[QUOTE=kvm1977;322064]Kudos to him winning elimination rounds but that doesn't alter he's the only player to DQ thus far. I'm sorry but if I had to pick guys to be on my team using everyone in this cast Easy would probably be my last pick because I know he couldn't complete a final. Preston & Knight are right there with him.
I don't see how he & Camila beat any Brooklyn people in a mental challenge. Unless it really isn't mental.
They definitely need to get more creative but I just don't see that happening[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know. Big Easy is a burden on team challenges and I think that's ultimately what he shouldn't be casted on. I think BMP casts him for these team challenges just to see the drama unfold lol
[QUOTE=UrbanTactics;322056]You need a reality check. It isn't all about looks you know. Really? Calling Big Easy, who lost ~70 pounds fat? Come on, quit the name calling. You're better than that.[/QUOTE]
He still looks fat to me though. When They showed those then and now pictures on the after show. There wasn't a big diffrence to me. He still looked big.
LOL @ DA. I just can't when you post about the same things all the time.
Jokes aside, is there some kind of backstory to Eric and Devyn? Why so serious if they just met?
[QUOTE=UrbanTactics;322066]Yeah I know. Big Easy is a burden on team challenges [B]and I think that's ultimately what he shouldn't be casted on[/B]. I think BMP casts him for these team challenges just to see the drama unfold lol[/QUOTE]
I can think of another reason why he shouldn't be casted.....
[QUOTE=Debut Album;322067]He still looks fat to me though. When They showed those then and now pictures on the after show. There wasn't a big diffrence to me. He still looked big.[/QUOTE]
He still is big--he's always going to be "big" but there was clearly a big difference. If you can't see a 50+ pound difference....
[QUOTE=tjhallow;322062]No doubt, he doesn't belong on the challenge. And its one thing to say hes unathletic and and another thing to say he's gross, blah blah blah. Honestly, its quite comical that dude sits here and trashes three castmember who shall not be named when he does the same thing behing a keyboard.[/QUOTE]
The thing is, this guy who trashes big Easy probably CANNOT even do any of these challenges anyway!
[QUOTE=kvm1977;322072]He still is big--he's always going to be "big" but there was clearly a big difference. If you can't see a 50+ pound difference....[/QUOTE]
I mean I can see a little diffrence but not that much..Maybe I wasn't looking right.
Oh and one more thing...They need to be more creative with these challenges..They dumped the Vets for the Rookies this challenge. I think they should dump the Heights and water challenges and be more creative..kinda like that Challenge on Rivals where they had to use that big Crane..more stuff like that would be welcome.
Could someone explain why Cancun threw in Fresh Meat instead of St. Thomas? They know that Fresh Meat has no chance of doing anything better than last in the finals, and they would be a fairly easy team to beat in a strategy and probably a mental elimination. They also knew that Brooklyn was gonna send in JD and Devyn, which Fresh Meat should easily beat. St. Thomas has no alliance, so even if whoever goes in for St. Thomas (probably Trey and Laura) wins and they align with Fresh Meat and Brooklyn, 1. None of those teams will probably ever win and 2. even if Fresh Meat and Brooklyn did win a challenge and St. Thomas was still semi-aligned with Cancun and SD, those teams would have never thrown in St. Thomas, they would have both thrown in San Diego. I guess Frank never saw the Gauntlet 3, you have to keep Big Easy as long as possible.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;322083]Could someone explain why Cancun threw in Fresh Meat instead of St. Thomas? They know that Fresh Meat has no chance of doing anything better than last in the finals, and they would be a fairly easy team to beat in a strategy and probably a mental elimination. They also knew that Brooklyn was gonna send in JD and Devyn, which Fresh Meat should easily beat. St. Thomas has no alliance, so even if whoever goes in for St. Thomas (probably Trey and Laura) wins and they align with Fresh Meat and Brooklyn, 1. None of those teams will probably ever win and 2. even if Fresh Meat and Brooklyn did win a challenge and St. Thomas was still semi-aligned with Cancun and SD, those teams would have never thrown in St. Thomas, they would have both thrown in San Diego. I guess Frank never saw the Gauntlet 3, you have to keep Big Easy as long as possible.[/QUOTE]
I feel it really is based on the loyalty and deal they gave to Marie. Marie really put up a case last night that she made her team do what they (Rookies) wanted, and that it was unfair to put her up for nomination. If you read Frank's interview, he mentions that how there alliance worked was that they didn't betray each other. Nothing shady. As long as Marie is there, I think Trey's gonna be there too until they either lose first in a mission or both FM and Brooklyn are gone (and possibly Las Vegas the way things are going) My guess will be that they finish last in a mission.
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Camilla-SHUT THE **** UP! It's really funny that when she was on a challenge with those tired old *** Vets and she was in "The Mob" it was all strategy and Playing the game.[/QUOTE]
Camila has always had a horrible political game and has always had to fight her way to the top. What challenge did she use politics and strategy? She's always had her back against the wall and had to always perform to get out of it.
[QUOTE=v123;322085]Camila has always had a horrible political game and has always had to fight her way to the top. What challenge did she use politics and strategy? She's always had her back against the wall and had to always perform to get out of it.[/QUOTE]
I feel she sat a little prettier last season with Johnny as her partner. It was probably still a fight, but when you're teamed with Johnny these days, you're part of the mob. I'm sure she wasn't making the decisions though. And yes, very bad social game. Logic only works for her when it's in her favor.
I understand her frustration with this challenge because all the Rookies are being exactly what she called them, p*****s. I really want to see Brooklyn here because Chet is the man, but I also don't want Easy to go home :(
[QUOTE=SkylarGuy23;322086]I feel she sat a little prettier last season with Johnny as her partner. It was probably still a fight, but when you're teamed with Johnny these days, you're part of the mob. I'm sure she wasn't making the decisions though. And yes, very bad social game. Logic only works for her when it's in her favor.[/QUOTE]
She sat prettier because she and Johnny kicked absolute *** as a team. If they didn't win a challenge they were getting in second place. It's not like they skated to the the end by riding coattails. They outperformed every team practically every time so they deserved their position of power in the game.
[QUOTE=v123;322088]She sat prettier because she and Johnny kicked absolute *** as a team. If they didn't win a challenge they were getting in second place. It's not like they skated to the the end by riding coattails. They outperformed every team practically every time so they deserved their position of power in the game.[/QUOTE]
And no one could argue that she did't perform well but even if she hadn't she was safe. Look at who else won competitions....
I think Camila's comments are justified--these "rookies" haven't proved anything yet which is why I think this being called the "Rookie Takeover" is the dumbest thing ever
[QUOTE=kvm1977;322089]And no one could argue that she did't perform well but even if she hadn't she was safe. Look at who else won competitions....
I think Camila's comments are justified--these "rookies" haven't proved anything yet which is why I think this being called the "Rookie Takeover" is the dumbest thing ever[/QUOTE]
If she didn't do well in the challenges and still ended up being safe with strategy then criticism could be made about with her comments being hypocritical but as it stands, her comments do have validity because she has had to compete on every single challenge she's been on and when she didn't she suffered the consequences.
Cancun had the least amount of rocks in their basket so why would Jonna say that they're the team to watch out for? Vegas looked like they had an extra layer of rocks compared to Cancun right when they dropped.
[QUOTE=v123;322098]If she didn't do well in the challenges and still ended up being safe with strategy then criticism could be made about with her comments being hypocritical but as it stands, her comments do have validity because she has had to compete on every single challenge she's been on and when she didn't she suffered the consequences.[/QUOTE]
But didn't Camilla and Johnny lose at least 3 of the challenge missions? I know they only won 3 as well (well... "only" as compared to possibly winning 6 or 7) But they only went in that final round. People that aren't safe from alliances go into elimination rounds, this duo had to have a social game. Even if they kept CT and Diem safe because they knew they'd win the elimination anyway and comeback with vengeance, that's still an understanding between two teams which says alliance to me. I understand she was on the outs in Cutthroat, and Rivals but Exes she was part of the elite. Yes, she did very well in challenges, but Johnny being Johnny definitley helped her too.
[QUOTE=SkylarGuy23;322102]But didn't Camilla and Johnny lose at least 3 of the challenge missions? I know they only won 3 as well (well... "only" as compared to possibly winning 6 or 7) But they only went in that final round. People that aren't safe from alliances go into elimination rounds, this duo had to have a social game. Even if they kept CT and Diem safe because they knew they'd win the elimination anyway and comeback with vengeance, that's still an understanding between two teams which says alliance to me. I understand she was on the outs in Cutthroat, and Rivals but Exes she was part of the elite. Yes, she did very well in challenges, but Johnny being Johnny definitley helped her too.[/QUOTE]
I think it's unreasonable to expect Johnny/Camilla to have won every single challenge on Rivals in order to have stayed safe. Obviously there was going to be some strategy involved in keeping themselves safe when they didn't win but by performance alone they deserved to stay since their mission performing statistics were way beyond any other team there. They won 4 including the final and came in second twice, one of which looked like they threw to Sarah/Vinny. Nobody else's numbers even came close to that. I think the case of people that were not performing yet were safe due to alliances and a heavy reliance on strategy and politics would've been applied to Diem/CT, Cara/Abe, Paula/Dunbar all before Johnny/Camilla. Even Emily/Ty underperformed comparatively to Johnny/Camila so I think they were justifiably sent into elimination before Camila/Johnny.
I think Camila's issues with the Rookies has to do with their over-reliance on politics. There has been little to no competitive effort exerted by the power teams to show that they are deserving of their spots. Even on Rivals she was "punished" by being sent into the jungle against arguably the strongest girl team for being in second place and missing out on first by a few seconds in the challenge before that. She has had very little leeway in these games comparatively so it must suck seeing some people advance by politics alone so she's probably just really mad that she's never had the luxury that the people in power are having right now.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;322089]And no one could argue that she did't perform well but even if she hadn't she was safe. Look at who else won competitions....
[B]I think Camila's comments are justified--these "rookies" haven't proved anything yet which is why I think this being called the "Rookie Takeover" is the dumbest thing ever[/B][/QUOTE]
What exactly do they need to prove though?
Her comments are not justified because if she was in the same position some of the other teams are. She would NOT be complaining. I think she's just mad that her *** is on the outs and nobody has any reason to keep her there and now she's about to get sent home(hopefully).
I'm surprised there aren't more people coming out hard against Knight on here. Forget about what he did being dumb...what he did (I'm talking about his verbal abuse of Nany and Camila) was disgusting. I don't care how drunk you are or what game you're trying to play, it's NOT okay to talk to ANYONE like that. As a female myself, I've never had anyone speak to me like that in my life and I don't blame Nany for flipping out. Knight is a pathetic, verbally abusive slob. If I was Jemmye I'd be embarrassed to be associated with him.
[ETA: The fact that everyone there wasn't totally disgusted with Knight's behavior and shunning him because of it kinda shows the kind of environment that exists on these Challenges that everyone was debating when the whole Tonya thing happened. I realize we only saw what the producers let us see, but it seemed like pretty much everyone in the cast didn't have much of a problem with Knight's verbal abuse. He should've had a massive target on him in the eyes of EVERYONE after that.]
Totally agree with everyone who's saying it was dumb to throw Fresh Meat into the Arena again. It makes no sense whatsoever to try to eliminate a weak team. ANY other team would've been a better choice. I get the alliances and everything, but at the end you have to give your team the best chance to win the money in the finals and getting rid of FM isn't doing that.
Props to Marie for her reaction to CJ and company about the Arena. I hate seeing people grovel to not get thrown in. Bout time for someone to be like "Ya know what, throw me in! I dare you. Because I will win, and I will come back for your ***! **** you!".
I don't mind seeing Easy and Devyn's romance. I find it interesting and unexpected...and weirdly genuine. Usually you see hot people hooking up with each other simply because both parties are good-looking. No offense to Easy and Devyn, but that's not what's going down between them (I never saw them hooking up coming)...they obviously see something deeper in one another, and I think it's sweet.
Also, Dustin might be dumb, but he and Nany's friendship is pretty cute. Him trying to talk her down was sweet...talking sooo calm and sooo slow like you do to a confused elderly person or scared puppy or something, ha!
Like everyone else, I'm sad there was no elimination this week. I hope there are two next week now!
Final thought: Jonny Moseley's hair...no. Just...no.
[QUOTE=Sloan;322110]I'm surprised there aren't more people coming out hard against Knight on here. Forget about what he did being dumb...what he did (I'm talking about his verbal abuse of Nany and Camila) was disgusting. I don't care how drunk you are or what game you're trying to play, it's NOT okay to talk to ANYONE like that. As a female myself, I've never had anyone speak to me like that in my life and I don't blame Nany for flipping out. Knight is a pathetic, verbally abusive slob. If I was Jemmye I'd be embarrassed to be associated with him.
[ETA: The fact that everyone there wasn't totally disgusted with Knight's behavior and shunning him because of it kinda shows the kind of environment that exists on these Challenges that everyone was debating when the whole Tonya thing happened. I realize we only saw what the producers let us see, but it seemed like pretty much everyone in the cast didn't have much of a problem with Knight's verbal abuse. He should've had a massive target on him in the eyes of EVERYONE after that.][/QUOTE]
It all comes down to personal experience but from mine, I can say that what he said wasn't unusual in a party environment where alcohol is in the mix. He even stated later in the episode that he was acting out and shouldn't have said some of the stuff he did.
I'm on the side that this episode sucked, big time.
First: there was no elimination round.
Second: This was another stupid challenge. Two of the four challenges have been so stupidly thought out that the teams outside the alliance have less than 0.001% chance of winning, and that's not an exaggeration. I'm not sure I've ever seen such unfair challenges and I've been watching since Inferno 2.
Third: Devyn and Eric is gross showmance and a dumb storyline. Also they are showing way too much Devyn with the interviews. Focus on Zach/Jonna or the St. Thomas couples.
Fourth: While the Knight storyline was good, they still spent too much time on it.
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Third: Devyn and Eric is gross showmance and a dumb storyline. Also they are showing way too much Devyn with the interviews. Focus on Zach/Jonna or the St. Thomas couples.
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I do not agree with this. Devyn's relationship, if you will, with Easy is awesome and not just there for show. And not just there either to give the audience a show
Zach and Jonna, I don't really care for because that's all the **** she does. And then if was like the first 3 days, really?
And Laura is cool in my book but when she's together with Trey, it makes me want to vomit.
[QUOTE=gbp02;322123]Third: Devyn and Eric is gross showmance and a dumb storyline. Also they are showing way too much Devyn with the interviews. Focus on [B]Zach[/B]/Jonna or the [B]St. Thomas couples[/B].[/QUOTE]
Yes, focus on the couples that garnered some of the worst ratings in RW history. That's a great idea to get the show back to glory!
[QUOTE=Lionsfan780;322121]Chet calling CJ, or anyone for that matter, a phony or poser is FUNNY. He is by far the biggest phony and poser on the entire challenge[/QUOTE]
I think that regardless of how Chet behaves his point was a good one...it's a similar situation to Brandon on Cutthroat...don't **** on my back and tell me it's raining. CJ is coming up to him and telling him "Oh you know how I feel about you, you're such a good competitor..." but then throwing him in all the time. Brooklyn's performed well in every single challenge. If I'm Chet I'd rather CJ just say "you didn't throw in with me in the beginning and now it's too late, you're going in until you go home or you win challenges" not the list of reasons why he loves Chet.
And I like CJ...I just think Chet's point is a valid.
[QUOTE=JL81790;322131]I think that regardless of how Chet behaves his point was a good one...it's a similar situation to Brandon on Cutthroat...don't **** on my back and tell me it's raining. CJ is coming up to him and telling him "Oh you know how I feel about you, you're such a good competitor..." but then throwing him in all the time. Brooklyn's performed well in every single challenge. If I'm Chet I'd rather CJ just say "you didn't throw in with me in the beginning and now it's too late, you're going in until you go home or you win challenges" not the list of reasons why he loves Chet.
And I like CJ...I just think Chet's point is a valid.[/QUOTE]
You can like someone and think someone is a good competitor and yet still see them as a threat. And I think that's why almost the entire house is agaisnt them...because they're a threat.
[QUOTE=Aereas;322114]It all comes down to personal experience but from mine, I can say that what he said wasn't unusual in a party environment where alcohol is in the mix. He even stated later in the episode that he was acting out and shouldn't have said some of the stuff he did.[/QUOTE]
Meh. I've been in plenty of party environments with lots of alcohol in the mix and have never had a guy call me a stupid ***** or a ****. It is unusual, and shouldn't be just accepted by everyone. And it's not like Knight is usually such a gentlemanly fellow and had one out-of-character blackout moment. Like I said, he's a verbally abusive slob. And it's pretty gross that almost everyone in the house seems to embrace him anyway.
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Second: This was another stupid challenge. Two of the four challenges have been so stupidly thought out that the teams outside the alliance have less than 0.001% chance of winning, and that's not an exaggeration. I'm not sure I've ever seen such unfair challenges and I've been watching since Inferno 2.
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I do agree that these challenges have left a lot to be desired; it's been sooo easy for the big alliance to run things. It would be more interesting if there were two smaller alliances at least, but with only like 2 teams outside the alliance it makes the challenges boring. They need to get more creative to make the actual challenges a little more competitive.
It's annoying that these alliances seem to be based on a popularity contest ("I'll just align with my friends so we can all save each other and continue to hang out in Turkey till the end!") instead of actual strategy ("We need to align ourselves in such a way to keep weak teams around and eliminate the strong ones so we can win in the finals"). It's more fun to see strong teams go head to head with each other, with everyone focused on having the best shot at winning the money, not on keeping their buddies around.
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