[QUOTE=hannamez8;412937]I didn't say KMV did say that? I was mentioning that Cara was in the draw and Laurel voted in someone Cara can obviously beat. When it came down to Emilee vs. Jonna, Laurel said "I don't care who comes back" because Laurel would of just crush Jonna like she did with Jasmine and Emilee was just pathetic. So it was smart for her to throw in Jonna if Cara would of gotten the kill card.[/QUOTE]
Because Jonna isn't a threat in ELIMINATIONS. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend
Laurel wanyed Jonna gone or she wouldn't have sent her in. Yes, Laurel will beat Jonna in an elimination round but in Laurel's ideal world she's not going into elimination. Laurel beats anyone in this house in an elimination but she still talked Devyn out of sending her in even though Cara wasn't in the draw. The reason is simple--you never take the risk. If you don't think Laurel would rather see Emilee in the house over Jonna then you're insane
[QUOTE=Bischoff;412939]Yeah im a straight guy what the heck. Just because I think there are better looking girls on the show than Jonna like Camila, Nany, Theresa, Ashley Kelsey just to name a few.[/QUOTE]
If you say so
[QUOTE=kvm1977;412936]You aren't being realistic though. The bold proves you refuse to read the words written.
You need to stop making assumptions and learn to read--I would greatly appreciate that[/QUOTE]
I didn't read? Are you calling me liar now? I clearly did read your comment and you repeatedly say females are jelaous of Jonna. I ignored it because that's your back up for anyone who disagrees with you about Jonna. So me ignoring it doesn't mean I did read it.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;412930]What elimination? Be specific...
The Wall...yeah Nany (and Jonna or Jessica for that matter) COULD beat Aneesa there...maybe even Cara because she's a head case sometimes
Reverse Tug-O-War...I can't see her beating anyone other than Jessica and PROBABLY Jonna
Oppenheimer...honestly, that's hard to judge
Balls In...Theresa and Cara destroy her. Aneesa vs. Nany would be interesting in Nany can avoid letting Aneesa get her hands on her.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Theresa/Cara would destroy Nany in balls in. Nany is tough and bigger than Cara. I think it could go either way against them.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;412936]You aren't being realistic though. The bold proves you refuse to read the words written.
You need to stop making assumptions and learn to read--I would greatly appreciate that[/QUOTE]
I didn't read? Are you calling me liar now? I clearly did read your comment. You repeatedly say females are jelaous of Jonna. I ignored it because that's your back up for anyone who disagrees with you about Jonna. So me ignoring it in my reply doesn't mean I didn't read it.
[QUOTE=hannamez8;412943]I didn't read? Are you calling me liar now? I clearly did read your comment and you repeatedly say females are jelaous of Jonna. I ignored it because that's your back up for anyone who disagrees with you about Jonna. So me ignoring it doesn't mean I did read it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, there are women jealous of Jonna. That's a fact.
If you had the ability to read you'd comprehend why sending in Jonna there made sense but you continue to ignore it because it proves your Cara Maria argument moot.
[QUOTE=JEKFAN;412944]I don't think Theresa/Cara would destroy Nany in balls in. Nany is tough and bigger than Cara. I think it could go either way against them.[/QUOTE]
Theresa's basketball skills would give her a huge advantage.
Cara's stronger than Nany but, okay, I could take back "destroy" there.
Id say Nany and Jonna without having either be in a final both could fair well, but i don't see either having a huge advantage over the other yet Nany is considered some tough chick and Jonna basically considered worthless. Makes no sense to me when neither has proven themselves head to head or in a final how perceptions are so different unless biased...So kvm has a point
[QUOTE=jojorules;412948]Id say Nany and Jonna without having either be in a final both could fair well, but i don't see either having a huge advantage over the other yet Nany is considered some tough chick and Jonna basically considered worthless. Makes no sense to me when neither has proven themselves head to head or in a final how perceptions are so different unless biased...So kvm has a point[/QUOTE]
Correct--Nany's just more likable so some give her more credit than someone that has been comparable to this point of their challenge careers.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;412949]Correct--Nany's just more likable so some give her more credit than someone that has been comparable to this point of their challenge careers.[/QUOTE]
Is she that much more likeable though? i see her doing almost the same stuff as Jonna does, and she also has the "bad *****" persona that jonna doesn't try to do ...I mean she is more liked but i don't see quite why really. People say ct is talked about with rose colored glasses, how about nany. i don't mind nany either don't get me wrong, but it's kind of ridiculous when you look at the jonna hatred
[QUOTE=kvm1977;412946]Yes, there are women jealous of Jonna. That's a fact.
If you had the ability to read you'd comprehend why sending in Jonna there made sense but you continue to ignore it because it proves your Cara Maria argument moot.[/QUOTE]
Okay? Good for those girls but I am not. So what is your point?
No one mentioned her looks or jealous, it is so irrelevant. Just becasue someone doesn't see Jonna has a threat doesn't mean they're jealous. You think Jordan isn't a athlete, are You jealous????
Do you see realize the connection you're trying to make sounds stupid. If you are a happy married man why are you worried if females are jealous of Jonna or not. We started this off with Jonna in a finals, looks do not matter in a finals.
I did agree that it made sense to throw in Jonna, but because Laurel's best friend was in the draw. She didn't vote in Aneesa when she had the chance in episode 2 because clearly if Cara drew the kill card that would of been a tough battle. Laurel sening in Jonna was a safe move.
[QUOTE=Bischoff;412950]KMV why are you personally attacking me when I am just stating my opinion about the show like the rest of us.[/QUOTE]
What was the attack?
[QUOTE=jojorules;412951]Is she that much more likeable though? i see her doing almost the same stuff as Jonna does, and she also has the "bad *****" persona that jonna doesn't try to do ...I mean she is more liked but i don't see quite why really. People say ct is talked about with rose colored glasses, how about nany. i don't mind nany either don't get me wrong, but it's kind of ridiculous when you look at the jonna hatred[/QUOTE]
Perception becomes reality for most. I agree that it is ridiculous
[QUOTE=hannamez8;412952]Okay? Good for those girls but I am not. So what is your point?
No one mentioned her looks or jealous, it is so irrelevant. Just becasue someone doesn't see Jonna has a threat doesn't mean they're jealous. You think Jordan isn't a athlete, are You jealous????
Do you see realize the connection you're trying to make sounds stupid. If you are a happy married man why are you worried if females are jealous of Jonna or not. We started this off with Jonna in a finals, looks do not matter in a finals.
I did agree that it made sense to throw in Jonna, but because Laurel's best friend was in the draw. She didn't vote in Aneesa when she had the chance in episode 2 because clearly if Cara drew the kill card that would of been a tough battle. Laurel sening in Jonna was a safe move.[/QUOTE]
Jealousy exists--that's my point. Some own it--some don't. Just because it isn't mentioned doesn't mean it is irrelevant or doesn't exist. There's many racists and sexists that aren't dumb enough to say there true feelings.
I never said Jordan isn't an athlete--this goes back to your inability to read.
I'm not worried about it. I wish those women wouldn't be so they could discuss things without bias. Sadly, I believe you're unable to do that and your posts here keep proving that.
Laurel sending Jonna in was a safe move while putting up someone that is a threat in the end that will likely go home. Laurel's not dumb. She's given Jonna credit in the past. She sees it--you don't...that's on you and I believe I know why.
[QUOTE=jojorules;412948]Id say Nany and Jonna without having either be in a final both could fair well, but i don't see either having a huge advantage over the other yet Nany is considered some tough chick and Jonna basically considered worthless. Makes no sense to me when neither has proven themselves head to head or in a final how perceptions are so different unless biased...So kvm has a point[/QUOTE]
So if neither has proven themselves (like you said) how would you know they're a threat when they're not even the strongest? That's what I'm trying to figure out. KMV stated that Laurel threw Jonna in because she's a threat in a final.
[QUOTE=hannamez8;412956]So if neither has proven themselves (like you said) how would you know they're a threat when they're not even the strongest? That's what I'm trying to figure out. KMV stated that Laurel threw Jonna in because she's a threat in a final.[/QUOTE]
Do you not understand what a threat it? Or that one doesn't have to prove they can win before they're a threat?
Did you Emily have to win a challenge to prove she's a threat?
Did watch Seasons? If you don't comprehend why anyone that is unbiased believes Jonna would put up a good fight in a final then I hope you didn't watch that season.
Honestly, I like a good debating and conflicting opinions but this is just laughable from you and Bischoff
[QUOTE=hannamez8;412956]So if neither has proven themselves (like you said) how would you know they're a threat when they're not even the strongest? That's what I'm trying to figure out. KMV stated that Laurel threw Jonna in because she's a threat in a final.[/QUOTE]
That is my opinion based on who i have seen do well in finals. Things you need in a final, endurance, puzzle ability, and a no quit attitude..I haven't seen either give up, both have good endurance from what i have seen more so Jonna than Nany, nany smokes and drinks a lot so that could hurt her more so everyone jokes how much nany drinks...Laurel doesn't want anyone with better endurance to have to face her in the final...
Id say puzzle skills jonna has advantage as well over nany from what i have seen. You have to be well rounded to win a final, look at johnny. he isn't the biggest, fastest, or smartest, but he is above average at all (except maybe average at puzzles), and look at his record.
You also need the "willing to do anything" mentality liek eating all that **** on rivals 2 becuase you never know what will be in front of you. I'd say nany would be more willing than jonna in that.
[QUOTE=hannamez8;412937]I didn't say KMV did say that? I was mentioning that Cara was in the draw and Laurel voted in someone Cara can obviously beat. When it came down to Emilee vs. Jonna, Laurel said "I don't care who comes back" because Laurel would of just crush Jonna like she did with Jasmine and Emilee was just pathetic. So it was smart for her to throw in Jonna if Cara would of gotten the kill card.[/QUOTE]
Nobody is saying Jonna is a threat for elimination especially on this season that they are so physical....Laurel/Cara would beat her in all elimination this season, she is the tiniest girl left in the game plus J break down under pressure. So it was smart from Laurel.
But I stand by KVM when he say that she have potential to be a descent on a final, her problem is getting there with this kind of eliminations.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;412955]Jealousy exists--that's my point. Some own it--some don't. Just because it isn't mentioned doesn't mean it is irrelevant or doesn't exist. There's many racists and sexists that aren't dumb enough to say there true feelings.
I never said Jordan isn't an athlete--this goes back to your inability to read.
I'm not worried about it. I wish those women wouldn't be so they could discuss things without bias. Sadly, I believe you're unable to do that and your posts here keep proving that.
Laurel sending Jonna in was a safe move while putting up someone that is a threat in the end that will likely go home. Laurel's not dumb. She's given Jonna credit in the past. She sees it--you don't...that's on you and I believe I know why.[/QUOTE]
But jealously has nothing to do with Jonna's performance. I'm not being bias nor do I have any reason to be jealous of this girl. You chose to believe that, then go ahead. Like I said you always use this 'jealously' thing once someone disagrees with Jonna's performances on these challenges. I've given Jonna in the past just because you don't/haven't seen it isn't my problem. Jonna isn't the worst like Casey but compared to the other girls in this house, Jonna isn't the best.
[QUOTE=PinkRose;412960]Nobody is saying Jonna is a threat for elimination especially on this season that they are so physical....Laurel/Cara would beat her in all elimination this season, she is the tiniest girl left in the game plus J break down under pressure. So it was smart from Laurel.
But I stand by KVM when he say that she have potential to be a descent on a final, her problem is getting there with this kind of eliminations.[/QUOTE]
Like Diem, but with way less political pull/power
[QUOTE=jojorules;412963]Like Diem, but with way less political pull/power[/QUOTE]
Jonna is a lot like Diem but Jonna's a better strategist while Diem has a better social game. In the end, the better social game trumps the strategic aspect because you need power to pull off the strategy.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;412964]Jonna is a lot like Diem but Jonna's a better strategist while Diem has a better social game. In the end, the better social game trumps the strategic aspect because you need power to pull off the strategy.[/QUOTE]
Very true....I think that's why Diem has seen a couple and Jonna hasn't. They have a very similar build really, neither one is going to win a physical elimination unless vs a jasmine type..Diem and ct were so on and off that she was able to keep his alliance and his network where as jonna can't keep zach's so that makes a big difference too...Jonna has to form her own where diem always had ct's and her own to align with. Makes it much easier
[QUOTE=jojorules;412948]Id say Nany and Jonna without having either be in a final both could fair well, but i don't see either having a huge advantage over the other yet Nany is considered some tough chick and Jonna basically considered worthless. Makes no sense to me when neither has proven themselves head to head or in a final how perceptions are so different unless biased...So kvm has a point[/QUOTE]
Based on what I have heard, Nany has gotten way more praise than Jonna from cast mates as a great competitor. Marie, Knight, Laurel, Zach, Kenny, Trey, Laura have all said that Nany is a good competitor. Of those 7, only 1(Laurel) has complimented Jonna as well. Trey, Laura, Zach have all stated that Nany was the top girl on BOTseasons, no mention of Jonna whatsoever. Kenny has stated on the bus driver's route that Jonna isn't a contender this season. To him, the contenders are Laurel, Nany, Theresa and Camila if she is mentally there. The only people that have heard call Jonna a great competitor were her friends, which are obviously filled with a lot of bias.
[QUOTE=v123;412966]Based on what I have heard, Nany has gotten way more praise than Jonna from cast mates as a great competitor. Marie, Knight, Laurel, Zach, Kenny, Trey, Laura have all said that Nany is a good competitor. Of those 7, only 1(Laurel) has complimented Jonna as well. Trey, Laura, Zach have all stated that Nany was the top girl on BOTseasons, no mention of Jonna whatsoever. Kenny has stated on the bus driver's route that Jonna isn't a contender this season. To him, the contenders are Laurel, Nany, Theresa and Camila if she is mentally there. The only people that have heard call Jonna a great competitor were her friends, which obviously is filled with a lot of bias.[/QUOTE]
Kenny has never been on a season with Nany, so he's biased as well. Knight is friends with nany have you seen them tweet at each other like bff's? Laurel and Nany are like bff's too now, Zach has said that jonna was awesome and nany was awesome so that's a wash...So their is biased in all of these opinions really. Trey is probably theonly unbiased one, but at the time he was enemies wiht Zach he was with Jonna so odds are he wouldn't be too fond of her..
I wouldn't want to get a lot of praise when i haven't really proven anything either, so if anything they are just hyping her which almost forces her to produce or she is overrated.
[QUOTE=v123;412966]Based on what I have heard, Nany has gotten way more praise than Jonna from cast mates as a great competitor. Marie, Knight, Laurel, Zach, Kenny, Trey, Laura have all said that Nany is a good competitor. Of those 7, only 1(Laurel) has complimented Jonna as well. Trey, Laura, Zach have all stated that Nany was the top girl on BOTseasons, no mention of Jonna whatsoever. Kenny has stated on the bus driver's route that Jonna isn't a contender this season. To him, the contenders are Laurel, Nany, Theresa and Camila if she is mentally there. The only people that have heard call Jonna a great competitor were her friends, which obviously is filled with a lot of bias.[/QUOTE]
Kenny's praised Jonna as well...not sure how you missed that.
Kenny's also very close to Laurel, Theresa and Camila so I would expect him to say their names first.
The opinions of Knight, Marie, Trey & Laura mean nothing.
I find it hard to believe Zach never gave credit to Jonna
[QUOTE=PinkRose;412960]Nobody is saying Jonna is a threat for elimination especially on this season that they are so physical....Laurel/Cara would beat her in all elimination this season, she is the tiniest girl left in the game plus J break down under pressure. So it was smart from Laurel.
But I stand by KVM when he say that she have potential to be a descent on a final, her problem is getting there with this kind of eliminations.[/QUOTE]
I agree she will do decent but she can never be the type to win with top dogs like Laurel. But I don'r know if she'll have the endurance to complete a final on her own. I only see Laurel from all the girls left and possibly Jessica.
I said Jonna was a safe move to be thrown into the elimination. But the main purpose of this all was that Jonna isn't a threat to Laurel in a final what so ever and that she didn't care if Emilee or Jonna came back.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;412968]Kenny's praised Jonna as well...not sure how you missed that.
Kenny's also very close to Laurel, Theresa and Camila so I would expect him to say their names first.
The opinions of Knight, Marie, Trey & Laura mean nothing.
I find it hard to believe Zach never gave credit to Jonna[/QUOTE]
Which is kind of why in my opnion you have the 3-4 elite girls and you have the 2nd tier girls all bunched together until one of them stands out. the theresa/jonna's, nany/diem/aneesa. They have all shown glimpses of being good but can't dominate a weak season liek the elite girls can
[QUOTE=proceed;412862]I think it's because it doesn't fall in line with the "free agents", everyone gets their own vote theme. Apparently they threatened to throw Devyn and Zach in if they didn't vote for the same person. This is why they should never have two winners. They should have made it a true individual challenge wth all of the guys and girls going against each other, with one winner sending a guy and girl in.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to grasp BMP's thought process here.
1) Markets this Challenge as "Free Agents", where everyone is their own agent (lol)
2) Forces both individual winners to come to a unanimous decision on who to vote into the elimination for BOTH genders. I mean it's not like it's mathematically possible to have a 50-50 split in votes between two people, right????
3) Allow their horribly unprofessional inarticulate host to badger a contestant due to their own ****** rules.
That part just bothered me this episode. I get that you have to be able to move the game along with a forceful hand sometimes as the host but TJ's really stepping out of line lately. Stick to your main job, guy. Or go back to sleeping with the contestants. Make up your mind.
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