BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
Agree. Lgby your data is biased at least admit that. How can you blantely say that CT has a better elimination record than Landon but not mention their wins/final performances? Are you serious? lol Landon is the best performer of the challenge, he is the most complete out of all elite players, sure CT might have had the best individual performances but he has 1 win in his career and it wasn't even individually. I know that wins alone don't count or else John would be the best ever but Landon is in fact the best.
CT always performs well in finals with the exception of Exes (he didn't pace himself). Two out of the three finals Landon won was due to him being on the superior team (with the Good Guys on the Inferno 2 and Rookies on the Gauntlet 2). CT has a bad track record with teammates, on the Inferno, Road Rules dominated Real World. On the Inferno 2, Tina and Tonya lost the final for the Bad *****. And on the Gauntlet 3, Big Easy lost the finals for the Veterans. CT is the best overall competitor to compete on the Challenge, its a statistical fact. He outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2, and has been the best competitor statistically on three seasons, the Inferno, Inferno 2, and the Duel (no one matches that stat).
You guys clearly are going by favoritism and your own personal view as opposed to what is logical, accurate and fair. CT is the GOAT, not Landon, Darrell, Bananas or Wes (who fans today usually rank #1).
BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
Agree. Lgby your data is biased at least admit that. How can you blantely say that CT has a better elimination record than Landon but not mention their wins/final performances? Are you serious? lol Landon is the best performer of the challenge, he is the most complete out of all elite players, sure CT might have had the best individual performances but he has 1 win in his career and it wasn't even individually. I know that wins alone don't count or else John would be the best ever but Landon is in fact the best. Anyway I believe that Abe is also near Elite level if not Elite, I'm still bitter that he had to be carried out in a stretcher on Cutthroat and that after that season they just brought him back to have that Cara Maria BS. That shit was cringe and hard to watch because at the time I liked them both (specially Abe) and seeing this guy who is one of the big dogs having this storyline with Cara urgh. Not to mention that he basically joined Bloodlines to help Cara win and he wasn't even gunning for 1st place. I feel that he should at least return one more time but without Cara being on the cast so he can focus on the game. Plus he hates John and like Wes , always goes against him. Abe is probably the catalyst for John's success in the franchise due to Abe leaving the island.
Abe would be elite if Cara didn't **** his head so hard. For me there are 5 elite males and order is Landom, CT, Darrell, Johnny and Alton. Tier under is crowded with people from Abe to Brad. Same for the girls side there are elite 5: Ev, Emily S, Laurel, Rachle R. and Cooke.
When did Abram perform so well??The Gauntlet 1 - he had a bunch of DQ's and never outshined anybody. Teammates were constantly talking bad about his performances and he got votes before some girls.The Inferno 1 - performed pretty averageBOTS2 - DQ's and eliminated really earlyInferno 2 - beat Brad in an elimination and did decent on missions but not amazing.
Abram was arguably the best male performer on both the Inferno 3 and Cutthroat. You're right in that Abram was average overall during his first seasons, but he improved drastically on his later seasons. And Abram was actually the third best overall male performer on the original Inferno, he outperformed the Miz overall in daily missions (but outperformed by CT and Darrell).
BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
By missions I mean finals too! And CT only "flopped" in the Exes final (because he didn't pace himelf). He's completed all of his other finals. All you fans who don't rank CT number one have the usual argument of "lack of final wins". You fail to look at overall individual performance in daily missions and elimination rounds.
If you want to talk about overall then you have to include final wins as well man. You are just being biased at least admit it. CT is 1/12 in the challenges and that is saying something. Like I said he might have had the best individual performance during the daily mission but in the end if you don't win what does it matter?
Comparing the only season (Duel 2 CT got kicked) they did together :
CT = 6 life shields, final runner-up vs Landon 4 life shields, final winner.
Now tell me who is the best. This is like someone saying that a national team that was very strong in the way to the world cup final but lost it is better than the team that actually won it lol. I rather have the player that wins when its needed and knows how to finish the job then a player that is very good but needs 12 challenges to get 1 win. But make no mistake I love CT tho but that biased stats you giving just doesn't cut it for me. Anyways its just opinions.
BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
By missions I mean finals too! And CT only "flopped" in the Exes final (because he didn't pace himelf). He's completed all of his other finals. All you fans who don't rank CT number one have the usual argument of "lack of final wins". You fail to look at overall individual performance in daily missions and elimination rounds.
If you want to talk about overall then you have to include final wins as well man. You are just being biased at least admit it. CT is 1/12 in the challenges and that is saying something. Like I said he might have had the best individual performance during the daily mission but in the end if you don't win what does it matter? Comparing the only season (Duel 2 CT got kicked) they did together :CT = 6 life shields, final runner-up vs Landon 4 life shields, final winner.Now tell me who is the best. This is like someone saying that a national team that was very strong in the way to the world cup final but lost it is better than the team that actually won it lol. I rather have the player that wins when its needed and knows how to finish the job then a player that is very good but needs 12 challenges to get 1 win. But make no mistake I love CT tho but that biased stats you giving just doesn't cut it for me. Anyways its just opinions.
Again, all you're doing is going by finals. In that case, Jamie Murray is a better competitor than Landon because he's 3 for 3 in finals, and the only male competitor in challenge history with a perfect record.
CT individual stats in daily missions and elimination rounds easily beats Landon's overall. Its a FACT that CT is the best competitor all time.
BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
Agree. Lgby your data is biased at least admit that. How can you blantely say that CT has a better elimination record than Landon but not mention their wins/final performances? Are you serious? lol Landon is the best performer of the challenge, he is the most complete out of all elite players, sure CT might have had the best individual performances but he has 1 win in his career and it wasn't even individually. I know that wins alone don't count or else John would be the best ever but Landon is in fact the best.
CT always performs well in finals with the exception of Exes (he didn't pace himself). Two out of the three finals Landon won was due to him being on the superior team (with the Good Guys on the Inferno 2 and Rookies on the Gauntlet 2). CT has a bad track record with teammates, on the Inferno, Road Rules dominated Real World. On the Inferno 2, Tina and Tonya lost the final for the Bad *****. And on the Gauntlet 3, Big Easy lost the finals for the Veterans. CT is the best overall competitor to compete on the Challenge, its a statistical fact. He outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2, and has been the best competitor statistically on three seasons, the Inferno, Inferno 2, and the Duel (no one matches that stat).You guys clearly are going by favoritism and your own personal view as opposed to what is logical, accurate and fair. CT is the GOAT, not Landon, Darrell, Bananas or Wes (who fans today usually rank #1).
So now you are excusing CT's loses to his teams? C'mon man, Landon had Carley has a partner, you think CT would've won FM2 with Carley as a partner? Giving team morale and having team spirit/working together is also part of being a great competitor in any kind of activity/sport. You are the one playing the favoritism card here lol
When did Abram perform so well??The Gauntlet 1 - he had a bunch of DQ's and never outshined anybody. Teammates were constantly talking bad about his performances and he got votes before some girls.The Inferno 1 - performed pretty averageBOTS2 - DQ's and eliminated really earlyInferno 2 - beat Brad in an elimination and did decent on missions but not amazing.
Abram was arguably the best male performer on both the Inferno 3 and Cutthroat. You're right in that Abram was average overall during his first seasons, but he improved drastically on his later seasons. And Abram was actually the third best overall male performer on the original Inferno, he outperformed the Miz overall in daily missions (but outperformed by CT and Darrell).
BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
Agree. Lgby your data is biased at least admit that. How can you blantely say that CT has a better elimination record than Landon but not mention their wins/final performances? Are you serious? lol Landon is the best performer of the challenge, he is the most complete out of all elite players, sure CT might have had the best individual performances but he has 1 win in his career and it wasn't even individually. I know that wins alone don't count or else John would be the best ever but Landon is in fact the best.
CT always performs well in finals with the exception of Exes (he didn't pace himself). Two out of the three finals Landon won was due to him being on the superior team (with the Good Guys on the Inferno 2 and Rookies on the Gauntlet 2). CT has a bad track record with teammates, on the Inferno, Road Rules dominated Real World. On the Inferno 2, Tina and Tonya lost the final for the Bad *****. And on the Gauntlet 3, Big Easy lost the finals for the Veterans. CT is the best overall competitor to compete on the Challenge, its a statistical fact. He outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2, and has been the best competitor statistically on three seasons, the Inferno, Inferno 2, and the Duel (no one matches that stat).You guys clearly are going by favoritism and your own personal view as opposed to what is logical, accurate and fair. CT is the GOAT, not Landon, Darrell, Bananas or Wes (who fans today usually rank #1).
So now you are excusing CT's loses to his teams? C'mon man, Landon had Carley has a partner, you think CT would've won FM2 with Carley as a partner? Giving team morale and having team spirit/working together is also part of being a great competitor in any kind of activity/sport. You are the one playing the favoritism card here lol
LOL! CT's loses were on his teams because on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 he was the best overall male competitor. How can you knock CT as an individual for losing on those seasons when they were team seasons! You switch Landon with CT on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 and Landon loses those seasons too! There was nothing CT could do on his own in order to beat Road Rules in the final on the Inferno, or the Good Guys in the final on the Inferno 2 or the Rookies in the final on the Gauntlet 3 with his teammates holding him back. Lastly, CT would of easily won with Carely on Fresh Meat 2, he's good with puzzles and physically stronger than Landon. You forget that Laurel performed poorly in that final and held Kenny back.
How old are you guys and what was the first season for the Challenge you saw? All I see is the same lame arguments with fans today whenever I dropped the facts( it's like I'm debating with kids).
jhl182 wrote:When did Abram perform so well??The Gauntlet 1 - he had a bunch of DQ's and never outshined anybody. Teammates were constantly talking bad about his performances and he got votes before some girls.The Inferno 1 - performed pretty averageBOTS2 - DQ's and eliminated really earlyInferno 2 - beat Brad in an elimination and did decent on missions but not amazing.
Abram was arguably the best male performer on both the Inferno 3 and Cutthroat. You're right in that Abram was average overall during his first seasons, but he improved drastically on his later seasons. And Abram was actually the third best overall male performer on the original Inferno, he outperformed the Miz overall in daily missions (but outperformed by CT and Darrell).
was Abram better on Inferno 1 or 2?
He was easily better on the Inferno 1, he outperformed the Miz overall in daily missions and was ranked third overall for the males in individual performance on that season (only CT and Darrell were better than Abram on the original Inferno).
On the Inferno 2, he was ranked fifth in individual performance for the males. He was outperformed by CT, Derrick, Landon and The Miz.
Too many great competitors, it's so hard to rank them all. But I agree with Abram that he's not elite but he's right up there. Even in Bloodlines, him doing well on that underwater mission impressed me. Cutthroat and Inferno 3 were def his best showings. I'd also put Brad, Wes, and Frank S in that tier (along with others who I'm prob forgetting). I wish more new school kids could be placed in this argument instead of just Frank S and debatably Jordan. But even then Frank edges out Jordan slightly bc he is more intelligent but they're both bad with their emotions/pride
Too many great competitors, it's so hard to rank them all. But I agree with Abram that he's not elite but he's right up there. Even in Bloodlines, him doing well on that underwater mission impressed me. Cutthroat and Inferno 3 were def his best showings. I'd also put Brad, Wes, and Frank S in that tier (along with others who I'm prob forgetting). I wish more new school kids could be placed in this argument instead of just Frank S and debatably Jordan. But even then Frank edges out Jordan slightly bc he is more intelligent but they're both bad with their emotions/pride
Frank Sweeney is nowhere near those guys. Needs more work in individual performance.
Honestly, the only "elite" competitors in the history of The Challenge are CT, Theo Von, Landon, Dan Setzler and Mark. Guys like Evan, Derrick, The Miz, Abram, Brad, Alton, Darrell, Bananas and Wes are borderline for the simple fact that they either lack consistency in performance, or unable to pull off impressive feats of athleticism, physical strength or skill (performing at a very high level).
BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
Agree. Lgby your data is biased at least admit that. How can you blantely say that CT has a better elimination record than Landon but not mention their wins/final performances? Are you serious? lol Landon is the best performer of the challenge, he is the most complete out of all elite players, sure CT might have had the best individual performances but he has 1 win in his career and it wasn't even individually. I know that wins alone don't count or else John would be the best ever but Landon is in fact the best.
CT always performs well in finals with the exception of Exes (he didn't pace himself). Two out of the three finals Landon won was due to him being on the superior team (with the Good Guys on the Inferno 2 and Rookies on the Gauntlet 2). CT has a bad track record with teammates, on the Inferno, Road Rules dominated Real World. On the Inferno 2, Tina and Tonya lost the final for the Bad *****. And on the Gauntlet 3, Big Easy lost the finals for the Veterans. CT is the best overall competitor to compete on the Challenge, its a statistical fact. He outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2, and has been the best competitor statistically on three seasons, the Inferno, Inferno 2, and the Duel (no one matches that stat).You guys clearly are going by favoritism and your own personal view as opposed to what is logical, accurate and fair. CT is the GOAT, not Landon, Darrell, Bananas or Wes (who fans today usually rank #1).
So now you are excusing CT's loses to his teams? C'mon man, Landon had Carley has a partner, you think CT would've won FM2 with Carley as a partner? Giving team morale and having team spirit/working together is also part of being a great competitor in any kind of activity/sport. You are the one playing the favoritism card here lol
LOL! CT's loses were on his teams because on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 he was the best overall male competitor. How can you knock CT as an individual for losing on those seasons when they were team seasons! You switch Landon with CT on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 and Landon loses those seasons too! There was nothing CT could do on his own in order to beat Road Rules in the final on the Inferno, or the Good Guys in the final on the Inferno 2 or the Rookies in the final on the Gauntlet 3 with his teammates holding him back. Lastly, CT would of easily won with Carely on Fresh Meat 2, he's good with puzzles, and physically stronger than Landon. You forget that Laurel performed poorly in that final and held Kenny back.How old are you guys and what was the first season for the Challenge you saw? All I see is the same lame arguments with fans today whenever I dropped the facts( it's like I'm debating with kids).
I love how you switch from facts to suppositions but thats fine. I understand its like talking to a wall. Okay fine you want to excuse CT not winning because it was a team challenge thats fine, I understand and yes it wasn't entirely is fault either, anyways lets go to individual challenges then, if he is such a GOAT like u said how many individual challenges has he won until now? Duel 1? oh yeah Evan smoked him and had a better performance then him. Duel 2? Kicked from fighting, Evan again smoked that challenge, Free Agents? 4 missions won in team lost in a puzzle. (i tried to change my arguments) but oh well. I doubt he would've won it with Carley either but that is just speculation.
BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
Agree. Lgby your data is biased at least admit that. How can you blantely say that CT has a better elimination record than Landon but not mention their wins/final performances? Are you serious? lol Landon is the best performer of the challenge, he is the most complete out of all elite players, sure CT might have had the best individual performances but he has 1 win in his career and it wasn't even individually. I know that wins alone don't count or else John would be the best ever but Landon is in fact the best.
CT always performs well in finals with the exception of Exes (he didn't pace himself). Two out of the three finals Landon won was due to him being on the superior team (with the Good Guys on the Inferno 2 and Rookies on the Gauntlet 2). CT has a bad track record with teammates, on the Inferno, Road Rules dominated Real World. On the Inferno 2, Tina and Tonya lost the final for the Bad *****. And on the Gauntlet 3, Big Easy lost the finals for the Veterans. CT is the best overall competitor to compete on the Challenge, its a statistical fact. He outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2, and has been the best competitor statistically on three seasons, the Inferno, Inferno 2, and the Duel (no one matches that stat).You guys clearly are going by favoritism and your own personal view as opposed to what is logical, accurate and fair. CT is the GOAT, not Landon, Darrell, Bananas or Wes (who fans today usually rank #1).
So now you are excusing CT's loses to his teams? C'mon man, Landon had Carley has a partner, you think CT would've won FM2 with Carley as a partner? Giving team morale and having team spirit/working together is also part of being a great competitor in any kind of activity/sport. You are the one playing the favoritism card here lol
LOL! CT's loses were on his teams because on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 he was the best overall male competitor. How can you knock CT as an individual for losing on those seasons when they were team seasons! You switch Landon with CT on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 and Landon loses those seasons too! There was nothing CT could do on his own in order to beat Road Rules in the final on the Inferno, or the Good Guys in the final on the Inferno 2 or the Rookies in the final on the Gauntlet 3 with his teammates holding him back. Lastly, CT would of easily won with Carely on Fresh Meat 2, he's good with puzzles, and physically stronger than Landon. You forget that Laurel performed poorly in that final and held Kenny back.How old are you guys and what was the first season for the Challenge you saw? All I see is the same lame arguments with fans today whenever I dropped the facts( it's like I'm debating with kids).
I love how you switch from facts to suppositions but thats fine. I understand its like talking to a wall. Okay fine you want to excuse CT not winning because it was a team challenge thats fine, I understand and yes it wasn't entirely is fault either, anyways lets go to individual challenges then, if he is such a GOAT like u said how many individual challenges has he won until now? Duel 1? oh yeah Evan smoked him and had a better performance then him. Duel 2? Kicked from fighting, Evan again smoked that challenge, Free Agents? 4 missions won in team lost in a puzzle. (i tried to change my arguments) but oh well. I doubt he would've won it with Carley either but that is just speculation.
LOL! CT was a better individual performer than Evan on the Duel and eliminated Evan (in embarrassing fashion too considering Evan attempted to cheat and CT was being cocky as if he would win for sure which he indeed did). On Free Agents, CT gave his worst overall performance ever and lost fair and square to Bananas in the puzzle but that's only one season. CT was the main reason him and Wes on Rivals 2 because he solved the puzzles. Again, if you're going to by only by finals, than Jamie Murray is a better competitor than Landon all time since he's perfect (3 for 3). You're an amateur and don't have any understanding of how to rank competitors accurately and fairly.
BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
Agree. Lgby your data is biased at least admit that. How can you blantely say that CT has a better elimination record than Landon but not mention their wins/final performances? Are you serious? lol Landon is the best performer of the challenge, he is the most complete out of all elite players, sure CT might have had the best individual performances but he has 1 win in his career and it wasn't even individually. I know that wins alone don't count or else John would be the best ever but Landon is in fact the best.
CT always performs well in finals with the exception of Exes (he didn't pace himself). Two out of the three finals Landon won was due to him being on the superior team (with the Good Guys on the Inferno 2 and Rookies on the Gauntlet 2). CT has a bad track record with teammates, on the Inferno, Road Rules dominated Real World. On the Inferno 2, Tina and Tonya lost the final for the Bad *****. And on the Gauntlet 3, Big Easy lost the finals for the Veterans. CT is the best overall competitor to compete on the Challenge, its a statistical fact. He outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2, and has been the best competitor statistically on three seasons, the Inferno, Inferno 2, and the Duel (no one matches that stat).You guys clearly are going by favoritism and your own personal view as opposed to what is logical, accurate and fair. CT is the GOAT, not Landon, Darrell, Bananas or Wes (who fans today usually rank #1).
So now you are excusing CT's loses to his teams? C'mon man, Landon had Carley has a partner, you think CT would've won FM2 with Carley as a partner? Giving team morale and having team spirit/working together is also part of being a great competitor in any kind of activity/sport. You are the one playing the favoritism card here lol
LOL! CT's loses were on his teams because on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 he was the best overall male competitor. How can you knock CT as an individual for losing on those seasons when they were team seasons! You switch Landon with CT on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 and Landon loses those seasons too! There was nothing CT could do on his own in order to beat Road Rules in the final on the Inferno, or the Good Guys in the final on the Inferno 2 or the Rookies in the final on the Gauntlet 3 with his teammates holding him back. Lastly, CT would of easily won with Carely on Fresh Meat 2, he's good with puzzles, and physically stronger than Landon. You forget that Laurel performed poorly in that final and held Kenny back.How old are you guys and what was the first season for the Challenge you saw? All I see is the same lame arguments with fans today whenever I dropped the facts( it's like I'm debating with kids).
I love how you switch from facts to suppositions but thats fine. I understand its like talking to a wall. Okay fine you want to excuse CT not winning because it was a team challenge thats fine, I understand and yes it wasn't entirely is fault either, anyways lets go to individual challenges then, if he is such a GOAT like u said how many individual challenges has he won until now? Duel 1? oh yeah Evan smoked him and had a better performance then him. Duel 2? Kicked from fighting, Evan again smoked that challenge, Free Agents? 4 missions won in team lost in a puzzle. (i tried to change my arguments) but oh well. I doubt he would've won it with Carley either but that is just speculation.
LOL! CT was a better individual performer than Evan on the Duel and eliminated Evan (in embarrassing fashion too considering Evan attempted to cheat and CT was being cocky as if he would win for sure which he indeed did). On Free Agents, CT gave his worst overall performance ever and lost fair and square to Bananas in the puzzle but that's only one season. CT was the main reason him and Wes on Rivals 2 because he solved the puzzles. Again, if you're going to by only by finals, than Jamie Murray is a better competitor than Landon all time since he's perfect (3 for 3). You're an amateur and don't have any understanding of how to rank competitors accurately and fairly.
Of course I'm an amateur you moron I never said I was a specialist, this is a forum and me like everybody else is stating their opinion lol. How can you say CT outperformed Evan on Duel 1 when Evan has more daily mission wins? You are always contradicting yourself and bending the facts in order to favour you. I'm not just stating finals but you keep saying I'm only stating finals, you are a broken record and to be honest I wont even dignify to continue this. I was treating this as a fun debate but you had to start acting all might snob-like calling me things (jokes on me cuz i called you a moron now) but no prob I won't sweat it because of a virtual forumer with biased facts trying to act smart.
BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
Agree. Lgby your data is biased at least admit that. How can you blantely say that CT has a better elimination record than Landon but not mention their wins/final performances? Are you serious? lol Landon is the best performer of the challenge, he is the most complete out of all elite players, sure CT might have had the best individual performances but he has 1 win in his career and it wasn't even individually. I know that wins alone don't count or else John would be the best ever but Landon is in fact the best.
CT always performs well in finals with the exception of Exes (he didn't pace himself). Two out of the three finals Landon won was due to him being on the superior team (with the Good Guys on the Inferno 2 and Rookies on the Gauntlet 2). CT has a bad track record with teammates, on the Inferno, Road Rules dominated Real World. On the Inferno 2, Tina and Tonya lost the final for the Bad *****. And on the Gauntlet 3, Big Easy lost the finals for the Veterans. CT is the best overall competitor to compete on the Challenge, its a statistical fact. He outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2, and has been the best competitor statistically on three seasons, the Inferno, Inferno 2, and the Duel (no one matches that stat).You guys clearly are going by favoritism and your own personal view as opposed to what is logical, accurate and fair. CT is the GOAT, not Landon, Darrell, Bananas or Wes (who fans today usually rank #1).
So now you are excusing CT's loses to his teams? C'mon man, Landon had Carley has a partner, you think CT would've won FM2 with Carley as a partner? Giving team morale and having team spirit/working together is also part of being a great competitor in any kind of activity/sport. You are the one playing the favoritism card here lol
LOL! CT's loses were on his teams because on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 he was the best overall male competitor. How can you knock CT as an individual for losing on those seasons when they were team seasons! You switch Landon with CT on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 and Landon loses those seasons too! There was nothing CT could do on his own in order to beat Road Rules in the final on the Inferno, or the Good Guys in the final on the Inferno 2 or the Rookies in the final on the Gauntlet 3 with his teammates holding him back. Lastly, CT would of easily won with Carely on Fresh Meat 2, he's good with puzzles, and physically stronger than Landon. You forget that Laurel performed poorly in that final and held Kenny back.How old are you guys and what was the first season for the Challenge you saw? All I see is the same lame arguments with fans today whenever I dropped the facts( it's like I'm debating with kids).
I love how you switch from facts to suppositions but thats fine. I understand its like talking to a wall. Okay fine you want to excuse CT not winning because it was a team challenge thats fine, I understand and yes it wasn't entirely is fault either, anyways lets go to individual challenges then, if he is such a GOAT like u said how many individual challenges has he won until now? Duel 1? oh yeah Evan smoked him and had a better performance then him. Duel 2? Kicked from fighting, Evan again smoked that challenge, Free Agents? 4 missions won in team lost in a puzzle. (i tried to change my arguments) but oh well. I doubt he would've won it with Carley either but that is just speculation.
LOL! CT was a better individual performer than Evan on the Duel and eliminated Evan (in embarrassing fashion too considering Evan attempted to cheat and CT was being cocky as if he would win for sure which he indeed did). On Free Agents, CT gave his worst overall performance ever and lost fair and square to Bananas in the puzzle but that's only one season. CT was the main reason him and Wes on Rivals 2 because he solved the puzzles. Again, if you're going to by only by finals, than Jamie Murray is a better competitor than Landon all time since he's perfect (3 for 3). You're an amateur and don't have any understanding of how to rank competitors accurately and fairly.
Of course I'm an amateur you moron, this is a forum and me like everybody else is stating their opinion lol. How can you say CT outperformed Evan on Duel 1 when Evan has more daily mission wins? You are always contradicting yourself and bending the facts in order to favour you. I'm not just stating finals but you keep saying I'm only stating finals, you are a broken record and to be honest I wont even dignify to continue this. I was treating this as a fun debate but you had to start acting all might snob-like calling me things but no prob I won't sweat it because of a virtual forumer with biased facts trying to act smart.
Evan won more daily missions because of the pair missions idiot (Evan had better female partners)! In individual based mission performance, they were neck and neck (due to CT's DQ) but CT eliminated Evan making him the best individual male competitor on that season. And anyone with a brain can see that I have the stronger and more logical arguments, you're simply not smart enough to understand I'm correct (or haven't shown to be as of yet).
BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
Agree. Lgby your data is biased at least admit that. How can you blantely say that CT has a better elimination record than Landon but not mention their wins/final performances? Are you serious? lol Landon is the best performer of the challenge, he is the most complete out of all elite players, sure CT might have had the best individual performances but he has 1 win in his career and it wasn't even individually. I know that wins alone don't count or else John would be the best ever but Landon is in fact the best.
CT always performs well in finals with the exception of Exes (he didn't pace himself). Two out of the three finals Landon won was due to him being on the superior team (with the Good Guys on the Inferno 2 and Rookies on the Gauntlet 2). CT has a bad track record with teammates, on the Inferno, Road Rules dominated Real World. On the Inferno 2, Tina and Tonya lost the final for the Bad *****. And on the Gauntlet 3, Big Easy lost the finals for the Veterans. CT is the best overall competitor to compete on the Challenge, its a statistical fact. He outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2, and has been the best competitor statistically on three seasons, the Inferno, Inferno 2, and the Duel (no one matches that stat).You guys clearly are going by favoritism and your own personal view as opposed to what is logical, accurate and fair. CT is the GOAT, not Landon, Darrell, Bananas or Wes (who fans today usually rank #1).
So now you are excusing CT's loses to his teams? C'mon man, Landon had Carley has a partner, you think CT would've won FM2 with Carley as a partner? Giving team morale and having team spirit/working together is also part of being a great competitor in any kind of activity/sport. You are the one playing the favoritism card here lol
LOL! CT's loses were on his teams because on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 he was the best overall male competitor. How can you knock CT as an individual for losing on those seasons when they were team seasons! You switch Landon with CT on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 and Landon loses those seasons too! There was nothing CT could do on his own in order to beat Road Rules in the final on the Inferno, or the Good Guys in the final on the Inferno 2 or the Rookies in the final on the Gauntlet 3 with his teammates holding him back. Lastly, CT would of easily won with Carely on Fresh Meat 2, he's good with puzzles, and physically stronger than Landon. You forget that Laurel performed poorly in that final and held Kenny back.How old are you guys and what was the first season for the Challenge you saw? All I see is the same lame arguments with fans today whenever I dropped the facts( it's like I'm debating with kids).
I love how you switch from facts to suppositions but thats fine. I understand its like talking to a wall. Okay fine you want to excuse CT not winning because it was a team challenge thats fine, I understand and yes it wasn't entirely is fault either, anyways lets go to individual challenges then, if he is such a GOAT like u said how many individual challenges has he won until now? Duel 1? oh yeah Evan smoked him and had a better performance then him. Duel 2? Kicked from fighting, Evan again smoked that challenge, Free Agents? 4 missions won in team lost in a puzzle. (i tried to change my arguments) but oh well. I doubt he would've won it with Carley either but that is just speculation.
LOL! CT was a better individual performer than Evan on the Duel and eliminated Evan (in embarrassing fashion too considering Evan attempted to cheat and CT was being cocky as if he would win for sure which he indeed did). On Free Agents, CT gave his worst overall performance ever and lost fair and square to Bananas in the puzzle but that's only one season. CT was the main reason him and Wes on Rivals 2 because he solved the puzzles. Again, if you're going to by only by finals, than Jamie Murray is a better competitor than Landon all time since he's perfect (3 for 3). You're an amateur and don't have any understanding of how to rank competitors accurately and fairly.
Of course I'm an amateur you moron, this is a forum and me like everybody else is stating their opinion lol. How can you say CT outperformed Evan on Duel 1 when Evan has more daily mission wins? You are always contradicting yourself and bending the facts in order to favour you. I'm not just stating finals but you keep saying I'm only stating finals, you are a broken record and to be honest I wont even dignify to continue this. I was treating this as a fun debate but you had to start acting all might snob-like calling me things but no prob I won't sweat it because of a virtual forumer with biased facts trying to act smart.
Evan won more daily missions because of the pair missions idiot (Evan had better female partners)! In individual based mission performance, they were neck and neck (due to CT's DQ) but CT eliminated Evan making him the best individual male competitor on that season.
There is always an excuse lmao.What's next? CT didn't won because it was the format's fault? **** outta here man. Whatever you are no fun at all. You have no variety in your arguments and always use the same ones over and over again, I gave you plenty of different arguments but your refutal was just lame and always using one sided excuses.
Too many great competitors, it's so hard to rank them all. But I agree with Abram that he's not elite but he's right up there. Even in Bloodlines, him doing well on that underwater mission impressed me. Cutthroat and Inferno 3 were def his best showings. I'd also put Brad, Wes, and Frank S in that tier (along with others who I'm prob forgetting). I wish more new school kids could be placed in this argument instead of just Frank S and debatably Jordan. But even then Frank edges out Jordan slightly bc he is more intelligent but they're both bad with their emotions/pride
Frank Sweeney is nowhere near those guys. Needs more work in individual performance.
Frank was argubably the best male performer on Rivals 2 along with CT.
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CT always performs well in finals with the exception of Exes (he didn't pace himself). Two out of the three finals Landon won was due to him being on the superior team (with the Good Guys on the Inferno 2 and Rookies on the Gauntlet 2). CT has a bad track record with teammates, on the Inferno, Road Rules dominated Real World. On the Inferno 2, Tina and Tonya lost the final for the Bad *****. And on the Gauntlet 3, Big Easy lost the finals for the Veterans. CT is the best overall competitor to compete on the Challenge, its a statistical fact. He outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2, and has been the best competitor statistically on three seasons, the Inferno, Inferno 2, and the Duel (no one matches that stat).
You guys clearly are going by favoritism and your own personal view as opposed to what is logical, accurate and fair. CT is the GOAT, not Landon, Darrell, Bananas or Wes (who fans today usually rank #1).
Abe would be elite if Cara didn't **** his head so hard. For me there are 5 elite males and order is Landom, CT, Darrell, Johnny and Alton. Tier under is crowded with people from Abe to Brad. Same for the girls side there are elite 5: Ev, Emily S, Laurel, Rachle R. and Cooke.
Abram was arguably the best male performer on both the Inferno 3 and Cutthroat. You're right in that Abram was average overall during his first seasons, but he improved drastically on his later seasons. And Abram was actually the third best overall male performer on the original Inferno, he outperformed the Miz overall in daily missions (but outperformed by CT and Darrell).
If you want to talk about overall then you have to include final wins as well man. You are just being biased at least admit it. CT is 1/12 in the challenges and that is saying something. Like I said he might have had the best individual performance during the daily mission but in the end if you don't win what does it matter?
Comparing the only season (Duel 2 CT got kicked) they did together :
CT = 6 life shields, final runner-up vs Landon 4 life shields, final winner.
Now tell me who is the best. This is like someone saying that a national team that was very strong in the way to the world cup final but lost it is better than the team that actually won it lol. I rather have the player that wins when its needed and knows how to finish the job then a player that is very good but needs 12 challenges to get 1 win. But make no mistake I love CT tho but that biased stats you giving just doesn't cut it for me. Anyways its just opinions.
Again, all you're doing is going by finals. In that case, Jamie Murray is a better competitor than Landon because he's 3 for 3 in finals, and the only male competitor in challenge history with a perfect record.
CT individual stats in daily missions and elimination rounds easily beats Landon's overall. Its a FACT that CT is the best competitor all time.
So now you are excusing CT's loses to his teams? C'mon man, Landon had Carley has a partner, you think CT would've won FM2 with Carley as a partner? Giving team morale and having team spirit/working together is also part of being a great competitor in any kind of activity/sport. You are the one playing the favoritism card here lol
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was Abram better on Inferno 1 or 2?
****! I Low-Key thought the woman in the back was Sarah lol.
LOL! CT's loses were on his teams because on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 he was the best overall male competitor. How can you knock CT as an individual for losing on those seasons when they were team seasons! You switch Landon with CT on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 and Landon loses those seasons too! There was nothing CT could do on his own in order to beat Road Rules in the final on the Inferno, or the Good Guys in the final on the Inferno 2 or the Rookies in the final on the Gauntlet 3 with his teammates holding him back. Lastly, CT would of easily won with Carely on Fresh Meat 2, he's good with puzzles and physically stronger than Landon. You forget that Laurel performed poorly in that final and held Kenny back.
How old are you guys and what was the first season for the Challenge you saw? All I see is the same lame arguments with fans today whenever I dropped the facts( it's like I'm debating with kids).
He was easily better on the Inferno 1, he outperformed the Miz overall in daily missions and was ranked third overall for the males in individual performance on that season (only CT and Darrell were better than Abram on the original Inferno).
On the Inferno 2, he was ranked fifth in individual performance for the males. He was outperformed by CT, Derrick, Landon and The Miz.
Too many great competitors, it's so hard to rank them all. But I agree with Abram that he's not elite but he's right up there. Even in Bloodlines, him doing well on that underwater mission impressed me. Cutthroat and Inferno 3 were def his best showings. I'd also put Brad, Wes, and Frank S in that tier (along with others who I'm prob forgetting). I wish more new school kids could be placed in this argument instead of just Frank S and debatably Jordan. But even then Frank edges out Jordan slightly bc he is more intelligent but they're both bad with their emotions/pride
Frank Sweeney is nowhere near those guys. Needs more work in individual performance.
Honestly, the only "elite" competitors in the history of The Challenge are CT, Theo Von, Landon, Dan Setzler and Mark. Guys like Evan, Derrick, The Miz, Abram, Brad, Alton, Darrell, Bananas and Wes are borderline for the simple fact that they either lack consistency in performance, or unable to pull off impressive feats of athleticism, physical strength or skill (performing at a very high level).
I love how you switch from facts to suppositions but thats fine. I understand its like talking to a wall. Okay fine you want to excuse CT not winning because it was a team challenge thats fine, I understand and yes it wasn't entirely is fault either, anyways lets go to individual challenges then, if he is such a GOAT like u said how many individual challenges has he won until now? Duel 1? oh yeah Evan smoked him and had a better performance then him. Duel 2? Kicked from fighting, Evan again smoked that challenge, Free Agents? 4 missions won in team lost in a puzzle. (i tried to change my arguments) but oh well. I doubt he would've won it with Carley either but that is just speculation.
LOL! CT was a better individual performer than Evan on the Duel and eliminated Evan (in embarrassing fashion too considering Evan attempted to cheat and CT was being cocky as if he would win for sure which he indeed did). On Free Agents, CT gave his worst overall performance ever and lost fair and square to Bananas in the puzzle but that's only one season. CT was the main reason him and Wes on Rivals 2 because he solved the puzzles. Again, if you're going to by only by finals, than Jamie Murray is a better competitor than Landon all time since he's perfect (3 for 3). You're an amateur and don't have any understanding of how to rank competitors accurately and fairly.
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Of course I'm an amateur you moron I never said I was a specialist, this is a forum and me like everybody else is stating their opinion lol. How can you say CT outperformed Evan on Duel 1 when Evan has more daily mission wins? You are always contradicting yourself and bending the facts in order to favour you. I'm not just stating finals but you keep saying I'm only stating finals, you are a broken record and to be honest I wont even dignify to continue this. I was treating this as a fun debate but you had to start acting all might snob-like calling me things (jokes on me cuz i called you a moron now) but no prob I won't sweat it because of a virtual forumer with biased facts trying to act smart.
Evan won more daily missions because of the pair missions idiot (Evan had better female partners)! In individual based mission performance, they were neck and neck (due to CT's DQ) but CT eliminated Evan making him the best individual male competitor on that season. And anyone with a brain can see that I have the stronger and more logical arguments, you're simply not smart enough to understand I'm correct (or haven't shown to be as of yet).
There is always an excuse lmao.What's next? CT didn't won because it was the format's fault? **** outta here man. Whatever you are no fun at all. You have no variety in your arguments and always use the same ones over and over again, I gave you plenty of different arguments but your refutal was just lame and always using one sided excuses.
Frank was argubably the best male performer on Rivals 2 along with CT.
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