed" by Wes, when he is obviously a follower and clearly manipulated by Bananas?"
I think that's a pretty dumb question actually. There's a huge difference between those two relationships.
A.) Reilly actually knew Bananas and was aware of his character enough to know whether or not he was trustworthy. He started out being ambivalent to him and then grew to know and like him. Averey knew Wes for a week before that started to happen.
B.) According to Reilly, the only thing he had going on with Johnny, apart from friendship, was an unspoken you don't vote for me, I don't vote for you. I'm not sure how he was being manipulated. He had other alliances...he had other people he was loyal to. What did he do this season that Bananas convinced him to? Nothing. Wes had Averey making his bed for him. And also managed to convince her to be mad at Johnny over being voted in when he admitted that it had nothing to do with Bananas, and everything to with getting in a better position with Jordan/Zach, and Averey wasn't as important to him as Jay, Adam, Zach, or Sarah.
(Nothing against you for posting that someone asked that. I just think it's a stupid question and someone trying to kiss ***).
I just listened to the interview and what I took from it is Averey is still very bitter about everything. I loved her on Portland and I think she is a cool person aside from the Johnny situation but she is just acting immature about it at this point. Yeah should Bananas/CT have been ***** to her based off of Reily's story? No. But I gurantee she came into the house with a nasty/bitter attiude considering Bananas said on the aftershow that everything Johnny said about her was how she acted. She is saying that Reily is dumb for not taking Wes's deal to be in alliance with him...Are you joking? Why would you leave the alliance with your ACTUAL friends to go be in alliance with someone you don't really know and is known for screwing people over. She was also acting like Bananas screwed them over saying he will throw Johnny in and give him a lame excuse...uh actually Wes has screwed way more people over than Bananas. I love Wes but the better side to choose is Bananas. It is clear she doesn't know/understand the game and she is judging it based off of her personal issues with Reily/Nany. I really hope she can eventually get over this because I miss the old Averey not acting so immature.
Also it is quite annoying she acts like she isn't doing another challenge or won't give an answer when I gurantee she will be back. This just shows how bitter she still is. She told Reily she wasn't going on Exes and then Reily and all of them laughed in her face because they knew she was lying since Nany was going to be paired with Bananas since they knew the format. She came in lying so people already had a bad perception of her by the way she acting before that. Also in another interview she was acting like she wasn't doing the aftershows and then she was there...like okay it is kind of stupid at this point how she is acting. It was funny when Wes did it on the ruins because legit noone knew the format but now she just keeps doing it when it is balantly obvious she is going to be there. Like everyone knew you were gonna be on Exes because of the format dude.... She is just acting so immature about this situation which sucks because I think she is way better person than that.
I just think she's weird. I don't like her, I don't dislike her, I do find her very attractive, but I just find her strange. She tells Reilly to just sack up and deal with the fact that they're going into elimination, but she comes at him accusing him of being the reason and crying about it and the personal aspects. She says that she wants to be cool and resolve things etc., but she's the one that makes the point that they can't sit next to each other on the afterbuzz couch to do an interview (like the one foot of width that Roxy put between them really made a difference...). She's mad at him for hooking up with Nany post-breakup, but was hooking up with current boyfriend at the same time. She doesn't care what Reilly thinks, but she says she'd hook up with Adam to make him uncomfortable.
I've also found the pretend I'm not going on the show thing stupid. It was probably cool on some level when Wes did it because he had taken a long break and his last challenge was a win and he had this whole reputation, but did anyone really give a damn about Averey? When she said no one knew Reilly should've said, "Averey...27 of the 28 people confirmed (or whatever the numbers were minus AYTO), we had 13 girls, and 14 guys. They all paired up, with me left over. Do you REALLY think we didn't know you were coming?"
I just think she's weird. I don't like her, I don't dislike her, I do find her very attractive, but I just find her strange. She tells Reilly to just sack up and deal with the fact that they're going into elimination, but she comes at him accusing him of being the reason and crying about it and the personal aspects. She says that she wants to be cool and resolve things etc., but she's the one that makes the point that they can't sit next to each other on the afterbuzz couch to do an interview (like the one foot of width that Roxy put between them really made a difference...). She's mad at him for hooking up with Nany post-breakup, but was hooking up with current boyfriend at the same time. She doesn't care what Reilly thinks, but she says she'd hook up with Adam to make him uncomfortable.
I've also found the pretend I'm not going on the show thing stupid. It was probably cool on some level when Wes did it because he had taken a long break and his last challenge was a win and he had this whole reputation, but did anyone really give a damn about Averey? When she said no one knew Reilly should've said, "Averey...27 of the 28 people confirmed (or whatever the numbers were minus AYTO), we had 13 girls, and 14 guys. They all paired up, with me left over. Do you REALLY think we didn't know you were coming?"
It is funny you say that because when Kenny did an interview and met her he said she was very strange to be around..lol
But yeah she looked stupid about the not coming thing she had this like *****y attitude like "I only told Diem" and then started laughing and Reily was like we all knew.....
Averey is kinda weird she proved that with the zombie thing on Portland and here, that is probably what made her and Johnny hook up in the first place, they both are weird.
I feel bad for her tho because Johnny ran his mouth and got to tell.his story first so everyone in the house on free agents hated her.
I hate CT and bananas for that, she was friends with Diem so its even worse for CT to talk shit about her.
My favorite question that Averey got asked was: "Do you think it is hypocritical of Johnny to tell you that you were "brainwashed" by Wes, when he is obviously a follower and clearly manipulated by Bananas?"
I think that's a pretty dumb question actually. There's a huge difference between those two relationships.
A.) Reilly actually knew Bananas and was aware of his character enough to know whether or not he was trustworthy. He started out being ambivalent to him and then grew to know and like him. Averey knew Wes for a week before that started to happen.
B.) According to Reilly, the only thing he had going on with Johnny, apart from friendship, was an unspoken you don't vote for me, I don't vote for you. I'm not sure how he was being manipulated. He had other alliances...he had other people he was loyal to. What did he do this season that Bananas convinced him to? Nothing. Wes had Averey making his bed for him. And also managed to convince her to be mad at Johnny over being voted in when he admitted that it had nothing to do with Bananas, and everything to with getting in a better position with Jordan/Zach, and Averey wasn't as important to him as Jay, Adam, Zach, or Sarah.
(Nothing against you for posting that someone asked that. I just think it's a stupid question and someone trying to kiss ***).
Yeah I agree you on that. I don't think Reilly was manipulated by Bananas. I just thought that was a funny *** question lol I wanna see Bananas on a challenge with all the girls that hate him like Averey, KellyAnne and Cara Maria.
My favorite question that Averey got asked was: "Do you think it is hypocritical of Johnny to tell you that you were "brainwashed" by Wes, when he is obviously a follower and clearly manipulated by Bananas?"
I think that's a pretty dumb question actually. There's a huge difference between those two relationships.
A.) Reilly actually knew Bananas and was aware of his character enough to know whether or not he was trustworthy. He started out being ambivalent to him and then grew to know and like him. Averey knew Wes for a week before that started to happen.
B.) According to Reilly, the only thing he had going on with Johnny, apart from friendship, was an unspoken you don't vote for me, I don't vote for you. I'm not sure how he was being manipulated. He had other alliances...he had other people he was loyal to. What did he do this season that Bananas convinced him to? Nothing. Wes had Averey making his bed for him. And also managed to convince her to be mad at Johnny over being voted in when he admitted that it had nothing to do with Bananas, and everything to with getting in a better position with Jordan/Zach, and Averey wasn't as important to him as Jay, Adam, Zach, or Sarah.
(Nothing against you for posting that someone asked that. I just think it's a stupid question and someone trying to kiss ***).
Yeah I agree you on that. I don't think Reilly was manipulated by Bananas. I just thought that was a funny *** question lol I wanna see Bananas on a challenge with all the girls that hate him like Averey, KellyAnne and Cara Maria.
Thinking about it Zach have a good set of coed rivals if they ever do one Evelyn/Kellyanne/Rachel/Cara Maria
My favorite question that Averey got asked was: "Do you think it is hypocritical of Johnny to tell you that you were "brainwashed" by Wes, when he is obviously a follower and clearly manipulated by Bananas?"
I think that's a pretty dumb question actually. There's a huge difference between those two relationships.
A.) Reilly actually knew Bananas and was aware of his character enough to know whether or not he was trustworthy. He started out being ambivalent to him and then grew to know and like him. Averey knew Wes for a week before that started to happen.
B.) According to Reilly, the only thing he had going on with Johnny, apart from friendship, was an unspoken you don't vote for me, I don't vote for you. I'm not sure how he was being manipulated. He had other alliances...he had other people he was loyal to. What did he do this season that Bananas convinced him to? Nothing. Wes had Averey making his bed for him. And also managed to convince her to be mad at Johnny over being voted in when he admitted that it had nothing to do with Bananas, and everything to with getting in a better position with Jordan/Zach, and Averey wasn't as important to him as Jay, Adam, Zach, or Sarah.
(Nothing against you for posting that someone asked that. I just think it's a stupid question and someone trying to kiss ***).
Yeah I agree you on that. I don't think Reilly was manipulated by Bananas. I just thought that was a funny *** question lol I wanna see Bananas on a challenge with all the girls that hate him like Averey, KellyAnne and Cara Maria.
Thinking about it Zach have a good set of coed rivals if they ever do one Evelyn/Kellyanne/Rachel/Cara Maria
My favorite question that Averey got asked was: "Do you think it is hypocritical of Johnny to tell you that you were "brainwashed" by Wes, when he is obviously a follower and clearly manipulated by Bananas?"
I think that's a pretty dumb question actually. There's a huge difference between those two relationships.
A.) Reilly actually knew Bananas and was aware of his character enough to know whether or not he was trustworthy. He started out being ambivalent to him and then grew to know and like him. Averey knew Wes for a week before that started to happen.
B.) According to Reilly, the only thing he had going on with Johnny, apart from friendship, was an unspoken you don't vote for me, I don't vote for you. I'm not sure how he was being manipulated. He had other alliances...he had other people he was loyal to. What did he do this season that Bananas convinced him to? Nothing. Wes had Averey making his bed for him. And also managed to convince her to be mad at Johnny over being voted in when he admitted that it had nothing to do with Bananas, and everything to with getting in a better position with Jordan/Zach, and Averey wasn't as important to him as Jay, Adam, Zach, or Sarah.
(Nothing against you for posting that someone asked that. I just think it's a stupid question and someone trying to kiss ***).
Yeah I agree you on that. I don't think Reilly was manipulated by Bananas. I just thought that was a funny *** question lol I wanna see Bananas on a challenge with all the girls that hate him like Averey, KellyAnne and Cara Maria.
Thinking about it Zach have a good set of coed rivals if they ever do one Evelyn/Kellyanne/Rachel/Cara Maria
Do you mean Bannanas? lol he also h***usie
Bananas could also be with Katie since they argued on Cutthroat but that'd be his worst partner compared to the other girls lol
She tells Reilly to just sack up and deal with the fact that they're going into elimination, but she comes at him accusing him of being the reason and crying about it and the personal aspects.
i didnt think that averys tone came off accusatory at all. she was an anchorwoman and just basically reported the news and reasons that wes had given her. the reasons were summed up as:
1) "wes doesn't trust you" - Wes/theresa seemed to focus more on this in their original exchange with averey but averey robotically and non emotionally regurgitated this to johnny in an overly concise and neutral way that actually seemed misrepresented as seemingly LESS IMPORTANT than what was demonstrated by wes. she complained about this as the main reason in her confessional but this was out of the way.
2) "we're a threat" - averey focuse more on this in the convo with her "at least its a compliment"
averey said #1 briefly and rather harmlessly, reilly became sensitive, as evidenced by his confession, and probably became pissy thus polluted the rest of the conversation as a result and the subsequent "no its not a compliment" to #2, smiling about sleeping with nany which lead to averey getting snippy snappy and telling him to sack up. averey was personal about nany but it wasnt directed aggression towards reilly until he smirked immaturely to rub it in. i thought reilly was far more inflammatory and childish in this argument.
She says that she wants to be cool and resolve things etc., but she's the one that makes the point that they can't sit next to each other on the afterbuzz couch to do an interview (like the one foot of width that Roxy put between them really made a difference...).
he made her look and feel bad and clingy on the show which was probably the source of contempt and reasoning for why she didnt want to sit next to him. she seems to be over it now and wants to be cool.
She's mad at him for hooking up with Nany post-breakup, but was hooking up with current boyfriend at the same time.
it makes no sense but a lot of people have had this problem and this is the textbook dating101 case of "i dont want it so nobody else can have it": diem/shauvon/CT, kelly anne/theresa/wes, jay/jonna/jenna/zach, kelly anne/johanna/wes have all represented this situation well on these challenges
it is hypocritical but i think her problem was more of the fact that it was done on TV(hers wasnt) and that nobody likes their partners to move on especially right in front of their faces. i chalk it up to being hurt, embarrassed or basically some other emotion.. remember, you cant argue or make sense with emotion because feelings are large irrational and contradictory to logic.
She doesn't care what Reilly thinks, but she says she'd hook up with Adam to make him uncomfortable.
the ultimate uncool thing is to admit that you care about what people think even though its an evolutionary and completely natural mechanism designed to keep human beings alive with the idea of collectivism and sticking together as a society. she probably does care though but is trying to not look or be weak so her hooking up or knowing that she has the POWER to hook up with adam is just to add into her ego and get him back for the nany thing
averey wears her heart on her sleeve and she is vulnerable to her emotional outbursts like a lot of the ohters. youll find a lot of hypocritical weird behavior from her and other populat cast mates but thats part of what makes her well liked, "real" and popular to the viewers.
averey wears her heart on her sleeve and she is vulnerable to her emotional outbursts like a lot of the ohters. youll find a lot of hypocritical weird behavior from her and other populat cast mates but thats part of what makes her well liked, "real" and popular to the viewers.
(I'm not going to quote everything just because I know I hate scrolling through the big wall o' text).
I appreciate the opinions, and there is a lot of validity to what you're saying (we can agree to disagree on the first point about who was in the wrong on the argument, like I said at the beginning of my post I have no dog in this fight at all, but just based on her overall edit, which of course is still just an edit, I'm more inclined to side with Johnny*). I understand the turmoil that Averey likely was experiencing when she went on the show, and certain behavior from Johnny probably didn't help matters. She obviously still feels strongly about him in some type of way and was dealing with a lot. But again, I don't love her, I don't hate her, I just find her a little weird (which could mean interesting on some leve, I suppose). I think there are some holes in the story she told and in a vaccuum, if I were presented with both sides of the story, I would probably find the Johnny side more believable.
* I don't want to turn this into a gender thing...I really REALLY don't...but it bothered me when on the aftershow after Leroy said he believes Johnny, Averey's response was "of course, they're boys". I think that's pretty unfair. Women don't want to be perceived as having this hive mentality, and neither do we. I believe Johnny. It's not because he has a **** and I have a ****...it's because his position seems more logical to me. If roles were reversed, I'd be siding with Averey. I think it's such a cop out when someone doesn't have a similar viewpoint with you and you just group those people together based on a characteristic that has nothing to do with the debate. If she had said something like "of course, they're friends"...that's one thing (and probably a fair point)...but all men aren't genetically predisposed to agree with each other just because we all use urinals.
Averey does seem kind of weird. Lol. On her season when Reilly was trying to get with her she even admitted it, she said "I know I'm weird!"
How do you think she would get along with the also weird/kinky/outspoken Cara Maria? Lol.
I would love to see them on a challenge together, along with KellyAnne. They could form a "We Hate Bananas" alliance haha I just realized that Bananas usually argues with the hottest girls on these shows.
You can add Leroy to the mix of hating on Averey if you saw how he acted on the aftershow mumbling insults and making faces when she was speaking. But i think Reilly/CT are actually friends off the show. well as much friends as ct allows anyone on these shows to be with him. He was training him for the elimination before diem got sick, givin averey and johnny r advice about not letting drama ruin there game like it ruined ct and diems at the start of exes 1, and from what i hear, reilly was one of the few on the shwo who knew ct and diem were an item again.
Honeslty it depends if it was teasing or mean spirited to me but averey had a huge disadvantage coming in after he ex had a chance to get in his story, last an entire season, develop relationships and trust with the main vets, and basically trash averey. She had as big a disadvantagae imo as nia did coming in on her first challenge after attacking 2 people with a blow dyer etc. I mean if you made friends with johnny last show you would probably be hating on averey too since you are johnny's friend and most firends would react the same way.
Why johnny/leroy/ct care enough to trash her though is beyond me, just let it be between them. But ct coudln't have hated on her too much if he instantly acted nice to her just after diem told him too. Averey did tweet at him about if he needed someone to talk to she was there for him after diem's passing. that was a nice gesture i thought
i like Averey but i was annoyed with her blaming johnny for everything and anything like it's your fault we are voted in, i am the innocent victim. she ewas just saying what wes made her believe. Makes me laugh when wes manipulates these people
i am so shocked wes and theresa are doing so well this season too. that was surprising. Honeslty the only season i have liked nany was seasons, but i haven't really ever cared for theresa either one way or another. but Nany has gone down hill to me each season she has been on.
Next season if Zach's on he is goin to go out of his way to be mr nice guy to get some love back. he obviously can't take the heat. i know this is extreme(the hate he is getting i mean), but on seasons he was the big bully trying to fight people and he was not like that on rivals2 at all when the vets were back and hasn't been since. Heh is a dfiferent guy each season really, but he never seemed to be particulary a good boyfriend or guy to girls in any of the shows. Using the same lines each season is telling
Averey does seem kind of weird. Lol. On her season when Reilly was trying to get with her she even admitted it, she said "I know I'm weird!"
How do you think she would get along with the also weird/kinky/outspoken Cara Maria? Lol.
cara and averey are both weird in different ways. jessica is "weird" too but averey doesnt get along with her. averey probably wouldnt say highly inappopriate things like the whole camila virginity thing but she has no problem being mean to somebody if she doesnt like them. cara is socially awkward and seems more forcefully ostracized and tries to own that by making it seem like its HER decision while averey is weird in terms of having nerd/virgin hobbies like pokemon cards and zombies but is NOT socially awkward and probably can much more easily integrate in a normal persons conversation. this season is contradictory to that but i think that has more to do with johnny making it hard for her by sneaking comments to other cast members about her.
cara seems a clingier for friendships while averey is clingier for companionship with men. averey comes off more secure and independant due to her rough upbringing. i cant ever see cara maria punching somebody in the face or getting into a full blown verbal arguments without crying or being scared. averey has said before that she and her mom used to get into fist fights before she moved out by herself at 16.
she seems to fall hard for guys though. when she's with a guy the companionship thats generated from that is enough to eclipse any possible relationship with other girls. i recall anastasia saying on portland that avery was so consumed with johnny taht she was not able to get much girl time with her.
Averey does seem kind of weird. Lol. On her season when Reilly was trying to get with her she even admitted it, she said "I know I'm weird!"
How do you think she would get along with the also weird/kinky/outspoken Cara Maria? Lol.
I would love to see them on a challenge together, along with KellyAnne. They could form a "We Hate Bananas" alliance haha I just realized that Bananas usually argues with the hottest girls on these shows.
and then he ends up hooking up with them well Kellyanne at least and I feel like if CM was single and before Bananas started dating Hannah then they would have hooked up since he said he wanted to **** her lol.
I also don't think Leroy was hating on Averey. He gave his opinion of the situation when he was asked and he even was like I don't have anything against you Averey but your story doesn't add up. I don't think Leroy did anything mean to her. Even in the zombie clip it seemed like he had no problem with her and they were both laughing about the clip on the aftershow.
But I gurantee she came into the house with a nasty/bitter attiude considering Bananas said on the aftershow that everything Johnny said about her was how she acted.
avery said that bananas was mean to her the moment she came into the house. when you have reilly poison someones name before actually meeting them its difficult to have a pure and objective opinion of the person even if you try to push those alleged beliefs to the back of your mind. those beliefs at the back of your mind will still be waving "hello" especially in bananas and reilly case where they were really good friends after agents. often people will default to a selective confirmation bias which is basically filtering evidence that only proves what youre thinking or looking for. its possible bananas heard that avery was a ***** so he only searched hard and high for averys *****iness to corroborate reillys claim while ignoring all the times she was nice. reilly told bananas that avery was a cheater probably and he used the adam scenario as "cheating" to confirm the claim but avery clearly doesnt consider what she did with adam as cheating.
keep in mind that theresa also really liked reilly before but she heard averys piece after and sided with her. whether she was being a tribalist for women or wes, since reilly was against wes, nobody realy knows but some credit should be given to avery for being able to pull one of the only people who actually decided to listen to BOTH sides of the stories. sounds to me like bananas and CT were being bullies even before they got to hear her side.
Averey does seem kind of weird. Lol. On her season when Reilly was trying to get with her she even admitted it, she said "I know I'm weird!"
How do you think she would get along with the also weird/kinky/outspoken Cara Maria? Lol.
I would love to see them on a challenge together, along with KellyAnne. They could form a "We Hate Bananas" alliance haha I just realized that Bananas usually argues with the hottest girls on these shows.
and then he ends up hooking up with them well Kellyanne at least and I feel like if CM was single and before Bananas started dating Hannah then they would have hooked up since he said he wanted to **** her lol.
I don't think she would have hooked up with him, he's not weird enough for her like Abram is.
But I gurantee she came into the house with a nasty/bitter attiude considering Bananas said on the aftershow that everything Johnny said about her was how she acted.
avery said that bananas was mean to her the moment she came into the house. when you have reilly poison someones name before actually meeting them its difficult to have a pure and objective opinion of the person even if you try to push those alleged beliefs to the back of your mind. those beliefs at the back of your mind will still be waving "hello" especially in bananas and reilly case where they were really good friends after agents. often people will default to a selective confirmation bias which is basically filtering evidence that only proves what youre thinking or looking for. its possible bananas heard that avery was a ***** so he only searched hard and high for averys *****iness to corroborate reillys claim while ignoring all the times she was nice. reilly told bananas that avery was a cheater probably and he used the adam scenario as "cheating" to confirm the claim but avery clearly doesnt consider what she did with adam as cheating.
keep in mind that theresa also really liked reilly before but she heard averys piece after and sided with her. whether she was being a tribalist for women or wes, since reilly was against wes, nobody realy knows but some credit should be given to avery for being able to pull one of the only people who actually decided to listen to BOTH sides of the stories. sounds to me like bananas and CT were being bullies even before they got to hear her side.
It's also entirely possible that she was being a ***** as well. I'm sure Reilly influenced some people against her but I doubt Averey entered the house as a perfect little princess when we've seen that she can have some cattiness/*****iness to her as well (see her treatment of Jess on their season). The truth typically lies somewhere in the middle. Do I think Averey was this she devil harpy that deserved everything she got? No. But I also doubt that Bananas was so incredibly predisposed against her that she couldn't say hi without getting attacked.
I really REALLY don't...but it bothered me when on the aftershow after Leroy said he believes Johnny, Averey's response was "of course, they're boys". I think that's pretty unfair.
thats pretty funny but straightforward that you interpreted averys response as gender related. for whatever reason i thought her saying "theyre boys" was just a figurative way of saying they're friends like how leroy has referred to mike(vegas) as "my boy" and not in the literal sense. is it possible that it could be either? i didnt hear anything said after which solidified what verbal device avery was using. also im not even sure which one would make leroys position anymore biased. would leroy be more biased for johnny beacuse hes his "boy" or a boy?
I think that's a pretty dumb question actually. There's a huge difference between those two relationships.
A.) Reilly actually knew Bananas and was aware of his character enough to know whether or not he was trustworthy. He started out being ambivalent to him and then grew to know and like him. Averey knew Wes for a week before that started to happen.
B.) According to Reilly, the only thing he had going on with Johnny, apart from friendship, was an unspoken you don't vote for me, I don't vote for you. I'm not sure how he was being manipulated. He had other alliances...he had other people he was loyal to. What did he do this season that Bananas convinced him to? Nothing. Wes had Averey making his bed for him. And also managed to convince her to be mad at Johnny over being voted in when he admitted that it had nothing to do with Bananas, and everything to with getting in a better position with Jordan/Zach, and Averey wasn't as important to him as Jay, Adam, Zach, or Sarah.
(Nothing against you for posting that someone asked that. I just think it's a stupid question and someone trying to kiss ***).
Agree with all of this. Reily actually grew to like Bananas and develop a friendship. He didn't run into FA being up his ***. BIG difference
Battle of the Seasons with Jordan, Johnny, Avery and Nia would be perfect. All 4 of them have butted heads with one another in the past and would be solid competition. Putting them against strong teams like Leroy, Dustin, Cooke, Nany and similar teams would be great to watch.
Agreed.
I just listened to the interview and what I took from it is Averey is still very bitter about everything. I loved her on Portland and I think she is a cool person aside from the Johnny situation but she is just acting immature about it at this point. Yeah should Bananas/CT have been ***** to her based off of Reily's story? No. But I gurantee she came into the house with a nasty/bitter attiude considering Bananas said on the aftershow that everything Johnny said about her was how she acted. She is saying that Reily is dumb for not taking Wes's deal to be in alliance with him...Are you joking? Why would you leave the alliance with your ACTUAL friends to go be in alliance with someone you don't really know and is known for screwing people over. She was also acting like Bananas screwed them over saying he will throw Johnny in and give him a lame excuse...uh actually Wes has screwed way more people over than Bananas. I love Wes but the better side to choose is Bananas. It is clear she doesn't know/understand the game and she is judging it based off of her personal issues with Reily/Nany. I really hope she can eventually get over this because I miss the old Averey not acting so immature.
Also it is quite annoying she acts like she isn't doing another challenge or won't give an answer when I gurantee she will be back. This just shows how bitter she still is. She told Reily she wasn't going on Exes and then Reily and all of them laughed in her face because they knew she was lying since Nany was going to be paired with Bananas since they knew the format. She came in lying so people already had a bad perception of her by the way she acting before that. Also in another interview she was acting like she wasn't doing the aftershows and then she was there...like okay it is kind of stupid at this point how she is acting. It was funny when Wes did it on the ruins because legit noone knew the format but now she just keeps doing it when it is balantly obvious she is going to be there. Like everyone knew you were gonna be on Exes because of the format dude.... She is just acting so immature about this situation which sucks because I think she is way better person than that.
I just think she's weird. I don't like her, I don't dislike her, I do find her very attractive, but I just find her strange. She tells Reilly to just sack up and deal with the fact that they're going into elimination, but she comes at him accusing him of being the reason and crying about it and the personal aspects. She says that she wants to be cool and resolve things etc., but she's the one that makes the point that they can't sit next to each other on the afterbuzz couch to do an interview (like the one foot of width that Roxy put between them really made a difference...). She's mad at him for hooking up with Nany post-breakup, but was hooking up with current boyfriend at the same time. She doesn't care what Reilly thinks, but she says she'd hook up with Adam to make him uncomfortable.
I've also found the pretend I'm not going on the show thing stupid. It was probably cool on some level when Wes did it because he had taken a long break and his last challenge was a win and he had this whole reputation, but did anyone really give a damn about Averey? When she said no one knew Reilly should've said, "Averey...27 of the 28 people confirmed (or whatever the numbers were minus AYTO), we had 13 girls, and 14 guys. They all paired up, with me left over. Do you REALLY think we didn't know you were coming?"
It is funny you say that because when Kenny did an interview and met her he said she was very strange to be around..lol
But yeah she looked stupid about the not coming thing she had this like *****y attitude like "I only told Diem" and then started laughing and Reily was like we all knew.....
Averey is kinda weird she proved that with the zombie thing on Portland and here, that is probably what made her and Johnny hook up in the first place, they both are weird.
I feel bad for her tho because Johnny ran his mouth and got to tell.his story first so everyone in the house on free agents hated her.
I hate CT and bananas for that, she was friends with Diem so its even worse for CT to talk shit about her.
Her sexual appetite is still very admirable.
"I would f**k the *** out of you!"
I love Averey and think Bananas and CT are jerks for being mean to her and not giving her a chance!
I liked that for some reason!
Yeah I agree you on that. I don't think Reilly was manipulated by Bananas. I just thought that was a funny *** question lol I wanna see Bananas on a challenge with all the girls that hate him like Averey, KellyAnne and Cara Maria.
I like how Diem told CT to be nice to Averey. Diem's so sweet (=
Thinking about it Zach have a good set of coed rivals if they ever do one Evelyn/Kellyanne/Rachel/Cara Maria
Do you mean Bannanas? lol he also h***usie
[/quote] Thinking about it Zach have a good set of coed rivals if they ever do one Evelyn/Kellyanne/Rachel/Cara Maria[/quote]
Actually, at this point, I can't think of a single female that wouldn't consider themselves his rival right now!
Bananas could also be with Katie since they argued on Cutthroat but that'd be his worst partner compared to the other girls lol
i didnt think that averys tone came off accusatory at all. she was an anchorwoman and just basically reported the news and reasons that wes had given her. the reasons were summed up as:
1) "wes doesn't trust you" - Wes/theresa seemed to focus more on this in their original exchange with averey but averey robotically and non emotionally regurgitated this to johnny in an overly concise and neutral way that actually seemed misrepresented as seemingly LESS IMPORTANT than what was demonstrated by wes. she complained about this as the main reason in her confessional but this was out of the way.
2) "we're a threat" - averey focuse more on this in the convo with her "at least its a compliment"
averey said #1 briefly and rather harmlessly, reilly became sensitive, as evidenced by his confession, and probably became pissy thus polluted the rest of the conversation as a result and the subsequent "no its not a compliment" to #2, smiling about sleeping with nany which lead to averey getting snippy snappy and telling him to sack up. averey was personal about nany but it wasnt directed aggression towards reilly until he smirked immaturely to rub it in. i thought reilly was far more inflammatory and childish in this argument.
he made her look and feel bad and clingy on the show which was probably the source of contempt and reasoning for why she didnt want to sit next to him. she seems to be over it now and wants to be cool.
it makes no sense but a lot of people have had this problem and this is the textbook dating101 case of "i dont want it so nobody else can have it": diem/shauvon/CT, kelly anne/theresa/wes, jay/jonna/jenna/zach, kelly anne/johanna/wes have all represented this situation well on these challenges
it is hypocritical but i think her problem was more of the fact that it was done on TV(hers wasnt) and that nobody likes their partners to move on especially right in front of their faces. i chalk it up to being hurt, embarrassed or basically some other emotion.. remember, you cant argue or make sense with emotion because feelings are large irrational and contradictory to logic.
the ultimate uncool thing is to admit that you care about what people think even though its an evolutionary and completely natural mechanism designed to keep human beings alive with the idea of collectivism and sticking together as a society. she probably does care though but is trying to not look or be weak so her hooking up or knowing that she has the POWER to hook up with adam is just to add into her ego and get him back for the nany thing
averey wears her heart on her sleeve and she is vulnerable to her emotional outbursts like a lot of the ohters. youll find a lot of hypocritical weird behavior from her and other populat cast mates but thats part of what makes her well liked, "real" and popular to the viewers.
Averey does seem kind of weird. Lol. On her season when Reilly was trying to get with her she even admitted it, she said "I know I'm weird!"
How do you think she would get along with the also weird/kinky/outspoken Cara Maria? Lol.
(I'm not going to quote everything just because I know I hate scrolling through the big wall o' text).
I appreciate the opinions, and there is a lot of validity to what you're saying (we can agree to disagree on the first point about who was in the wrong on the argument, like I said at the beginning of my post I have no dog in this fight at all, but just based on her overall edit, which of course is still just an edit, I'm more inclined to side with Johnny*). I understand the turmoil that Averey likely was experiencing when she went on the show, and certain behavior from Johnny probably didn't help matters. She obviously still feels strongly about him in some type of way and was dealing with a lot. But again, I don't love her, I don't hate her, I just find her a little weird (which could mean interesting on some leve, I suppose). I think there are some holes in the story she told and in a vaccuum, if I were presented with both sides of the story, I would probably find the Johnny side more believable.
* I don't want to turn this into a gender thing...I really REALLY don't...but it bothered me when on the aftershow after Leroy said he believes Johnny, Averey's response was "of course, they're boys". I think that's pretty unfair. Women don't want to be perceived as having this hive mentality, and neither do we. I believe Johnny. It's not because he has a **** and I have a ****...it's because his position seems more logical to me. If roles were reversed, I'd be siding with Averey. I think it's such a cop out when someone doesn't have a similar viewpoint with you and you just group those people together based on a characteristic that has nothing to do with the debate. If she had said something like "of course, they're friends"...that's one thing (and probably a fair point)...but all men aren't genetically predisposed to agree with each other just because we all use urinals.
I would love to see them on a challenge together, along with KellyAnne. They could form a "We Hate Bananas" alliance haha I just realized that Bananas usually argues with the hottest girls on these shows.
You can add Leroy to the mix of hating on Averey if you saw how he acted on the aftershow mumbling insults and making faces when she was speaking. But i think Reilly/CT are actually friends off the show. well as much friends as ct allows anyone on these shows to be with him. He was training him for the elimination before diem got sick, givin averey and johnny r advice about not letting drama ruin there game like it ruined ct and diems at the start of exes 1, and from what i hear, reilly was one of the few on the shwo who knew ct and diem were an item again.
Honeslty it depends if it was teasing or mean spirited to me but averey had a huge disadvantage coming in after he ex had a chance to get in his story, last an entire season, develop relationships and trust with the main vets, and basically trash averey. She had as big a disadvantagae imo as nia did coming in on her first challenge after attacking 2 people with a blow dyer etc. I mean if you made friends with johnny last show you would probably be hating on averey too since you are johnny's friend and most firends would react the same way.
Why johnny/leroy/ct care enough to trash her though is beyond me, just let it be between them. But ct coudln't have hated on her too much if he instantly acted nice to her just after diem told him too. Averey did tweet at him about if he needed someone to talk to she was there for him after diem's passing. that was a nice gesture i thought
i like Averey but i was annoyed with her blaming johnny for everything and anything like it's your fault we are voted in, i am the innocent victim. she ewas just saying what wes made her believe. Makes me laugh when wes manipulates these people
i am so shocked wes and theresa are doing so well this season too. that was surprising. Honeslty the only season i have liked nany was seasons, but i haven't really ever cared for theresa either one way or another. but Nany has gone down hill to me each season she has been on.
Next season if Zach's on he is goin to go out of his way to be mr nice guy to get some love back. he obviously can't take the heat. i know this is extreme(the hate he is getting i mean), but on seasons he was the big bully trying to fight people and he was not like that on rivals2 at all when the vets were back and hasn't been since. Heh is a dfiferent guy each season really, but he never seemed to be particulary a good boyfriend or guy to girls in any of the shows. Using the same lines each season is telling
Are Johnny and Averey going to the reunion?
and then he ends up hooking up with them well Kellyanne at least and I feel like if CM was single and before Bananas started dating Hannah then they would have hooked up since he said he wanted to **** her lol.
I also don't think Leroy was hating on Averey. He gave his opinion of the situation when he was asked and he even was like I don't have anything against you Averey but your story doesn't add up. I don't think Leroy did anything mean to her. Even in the zombie clip it seemed like he had no problem with her and they were both laughing about the clip on the aftershow.
avery said that bananas was mean to her the moment she came into the house. when you have reilly poison someones name before actually meeting them its difficult to have a pure and objective opinion of the person even if you try to push those alleged beliefs to the back of your mind. those beliefs at the back of your mind will still be waving "hello" especially in bananas and reilly case where they were really good friends after agents. often people will default to a selective confirmation bias which is basically filtering evidence that only proves what youre thinking or looking for. its possible bananas heard that avery was a ***** so he only searched hard and high for averys *****iness to corroborate reillys claim while ignoring all the times she was nice. reilly told bananas that avery was a cheater probably and he used the adam scenario as "cheating" to confirm the claim but avery clearly doesnt consider what she did with adam as cheating.
keep in mind that theresa also really liked reilly before but she heard averys piece after and sided with her. whether she was being a tribalist for women or wes, since reilly was against wes, nobody realy knows but some credit should be given to avery for being able to pull one of the only people who actually decided to listen to BOTH sides of the stories. sounds to me like bananas and CT were being bullies even before they got to hear her side.
I don't think she would have hooked up with him, he's not weird enough for her like Abram is.
It's also entirely possible that she was being a ***** as well. I'm sure Reilly influenced some people against her but I doubt Averey entered the house as a perfect little princess when we've seen that she can have some cattiness/*****iness to her as well (see her treatment of Jess on their season). The truth typically lies somewhere in the middle. Do I think Averey was this she devil harpy that deserved everything she got? No. But I also doubt that Bananas was so incredibly predisposed against her that she couldn't say hi without getting attacked.
thats pretty funny but straightforward that you interpreted averys response as gender related. for whatever reason i thought her saying "theyre boys" was just a figurative way of saying they're friends like how leroy has referred to mike(vegas) as "my boy" and not in the literal sense. is it possible that it could be either? i didnt hear anything said after which solidified what verbal device avery was using. also im not even sure which one would make leroys position anymore biased. would leroy be more biased for johnny beacuse hes his "boy" or a boy?
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