kvm1977 wrote:All eras should be included. We all know how awful the new school era has been. Limiting casting is exactly what started this. Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant. To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity. Younger & fresher =/= better. Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing. Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age. Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't. Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.
You're acting like they don't have these spinoffs up & running now. They can easily have the Oldies we all know, love & want to see back on there while the regular Challenge is running simultaneously......they can switch it up for ONE regular Challenge & let some of the newer people get some shine. It's coming to a point where they pretty much have to anyway so it'll be a start.
How are we reaching that point? More old schoolers want to return now than have in a very long time. New people don't need weak casts to shine...see Tori. They just need to perform and be relevant. If you can't do that with a strong cast you can't carry a show without them.
They're wanting to come back but they're not asking nearly enough of them to see much of a difference. Elka said she wanted to come back a while ago, Arissa, Syrus, Ruthie, etc. & I've been told that certain others have had to call BMP to let them know they want to come back (just like Shane had to). It's not so much that they want to come back, BMP's ********* has to want them back as well & at the moment, they seem to only want the standouts/main characters from the Golden Era (which is fine with me but still).Have you seen Robb lately? Have you seen Connor or Dre Sinclair at ALL? There definitely won't be any slouches on either team if I had my way with casting.
Then cast them along with Old Schoolers if you're so sure they can compete with them. The reality is you don't believe that. Yes, I've seen Robb lately--he's still not a great athlete but bring him back. Bring in any AYTO that you want but another Seasons (2012) can't happen and that's what you're stating you want.
Until you beat the real champions you aren't shit...see Sam & Zach
What the **** does it really matter? Like at the end of the day this is a ******* reality show. Being a good competitor and winning on these things means very little at the end of the day.
Graphik don't even try to explain to this idiot. I'm about to go ballistic, but I'm MOST DEFINITELY not going to let this ignorant fool take me there. He refuses to listen, therefore just let him talk to himself and he'll look like even more of an idiot.
rwportland2 wrote:Agree with Graphik and Debut. There's a lot of potential with the new schoolers, production just has to pick them. It's the same argument we had with the mid school era aka the JEK era. Instead of using JEK and their band full of sheeps all the time, they could have changed it up and added more Hollywood people, DC people, and the other half of the NOLA2 cast. But no we were presented with that trash in arguably the worst era in Challenge history.
Like I'm one of THE biggest Old-School advocates on this site but even I know that clearly they're going to need to switch it up at some point. RW v.s. AYTO won't hurt at this point; the season after they can do Old School v.s New School.
How does that even make sense? You're definitely not one of the biggest advocates when you're saying they shouldn't even be considered for a season. You're LIMITING casting which is the worst thing they can do--it's the exact reason themes seasons typically suck
I don't understand how not ******* with Old Schoolers suddenly mean casting is limiting. You act like they don't have several pools of people to choose from. Mid School-Newer RW, Bloodlines, Fresh Meat and then of Course AYTO. This show won't be hurting without the old schoolers. In fact I'd say that save for a select few they shouldn't be bothered with at all. They're not needed for this show to be good.
The second you say...only from Vegas 2 and on you're limiting casting. That's not an opinion...that's a fact. This show improved greatly in quality and ratings when they went back to including Old Schoolers last season--how quickly you've forgotten Rivals 3. I know you like Seasons 2012 but see the ratings.
You guys don't want Bloodlines 2, but AYTO vs. RW like you guys are wanting it, is essentially the same. Let's not kid ourselves here production would definitely call the same majority of core people that has been used already first and only add a handful at best to the mix.
kvm1977 wrote:All eras should be included. We all know how awful the new school era has been. Limiting casting is exactly what started this. Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant. To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity. Younger & fresher =/= better. Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing. Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age. Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't. Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.
You're acting like they don't have these spinoffs up & running now. They can easily have the Oldies we all know, love & want to see back on there while the regular Challenge is running simultaneously......they can switch it up for ONE regular Challenge & let some of the newer people get some shine. It's coming to a point where they pretty much have to anyway so it'll be a start.
How are we reaching that point? More old schoolers want to return now than have in a very long time. New people don't need weak casts to shine...see Tori. They just need to perform and be relevant. If you can't do that with a strong cast you can't carry a show without them.
They're wanting to come back but they're not asking nearly enough of them to see much of a difference. Elka said she wanted to come back a while ago, Arissa, Syrus, Ruthie, etc. & I've been told that certain others have had to call BMP to let them know they want to come back (just like Shane had to). It's not so much that they want to come back, BMP's ********* has to want them back as well & at the moment, they seem to only want the standouts/main characters from the Golden Era (which is fine with me but still).Have you seen Robb lately? Have you seen Connor or Dre Sinclair at ALL? There definitely won't be any slouches on either team if I had my way with casting.
Then cast them along with Old Schoolers if you're so sure they can compete with them. The reality is you don't believe that. Yes, I've seen Robb lately--he's still not a great athlete but bring him back. Bring in any AYTO that you want but another Seasons (2012) can't happen and that's what you're stating you want.
Quite the contrary....Robb is one of the few LEGIT athletes this show has seen...he played College Basketball and isnt just some Crossfit Enthusiast
Graphik don't even try to explain to this idiot. I'm about to go ballistic, but I'm MOST DEFINITELY not going to let this ignorant fool take me there. He refuses to listen, therefore just let him talk to himself and he'll look like even more of an idiot.
Graphik don't even try to explain to this idiot. I'm about to go ballistic, but I'm MOST DEFINITELY not going to let this ignorant fool take me there. He refuses to listen, therefore just let him talk to himself and he'll look like even more of an idiot.
The **** in your picture is the definition of irrelevant. Though, as dumb as she is, she's not as stupid as you.
rwportland2 wrote:Agree with Graphik and Debut. There's a lot of potential with the new schoolers, production just has to pick them. It's the same argument we had with the mid school era aka the JEK era. Instead of using JEK and their band full of sheeps all the time, they could have changed it up and added more Hollywood people, DC people, and the other half of the NOLA2 cast. But no we were presented with that trash in arguably the worst era in Challenge history.
Like I'm one of THE biggest Old-School advocates on this site but even I know that clearly they're going to need to switch it up at some point. RW v.s. AYTO won't hurt at this point; the season after they can do Old School v.s New School.
How does that even make sense? You're definitely not one of the biggest advocates when you're saying they shouldn't even be considered for a season. You're LIMITING casting which is the worst thing they can do--it's the exact reason themes seasons typically suck
Yes the **** I am & YOU of all people should know that. RW v.s. AYTO is such a broad theme, you can't even begin to try to group that in the same category as a Rivals or an Exes. What the **** is wrong with wanting to see an evenly matched, competitive team Challenge? The cutoff can be Hollywood & they can even sprinkle a few old-schoolers in for all I care but what logical reason would there be to have a team of Darrell, Landon, CT, Alton, Wes & John against a bunch of AYTO rookies & 3-4 time AYTO vets? For you to be a fellow Old-School advocate, you're sounding like a casual right now.
kvm1977 wrote:All eras should be included. We all know how awful the new school era has been. Limiting casting is exactly what started this. Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant. To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity. Younger & fresher =/= better. Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing. Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age. Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't. Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.
You're acting like they don't have these spinoffs up & running now. They can easily have the Oldies we all know, love & want to see back on there while the regular Challenge is running simultaneously......they can switch it up for ONE regular Challenge & let some of the newer people get some shine. It's coming to a point where they pretty much have to anyway so it'll be a start.
How are we reaching that point? More old schoolers want to return now than have in a very long time. New people don't need weak casts to shine...see Tori. They just need to perform and be relevant. If you can't do that with a strong cast you can't carry a show without them.
They're wanting to come back but they're not asking nearly enough of them to see much of a difference. Elka said she wanted to come back a while ago, Arissa, Syrus, Ruthie, etc. & I've been told that certain others have had to call BMP to let them know they want to come back (just like Shane had to). It's not so much that they want to come back, BMP's ********* has to want them back as well & at the moment, they seem to only want the standouts/main characters from the Golden Era (which is fine with me but still).Have you seen Robb lately? Have you seen Connor or Dre Sinclair at ALL? There definitely won't be any slouches on either team if I had my way with casting.
Then cast them along with Old Schoolers if you're so sure they can compete with them. The reality is you don't believe that. Yes, I've seen Robb lately--he's still not a great athlete but bring him back. Bring in any AYTO that you want but another Seasons (2012) can't happen and that's what you're stating you want.
Quite the contrary....Robb is one of the few LEGIT athletes this show has seen...he played College Basketball and isnt just some Crossfit Enthusiast
1. You realize real athetes laugh at people that do Crossfit, right?
2. Lots of people played sports but aren't true athletes. Bring Robb back--maybe he can do something impressive. I'm all for anyone coming back but I want to see if Robb can do well against prove competitors not random losers from AYTO
Graphik don't even try to explain to this idiot. I'm about to go ballistic, but I'm MOST DEFINITELY not going to let this ignorant fool take me there. He refuses to listen, therefore just let him talk to himself and he'll look like even more of an idiot.
The **** in your picture is the definition of irrelevant. Though, as dumb as she is, she's not as stupid as you.
kvm1977 wrote:All eras should be included. We all know how awful the new school era has been. Limiting casting is exactly what started this. Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant. To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity. Younger & fresher =/= better. Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing. Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age. Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't. Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.
You're acting like they don't have these spinoffs up & running now. They can easily have the Oldies we all know, love & want to see back on there while the regular Challenge is running simultaneously......they can switch it up for ONE regular Challenge & let some of the newer people get some shine. It's coming to a point where they pretty much have to anyway so it'll be a start.
How are we reaching that point? More old schoolers want to return now than have in a very long time. New people don't need weak casts to shine...see Tori. They just need to perform and be relevant. If you can't do that with a strong cast you can't carry a show without them.
They're wanting to come back but they're not asking nearly enough of them to see much of a difference. Elka said she wanted to come back a while ago, Arissa, Syrus, Ruthie, etc. & I've been told that certain others have had to call BMP to let them know they want to come back (just like Shane had to). It's not so much that they want to come back, BMP's ********* has to want them back as well & at the moment, they seem to only want the standouts/main characters from the Golden Era (which is fine with me but still).Have you seen Robb lately? Have you seen Connor or Dre Sinclair at ALL? There definitely won't be any slouches on either team if I had my way with casting.
Then cast them along with Old Schoolers if you're so sure they can compete with them. The reality is you don't believe that. Yes, I've seen Robb lately--he's still not a great athlete but bring him back. Bring in any AYTO that you want but another Seasons (2012) can't happen and that's what you're stating you want.
Quite the contrary....Robb is one of the few LEGIT athletes this show has seen...he played College Basketball and isnt just some Crossfit Enthusiast
1. You realize real athetes laugh at people that do Crossfit, right?2. Lots of people played sports but aren't true athletes. Bring Robb back--maybe he can do something impressive. I'm all for anyone coming back but I want to see if Robb can do well against prove competitors not random losers from AYTO
1) You do realize most people who played sports DIDNT play in College
2) Robb is a LEGIT athlete, not some Church League Basketball playing fool like you're trying to make it out to be
rwportland2 wrote:Agree with Graphik and Debut. There's a lot of potential with the new schoolers, production just has to pick them. It's the same argument we had with the mid school era aka the JEK era. Instead of using JEK and their band full of sheeps all the time, they could have changed it up and added more Hollywood people, DC people, and the other half of the NOLA2 cast. But no we were presented with that trash in arguably the worst era in Challenge history.
Like I'm one of THE biggest Old-School advocates on this site but even I know that clearly they're going to need to switch it up at some point. RW v.s. AYTO won't hurt at this point; the season after they can do Old School v.s New School.
How does that even make sense? You're definitely not one of the biggest advocates when you're saying they shouldn't even be considered for a season. You're LIMITING casting which is the worst thing they can do--it's the exact reason themes seasons typically suck
Yes the **** I am & YOU of all people should know that. RW v.s. AYTO is such a broad theme, you can't even begin to try to group that in the same category as a Rivals or an Exes. What the **** is wrong with wanting to see an evenly matched, competitive team Challenge? The cutoff can be Hollywood & they can even sprinkle a few old-schoolers in for all I care but what logical reason would there be to have a team of Darrell, Landon, CT, Alton, Wes & John against a bunch of AYTO rookies & 3-4 time AYTO vets? For you to be a fellow Old-School advocate, you're sounding like a casual right now.
YOU said Vegas 2 and after...your words...or someone like Will or Greg. That's limiting casting. If you said, a 3-5 old schoolers that wouldn't have caused an argument because then you aren't really limiting cast. You're keeping options open to create the best cast. You specifically limited it. **** just use Landon, Wes & Coral and you'd be fine. But YOU SAID only Vegas 2 and after.
kvm1977 wrote:All eras should be included. We all know how awful the new school era has been. Limiting casting is exactly what started this. Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant. To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity. Younger & fresher =/= better. Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing. Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age. Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't. Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.
You're acting like they don't have these spinoffs up & running now. They can easily have the Oldies we all know, love & want to see back on there while the regular Challenge is running simultaneously......they can switch it up for ONE regular Challenge & let some of the newer people get some shine. It's coming to a point where they pretty much have to anyway so it'll be a start.
How are we reaching that point? More old schoolers want to return now than have in a very long time. New people don't need weak casts to shine...see Tori. They just need to perform and be relevant. If you can't do that with a strong cast you can't carry a show without them.
They're wanting to come back but they're not asking nearly enough of them to see much of a difference. Elka said she wanted to come back a while ago, Arissa, Syrus, Ruthie, etc. & I've been told that certain others have had to call BMP to let them know they want to come back (just like Shane had to). It's not so much that they want to come back, BMP's ********* has to want them back as well & at the moment, they seem to only want the standouts/main characters from the Golden Era (which is fine with me but still).Have you seen Robb lately? Have you seen Connor or Dre Sinclair at ALL? There definitely won't be any slouches on either team if I had my way with casting.
Then cast them along with Old Schoolers if you're so sure they can compete with them. The reality is you don't believe that. Yes, I've seen Robb lately--he's still not a great athlete but bring him back. Bring in any AYTO that you want but another Seasons (2012) can't happen and that's what you're stating you want.
Quite the contrary....Robb is one of the few LEGIT athletes this show has seen...he played College Basketball and isnt just some Crossfit Enthusiast
1. You realize real athetes laugh at people that do Crossfit, right?2. Lots of people played sports but aren't true athletes. Bring Robb back--maybe he can do something impressive. I'm all for anyone coming back but I want to see if Robb can do well against prove competitors not random losers from AYTO
1) You do realize most people who played sports DIDNT play in College2) Robb is a LEGIT athlete, not some Church League Basketball playing fool like you're trying to make it out to be
Let's bring him back and see what he does. Seasons 2012 was far from impressive. He got screwed with Derek on Rivals II but, again, unimpressive
For those that want to see this "all new school" challenge happen if you get that you better not ***** when they give John a contract to be in the next 7 like what happened after Seasons
kvm1977 wrote:All eras should be included. We all know how awful the new school era has been. Limiting casting is exactly what started this. Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant. To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity. Younger & fresher =/= better. Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing. Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age. Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't. Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.
You're acting like they don't have these spinoffs up & running now. They can easily have the Oldies we all know, love & want to see back on there while the regular Challenge is running simultaneously......they can switch it up for ONE regular Challenge & let some of the newer people get some shine. It's coming to a point where they pretty much have to anyway so it'll be a start.
How are we reaching that point? More old schoolers want to return now than have in a very long time. New people don't need weak casts to shine...see Tori. They just need to perform and be relevant. If you can't do that with a strong cast you can't carry a show without them.
They're wanting to come back but they're not asking nearly enough of them to see much of a difference. Elka said she wanted to come back a while ago, Arissa, Syrus, Ruthie, etc. & I've been told that certain others have had to call BMP to let them know they want to come back (just like Shane had to). It's not so much that they want to come back, BMP's ********* has to want them back as well & at the moment, they seem to only want the standouts/main characters from the Golden Era (which is fine with me but still).Have you seen Robb lately? Have you seen Connor or Dre Sinclair at ALL? There definitely won't be any slouches on either team if I had my way with casting.
Then cast them along with Old Schoolers if you're so sure they can compete with them. The reality is you don't believe that. Yes, I've seen Robb lately--he's still not a great athlete but bring him back. Bring in any AYTO that you want but another Seasons (2012) can't happen and that's what you're stating you want.
Quite the contrary....Robb is one of the few LEGIT athletes this show has seen...he played College Basketball and isnt just some Crossfit Enthusiast
1. You realize real athetes laugh at people that do Crossfit, right?2. Lots of people played sports but aren't true athletes. Bring Robb back--maybe he can do something impressive. I'm all for anyone coming back but I want to see if Robb can do well against prove competitors not random losers from AYTO
1) You do realize most people who played sports DIDNT play in College2) Robb is a LEGIT athlete, not some Church League Basketball playing fool like you're trying to make it out to be
Let's bring him back and see what he does. Seasons 2012 was far from impressive. He got screwed with Derek on Rivals II but, again, unimpressive
he was a decent competitor other than not being able to go deep under water, but he was also a heavy smoker at the time
For those that want to see this "all new school" challenge happen if you get that you better not ***** when they give John a contract to be in the next 7 like what happened after Seasons
A real champion is pretty much anyone other than Season 2012....or John & Sarah on Rivals III since there wasn't even competition for them.
Yes, people that won those team challenges did far more than anyone on Seasons. Sam, Devyn, JD, Chet, Trishelle and Dustin all made the final that season. LOL @ that patheticness.
rwportland2 wrote:Agree with Graphik and Debut. There's a lot of potential with the new schoolers, production just has to pick them. It's the same argument we had with the mid school era aka the JEK era. Instead of using JEK and their band full of sheeps all the time, they could have changed it up and added more Hollywood people, DC people, and the other half of the NOLA2 cast. But no we were presented with that trash in arguably the worst era in Challenge history.
Like I'm one of THE biggest Old-School advocates on this site but even I know that clearly they're going to need to switch it up at some point. RW v.s. AYTO won't hurt at this point; the season after they can do Old School v.s New School.
How does that even make sense? You're definitely not one of the biggest advocates when you're saying they shouldn't even be considered for a season. You're LIMITING casting which is the worst thing they can do--it's the exact reason themes seasons typically suck
I don't understand how not ******* with Old Schoolers suddenly mean casting is limiting. You act like they don't have several pools of people to choose from. Mid School-Newer RW, Bloodlines, Fresh Meat and then of Course AYTO. This show won't be hurting without the old schoolers. In fact I'd say that save for a select few they shouldn't be bothered with at all. They're not needed for this show to be good.
The second you say...only from Vegas 2 and on you're limiting casting. That's not an opinion...that's a fact. This show improved greatly in quality and ratings when they went back to including Old Schoolers last season--how quickly you've forgotten Rivals 3. I know you like Seasons 2012 but see the ratings.
The reason why Rivals 3 sucked wasn't because of old schoolers not being there though. It was because the amount of stupid pairs, Useless Castmembers(RW and AYTO), format that made it really hard to make real moves. Garbage *** twist at the end etc. Old Schoolers being there wouldn't have made a **** difference and you know it.
And I see you still don't get why Seasons 2 didn't do well. It had nothing to do with the newer people. It was a sudden change to what viewers were getting at the time. It was risky as **** and didn't pay off. That doesn't mean The newer people are weak and can't carry the show. People just gotta get used to them first.
Stop acting like these Old Schoolers are gods and are just totally needed for this show. They aren't and really haven't been in a long as time even if they are good characters.
BOTS 2012 is one of the best challenges ever produced. Miss me with that bullshit
John's favorite season...ensured him of 7 seasons. Worst finalists ever. Sarah & Frank R were the only 2 GOOD competitors in that final. Well, Ashley & Zach were good. It was like having a season full of Shauvons & Katelynns
A real champion is pretty much anyone other than Season 2012....or John & Sarah on Rivals III since there wasn't even competition for them. Yes, people that won those team challenges did far more than anyone on Seasons. Sam, Devyn, JD, Chet, Trishelle and Dustin all made the final that season. LOL @ that patheticness.
and they all WON an elimination to get to that final so you can say they were pathetic all you want and yes some of them are, but at some point they won an elimination
For those that want to see this "all new school" challenge happen if you get that you better not ***** when they give John a contract to be in the next 7 like what happened after Seasons
Right. Because NO newer people hasn't been established and been apart of this show after Seasons 2. Absolutley none.
Isnt Robb like 260? gl maybe getting 3rd place with todays finals
lol hes in better shape than most of the people on this show, if you followed him on instagram you would see what he does for workouts, he would BEAST a final
rwportland2 wrote:Agree with Graphik and Debut. There's a lot of potential with the new schoolers, production just has to pick them. It's the same argument we had with the mid school era aka the JEK era. Instead of using JEK and their band full of sheeps all the time, they could have changed it up and added more Hollywood people, DC people, and the other half of the NOLA2 cast. But no we were presented with that trash in arguably the worst era in Challenge history.
Like I'm one of THE biggest Old-School advocates on this site but even I know that clearly they're going to need to switch it up at some point. RW v.s. AYTO won't hurt at this point; the season after they can do Old School v.s New School.
How does that even make sense? You're definitely not one of the biggest advocates when you're saying they shouldn't even be considered for a season. You're LIMITING casting which is the worst thing they can do--it's the exact reason themes seasons typically suck
Yes the **** I am & YOU of all people should know that. RW v.s. AYTO is such a broad theme, you can't even begin to try to group that in the same category as a Rivals or an Exes. What the **** is wrong with wanting to see an evenly matched, competitive team Challenge? The cutoff can be Hollywood & they can even sprinkle a few old-schoolers in for all I care but what logical reason would there be to have a team of Darrell, Landon, CT, Alton, Wes & John against a bunch of AYTO rookies & 3-4 time AYTO vets? For you to be a fellow Old-School advocate, you're sounding like a casual right now.
YOU said Vegas 2 and after...your words...or someone like Will or Greg. That's limiting casting. If you said, a 3-5 old schoolers that wouldn't have caused an argument because then you aren't really limiting cast. You're keeping options open to create the best cast. You specifically limited it. **** just use Landon, Wes & Coral and you'd be fine. But YOU SAID only Vegas 2 and after.
I did & I still stand by that; I could extend it to Sydney/Hollywood and up though. My whole point is to have an EVEN competition that will showcase up & coming talent on both sides; it doesn't need to be a massacre like The Ruins was. Team AYTO can have all the Elite monsters they've ever cast on a team but they're not beating a whole team of Vets & simply based off the experience the Vets have had.
A RW consisting of mostly newer people with some regulars like Leroy, Jordan, Cory, Ashley M. Kailah, etc. against a solid AYTO team would be a VERY good season imo & that's what it is. Format that shit like the first Gauntlet, timed missions like the Old-School days, Gauntlet/Duel/FA-style eliminations & of course the drama......imo you'd be a fool to think that won't go over well.
BOTS 2012 is one of the best challenges ever produced. Miss me with that bullshit
John's favorite season...ensured him of 7 seasons. Worst finalists ever. Sarah & Frank R were the only 2 GOOD competitors in that final. Well, Ashley & Zach were good. It was like having a season full of Shauvons & Katelynns
Frank S bro, i knew that BOTS 2 made JB more of a staple on the show but i havent thought how big of an effect it actually had
Then cast them along with Old Schoolers if you're so sure they can compete with them. The reality is you don't believe that. Yes, I've seen Robb lately--he's still not a great athlete but bring him back. Bring in any AYTO that you want but another Seasons (2012) can't happen and that's what you're stating you want.
What the **** does it really matter? Like at the end of the day this is a ******* reality show. Being a good competitor and winning on these things means very little at the end of the day.
Graphik don't even try to explain to this idiot. I'm about to go ballistic, but I'm MOST DEFINITELY not going to let this ignorant fool take me there. He refuses to listen, therefore just let him talk to himself and he'll look like even more of an idiot.
The second you say...only from Vegas 2 and on you're limiting casting. That's not an opinion...that's a fact. This show improved greatly in quality and ratings when they went back to including Old Schoolers last season--how quickly you've forgotten Rivals 3. I know you like Seasons 2012 but see the ratings.
Sadly this is true.
Quite the contrary....Robb is one of the few LEGIT athletes this show has seen...he played College Basketball and isnt just some Crossfit Enthusiast
HBS you are fooling no one .....
The **** in your picture is the definition of irrelevant. Though, as dumb as she is, she's not as stupid as you.
Yes the **** I am & YOU of all people should know that. RW v.s. AYTO is such a broad theme, you can't even begin to try to group that in the same category as a Rivals or an Exes. What the **** is wrong with wanting to see an evenly matched, competitive team Challenge? The cutoff can be Hollywood & they can even sprinkle a few old-schoolers in for all I care but what logical reason would there be to have a team of Darrell, Landon, CT, Alton, Wes & John against a bunch of AYTO rookies & 3-4 time AYTO vets? For you to be a fellow Old-School advocate, you're sounding like a casual right now.
1. You realize real athetes laugh at people that do Crossfit, right?
2. Lots of people played sports but aren't true athletes. Bring Robb back--maybe he can do something impressive. I'm all for anyone coming back but I want to see if Robb can do well against prove competitors not random losers from AYTO
****? How? Explain...
What is a real champion? Someone who won cookie cutter challenges back in the day?
1) You do realize most people who played sports DIDNT play in College
2) Robb is a LEGIT athlete, not some Church League Basketball playing fool like you're trying to make it out to be
YOU said Vegas 2 and after...your words...or someone like Will or Greg. That's limiting casting. If you said, a 3-5 old schoolers that wouldn't have caused an argument because then you aren't really limiting cast. You're keeping options open to create the best cast. You specifically limited it. **** just use Landon, Wes & Coral and you'd be fine. But YOU SAID only Vegas 2 and after.
Let's bring him back and see what he does. Seasons 2012 was far from impressive. He got screwed with Derek on Rivals II but, again, unimpressive
For those that want to see this "all new school" challenge happen if you get that you better not ***** when they give John a contract to be in the next 7 like what happened after Seasons
he was a decent competitor other than not being able to go deep under water, but he was also a heavy smoker at the time
BOTS 2012 is one of the best challenges ever produced. Miss me with that bullshit
A real champion is pretty much anyone other than Season 2012....or John & Sarah on Rivals III since there wasn't even competition for them.
Yes, people that won those team challenges did far more than anyone on Seasons. Sam, Devyn, JD, Chet, Trishelle and Dustin all made the final that season. LOL @ that patheticness.
The reason why Rivals 3 sucked wasn't because of old schoolers not being there though. It was because the amount of stupid pairs, Useless Castmembers(RW and AYTO), format that made it really hard to make real moves. Garbage *** twist at the end etc. Old Schoolers being there wouldn't have made a **** difference and you know it.
And I see you still don't get why Seasons 2 didn't do well. It had nothing to do with the newer people. It was a sudden change to what viewers were getting at the time. It was risky as **** and didn't pay off. That doesn't mean The newer people are weak and can't carry the show. People just gotta get used to them first.
Stop acting like these Old Schoolers are gods and are just totally needed for this show. They aren't and really haven't been in a long as time even if they are good characters.
Isnt Robb like 260? gl maybe getting 3rd place with todays finals
John's favorite season...ensured him of 7 seasons. Worst finalists ever. Sarah & Frank R were the only 2 GOOD competitors in that final. Well, Ashley & Zach were good. It was like having a season full of Shauvons & Katelynns
and they all WON an elimination to get to that final so you can say they were pathetic all you want and yes some of them are, but at some point they won an elimination
Right. Because NO newer people hasn't been established and been apart of this show after Seasons 2. Absolutley none.
lol hes in better shape than most of the people on this show, if you followed him on instagram you would see what he does for workouts, he would BEAST a final
I did & I still stand by that; I could extend it to Sydney/Hollywood and up though. My whole point is to have an EVEN competition that will showcase up & coming talent on both sides; it doesn't need to be a massacre like The Ruins was. Team AYTO can have all the Elite monsters they've ever cast on a team but they're not beating a whole team of Vets & simply based off the experience the Vets have had.
A RW consisting of mostly newer people with some regulars like Leroy, Jordan, Cory, Ashley M. Kailah, etc. against a solid AYTO team would be a VERY good season imo & that's what it is. Format that shit like the first Gauntlet, timed missions like the Old-School days, Gauntlet/Duel/FA-style eliminations & of course the drama......imo you'd be a fool to think that won't go over well.
Frank S bro, i knew that BOTS 2 made JB more of a staple on the show but i havent thought how big of an effect it actually had
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