imallergic wrote:Too many great competitors, it's so hard to rank them all. But I agree with Abram that he's not elite but he's right up there. Even in Bloodlines, him doing well on that underwater mission impressed me. Cutthroat and Inferno 3 were def his best showings. I'd also put Brad, Wes, and Frank S in that tier (along with others who I'm prob forgetting). I wish more new school kids could be placed in this argument instead of just Frank S and debatably Jordan. But even then Frank edges out Jordan slightly bc he is more intelligent but they're both bad with their emotions/pride
Frank Sweeney is nowhere near those guys. Needs more work in individual performance.
Frank was argubably the best male performer on Rivals 2 along with CT.
That's not saying much though. Bananas gave possibly his worst performance ever on that season, Wes downgraded as a competitor long before that season and all of the other males weren't notable names.
BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
Agree. Lgby your data is biased at least admit that. How can you blantely say that CT has a better elimination record than Landon but not mention their wins/final performances? Are you serious? lol Landon is the best performer of the challenge, he is the most complete out of all elite players, sure CT might have had the best individual performances but he has 1 win in his career and it wasn't even individually. I know that wins alone don't count or else John would be the best ever but Landon is in fact the best.
CT always performs well in finals with the exception of Exes (he didn't pace himself). Two out of the three finals Landon won was due to him being on the superior team (with the Good Guys on the Inferno 2 and Rookies on the Gauntlet 2). CT has a bad track record with teammates, on the Inferno, Road Rules dominated Real World. On the Inferno 2, Tina and Tonya lost the final for the Bad *****. And on the Gauntlet 3, Big Easy lost the finals for the Veterans. CT is the best overall competitor to compete on the Challenge, its a statistical fact. He outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2, and has been the best competitor statistically on three seasons, the Inferno, Inferno 2, and the Duel (no one matches that stat).You guys clearly are going by favoritism and your own personal view as opposed to what is logical, accurate and fair. CT is the GOAT, not Landon, Darrell, Bananas or Wes (who fans today usually rank #1).
So now you are excusing CT's loses to his teams? C'mon man, Landon had Carley has a partner, you think CT would've won FM2 with Carley as a partner? Giving team morale and having team spirit/working together is also part of being a great competitor in any kind of activity/sport. You are the one playing the favoritism card here lol
LOL! CT's loses were on his teams because on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 he was the best overall male competitor. How can you knock CT as an individual for losing on those seasons when they were team seasons! You switch Landon with CT on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 and Landon loses those seasons too! There was nothing CT could do on his own in order to beat Road Rules in the final on the Inferno, or the Good Guys in the final on the Inferno 2 or the Rookies in the final on the Gauntlet 3 with his teammates holding him back. Lastly, CT would of easily won with Carely on Fresh Meat 2, he's good with puzzles, and physically stronger than Landon. You forget that Laurel performed poorly in that final and held Kenny back.How old are you guys and what was the first season for the Challenge you saw? All I see is the same lame arguments with fans today whenever I dropped the facts( it's like I'm debating with kids).
I love how you switch from facts to suppositions but thats fine. I understand its like talking to a wall. Okay fine you want to excuse CT not winning because it was a team challenge thats fine, I understand and yes it wasn't entirely is fault either, anyways lets go to individual challenges then, if he is such a GOAT like u said how many individual challenges has he won until now? Duel 1? oh yeah Evan smoked him and had a better performance then him. Duel 2? Kicked from fighting, Evan again smoked that challenge, Free Agents? 4 missions won in team lost in a puzzle. (i tried to change my arguments) but oh well. I doubt he would've won it with Carley either but that is just speculation.
LOL! CT was a better individual performer than Evan on the Duel and eliminated Evan (in embarrassing fashion too considering Evan attempted to cheat and CT was being cocky as if he would win for sure which he indeed did). On Free Agents, CT gave his worst overall performance ever and lost fair and square to Bananas in the puzzle but that's only one season. CT was the main reason him and Wes on Rivals 2 because he solved the puzzles. Again, if you're going to by only by finals, than Jamie Murray is a better competitor than Landon all time since he's perfect (3 for 3). You're an amateur and don't have any understanding of how to rank competitors accurately and fairly.
Of course I'm an amateur you moron, this is a forum and me like everybody else is stating their opinion lol. How can you say CT outperformed Evan on Duel 1 when Evan has more daily mission wins? You are always contradicting yourself and bending the facts in order to favour you. I'm not just stating finals but you keep saying I'm only stating finals, you are a broken record and to be honest I wont even dignify to continue this. I was treating this as a fun debate but you had to start acting all might snob-like calling me things but no prob I won't sweat it because of a virtual forumer with biased facts trying to act smart.
Evan won more daily missions because of the pair missions idiot (Evan had better female partners)! In individual based mission performance, they were neck and neck (due to CT's DQ) but CT eliminated Evan making him the best individual male competitor on that season.
There is always an excuse lmao.What's next? CT didn't won because it was the format's fault? **** outta here man. Whatever you are no fun at all. You have no variety in your arguments and always use the same ones over and over again, I gave you plenty of different arguments but your refutal was just lame and always using one sided excuses.
You're too dumb and ignorant for me to debate with. Next contestant please.
BabyGOAT wrote:Seeing some of these top fives, what are people's criteria for elite here?
Mines is based off individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The only things that matter when ranking competitors.
How convenient that you completely disregard the final. You know, the part of the challenge where people win the most money, work the hardest, and that your fave CT has flopped at in the past. Give me a break.
Agree. Lgby your data is biased at least admit that. How can you blantely say that CT has a better elimination record than Landon but not mention their wins/final performances? Are you serious? lol Landon is the best performer of the challenge, he is the most complete out of all elite players, sure CT might have had the best individual performances but he has 1 win in his career and it wasn't even individually. I know that wins alone don't count or else John would be the best ever but Landon is in fact the best.
CT always performs well in finals with the exception of Exes (he didn't pace himself). Two out of the three finals Landon won was due to him being on the superior team (with the Good Guys on the Inferno 2 and Rookies on the Gauntlet 2). CT has a bad track record with teammates, on the Inferno, Road Rules dominated Real World. On the Inferno 2, Tina and Tonya lost the final for the Bad *****. And on the Gauntlet 3, Big Easy lost the finals for the Veterans. CT is the best overall competitor to compete on the Challenge, its a statistical fact. He outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2, and has been the best competitor statistically on three seasons, the Inferno, Inferno 2, and the Duel (no one matches that stat).You guys clearly are going by favoritism and your own personal view as opposed to what is logical, accurate and fair. CT is the GOAT, not Landon, Darrell, Bananas or Wes (who fans today usually rank #1).
So now you are excusing CT's loses to his teams? C'mon man, Landon had Carley has a partner, you think CT would've won FM2 with Carley as a partner? Giving team morale and having team spirit/working together is also part of being a great competitor in any kind of activity/sport. You are the one playing the favoritism card here lol
LOL! CT's loses were on his teams because on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 he was the best overall male competitor. How can you knock CT as an individual for losing on those seasons when they were team seasons! You switch Landon with CT on the Inferno, Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 3 and Landon loses those seasons too! There was nothing CT could do on his own in order to beat Road Rules in the final on the Inferno, or the Good Guys in the final on the Inferno 2 or the Rookies in the final on the Gauntlet 3 with his teammates holding him back. Lastly, CT would of easily won with Carely on Fresh Meat 2, he's good with puzzles, and physically stronger than Landon. You forget that Laurel performed poorly in that final and held Kenny back.How old are you guys and what was the first season for the Challenge you saw? All I see is the same lame arguments with fans today whenever I dropped the facts( it's like I'm debating with kids).
I love how you switch from facts to suppositions but thats fine. I understand its like talking to a wall. Okay fine you want to excuse CT not winning because it was a team challenge thats fine, I understand and yes it wasn't entirely is fault either, anyways lets go to individual challenges then, if he is such a GOAT like u said how many individual challenges has he won until now? Duel 1? oh yeah Evan smoked him and had a better performance then him. Duel 2? Kicked from fighting, Evan again smoked that challenge, Free Agents? 4 missions won in team lost in a puzzle. (i tried to change my arguments) but oh well. I doubt he would've won it with Carley either but that is just speculation.
LOL! CT was a better individual performer than Evan on the Duel and eliminated Evan (in embarrassing fashion too considering Evan attempted to cheat and CT was being cocky as if he would win for sure which he indeed did). On Free Agents, CT gave his worst overall performance ever and lost fair and square to Bananas in the puzzle but that's only one season. CT was the main reason him and Wes on Rivals 2 because he solved the puzzles. Again, if you're going to by only by finals, than Jamie Murray is a better competitor than Landon all time since he's perfect (3 for 3). You're an amateur and don't have any understanding of how to rank competitors accurately and fairly.
Of course I'm an amateur you moron, this is a forum and me like everybody else is stating their opinion lol. How can you say CT outperformed Evan on Duel 1 when Evan has more daily mission wins? You are always contradicting yourself and bending the facts in order to favour you. I'm not just stating finals but you keep saying I'm only stating finals, you are a broken record and to be honest I wont even dignify to continue this. I was treating this as a fun debate but you had to start acting all might snob-like calling me things but no prob I won't sweat it because of a virtual forumer with biased facts trying to act smart.
Evan won more daily missions because of the pair missions idiot (Evan had better female partners)! In individual based mission performance, they were neck and neck (due to CT's DQ) but CT eliminated Evan making him the best individual male competitor on that season.
There is always an excuse ****.What's next? CT didn't won because it was the format's fault? **** outta here man. Whatever you are no fun at all. You have no variety in your arguments and always use the same ones over and over again, I gave you plenty of different arguments but your refutal was just lame and always using one sided excuses.
You're too dumb and ignorant for me to debate with. Next contestant please.
No more arguments, resorts to insults ****. Okay mate.
Edit: Ibis was another victim of the JEK "era" IMO.
I was thinking for kicks and it may not even be 100% accurate but just for fun... What if someone did a metacritic style ranking of these competitors, just based on stats and not opinion.(Just an example)Finals:Individual Challenge1st Place = 10 points2nd Place = 8 points3rd place = 6 pointsTeam/Pair Challenge1st Place = 8 points2nd Place = 6 points3rd place = 4 pointsMission:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointswin team = 1 pointEliminations:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointsOther:Life savers, shields, inner circles, etc. = Bonus points add up the scores and that'll determine tiers. ex. 81 - 100 = tier 1, 61 - 80 = tier 2 , 40 - 60 = tier 3, etc.And then after stats we can do a little countdown where politics and impact can come into play alongside the metascore and the positions can adjust a little to have opinions be considered.
Idgi.. how is she suppose to look? She's a 37 year old mom. Do y'all still think she should look like how she did on Road Rules? She looks good imo.. better than most.
I was thinking for kicks and it may not even be 100% accurate but just for fun... What if someone did a metacritic style ranking of these competitors, just based on stats and not opinion.(Just an example)Finals:Individual Challenge1st Place = 10 points2nd Place = 8 points3rd place = 6 pointsTeam/Pair Challenge1st Place = 8 points2nd Place = 6 points3rd place = 4 pointsMission:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointswin team = 1 pointEliminations:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointsOther:Life savers, shields, inner circles, etc. = Bonus points add up the scores and that'll determine tiers. ex. 81 - 100 = tier 1, 61 - 80 = tier 2 , 40 - 60 = tier 3, etc.And then after stats we can do a little countdown where politics and impact can come into play alongside the metascore and the positions can adjust a little to have opinions be considered.
Idgi.. how is she suppose to look? She's a 37 year old mom. Do y'all still think she should look like how she did on Road Rules? She looks good imo.. better than most.Queen will stay Queen. The REAL undefeated blonde
I can't stand Susie, but I will admit that she looks good & has held up well for her age. Let's see what someone like Nany for instance, will look like at 37. Won't be pretty I imagine
Idgi.. how is she suppose to look? She's a 37 year old mom. Do y'all still think she should look like how she did on Road Rules? She looks good imo.. better than most.Queen will stay Queen. The REAL undefeated blonde
Well for one she needs to look better than that tbh.
wutzrenzi wrote:I was thinking for kicks and it may not even be 100% accurate but just for fun... What if someone did a metacritic style ranking of these competitors, just based on stats and not opinion.(Just an example)Finals:Individual Challenge1st Place = 10 points2nd Place = 8 points3rd place = 6 pointsTeam/Pair Challenge1st Place = 8 points2nd Place = 6 points3rd place = 4 pointsMission:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointswin team = 1 pointEliminations:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointsOther:Life savers, shields, inner circles, etc. = Bonus points add up the scores and that'll determine tiers. ex. 81 - 100 = tier 1, 61 - 80 = tier 2 , 40 - 60 = tier 3, etc.And then after stats we can do a little countdown where politics and impact can come into play alongside the metascore and the positions can adjust a little to have opinions be considered.
Do it.
itll take some time but I'll do it.
You will need to control for the difference in the number of seasons each player has been on. Maybe divide the final number by the number of seasons or something like that.
Susie looks like a hot mom in her late 30s. She doesn't have to try to look 25 because she's not 25. Accept that you're growing older and embrace it. She has. Most men would be thrilled if their 37 year old wife looked half that good. I don't understand people.
wutzrenzi wrote:I was thinking for kicks and it may not even be 100% accurate but just for fun... What if someone did a metacritic style ranking of these competitors, just based on stats and not opinion.(Just an example)Finals:Individual Challenge1st Place = 10 points2nd Place = 8 points3rd place = 6 pointsTeam/Pair Challenge1st Place = 8 points2nd Place = 6 points3rd place = 4 pointsMission:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointswin team = 1 pointEliminations:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointsOther:Life savers, shields, inner circles, etc. = Bonus points add up the scores and that'll determine tiers. ex. 81 - 100 = tier 1, 61 - 80 = tier 2 , 40 - 60 = tier 3, etc.And then after stats we can do a little countdown where politics and impact can come into play alongside the metascore and the positions can adjust a little to have opinions be considered.
Do it.
itll take some time but I'll do it.
You will need to control for the difference in the number of seasons each player has been on. Maybe divide the final number by the number of seasons or something like that.
Yeah I'm gonna run through a test between someone like Dan S. from back in the day, someone that's done 10 challenges and someone new like Cory and see how they match up with and without averaging the final number.
Susie looks like a hot mom in her late 30s. She doesn't have to try to look 25 because she's not 25. Accept that you're growing older and embrace it. She has. Most men would be thrilled if their 37 year old wife looked half that good. I don't understand people.
I'm rewatching Free Agents right now and in the second challenge with the cars and bikes, Devyn destroyed Camila in the foot race portion of the Challenge. She didn't get much of a head start, and Preston (who was paired with Camila) finished first. Never noticed that before and thought it was interesting.
wutzrenzi wrote:I was thinking for kicks and it may not even be 100% accurate but just for fun... What if someone did a metacritic style ranking of these competitors, just based on stats and not opinion.(Just an example)Finals:Individual Challenge1st Place = 10 points2nd Place = 8 points3rd place = 6 pointsTeam/Pair Challenge1st Place = 8 points2nd Place = 6 points3rd place = 4 pointsMission:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointswin team = 1 pointEliminations:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointsOther:Life savers, shields, inner circles, etc. = Bonus points add up the scores and that'll determine tiers. ex. 81 - 100 = tier 1, 61 - 80 = tier 2 , 40 - 60 = tier 3, etc.And then after stats we can do a little countdown where politics and impact can come into play alongside the metascore and the positions can adjust a little to have opinions be considered.
Do it.
itll take some time but I'll do it.
You will need to control for the difference in the number of seasons each player has been on. Maybe divide the final number by the number of seasons or something like that.
I MISS IBIS
I MISS IBIS
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That's not saying much though. Bananas gave possibly his worst performance ever on that season, Wes downgraded as a competitor long before that season and all of the other males weren't notable names.
Speaking of Ibis props to her for eating all that butter on Sexes 2.
You're too dumb and ignorant for me to debate with. Next contestant please.
No more arguments, resorts to insults ****. Okay mate.
Edit: Ibis was another victim of the JEK "era" IMO.
Yo I still say we take it to a vote/create a system.
do you guys like my idea from two pages ago?
Do it.
Idgi.. how is she suppose to look? She's a 37 year old mom. Do y'all still think she should look like how she did on Road Rules? She looks good imo.. better than most.
Queen will stay Queen. The REAL undefeated blonde
Ibis hooked up with johnny on the Ruins, right? They were kinda cuddling when Katie's plunger incident was happening.
But yeah I always liked Ibis too.
itll take some time but I'll do it.
Wait for Invasion to finish before doing it.
Facts.
I can't stand Susie, but I will admit that she looks good & has held up well for her age. Let's see what someone like Nany for instance, will look like at 37. Won't be pretty I imagine
Superboy, u back
Well for one she needs to look better than that tbh.
You will need to control for the difference in the number of seasons each player has been on. Maybe divide the final number by the number of seasons or something like that.
Susie looks like a hot mom in her late 30s. She doesn't have to try to look 25 because she's not 25. Accept that you're growing older and embrace it. She has. Most men would be thrilled if their 37 year old wife looked half that good. I don't understand people.
Yeah I'm gonna run through a test between someone like Dan S. from back in the day, someone that's done 10 challenges and someone new like Cory and see how they match up with and without averaging the final number.
Yes! Preach!
I'm rewatching Free Agents right now and in the second challenge with the cars and bikes, Devyn destroyed Camila in the foot race portion of the Challenge. She didn't get much of a head start, and Preston (who was paired with Camila) finished first. Never noticed that before and thought it was interesting.
Didnt someone say Preston ran like a Gazelle because I remember his insanely fast and abormally fast running *****
Yes lol. It wasn't this episode but someone said it.
Jessica also said Emilee runs like a cat with tape stuck to her feet haha.
I did Dan S, Zach and Cory as a sample
Total points: Zach > Dan S. > Cory
Average: Dan S. > Cory > Zach
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