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Graphik wrote:

Just like Old v.s. New during the Seasons 2/Rivals 2 time period, it's clearly time for RW v.s. AYTO to officially roll out the return of team Challenges but nooooo........Bloodlines 2 is clearly what everyone wants!

RW would destroy AYTO so that's not a great idea either.  For a mini-challenge that would be fine but not an entire season of that.   14-16 is a lot of AYTO.  If they could pull off Cutthroat of RW vs RR/FM vs AYTO that could work though AYTO is still going to get destroyed.  They absolutey need Hunter and Tori to have any shot.

The smart thing to do would be to have all newer seasons representing the RW team, the earliest being Vegas 2. I think AYTO can keep up with them & it would be evenly matched.

It sounds like to me they're still on the whole "relatable, easy to follow themes = more viewers" BS, completely neglecting the fact that NOBODY liked said theme's first season & advertising is not going to change that.On top of that if viewers can follow Bloodlines/Invasion/Dirty 30's formats, they can keep up with ANY format ****

thats hilarious considering how messy it was to follow the Invasion format. As good as that season was, that format was horribly planned throughout. Production just making one excuse after another 

Melanie and Tori would wreck the RW girls. Know that.

kvm1977 wrote:

Graphik wrote:Just like Old v.s. New during the Seasons 2/Rivals 2 time period, it's clearly time for RW v.s. AYTO to officially roll out the return of team Challenges but nooooo........Bloodlines 2 is clearly what everyone wants!

RW would destroy AYTO so that's not a great idea either.  For a mini-challenge that would be fine but not an entire season of that.   14-16 is a lot of AYTO.  If they could pull off Cutthroat of RW vs RR/FM vs AYTO that could work though AYTO is still going to get destroyed.  They absolutey need Hunter and Tori to have any shot.

The smart thing to do would be to have all newer seasons representing the RW team, the earliest being Vegas 2. I think AYTO can keep up with them & it would be evenly matched.

So let's start casting poorly and limiting the cast again--that's a great idea.

I don't understand them, they go for simple themes needlessly complex formats where you can lose but only when it's the second Cresent moon if your team doesn't pick you

Graphik wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:

Graphik wrote:Just like Old v.s. New during the Seasons 2/Rivals 2 time period, it's clearly time for RW v.s. AYTO to officially roll out the return of team Challenges but nooooo........Bloodlines 2 is clearly what everyone wants!

RW would destroy AYTO so that's not a great idea either.  For a mini-challenge that would be fine but not an entire season of that.   14-16 is a lot of AYTO.  If they could pull off Cutthroat of RW vs RR/FM vs AYTO that could work though AYTO is still going to get destroyed.  They absolutey need Hunter and Tori to have any shot.

The smart thing to do would be to have all newer seasons representing the RW team, the earliest being Vegas 2. I think AYTO can keep up with them & it would be evenly matched.

So let's start casting poorly and limiting the cast again--that's a great idea.

That's all your opinion because you don't know most of them; they have a ton of newer RW'ers who are either underutilized or haven't been at all. AYTO also has a ton of monster-sized men who, for whatever reason, haven't been used yet either along with Tori/Melanie who would carry the girls side.

They can easily make Allies like Bloodlines.

Graphik wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:

Graphik wrote:Just like Old v.s. New during the Seasons 2/Rivals 2 time period, it's clearly time for RW v.s. AYTO to officially roll out the return of team Challenges but nooooo........Bloodlines 2 is clearly what everyone wants!

RW would destroy AYTO so that's not a great idea either.  For a mini-challenge that would be fine but not an entire season of that.   14-16 is a lot of AYTO.  If they could pull off Cutthroat of RW vs RR/FM vs AYTO that could work though AYTO is still going to get destroyed.  They absolutey need Hunter and Tori to have any shot.

The smart thing to do would be to have all newer seasons representing the RW team, the earliest being Vegas 2. I think AYTO can keep up with them & it would be evenly matched.

So let's start casting poorly and limiting the cast again--that's a great idea.

That's not casting poorly though. It's actually the best thing to do as the newer seasons and younger and fresher and will be able to interact better with the AYTO. Old Schoolers cant be apart of everything.

Graphik wrote:

It sounds like to me they're still on the whole "relatable, easy to follow themes = more viewers" BS, completely neglecting the fact that NOBODY liked said theme's first season & advertising is not going to change that.On top of that if viewers can follow Bloodlines/Invasion/Dirty 30's formats, they can keep up with ANY format ****

thats hilarious considering how messy it was to follow the Invasion format. As good as that season was, that format was horribly planned throughout. Production just making one excuse after another 

It's literally the ONLY reason I can think of as to why they would make such a stupid decision to do Bloodlines 2 after the momentum Invasion/CVP/XXX have built up ****oo.

kvm1977 wrote:

Graphik wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:
Graphik wrote:Just like Old v.s. New during the Seasons 2/Rivals 2 time period, it's clearly time for RW v.s. AYTO to officially roll out the return of team Challenges but nooooo........Bloodlines 2 is clearly what everyone wants!

RW would destroy AYTO so that's not a great idea either.  For a mini-challenge that would be fine but not an entire season of that.   14-16 is a lot of AYTO.  If they could pull off Cutthroat of RW vs RR/FM vs AYTO that could work though AYTO is still going to get destroyed.  They absolutey need Hunter and Tori to have any shot.

The smart thing to do would be to have all newer seasons representing the RW team, the earliest being Vegas 2. I think AYTO can keep up with them & it would be evenly matched.

So let's start casting poorly and limiting the cast again--that's a great idea.

That's all your opinion because you don't know most of them; they have a ton of newer RW'ers who are either underutilized or haven't been at all. AYTO also has a ton of monster-sized men who, for whatever reason, haven't been used yet either along with Tori/Melanie who would carry the girls side.

Exactly.

kvm1977 wrote:

Graphik wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:
Graphik wrote:Just like Old v.s. New during the Seasons 2/Rivals 2 time period, it's clearly time for RW v.s. AYTO to officially roll out the return of team Challenges but nooooo........Bloodlines 2 is clearly what everyone wants!

RW would destroy AYTO so that's not a great idea either.  For a mini-challenge that would be fine but not an entire season of that.   14-16 is a lot of AYTO.  If they could pull off Cutthroat of RW vs RR/FM vs AYTO that could work though AYTO is still going to get destroyed.  They absolutey need Hunter and Tori to have any shot.

The smart thing to do would be to have all newer seasons representing the RW team, the earliest being Vegas 2. I think AYTO can keep up with them & it would be evenly matched.

So let's start casting poorly and limiting the cast again--that's a great idea.

That's all your opinion because you don't know most of them; they have a ton of newer RW'ers who are either underutilized or haven't been at all. AYTO also has a ton of monster-sized men who, for whatever reason, haven't been used yet either along with Tori/Melanie who would carry the girls side.

Like I've Said Queeniana, Melanie, Tori, Andrean, John, and Connor would be a killer ayto team

All eras should be included.  We all know how awful the new school era has been.  Limiting casting is exactly what started this.  Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant.  To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity.  Younger & fresher =/= better.   Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing.  Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age.  Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't.  Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.

Agree with Graphik and Debut. There's a lot of potential with the new schoolers, production just has to pick them. It's the same argument we had with the mid school era aka the JEK era. Instead of using JEK and their band full of sheeps all the time, they could have changed it up and added more Hollywood people, DC people, and the other half of the NOLA2 cast. 

But no we were presented with that trash in arguably the worst era in Challenge history.

AYTO has Nelson, Hunter, Devin for politics & then people like John, Connor, Dre (season 1), Layton, Cameron & Cam B., Morgan, Eddie, Mike Ceresani., Jaylan, Derrick (lol), now season 6 (Dimitri, Clinton & Michael D. all look like they can be good competitors), etc.

Starting from Vegas 2 (possibly with some exceptions), RW has Leroy, Zach, Robb, Trey, Marlon, Jordan, Cory, Brian, Jason, Tony, Dylan, Dean, Dione, Theo & then maybe give people like Greg, Will & Scott a shot. I think RW v.s. AYTO could go over VERY well if they do it right.

Yeah, lets run with that cast and we'll hear rumors of it being canceled again

Including old schoolers and all eras is not the same as repetitive casting

All eras should be included.  We all know how awful the new school era has been.  Limiting casting is exactly what started this.  Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant.  To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity.  Younger & fresher =/= better.   Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing.  Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age.  Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't.  Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.

you sound very ignorant. For there to be a rw vs ayto, teams would have to be evenly matched. Do u honestly think a team with CT, Bananas, Wes etc. Would lose to ayto. Just think before you say things

AYTO has Nelson, Hunter, Devin for politics & then people like John, Connor, Dre (season 1), Layton, Cameron & Cam B., Morgan, Eddie, Mike Ceresani., Jaylan, Derrick (lol), now season 6 (Dimitri, Clinton & Michael D. all look like they can be good competitors), etc.Starting from Vegas 2 (possibly with some exceptions), RW has Leroy, Zach, Robb, Trey, Marlon, Jordan, Cory, Brian, Jason, Tony, Dylan, Dean, Dione, Theo & then maybe give people like Greg, Will & Scott a shot. I think RW v.s. AYTO could go over VERY well if they do it right.

I think Malcolm could do well as well

To ber fair....3 girls and 2 guys from Hollywood were on the show.  Kimberly & Brittini were the only two that did anything.  Brianna had potential but then couldn't leave the country.  Nick was...awful.   Dave quit for some reason I still don't understand

All eras should be included.  We all know how awful the new school era has been.  Limiting casting is exactly what started this.  Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant.  To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity.  Younger & fresher =/= better.   Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing.  Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age.  Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't.  Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.

You're acting like they don't have these spinoffs up & running now. They can easily have the Oldies we all know, love & want to see back on there while the regular Challenge is running simultaneously......they can switch it up for ONE regular Challenge & let some of the newer people get some shine. It's coming to a point where they pretty much have to anyway so it'll be a start.

kvm1977 wrote:

All eras should be included.  We all know how awful the new school era has been.  Limiting casting is exactly what started this.  Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant.  To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity.  Younger & fresher =/= better.   Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing.  Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age.  Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't.  Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.

you sound very ignorant. For there to be a rw vs ayto, teams would have to be evenly matched. Do u honestly think a team with CT, Bananas, Wes etc. Would lose to ayto. Just think before you say things

So, we can't have good competitors to see AYTO do well....that's exactly my point and why AYTO vs. RW shouldn't happen.  Let's watch a bunch of losers try to finally get a win because they can't beat anyone good.   Just like Zach & Sam winning seasons.  Absolutely meaningless.

And if the AYTO kids can't beat Wes in 2017 they all suck

Agree with Graphik and Debut. There's a lot of potential with the new schoolers, production just has to pick them. It's the same argument we had with the mid school era aka the JEK era. Instead of using JEK and their band full of sheeps all the time, they could have changed it up and added more Hollywood people, DC people, and the other half of the NOLA2 cast. But no we were presented with that trash in arguably the worst era in Challenge history.

Like I'm one of THE biggest Old-School advocates on this site but even I know that clearly they're going to need to switch it up at some point. RW v.s. AYTO won't hurt at this point; the season after they can do Old School v.s New School.

kvm1977 wrote:

All eras should be included.  We all know how awful the new school era has been.  Limiting casting is exactly what started this.  Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant.  To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity.  Younger & fresher =/= better.   Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing.  Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age.  Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't.  Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.

You're acting like they don't have these spinoffs up & running now. They can easily have the Oldies we all know, love & want to see back on there while the regular Challenge is running simultaneously......they can switch it up for ONE regular Challenge & let some of the newer people get some shine. It's coming to a point where they pretty much have to anyway so it'll be a start.

How are we reaching that point?  More old schoolers want to return now than have in a very long time.  New people don't need weak casts to shine...see Tori.  They just need to perform and be relevant.   If you can't do that with a strong cast you can't carry a show without them.

rwportland2 wrote:

Agree with Graphik and Debut. There's a lot of potential with the new schoolers, production just has to pick them. It's the same argument we had with the mid school era aka the JEK era. Instead of using JEK and their band full of sheeps all the time, they could have changed it up and added more Hollywood people, DC people, and the other half of the NOLA2 cast. But no we were presented with that trash in arguably the worst era in Challenge history.

Like I'm one of THE biggest Old-School advocates on this site but even I know that clearly they're going to need to switch it up at some point. RW v.s. AYTO won't hurt at this point; the season after they can do Old School v.s New School.

How does that even make sense? 

You're definitely not one of the biggest advocates when you're saying they shouldn't even be considered for a season.  You're LIMITING casting which is the worst thing they can do--it's the exact reason themes seasons typically suck

BriLacuestaFan wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:All eras should be included.  We all know how awful the new school era has been.  Limiting casting is exactly what started this.  Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant.  To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity.  Younger & fresher =/= better.   Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing.  Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age.  Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't.  Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.

you sound very ignorant. For there to be a rw vs ayto, teams would have to be evenly matched. Do u honestly think a team with CT, Bananas, Wes etc. Would lose to ayto. Just think before you say things

So, we can't have good competitors to see AYTO do well....that's exactly my point and why AYTO vs. RW shouldn't happen.  Let's watch a bunch of losers try to finally get a win because they can't beat anyone good.   Just like Zach & Sam winning seasons.  Absolutely meaningless.And if the AYTO kids can't beat Wes in 2017 they all suck

Its called making teams even. I don't want to watch a season where the outcome is predictable. There is just no reasoning with you so I'm just going to stop. People trippin' on this site

kvm1977 wrote:

BriLacuestaFan wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:All eras should be included.  We all know how awful the new school era has been.  Limiting casting is exactly what started this.  Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant.  To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity.  Younger & fresher =/= better.   Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing.  Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age.  Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't.  Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.

you sound very ignorant. For there to be a rw vs ayto, teams would have to be evenly matched. Do u honestly think a team with CT, Bananas, Wes etc. Would lose to ayto. Just think before you say things

So, we can't have good competitors to see AYTO do well....that's exactly my point and why AYTO vs. RW shouldn't happen.  Let's watch a bunch of losers try to finally get a win because they can't beat anyone good.   Just like Zach & Sam winning seasons.  Absolutely meaningless.And if the AYTO kids can't beat Wes in 2017 they all suck

Its called making teams even. I don't want to watch a season where the outcome is predictable. There is just no reasoning with you so I'm just going to stop. People trippin' on this site

You're not using reason...you're essentially saying the new school Real Worlders and AYTOers are all weaker than Old Schoolers in their mid-to-late 30s so we should have a season with weak competition so weak competitors can finally win because you know they can't win as it stands.  We all know who the best competitors are this season...other than Tori and maybe Kailah it's all the true vets.  

Let's go back to Seasons (2012) and watch the show almost get cancelled again--that's what you guys are asking for.  A mini-challenge of AYTO vs. New School would be fine but not a real season

Graphik wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:All eras should be included.  We all know how awful the new school era has been.  Limiting casting is exactly what started this.  Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant.  To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity.  Younger & fresher =/= better.   Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing.  Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age.  Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't.  Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.

You're acting like they don't have these spinoffs up & running now. They can easily have the Oldies we all know, love & want to see back on there while the regular Challenge is running simultaneously......they can switch it up for ONE regular Challenge & let some of the newer people get some shine. It's coming to a point where they pretty much have to anyway so it'll be a start.

How are we reaching that point?  More old schoolers want to return now than have in a very long time.  New people don't need weak casts to shine...see Tori.  They just need to perform and be relevant.   If you can't do that with a strong cast you can't carry a show without them.

They're wanting to come back but they're not asking nearly enough of them to see much of a difference. Elka said she wanted to come back a while ago, Arissa,  Syrus, Ruthie,  etc. & I've been told that certain others have had to call BMP to let them know they want to come back (just like Shane had to). It's not so much that they want to come back, BMP's ********* has to want them back as well & at the moment, they seem to only want the standouts/main characters from the Golden Era (which is fine with me but still).

Have you seen Robb lately? Have you seen Connor or Dre Sinclair at ALL? There definitely won't be any slouches on either team if I had my way with casting.

Until you beat the real champions you aren't shit...see Sam & Zach

Graphik wrote:

rwportland2 wrote:Agree with Graphik and Debut. There's a lot of potential with the new schoolers, production just has to pick them. It's the same argument we had with the mid school era aka the JEK era. Instead of using JEK and their band full of sheeps all the time, they could have changed it up and added more Hollywood people, DC people, and the other half of the NOLA2 cast. But no we were presented with that trash in arguably the worst era in Challenge history.

Like I'm one of THE biggest Old-School advocates on this site but even I know that clearly they're going to need to switch it up at some point. RW v.s. AYTO won't hurt at this point; the season after they can do Old School v.s New School.

How does that even make sense? You're definitely not one of the biggest advocates when you're saying they shouldn't even be considered for a season.  You're LIMITING casting which is the worst thing they can do--it's the exact reason themes seasons typically suck

I don't understand how not ******* with Old Schoolers suddenly mean casting is limiting. You act like they don't have several pools of people to choose from. Mid School-Newer RW, Bloodlines, Fresh Meat and then of Course AYTO. This show won't be hurting without the old schoolers. In fact I'd say that save for a select few they shouldn't be bothered with at all. They're not needed for this show to be good.

kvm1977 wrote:

Graphik wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:All eras should be included.  We all know how awful the new school era has been.  Limiting casting is exactly what started this.  Notice every single old schooler that comes back is relevant.  To decide not to cast them and bring in 14-16 AYTO is pure stupidity.  Younger & fresher =/= better.   Age is completely irrelevant as we keep seeing.  Beth in her mid to late 30s brought more than most people at any age.  Thank God casting has seemed figure this out even if you haeven't.  Took them long enough after ruining the show for years.

You're acting like they don't have these spinoffs up & running now. They can easily have the Oldies we all know, love & want to see back on there while the regular Challenge is running simultaneously......they can switch it up for ONE regular Challenge & let some of the newer people get some shine. It's coming to a point where they pretty much have to anyway so it'll be a start.

How are we reaching that point?  More old schoolers want to return now than have in a very long time.  New people don't need weak casts to shine...see Tori.  They just need to perform and be relevant.   If you can't do that with a strong cast you can't carry a show without them.

They're wanting to come back but they're not asking nearly enough of them to see much of a difference. Elka said she wanted to come back a while ago, Arissa,  Syrus, Ruthie,  etc. & I've been told that certain others have had to call BMP to let them know they want to come back (just like Shane had to). It's not so much that they want to come back, BMP's ********* has to want them back as well & at the moment, they seem to only want the standouts/main characters from the Golden Era (which is fine with me but still).Have you seen Robb lately? Have you seen Connor or Dre Sinclair at ALL? There definitely won't be any slouches on either team if I had my way with casting.

Smile

You guys don't want Bloodlines 2, but AYTO vs. RW like you guys are wanting it, is essentially the same. Let's not kid ourselves here production would definitely call the same majority of core people that has been used already first and only add a handful at best to the mix.

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