Do we really care about Aneesa's sexuality? She debuted like fifteen years ago. Back then if you ****** someone of the same gender, you were fully gay to the world regardless of what you said. Now it's different. People are more accepting and the idea of someone being "********" isn't nearly as difficult for the world to process as it used to be. She's attracred to both girls and guys. That's all there is to it.
kvm1977 wrote:Old Schoolers shouldn't be taking focus away from the New kids if they really can carry this show. Everyone that has ever been on The Real World and Road Rules should be CONSIDERED and those that can add to show, new or old, should be cast. I hate AYTO but Tori adds to the show so I'll enjoy finally watching a new girl perform well against the likes of Cara & Camila. Hell, Hunter's fine with me because he's at least there to compete and competes well. I have no idea why anyone would be invested in Cory's elimination against Derrick H....does anyone believe either can do well this season? If so, kudos to you. Keep hope alive. Cory, even if he makes a final, isn't capable of winning.
With you 100% But my main qualm isn't competiton, its personality. I honestly couldn't tell you one thing that distinguishes people like Bri and Britni from each-other other than their hair and where they come from. The new kids are all cut from the same cloth. The ogs were not "only" cast because they could be reactionary, they all had a unique flavor and a interesting ******* life story or world view. Derrick, Darrell, Veronica & Aneesa are among the most mult-dimnesional people on this cast, the rest for the most part only have just one gear.
You gotta take those rose-colored glasses off. All of them were cast the same reason the new kids are cast now: Because they can be useful to the show in some way wether that be drama or just appealing to a certain group of people. This isn't The Real World.And in what world is Darrell Multi-Dimensional? He's the same person he's always been: Low-Key, drama free, will strike back if he's tested.
Aneesa & Veronica were definitely multi-dimensional. Darrell was a good/great/elite competitor that had amazing one liners. Derrick was, at one point, the underdog that people could root for and then he became the champion everyone else on the cast liked and respected. Casting for The Real World & Road Rules was simply better back then. It wasn't about trying to find wannabe models that wanted to do reality TV
That's not multi-Dimensional though. In Derrick's case that's called just changing. Veronica changed too at some point. To me. Multi Dimensional is someone like Abram: He seemed to have two sides to him. The Soft introspetive kind side and the side where he's just crazy, wild, roudy and just ready to kill.
That's called bipolar disorder.
Still multi-dimensional though.
No.Cast members like Wes, Sarah and (even though I hate him) John are multi-dimensional. They add to the politics, the competition and the storyline of the show. Abram is just manic. Calling him "mutli-dimensional" is like calling Duel 2 era CT "a little bit hotheaded". And to your original point, I love Derrick and Darrell but they're definitely NOT multi-dimensional in any sense of the word. They're good competitors, but they don't make game moves and they keep it too lowkey to be involved in any storylines (which is what I love about them).
Well then if that's the case then then Abram is still multi dimensional as he's added to all of that at various points so that still stands. And then you can't sit here and say that all the new kids are all "cut from the same cloth" or one dimensional because SOME of them have added to all of that as well(I know you didn't specifically say that but referencing the person I quoted).
What were Abram's game moves? I'm talking strategy and politics. And what storylines did he add to that weren't forced on him? I used to really like the guy, but he has only ever proven himself to be manic and unreliable. I doubt anyone in the cast even likes him that much. They all say he's an animal and that they wouldn't want to go into an elimination against him, but that doesn't mean anything other than they're probably scared of him on a human level.
kvm1977 wrote:Old Schoolers shouldn't be taking focus away from the New kids if they really can carry this show. Everyone that has ever been on The Real World and Road Rules should be CONSIDERED and those that can add to show, new or old, should be cast. I hate AYTO but Tori adds to the show so I'll enjoy finally watching a new girl perform well against the likes of Cara & Camila. Hell, Hunter's fine with me because he's at least there to compete and competes well. I have no idea why anyone would be invested in Cory's elimination against Derrick H....does anyone believe either can do well this season? If so, kudos to you. Keep hope alive. Cory, even if he makes a final, isn't capable of winning.
With you 100% But my main qualm isn't competiton, its personality. I honestly couldn't tell you one thing that distinguishes people like Bri and Britni from each-other other than their hair and where they come from. The new kids are all cut from the same cloth. The ogs were not "only" cast because they could be reactionary, they all had a unique flavor and a interesting ******* life story or world view. Derrick, Darrell, Veronica & Aneesa are among the most mult-dimnesional people on this cast, the rest for the most part only have just one gear.
You gotta take those rose-colored glasses off. All of them were cast the same reason the new kids are cast now: Because they can be useful to the show in some way wether that be drama or just appealing to a certain group of people. This isn't The Real World.And in what world is Darrell Multi-Dimensional? He's the same person he's always been: Low-Key, drama free, will strike back if he's tested.
Aneesa & Veronica were definitely multi-dimensional. Darrell was a good/great/elite competitor that had amazing one liners. Derrick was, at one point, the underdog that people could root for and then he became the champion everyone else on the cast liked and respected. Casting for The Real World & Road Rules was simply better back then. It wasn't about trying to find wannabe models that wanted to do reality TV
That's not multi-Dimensional though. In Derrick's case that's called just changing. Veronica changed too at some point. To me. Multi Dimensional is someone like Abram: He seemed to have two sides to him. The Soft introspetive kind side and the side where he's just crazy, wild, roudy and just ready to kill.
That's called bipolar disorder.
Still multi-dimensional though.
No.Cast members like Wes, Sarah and (even though I hate him) John are multi-dimensional. They add to the politics, the competition and the storyline of the show. Abram is just manic. Calling him "mutli-dimensional" is like calling Duel 2 era CT "a little bit hotheaded". And to your original point, I love Derrick and Darrell but they're definitely NOT multi-dimensional in any sense of the word. They're good competitors, but they don't make game moves and they keep it too lowkey to be involved in any storylines (which is what I love about them).
Well then if that's the case then then Abram is still multi dimensional as he's added to all of that at various points so that still stands. And then you can't sit here and say that all the new kids are all "cut from the same cloth" or one dimensional because SOME of them have added to all of that as well(I know you didn't specifically say that but referencing the person I quoted).
What were Abram's game moves? I'm talking strategy and politics. And what storylines did he add to that weren't forced on him? I used to really like the guy, but he has only ever proven himself to be manic and unreliable. I doubt anyone in the cast even likes him that much. They all say he's an animal and that they wouldn't want to go into an elimination against him, but that doesn't mean anything other than they're probably scared of him on a human level.
His romance with Coral on Sexes 2? Or his entire relationship with CM? Those are storylines forced or not. Hell keeping CM on his team on Cutthorat you could consider a game move(Wether it was good or bad is irrelevant). I may be reaching with those but if I am then he's always been a good competitor. Not a beast but in no way a slouch. And he's been entertaining as hell too IMO so still...He's two dimensional.
And what does people not liking him have to do with anything? That doesn't mean he isn't two dimensional.
kvm1977 wrote:Old Schoolers shouldn't be taking focus away from the New kids if they really can carry this show. Everyone that has ever been on The Real World and Road Rules should be CONSIDERED and those that can add to show, new or old, should be cast. I hate AYTO but Tori adds to the show so I'll enjoy finally watching a new girl perform well against the likes of Cara & Camila. Hell, Hunter's fine with me because he's at least there to compete and competes well. I have no idea why anyone would be invested in Cory's elimination against Derrick H....does anyone believe either can do well this season? If so, kudos to you. Keep hope alive. Cory, even if he makes a final, isn't capable of winning.
With you 100% But my main qualm isn't competiton, its personality. I honestly couldn't tell you one thing that distinguishes people like Bri and Britni from each-other other than their hair and where they come from. The new kids are all cut from the same cloth. The ogs were not "only" cast because they could be reactionary, they all had a unique flavor and a interesting ******* life story or world view. Derrick, Darrell, Veronica & Aneesa are among the most mult-dimnesional people on this cast, the rest for the most part only have just one gear.
You gotta take those rose-colored glasses off. All of them were cast the same reason the new kids are cast now: Because they can be useful to the show in some way wether that be drama or just appealing to a certain group of people. This isn't The Real World.And in what world is Darrell Multi-Dimensional? He's the same person he's always been: Low-Key, drama free, will strike back if he's tested.
Aneesa & Veronica were definitely multi-dimensional. Darrell was a good/great/elite competitor that had amazing one liners. Derrick was, at one point, the underdog that people could root for and then he became the champion everyone else on the cast liked and respected. Casting for The Real World & Road Rules was simply better back then. It wasn't about trying to find wannabe models that wanted to do reality TV
That's not multi-Dimensional though. In Derrick's case that's called just changing. Veronica changed too at some point. To me. Multi Dimensional is someone like Abram: He seemed to have two sides to him. The Soft introspetive kind side and the side where he's just crazy, wild, roudy and just ready to kill.
That's called bipolar disorder.
Still multi-dimensional though.
No.Cast members like Wes, Sarah and (even though I hate him) John are multi-dimensional. They add to the politics, the competition and the storyline of the show. Abram is just manic. Calling him "mutli-dimensional" is like calling Duel 2 era CT "a little bit hotheaded". And to your original point, I love Derrick and Darrell but they're definitely NOT multi-dimensional in any sense of the word. They're good competitors, but they don't make game moves and they keep it too lowkey to be involved in any storylines (which is what I love about them).
Well then if that's the case then then Abram is still multi dimensional as he's added to all of that at various points so that still stands. And then you can't sit here and say that all the new kids are all "cut from the same cloth" or one dimensional because SOME of them have added to all of that as well(I know you didn't specifically say that but referencing the person I quoted).
What were Abram's game moves? I'm talking strategy and politics. And what storylines did he add to that weren't forced on him? I used to really like the guy, but he has only ever proven himself to be manic and unreliable. I doubt anyone in the cast even likes him that much. They all say he's an animal and that they wouldn't want to go into an elimination against him, but that doesn't mean anything other than they're probably scared of him on a human level.
His romance with Coral on Sexes 2? Or his entire relationship with CM? Those are storylines forced or not. Hell keeping CM on his team on Cutthorat you could consider a game move(Wether it was good or bad is irrelevant).And what does people not liking him have to do with anything? That doesn't mean he isn't two dimensional.
It does, because it shows they seem him (in all his manic glory) as a character rather than an actual, multi-dimensional person. If sticking your **** in someone makes you multi-dimensional, then Dunbar, Danny Jamieson and Tony are also multi-dimensional. Abram is an entertaining cast member, but let's not pretend he does anything on the show besides growl in his interviews and let the other people do the talking.
kvm1977 wrote:Old Schoolers shouldn't be taking focus away from the New kids if they really can carry this show. Everyone that has ever been on The Real World and Road Rules should be CONSIDERED and those that can add to show, new or old, should be cast. I hate AYTO but Tori adds to the show so I'll enjoy finally watching a new girl perform well against the likes of Cara & Camila. Hell, Hunter's fine with me because he's at least there to compete and competes well. I have no idea why anyone would be invested in Cory's elimination against Derrick H....does anyone believe either can do well this season? If so, kudos to you. Keep hope alive. Cory, even if he makes a final, isn't capable of winning.
With you 100% But my main qualm isn't competiton, its personality. I honestly couldn't tell you one thing that distinguishes people like Bri and Britni from each-other other than their hair and where they come from. The new kids are all cut from the same cloth. The ogs were not "only" cast because they could be reactionary, they all had a unique flavor and a interesting ******* life story or world view. Derrick, Darrell, Veronica & Aneesa are among the most mult-dimnesional people on this cast, the rest for the most part only have just one gear.
You gotta take those rose-colored glasses off. All of them were cast the same reason the new kids are cast now: Because they can be useful to the show in some way wether that be drama or just appealing to a certain group of people. This isn't The Real World.And in what world is Darrell Multi-Dimensional? He's the same person he's always been: Low-Key, drama free, will strike back if he's tested.
Aneesa & Veronica were definitely multi-dimensional. Darrell was a good/great/elite competitor that had amazing one liners. Derrick was, at one point, the underdog that people could root for and then he became the champion everyone else on the cast liked and respected. Casting for The Real World & Road Rules was simply better back then. It wasn't about trying to find wannabe models that wanted to do reality TV
That's not multi-Dimensional though. In Derrick's case that's called just changing. Veronica changed too at some point. To me. Multi Dimensional is someone like Abram: He seemed to have two sides to him. The Soft introspetive kind side and the side where he's just crazy, wild, roudy and just ready to kill.
That's called bipolar disorder.
Still multi-dimensional though.
No.Cast members like Wes, Sarah and (even though I hate him) John are multi-dimensional. They add to the politics, the competition and the storyline of the show. Abram is just manic. Calling him "mutli-dimensional" is like calling Duel 2 era CT "a little bit hotheaded". And to your original point, I love Derrick and Darrell but they're definitely NOT multi-dimensional in any sense of the word. They're good competitors, but they don't make game moves and they keep it too lowkey to be involved in any storylines (which is what I love about them).
Well then if that's the case then then Abram is still multi dimensional as he's added to all of that at various points so that still stands. And then you can't sit here and say that all the new kids are all "cut from the same cloth" or one dimensional because SOME of them have added to all of that as well(I know you didn't specifically say that but referencing the person I quoted).
What were Abram's game moves? I'm talking strategy and politics. And what storylines did he add to that weren't forced on him? I used to really like the guy, but he has only ever proven himself to be manic and unreliable. I doubt anyone in the cast even likes him that much. They all say he's an animal and that they wouldn't want to go into an elimination against him, but that doesn't mean anything other than they're probably scared of him on a human level.
His romance with Coral on Sexes 2? Or his entire relationship with CM? Those are storylines forced or not. Hell keeping CM on his team on Cutthorat you could consider a game move(Wether it was good or bad is irrelevant).And what does people not liking him have to do with anything? That doesn't mean he isn't two dimensional.
It does, because it shows they seem him (in all his manic glory) as a character rather than an actual, multi-dimensional person. If sticking your **** in someone makes you multi-dimensional, then Dunbar, Danny Jamieson and Tony are also multi-dimensional. Abram is an entertaining cast member, but let's not pretend he does anything on the show besides growl in his interviews and let the other people do the talking.
I honestly think you're discrediting him now. Because he's done alot more than just hook-up and you know that. How you're looked at by the cast member doesn't mean anything when it comes to what he brings to the show and whether he's a chracter or not. Because then Backpack/Wes/Camilla aren't multi-Dimensional either because people don't like them and you stated those people are. So what really determines who's multi-dimensional and what doesn't?
kvm1977 wrote:Old Schoolers shouldn't be taking focus away from the New kids if they really can carry this show. Everyone that has ever been on The Real World and Road Rules should be CONSIDERED and those that can add to show, new or old, should be cast. I hate AYTO but Tori adds to the show so I'll enjoy finally watching a new girl perform well against the likes of Cara & Camila. Hell, Hunter's fine with me because he's at least there to compete and competes well. I have no idea why anyone would be invested in Cory's elimination against Derrick H....does anyone believe either can do well this season? If so, kudos to you. Keep hope alive. Cory, even if he makes a final, isn't capable of winning.
With you 100% But my main qualm isn't competiton, its personality. I honestly couldn't tell you one thing that distinguishes people like Bri and Britni from each-other other than their hair and where they come from. The new kids are all cut from the same cloth. The ogs were not "only" cast because they could be reactionary, they all had a unique flavor and a interesting ******* life story or world view. Derrick, Darrell, Veronica & Aneesa are among the most mult-dimnesional people on this cast, the rest for the most part only have just one gear.
You gotta take those rose-colored glasses off. All of them were cast the same reason the new kids are cast now: Because they can be useful to the show in some way wether that be drama or just appealing to a certain group of people. This isn't The Real World.And in what world is Darrell Multi-Dimensional? He's the same person he's always been: Low-Key, drama free, will strike back if he's tested.
Aneesa & Veronica were definitely multi-dimensional. Darrell was a good/great/elite competitor that had amazing one liners. Derrick was, at one point, the underdog that people could root for and then he became the champion everyone else on the cast liked and respected. Casting for The Real World & Road Rules was simply better back then. It wasn't about trying to find wannabe models that wanted to do reality TV
That's not multi-Dimensional though. In Derrick's case that's called just changing. Veronica changed too at some point. To me. Multi Dimensional is someone like Abram: He seemed to have two sides to him. The Soft introspetive kind side and the side where he's just crazy, wild, roudy and just ready to kill.
That's called bipolar disorder.
Still multi-dimensional though.
No.Cast members like Wes, Sarah and (even though I hate him) John are multi-dimensional. They add to the politics, the competition and the storyline of the show. Abram is just manic. Calling him "mutli-dimensional" is like calling Duel 2 era CT "a little bit hotheaded". And to your original point, I love Derrick and Darrell but they're definitely NOT multi-dimensional in any sense of the word. They're good competitors, but they don't make game moves and they keep it too lowkey to be involved in any storylines (which is what I love about them).
Well then if that's the case then then Abram is still multi dimensional as he's added to all of that at various points so that still stands. And then you can't sit here and say that all the new kids are all "cut from the same cloth" or one dimensional because SOME of them have added to all of that as well(I know you didn't specifically say that but referencing the person I quoted).
What were Abram's game moves? I'm talking strategy and politics. And what storylines did he add to that weren't forced on him? I used to really like the guy, but he has only ever proven himself to be manic and unreliable. I doubt anyone in the cast even likes him that much. They all say he's an animal and that they wouldn't want to go into an elimination against him, but that doesn't mean anything other than they're probably scared of him on a human level.
His romance with Coral on Sexes 2? Or his entire relationship with CM? Those are storylines forced or not. Hell keeping CM on his team on Cutthorat you could consider a game move(Wether it was good or bad is irrelevant).And what does people not liking him have to do with anything? That doesn't mean he isn't two dimensional.
It does, because it shows they seem him (in all his manic glory) as a character rather than an actual, multi-dimensional person. If sticking your **** in someone makes you multi-dimensional, then Dunbar, Danny Jamieson and Tony are also multi-dimensional. Abram is an entertaining cast member, but let's not pretend he does anything on the show besides growl in his interviews and let the other people do the talking.
I honestly think you're discrediting him now. Because he's done alot more than just hook-up and you know that. How you're looked at by the cast member doesn't mean anything when it comes to what he brings to the show and whether he's a chracter or not. Because then Backpack/Wes/Camilla aren't multi-Dimensional either because people don't like them and you stated those people are. So what really determines who's multi-dimensional and what doesn't?
One, I mentioned bipolar disorder because you argued that Abram's various mood swings make him multi-dimensional (i.e. fun loving one second and the complete opposite the next). That's not what makes you multi-dimensional. I was not trying to discredit his character. I was trying to refute the points you were making, using the observations I've made as a challenge viewer (i.e. minimal friendships formed, coming across as animalistic rather than human by other cast members including one of his ex-girlfriends.)
Two, I've never he said he brings nothing to the show. In fact I called him entertaining at one point, did I not? In any case, being entertaining doesn't mean you're multi-dimensional. Without the other components, it just means you're entertaining.
Three, I've clearly stated my standards for what makes a multi-dimensional cast member. People who make a point of adding to the politics, the storyline and the competition of the show, which, in my opinion, Abram does not (whereas players like Wes and John, do).
Abram is the type who either checks out immediately or tries to beast his way to the end. Is he a good competitor? Sure. But again, that doesn't make him multi-dimensional.
kvm1977 wrote:Old Schoolers shouldn't be taking focus away from the New kids if they really can carry this show. Everyone that has ever been on The Real World and Road Rules should be CONSIDERED and those that can add to show, new or old, should be cast. I hate AYTO but Tori adds to the show so I'll enjoy finally watching a new girl perform well against the likes of Cara & Camila. Hell, Hunter's fine with me because he's at least there to compete and competes well. I have no idea why anyone would be invested in Cory's elimination against Derrick H....does anyone believe either can do well this season? If so, kudos to you. Keep hope alive. Cory, even if he makes a final, isn't capable of winning.
With you 100% But my main qualm isn't competiton, its personality. I honestly couldn't tell you one thing that distinguishes people like Bri and Britni from each-other other than their hair and where they come from. The new kids are all cut from the same cloth. The ogs were not "only" cast because they could be reactionary, they all had a unique flavor and a interesting ******* life story or world view. Derrick, Darrell, Veronica & Aneesa are among the most mult-dimnesional people on this cast, the rest for the most part only have just one gear.
You gotta take those rose-colored glasses off. All of them were cast the same reason the new kids are cast now: Because they can be useful to the show in some way wether that be drama or just appealing to a certain group of people. This isn't The Real World.And in what world is Darrell Multi-Dimensional? He's the same person he's always been: Low-Key, drama free, will strike back if he's tested.
Aneesa & Veronica were definitely multi-dimensional. Darrell was a good/great/elite competitor that had amazing one liners. Derrick was, at one point, the underdog that people could root for and then he became the champion everyone else on the cast liked and respected. Casting for The Real World & Road Rules was simply better back then. It wasn't about trying to find wannabe models that wanted to do reality TV
That's not multi-Dimensional though. In Derrick's case that's called just changing. Veronica changed too at some point. To me. Multi Dimensional is someone like Abram: He seemed to have two sides to him. The Soft introspetive kind side and the side where he's just crazy, wild, roudy and just ready to kill.
That's called bipolar disorder.
Still multi-dimensional though.
No.Cast members like Wes, Sarah and (even though I hate him) John are multi-dimensional. They add to the politics, the competition and the storyline of the show. Abram is just manic. Calling him "mutli-dimensional" is like calling Duel 2 era CT "a little bit hotheaded". And to your original point, I love Derrick and Darrell but they're definitely NOT multi-dimensional in any sense of the word. They're good competitors, but they don't make game moves and they keep it too lowkey to be involved in any storylines (which is what I love about them).
Well then if that's the case then then Abram is still multi dimensional as he's added to all of that at various points so that still stands. And then you can't sit here and say that all the new kids are all "cut from the same cloth" or one dimensional because SOME of them have added to all of that as well(I know you didn't specifically say that but referencing the person I quoted).
What were Abram's game moves? I'm talking strategy and politics. And what storylines did he add to that weren't forced on him? I used to really like the guy, but he has only ever proven himself to be manic and unreliable. I doubt anyone in the cast even likes him that much. They all say he's an animal and that they wouldn't want to go into an elimination against him, but that doesn't mean anything other than they're probably scared of him on a human level.
His romance with Coral on Sexes 2? Or his entire relationship with CM? Those are storylines forced or not. Hell keeping CM on his team on Cutthorat you could consider a game move(Wether it was good or bad is irrelevant).And what does people not liking him have to do with anything? That doesn't mean he isn't two dimensional.
It does, because it shows they seem him (in all his manic glory) as a character rather than an actual, multi-dimensional person. If sticking your **** in someone makes you multi-dimensional, then Dunbar, Danny Jamieson and Tony are also multi-dimensional. Abram is an entertaining cast member, but let's not pretend he does anything on the show besides growl in his interviews and let the other people do the talking.
I honestly think you're discrediting him now. Because he's done alot more than just hook-up and you know that. How you're looked at by the cast member doesn't mean anything when it comes to what he brings to the show and whether he's a chracter or not. Because then Backpack/Wes/Camilla aren't multi-Dimensional either because people don't like them and you stated those people are. So what really determines who's multi-dimensional and what doesn't?
One, I mentioned bipolar disorder because you argued that Abram's various mood swings make him multi-dimensional (i.e. fun loving one second and the complete opposite the next). That's not what makes you multi-dimensional. I was not trying to discredit his character. I was trying to refute the points you were making, using the observations I've made as a challenge viewer (i.e. minimal friendships formed, coming across as animalistic rather than human by other cast members including one of his ex-girlfriends.) Two, I've never he said he brings nothing to the show. In fact I called him entertaining at one point, did I not? In any case, being entertaining doesn't mean you're multi-dimensional. Without the other components, it just means you're entertaining. Three, I've clearly stated my standards for what makes a multi-dimensional cast member. People who make a point of adding to the politics, the storyline and the competition of the show, which, in my opinion, Abram does not (whereas players like Wes and John, do).Abram is the type who either checks out immediately or tries to beast his way to the end. Is he a good competitor? Sure. But again, that doesn't make him multi-dimensional.
And by your standards I disagree with you because throught his tenure on the show I feel like he's added in all of those categories. Maybe not consistently but he has. Which is the point I'm making.
kvm1977 wrote:Old Schoolers shouldn't be taking focus away from the New kids if they really can carry this show. Everyone that has ever been on The Real World and Road Rules should be CONSIDERED and those that can add to show, new or old, should be cast. I hate AYTO but Tori adds to the show so I'll enjoy finally watching a new girl perform well against the likes of Cara & Camila. Hell, Hunter's fine with me because he's at least there to compete and competes well. I have no idea why anyone would be invested in Cory's elimination against Derrick H....does anyone believe either can do well this season? If so, kudos to you. Keep hope alive. Cory, even if he makes a final, isn't capable of winning.
With you 100% But my main qualm isn't competiton, its personality. I honestly couldn't tell you one thing that distinguishes people like Bri and Britni from each-other other than their hair and where they come from. The new kids are all cut from the same cloth. The ogs were not "only" cast because they could be reactionary, they all had a unique flavor and a interesting ******* life story or world view. Derrick, Darrell, Veronica & Aneesa are among the most mult-dimnesional people on this cast, the rest for the most part only have just one gear.
You gotta take those rose-colored glasses off. All of them were cast the same reason the new kids are cast now: Because they can be useful to the show in some way wether that be drama or just appealing to a certain group of people. This isn't The Real World.And in what world is Darrell Multi-Dimensional? He's the same person he's always been: Low-Key, drama free, will strike back if he's tested.
Aneesa & Veronica were definitely multi-dimensional. Darrell was a good/great/elite competitor that had amazing one liners. Derrick was, at one point, the underdog that people could root for and then he became the champion everyone else on the cast liked and respected. Casting for The Real World & Road Rules was simply better back then. It wasn't about trying to find wannabe models that wanted to do reality TV
That's not multi-Dimensional though. In Derrick's case that's called just changing. Veronica changed too at some point. To me. Multi Dimensional is someone like Abram: He seemed to have two sides to him. The Soft introspetive kind side and the side where he's just crazy, wild, roudy and just ready to kill.
That's called bipolar disorder.
Still multi-dimensional though.
No.Cast members like Wes, Sarah and (even though I hate him) John are multi-dimensional. They add to the politics, the competition and the storyline of the show. Abram is just manic. Calling him "mutli-dimensional" is like calling Duel 2 era CT "a little bit hotheaded". And to your original point, I love Derrick and Darrell but they're definitely NOT multi-dimensional in any sense of the word. They're good competitors, but they don't make game moves and they keep it too lowkey to be involved in any storylines (which is what I love about them).
Well then if that's the case then then Abram is still multi dimensional as he's added to all of that at various points so that still stands. And then you can't sit here and say that all the new kids are all "cut from the same cloth" or one dimensional because SOME of them have added to all of that as well(I know you didn't specifically say that but referencing the person I quoted).
What were Abram's game moves? I'm talking strategy and politics. And what storylines did he add to that weren't forced on him? I used to really like the guy, but he has only ever proven himself to be manic and unreliable. I doubt anyone in the cast even likes him that much. They all say he's an animal and that they wouldn't want to go into an elimination against him, but that doesn't mean anything other than they're probably scared of him on a human level.
His romance with Coral on Sexes 2? Or his entire relationship with CM? Those are storylines forced or not. Hell keeping CM on his team on Cutthorat you could consider a game move(Wether it was good or bad is irrelevant).And what does people not liking him have to do with anything? That doesn't mean he isn't two dimensional.
It does, because it shows they seem him (in all his manic glory) as a character rather than an actual, multi-dimensional person. If sticking your **** in someone makes you multi-dimensional, then Dunbar, Danny Jamieson and Tony are also multi-dimensional. Abram is an entertaining cast member, but let's not pretend he does anything on the show besides growl in his interviews and let the other people do the talking.
I honestly think you're discrediting him now. Because he's done alot more than just hook-up and you know that. How you're looked at by the cast member doesn't mean anything when it comes to what he brings to the show and whether he's a chracter or not. Because then Backpack/Wes/Camilla aren't multi-Dimensional either because people don't like them and you stated those people are. So what really determines who's multi-dimensional and what doesn't?
One, I mentioned bipolar disorder because you argued that Abram's various mood swings make him multi-dimensional (i.e. fun loving one second and the complete opposite the next). That's not what makes you multi-dimensional. I was not trying to discredit his character. I was trying to refute the points you were making, using the observations I've made as a challenge viewer (i.e. minimal friendships formed, coming across as animalistic rather than human by other cast members including one of his ex-girlfriends.) Two, I've never he said he brings nothing to the show. In fact I called him entertaining at one point, did I not? In any case, being entertaining doesn't mean you're multi-dimensional. Without the other components, it just means you're entertaining. Three, I've clearly stated my standards for what makes a multi-dimensional cast member. People who make a point of adding to the politics, the storyline and the competition of the show, which, in my opinion, Abram does not (whereas players like Wes and John, do).Abram is the type who either checks out immediately or tries to beast his way to the end. Is he a good competitor? Sure. But again, that doesn't make him multi-dimensional.
And by your standards I disagree with you because throught his tenure on the show I feel like he's added in all of those categories. Maybe not consistently but he has. Which is the point I'm making.
Really? I thought you were making the point that his manic, textbook bipolar disorder makes him multi-dimensional.
Anyway, I'm glad that Sarah turned down the new Champs vs. Pros. She should just live her life and be happy now.
Wait, do we already know whose been offered spots on Champs v Pros 2? I'm sure Coral would be down since she was up for XXX but had to back out last minute
kvm1977 wrote:Old Schoolers shouldn't be taking focus away from the New kids if they really can carry this show. Everyone that has ever been on The Real World and Road Rules should be CONSIDERED and those that can add to show, new or old, should be cast. I hate AYTO but Tori adds to the show so I'll enjoy finally watching a new girl perform well against the likes of Cara & Camila. Hell, Hunter's fine with me because he's at least there to compete and competes well. I have no idea why anyone would be invested in Cory's elimination against Derrick H....does anyone believe either can do well this season? If so, kudos to you. Keep hope alive. Cory, even if he makes a final, isn't capable of winning.
With you 100% But my main qualm isn't competiton, its personality. I honestly couldn't tell you one thing that distinguishes people like Bri and Britni from each-other other than their hair and where they come from. The new kids are all cut from the same cloth. The ogs were not "only" cast because they could be reactionary, they all had a unique flavor and a interesting ******* life story or world view. Derrick, Darrell, Veronica & Aneesa are among the most mult-dimnesional people on this cast, the rest for the most part only have just one gear.
You gotta take those rose-colored glasses off. All of them were cast the same reason the new kids are cast now: Because they can be useful to the show in some way wether that be drama or just appealing to a certain group of people. This isn't The Real World.And in what world is Darrell Multi-Dimensional? He's the same person he's always been: Low-Key, drama free, will strike back if he's tested.
Aneesa & Veronica were definitely multi-dimensional. Darrell was a good/great/elite competitor that had amazing one liners. Derrick was, at one point, the underdog that people could root for and then he became the champion everyone else on the cast liked and respected. Casting for The Real World & Road Rules was simply better back then. It wasn't about trying to find wannabe models that wanted to do reality TV
That's not multi-Dimensional though. In Derrick's case that's called just changing. Veronica changed too at some point. To me. Multi Dimensional is someone like Abram: He seemed to have two sides to him. The Soft introspetive kind side and the side where he's just crazy, wild, roudy and just ready to kill.
That's called bipolar disorder.
Still multi-dimensional though.
No.Cast members like Wes, Sarah and (even though I hate him) John are multi-dimensional. They add to the politics, the competition and the storyline of the show. Abram is just manic. Calling him "mutli-dimensional" is like calling Duel 2 era CT "a little bit hotheaded". And to your original point, I love Derrick and Darrell but they're definitely NOT multi-dimensional in any sense of the word. They're good competitors, but they don't make game moves and they keep it too lowkey to be involved in any storylines (which is what I love about them).
Well then if that's the case then then Abram is still multi dimensional as he's added to all of that at various points so that still stands. And then you can't sit here and say that all the new kids are all "cut from the same cloth" or one dimensional because SOME of them have added to all of that as well(I know you didn't specifically say that but referencing the person I quoted).
What were Abram's game moves? I'm talking strategy and politics. And what storylines did he add to that weren't forced on him? I used to really like the guy, but he has only ever proven himself to be manic and unreliable. I doubt anyone in the cast even likes him that much. They all say he's an animal and that they wouldn't want to go into an elimination against him, but that doesn't mean anything other than they're probably scared of him on a human level.
His romance with Coral on Sexes 2? Or his entire relationship with CM? Those are storylines forced or not. Hell keeping CM on his team on Cutthorat you could consider a game move(Wether it was good or bad is irrelevant).And what does people not liking him have to do with anything? That doesn't mean he isn't two dimensional.
It does, because it shows they seem him (in all his manic glory) as a character rather than an actual, multi-dimensional person. If sticking your **** in someone makes you multi-dimensional, then Dunbar, Danny Jamieson and Tony are also multi-dimensional. Abram is an entertaining cast member, but let's not pretend he does anything on the show besides growl in his interviews and let the other people do the talking.
I honestly think you're discrediting him now. Because he's done alot more than just hook-up and you know that. How you're looked at by the cast member doesn't mean anything when it comes to what he brings to the show and whether he's a chracter or not. Because then Backpack/Wes/Camilla aren't multi-Dimensional either because people don't like them and you stated those people are. So what really determines who's multi-dimensional and what doesn't?
One, I mentioned bipolar disorder because you argued that Abram's various mood swings make him multi-dimensional (i.e. fun loving one second and the complete opposite the next). That's not what makes you multi-dimensional. I was not trying to discredit his character. I was trying to refute the points you were making, using the observations I've made as a challenge viewer (i.e. minimal friendships formed, coming across as animalistic rather than human by other cast members including one of his ex-girlfriends.) Two, I've never he said he brings nothing to the show. In fact I called him entertaining at one point, did I not? In any case, being entertaining doesn't mean you're multi-dimensional. Without the other components, it just means you're entertaining. Three, I've clearly stated my standards for what makes a multi-dimensional cast member. People who make a point of adding to the politics, the storyline and the competition of the show, which, in my opinion, Abram does not (whereas players like Wes and John, do).Abram is the type who either checks out immediately or tries to beast his way to the end. Is he a good competitor? Sure. But again, that doesn't make him multi-dimensional.
And by your standards I disagree with you because throught his tenure on the show I feel like he's added in all of those categories. Maybe not consistently but he has. Which is the point I'm making.
Really? I thought you were making the point that his manic, textbook bipolar disorder makes him multi-dimensional. Anyway, I'm glad that Sarah turned down the new Champs vs. Pros. She should just live her life and be happy now.
No. I was using yours standards. But honestly either way He is mutli-dimensional so...
I hope if Sarah, Paula & Susie still don't want to do it I hope we get some more "obscure" girls like Cara Z or Ibis, hell I could even see Sarah Greyson and Cara agreeing to be on if the other is
I hope if Sarah, Paula & Susie still don't want to do it I hope we get some more "obscure" girls like Cara Z or Ibis, hell I could even see Sarah Greyson and Cara agreeing to be on if the other is
Are they going to able to get any of them? Just because it's shorter doesn't mean the pool is wide open. I think they may be better off with the all-star concept.
Wait, do we already know whose been offered spots on Champs v Pros 2? I'm sure Coral would be down since she was up for XXX but had to back out last minute
Sarah mentioned on the podcast that she's not on it. I don't know about anyone else.
No. I was using yours standards. But honestly either way He is mutli-dimensional.
I agree, from punching out Adam & Donnell to dressing up in a polar bear outfit and peddling his childrens book there are definetly layers. Not all of them healthy, but some nice layers all the same.
No. I was using yours standards. But honestly either way He is mutli-dimensional.
I agree, from punching out Adam & Donnell to dressing up in a polar bear outfit and peddling his childrens book there are definetly layers. Not all of them healthy, but some nice layers all the same.
Exactly. He's not just one thing. Wether it's his personality or the game.
Are they going to able to get any of them? Just because it's shorter doesn't mean the pool is wide open. I think they may be better off with the all-star concept.
I think because its LA based and alot of the competitors would get to go home with their families and sleep in the9r own beds after a day of filming that will make a HUGE difference as far as who says yes and who says no. By your Avi I can tell you're a WWE fan, do the wrestlers have an off season b/c if so if I was production I would try like hell to get Mike on the champs team this go around. This is like a two week time commitment right? If they catch Mike at the right time I totally see him being game, esp if they nab Coral. Coral would be easy, if she was receptive to XXX which would be 2 + months away from her daughter in Colombia then she would say yes to this. I see production renting her and her daughter/whoever a condo for the two weeks too, this is the only format where they would be able to do that so production should be swinging for the fenses.
Are they going to able to get any of them? Just because it's shorter doesn't mean the pool is wide open. I think they may be better off with the all-star concept.
I think because its LA based and alot of the competitors would get to go home with their families and sleep in the9r own beds after a day of filming that will make a HUGE difference as far as who says yes and who says no. By your Avi I can tell you're a WWE fan, do the wrestlers have an off season b/c if so if I was production I would try like hell to get Mike on the champs team this go around. This is like a two week time commitment right? If they catch Mike at the right time I totally see him being game, esp if they nab Coral. Coral would be easy, if she was receptive to XXX which would be 2 + months away from her daughter in Colombia then she would say yes to this. I see production renting her and her daughter/whoever a condo for the two weeks too, this is the only format where they would be able to do that so production should be swinging for the fenses.
Wrestlers don't have an off season. They work pretty much all year round. I think the only way Mike can get on is if WWE allows him to do it.
They need to wait till Hunter is fully healed to do a AYTO vs RW. He is the first or second best AYTO guy with Nelson. They desperately need him to give ayto the best possible team. I will take bloodlines 2 over if they are going to cast ayto vs rw like gauntlet 3 or the ruins in terms of how damn uneven the teams were.
Debut Album wrote:Are they going to able to get any of them? Just because it's shorter doesn't mean the pool is wide open. I think they may be better off with the all-star concept.
I think because its LA based and alot of the competitors would get to go home with their families and sleep in the9r own beds after a day of filming that will make a HUGE difference as far as who says yes and who says no. By your Avi I can tell you're a WWE fan, do the wrestlers have an off season b/c if so if I was production I would try like hell to get Mike on the champs team this go around. This is like a two week time commitment right? If they catch Mike at the right time I totally see him being game, esp if they nab Coral. Coral would be easy, if she was receptive to XXX which would be 2 + months away from her daughter in Colombia then she would say yes to this. I see production renting her and her daughter/whoever a condo for the two weeks too, this is the only format where they would be able to do that so production should be swinging for the fenses.
Wrestlers don't have an off season. They work pretty much all year round. I think the only way Mike can get on is if WWE allows him to do it.
which isn't going to happen. He has a good storyline going on rn and he's the intercontinental champion
Do we really care about Aneesa's sexuality? She debuted like fifteen years ago. Back then if you ****** someone of the same gender, you were fully gay to the world regardless of what you said. Now it's different. People are more accepting and the idea of someone being "********" isn't nearly as difficult for the world to process as it used to be. She's attracred to both girls and guys. That's all there is to it.
Tami did a facebook live . She's OVER WITH MTV and never doing anything BMP related. She's seen David E around and they're cool.
What were Abram's game moves? I'm talking strategy and politics. And what storylines did he add to that weren't forced on him? I used to really like the guy, but he has only ever proven himself to be manic and unreliable. I doubt anyone in the cast even likes him that much. They all say he's an animal and that they wouldn't want to go into an elimination against him, but that doesn't mean anything other than they're probably scared of him on a human level.
The Tami / Jo speculation def didnt come from me lol. I can't find who mentioned it now but I saw it when scrolling. Tami would never do it lmaoo
His romance with Coral on Sexes 2? Or his entire relationship with CM? Those are storylines forced or not. Hell keeping CM on his team on Cutthorat you could consider a game move(Wether it was good or bad is irrelevant). I may be reaching with those but if I am then he's always been a good competitor. Not a beast but in no way a slouch. And he's been entertaining as hell too IMO so still...He's two dimensional.
And what does people not liking him have to do with anything? That doesn't mean he isn't two dimensional.
Not surprising in the least. She's on VH1 now. And even if she wasn't she still wouldn't return and BMP/MTV wouldn't cast her anyways.
I would really like a season of The Challenge where they got one person from each season of RW. That'd be cool.
It really would be honestly.
wouldnt be a problem for production except for having to choose between Jenna, Cory and Ashley.
yeah IMO everything pointed towards an AYTO vs RW for next season
It does, because it shows they seem him (in all his manic glory) as a character rather than an actual, multi-dimensional person. If sticking your **** in someone makes you multi-dimensional, then Dunbar, Danny Jamieson and Tony are also multi-dimensional. Abram is an entertaining cast member, but let's not pretend he does anything on the show besides growl in his interviews and let the other people do the talking.
Cory or Ashley. Jenna can bounce
I honestly think you're discrediting him now. Because he's done alot more than just hook-up and you know that. How you're looked at by the cast member doesn't mean anything when it comes to what he brings to the show and whether he's a chracter or not. Because then Backpack/Wes/Camilla aren't multi-Dimensional either because people don't like them and you stated those people are. So what really determines who's multi-dimensional and what doesn't?
One, I mentioned bipolar disorder because you argued that Abram's various mood swings make him multi-dimensional (i.e. fun loving one second and the complete opposite the next). That's not what makes you multi-dimensional. I was not trying to discredit his character. I was trying to refute the points you were making, using the observations I've made as a challenge viewer (i.e. minimal friendships formed, coming across as animalistic rather than human by other cast members including one of his ex-girlfriends.)
Two, I've never he said he brings nothing to the show. In fact I called him entertaining at one point, did I not? In any case, being entertaining doesn't mean you're multi-dimensional. Without the other components, it just means you're entertaining.
Three, I've clearly stated my standards for what makes a multi-dimensional cast member. People who make a point of adding to the politics, the storyline and the competition of the show, which, in my opinion, Abram does not (whereas players like Wes and John, do).
Abram is the type who either checks out immediately or tries to beast his way to the end. Is he a good competitor? Sure. But again, that doesn't make him multi-dimensional.
And by your standards I disagree with you because throught his tenure on the show I feel like he's added in all of those categories. Maybe not consistently but he has. Which is the point I'm making.
I can think of atleast one person from each season that could be coerced into it. 32 people is a nice sized cast too!
Really? I thought you were making the point that his manic, textbook bipolar disorder makes him multi-dimensional.
Anyway, I'm glad that Sarah turned down the new Champs vs. Pros. She should just live her life and be happy now.
Wait, do we already know whose been offered spots on Champs v Pros 2? I'm sure Coral would be down since she was up for XXX but had to back out last minute
No. I was using yours standards. But honestly either way He is mutli-dimensional so...
I hope if Sarah, Paula & Susie still don't want to do it I hope we get some more "obscure" girls like Cara Z or Ibis, hell I could even see Sarah Greyson and Cara agreeing to be on if the other is
Are they going to able to get any of them? Just because it's shorter doesn't mean the pool is wide open. I think they may be better off with the all-star concept.
Sarah mentioned on the podcast that she's not on it. I don't know about anyone else.
I agree, from punching out Adam & Donnell to dressing up in a polar bear outfit and peddling his childrens book there are definetly layers. Not all of them healthy, but some nice layers all the same.
Exactly. He's not just one thing. Wether it's his personality or the game.
I think Abram has been a great addition on every season he's done.
Gauntlet: hooked up with Veronica and Rachel at the same time
Inferno: made it to end and won
BOTS2: had a relationship with Coral
Inferno 2: one of the best eliminations ever with Brad, fight with Darrell and rivalry with Tina
Inferno 3: made it to the end and won
The Island: got stung by wasps
Cutthroat: made it to the end, hooked up with Cara
Bloodlines: the best addition to that season
only one season I can't remember much is Exes 1 but that's because I found that entire season so boring
I think because its LA based and alot of the competitors would get to go home with their families and sleep in the9r own beds after a day of filming that will make a HUGE difference as far as who says yes and who says no. By your Avi I can tell you're a WWE fan, do the wrestlers have an off season b/c if so if I was production I would try like hell to get Mike on the champs team this go around. This is like a two week time commitment right? If they catch Mike at the right time I totally see him being game, esp if they nab Coral. Coral would be easy, if she was receptive to XXX which would be 2 + months away from her daughter in Colombia then she would say yes to this. I see production renting her and her daughter/whoever a condo for the two weeks too, this is the only format where they would be able to do that so production should be swinging for the fenses.
Wrestlers don't have an off season. They work pretty much all year round. I think the only way Mike can get on is if WWE allows him to do it.
They need to wait till Hunter is fully healed to do a AYTO vs RW. He is the first or second best AYTO guy with Nelson. They desperately need him to give ayto the best possible team. I will take bloodlines 2 over if they are going to cast ayto vs rw like gauntlet 3 or the ruins in terms of how damn uneven the teams were.
which isn't going to happen. He has a good storyline going on rn and he's the intercontinental champion
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