wutzrenzi wrote:I was thinking for kicks and it may not even be 100% accurate but just for fun... What if someone did a metacritic style ranking of these competitors, just based on stats and not opinion.(Just an example)Finals:Individual Challenge1st Place = 10 points2nd Place = 8 points3rd place = 6 pointsTeam/Pair Challenge1st Place = 8 points2nd Place = 6 points3rd place = 4 pointsMission:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointswin team = 1 pointEliminations:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointsOther:Life savers, shields, inner circles, etc. = Bonus points add up the scores and that'll determine tiers. ex. 81 - 100 = tier 1, 61 - 80 = tier 2 , 40 - 60 = tier 3, etc.And then after stats we can do a little countdown where politics and impact can come into play alongside the metascore and the positions can adjust a little to have opinions be considered.
Do it.
itll take some time but I'll do it.
You will need to control for the difference in the number of seasons each player has been on. Maybe divide the final number by the number of seasons or something like that.
I did Dan S, Zach and Cory as a sampleTotal points: Zach > Dan S. > CoryAverage: Dan S. > Cory > Zach
Seems fair...though Cory/Zach is debatable. Zach's got some pretty good losses. Cory has only one loss but it was a bad one
Those so called point system criteria's are nonsense. Dan Setzler was clearly a better overall competitor (on another level) than Zach and Cory. Go by individual based performance/stats in missions, elimination rounds and overall ability.
Susie looks like a hot mom in her late 30s. She doesn't have to try to look 25 because she's not 25. Accept that you're growing older and embrace it. She has. Most men would be thrilled if their 37 year old wife looked half that good. I don't understand people.
I wouldn't go that far because I've seen better looking females in their 30s but yeah she's not that bad. Although I thought she was 40 by now.
Those so called point system criteria's are nonsense. Dan Setzler was clearly a better overall competitor (on another level) than Zach and Cory. Go by individual based performance/stats in missions, elimination rounds and overall ability.
If I compute the avg of mission wins, eliminations, challenge wins, indv. lifesavers/prize winnings / challenge appearences the point system (so far) pretty much proves that though. The only thing I didn't add were extra points for Dan's winning as a team captain on BOTS2 (only counted his team wins), that would bring his total points higher than Zach, and it would still remain: someone like Dan S. without having elimination wins is better than someone like Zach and Cory who are still doing challenges today. But we will see as I continue...
HonestTea101 wrote:Didnt someone say Preston ran like a Gazelle because I remember his insanely fast and abormally fast running *****
Preston has a long stride and good endurance but isn't the best sprinter. Hunter and Zach are the best sprinters by far.
I dont recall seeing Zach sprinting if I'm being honest
He walked through that challenge him and ct won on free agents. He walked faster than ct ran. If he walks that fast his sprint must match a tigers full speed
Those so called point system criteria's are nonsense. Dan Setzler was clearly a better overall competitor (on another level) than Zach and Cory. Go by individual based performance/stats in missions, elimination rounds and overall ability.
If I compute the avg of mission wins, eliminations, challenge wins, indv. lifesavers/prize winnings / challenge appearences the point system (so far) pretty much proves that though. The only thing I didn't add were extra points for Dan's winning as a team captain on BOTS2 (only counted his team wins), that would bring his total points higher than Zach, and it would still remain: someone like Dan S. without having elimination wins is better than someone like Zach and Cory who are still doing challenges today. But we will see as I continue...But I'll do Landon and Johnny next @kvm
I get that, but the last time I've seen something like that Darrell was ranked higher than Theo Von when Theo outperformed Darrell individually on the Gauntlet and Fresh Meat in daily missions and was simply a better competitor overall.
But did Dan Setzler really still finished with more points than Zach and Cory? Not surprised, he's one of the very few elite competitors in the history of The Challenge.
I guess I need to rewatch some of those older seasons again. I thought Dan S was a really solid competitor but is he really top 5? I kinda wish the challenges were more physical back then when the best male competitors were from that era
Dan was a top two male performer on two out of his three seasons (Battle of the Seasons and Battle of the Sexes 2). Battle of the Sexes 2 featured the strongest male cast of all time (likely to never be topped) and a point system (based on performance in the missions) and Dan was tied with Theo Von for best male performer (they were neck and neck in individual performance on that season). He was called the "consummate competitor" and "All-Star Road Ruler" for a reason, he was good at almost everything. It's too bad he'll never return, he would kill it on these new seasons.
wutzrenzi wrote:I was thinking for kicks and it may not even be 100% accurate but just for fun... What if someone did a metacritic style ranking of these competitors, just based on stats and not opinion.(Just an example)Finals:Individual Challenge1st Place = 10 points2nd Place = 8 points3rd place = 6 pointsTeam/Pair Challenge1st Place = 8 points2nd Place = 6 points3rd place = 4 pointsMission:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointswin team = 1 pointEliminations:win solo = 5 pointswin pair = 3 pointsOther:Life savers, shields, inner circles, etc. = Bonus points add up the scores and that'll determine tiers. ex. 81 - 100 = tier 1, 61 - 80 = tier 2 , 40 - 60 = tier 3, etc.And then after stats we can do a little countdown where politics and impact can come into play alongside the metascore and the positions can adjust a little to have opinions be considered.
Do it.
itll take some time but I'll do it.
You will need to control for the difference in the number of seasons each player has been on. Maybe divide the final number by the number of seasons or something like that.
I did Dan S, Zach and Cory as a sampleTotal points: Zach > Dan S. > CoryAverage: Dan S. > Cory > Zach
Igby wrote:Those so called point system criteria's are nonsense. Dan Setzler was clearly a better overall competitor (on another level) than Zach and Cory. Go by individual based performance/stats in missions, elimination rounds and overall ability.
If I compute the avg of mission wins, eliminations, challenge wins, indv. lifesavers/prize winnings / challenge appearences the point system (so far) pretty much proves that though. The only thing I didn't add were extra points for Dan's winning as a team captain on BOTS2 (only counted his team wins), that would bring his total points higher than Zach, and it would still remain: someone like Dan S. without having elimination wins is better than someone like Zach and Cory who are still doing challenges today. But we will see as I continue...But I'll do Landon and Johnny next @kvm
I get that, but the last time I've seen something like that Darrell was ranked higher than Theo Von when Theo outperformed Darrell individually on the Gauntlet and Fresh Meat in daily missions and was simply a better competitor overall. But did Dan Setzler really still finished with more points than Zach and Cory? Not surprised if true, he's one of the very few elite competitors in the history of The Challenge.
I understand that as well. But it would take up entirely too much time to go back and see who outperformed whoon challenges that didn't reward individual performances or ranked them and then try to incorporate that in a ranking or point system. That's why I think it'll be cool to just go based off stats but also do a countdown based on opinion where things like Theo performing better than Darrell will be taken into consideration. Then we can see where everyone lands on both lists.
Theo def won some eyesavers on Gauntlet and missions on FM even though Darrell took he whole thing. I'll test those two after Landon/Bananas before I continue to do this whole thing forreal.
ZZZZZZZZZZ @ all this over analysis on Competitors.
If you want to discuss something else like hottest female challengers or something you're more than welcome. Competitor rankings can be fun when people aren't stating ridiculous things.
Igby wrote:Those so called point system criteria's are nonsense. Dan Setzler was clearly a better overall competitor (on another level) than Zach and Cory. Go by individual based performance/stats in missions, elimination rounds and overall ability.
If I compute the avg of mission wins, eliminations, challenge wins, indv. lifesavers/prize winnings / challenge appearences the point system (so far) pretty much proves that though. The only thing I didn't add were extra points for Dan's winning as a team captain on BOTS2 (only counted his team wins), that would bring his total points higher than Zach, and it would still remain: someone like Dan S. without having elimination wins is better than someone like Zach and Cory who are still doing challenges today. But we will see as I continue...But I'll do Landon and Johnny next @kvm
I get that, but the last time I've seen something like that Darrell was ranked higher than Theo Von when Theo outperformed Darrell individually on the Gauntlet and Fresh Meat in daily missions and was simply a better competitor overall. But did Dan Setzler really still finished with more points than Zach and Cory? Not surprised if true, he's one of the very few elite competitors in the history of The Challenge.
I understand that as well. But it would take up entirely too much time to go back and see who outperformed whoon challenges that didn't reward individual performances or ranked them and then try to incorporate that in a ranking or point system. That's why I think it'll be cool to just go based off stats but also do a countdown based on opinion where things like Theo performing better than Darrell will be taken into consideration. Then we can see where everyone lands on both lists.Theo def won some eyesavers on Gauntlet and missions on FM even though Darrell took he whole thing. I'll test those two after Landon/Bananas before I continue to do this whole thing forreal.
Yeah analyzing every mission like I do gets tiring. But no way Darrell should be ranked above Theo Von, we'll see what you come up with.
the most annoying people are the ones that're biased af to the older competitors zzzzzzzzz
I'm not biased, I rank based on individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The golden era competitors (RW/RR Challenge to Gauntlet 2) were better overall competitors. The only competitors of the new generations who are "legends" so to speak are Evan, Bananas and Wes. Leroy, Zach, Frank S, Jordan, Cory, Nelson and Hunter don't have it (maybe they will eventually).
the most annoying people are the ones that're biased af to the older competitors zzzzzzzzz
You let us know when these "new kids" show any ability to beat the golden era. Pretty much everyone agreed that if the Underdogs had to go head-to-head with the Champs on Invasion we wouldn't have seen an Underdog run the final. Instead of being mad that people are honest about the golden era being better competitors maybe you should be ****** off they aren't better...or even relevant
Come on new generation fans, Shane is a B level competitor from the golden era and yet he was the best overall competitor for the Underdogs. This is simply not a debate, the best come from the golden era.
Come on new generation fans, Shane is a B level competitor from the golden era and yet he was the best overall competitor for the Underdogs. This is simply not a debate, the best come from the golden era.
Danny (RW: Battle of the Seasons) on Battle of the Seasons. I think his female partner Kelley outperformed him.
Danny was the least deserving of the six but Kelley outperformed all the guys in stairway to heaven if I remember correctly. Kelley was surprisingly good.
Most undeserving challenge champions?1. Christina-Real World/Road Rules Challenge2. Ibis- The Gauntlet 23. Carely- Fresh Meat 24. Janelle- Inferno 35. Eric N- Battle of the Sexes 2
1. Rachel Moyal-The Gaunlet 32. Eric Nies--Battle of the Sexes 23. Janelle Casanave--The Inferno 34. Dave Giuntoli--The Gauntlet (I like Dave but he did absolutely nothing that season)5. Sam McGinn/Zach Nichols--Battle of the Seasons (2012)I don't have Ibis on this least simply because she single-handedly won them the final
The Veterans quit the Gauntlet 2 final from what I remember, Ibis was the Rookies weakest female but got lucky she was friends with Kina (who choose not to face Ibis in the last gauntlet but Jillian instead).
Dave won a lifeshield on the Gauntlet and did well during the first half of that season. It was only towards the end of that season where his performance declined.
Brad and Tori are by no means bad competitors but they definitely didn't have to earn their win on Cutthroat. I only think Tyler of all people deserved to win that season.
Seems fair...though Cory/Zach is debatable. Zach's got some pretty good losses. Cory has only one loss but it was a bad one
Do Landon & Johnny. If Johnny is ahead of Landon we have to rework the formula--lol
Those so called point system criteria's are nonsense. Dan Setzler was clearly a better overall competitor (on another level) than Zach and Cory. Go by individual based performance/stats in missions, elimination rounds and overall ability.
I wouldn't go that far because I've seen better looking females in their 30s but yeah she's not that bad. Although I thought she was 40 by now.
Preston has a long stride and good endurance but isn't the best sprinter. Hunter and Zach are the best sprinters by far.
If I compute the avg of mission wins, eliminations, challenge wins, indv. lifesavers/prize winnings / challenge appearences the point system (so far) pretty much proves that though. The only thing I didn't add were extra points for Dan's winning as a team captain on BOTS2 (only counted his team wins), that would bring his total points higher than Zach, and it would still remain: someone like Dan S. without having elimination wins is better than someone like Zach and Cory who are still doing challenges today. But we will see as I continue...
But I'll do Landon and Johnny next @kvm
I dont recall seeing Zach sprinting if I'm being honest
He walked through that challenge him and ct won on free agents. He walked faster than ct ran. If he walks that fast his sprint must match a tigers full speed
I get that, but the last time I've seen something like that Darrell was ranked higher than Theo Von when Theo outperformed Darrell individually on the Gauntlet and Fresh Meat in daily missions and was simply a better competitor overall.
But did Dan Setzler really still finished with more points than Zach and Cory? Not surprised, he's one of the very few elite competitors in the history of The Challenge.
I guess I need to rewatch some of those older seasons again. I thought Dan S was a really solid competitor but is he really top 5?
I kinda wish the challenges were more physical back then when the best male competitors were from that era
Dan was a top two male performer on two out of his three seasons (Battle of the Seasons and Battle of the Sexes 2). Battle of the Sexes 2 featured the strongest male cast of all time (likely to never be topped) and a point system (based on performance in the missions) and Dan was tied with Theo Von for best male performer (they were neck and neck in individual performance on that season). He was called the "consummate competitor" and "All-Star Road Ruler" for a reason, he was good at almost everything. It's too bad he'll never return, he would kill it on these new seasons.
This should be posted on reddit lol.
I understand that as well. But it would take up entirely too much time to go back and see who outperformed whoon challenges that didn't reward individual performances or ranked them and then try to incorporate that in a ranking or point system. That's why I think it'll be cool to just go based off stats but also do a countdown based on opinion where things like Theo performing better than Darrell will be taken into consideration. Then we can see where everyone lands on both lists.
Theo def won some eyesavers on Gauntlet and missions on FM even though Darrell took he whole thing. I'll test those two after Landon/Bananas before I continue to do this whole thing forreal.
ZZZZZZZZZZ @ all this over analysis on Competitors.
If you want to discuss something else like hottest female challengers or something you're more than welcome. Competitor rankings can be fun when people aren't stating ridiculous things.
Yeah analyzing every mission like I do gets tiring. But no way Darrell should be ranked above Theo Von, we'll see what you come up with.
the most annoying people are the ones that're biased af to the older competitors zzzzzzzzz
I'm not biased, I rank based on individual performance/stats in missions and elimination rounds. The golden era competitors (RW/RR Challenge to Gauntlet 2) were better overall competitors. The only competitors of the new generations who are "legends" so to speak are Evan, Bananas and Wes. Leroy, Zach, Frank S, Jordan, Cory, Nelson and Hunter don't have it (maybe they will eventually).
You let us know when these "new kids" show any ability to beat the golden era. Pretty much everyone agreed that if the Underdogs had to go head-to-head with the Champs on Invasion we wouldn't have seen an Underdog run the final. Instead of being mad that people are honest about the golden era being better competitors maybe you should be ****** off they aren't better...or even relevant
Come on new generation fans, Shane is a B level competitor from the golden era and yet he was the best overall competitor for the Underdogs. This is simply not a debate, the best come from the golden era.
Free Agents in rampage he outran everyone even CT.
Most undeserving challenge champions?
1. Christina-Real World/Road Rules Challenge
2. Ibis- The Gauntlet 2
3. Carely- Fresh Meat 2
4. Janelle- Inferno 3
5. Eric N- Battle of the Sexes 2
Rachel Moyal/Johanna - The Gauntlet 3
Sam - Battle of the Seasons
Dunbar - Cutthroat
1. Rachel Moyal-The Gaunlet 3
2. Eric Nies--Battle of the Sexes 2
3. Janelle Casanave--The Inferno 3
4. Dave Giuntoli--The Gauntlet (I like Dave but he did absolutely nothing that season)
5. Sam McGinn/Zach Nichols--Battle of the Seasons (2012)
I don't have Ibis on this least simply because she single-handedly won them the final
Danny (RW: Battle of the Seasons) on Battle of the Seasons. I think his female partner Kelley outperformed him.
Danny was the least deserving of the six but Kelley outperformed all the guys in stairway to heaven if I remember correctly. Kelley was surprisingly good.
The Veterans quit the Gauntlet 2 final from what I remember, Ibis was the Rookies weakest female but got lucky she was friends with Kina (who choose not to face Ibis in the last gauntlet but Jillian instead).
Dave won a lifeshield on the Gauntlet and did well during the first half of that season. It was only towards the end of that season where his performance declined.
Rachel Moyal and Johanna definitely come to mind.
Brad and Tori are by no means bad competitors but they definitely didn't have to earn their win on Cutthroat. I only think Tyler of all people deserved to win that season.
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