Diem did not have colon cancer. She had a metastatic ovarian cancer. It spread to her colon, stomach, stomach lining and eventually spread to her liver and lymph nodes. And even through it all, she kept that fighting spirit. What an Incredible Woman!
Sorry about your loved ones. I lost my grndmother to breast cancer and I have lost a couple of friends. Cancer freaking sucks!
These people and these stupid magazines you speak of, they are so insensitive. I realize as I get older people feel it is okay to judge others for no reason at all. I belive the quote goes, "Its the people that know you the least that judge you the most" These people dont know CT or Diem personally. All they know is a television show storyline and what "Sources" say about them. You would think people would show a little respect but, it is not a theme practiced in our world. At the end of the day, Diem was not perfect but who amongst us is? All I ask is that people who point the finger take a good look at themselves first.
Interesting viewpoints.....I do find their shared journey fascinating when you play it out across a 9 year period.....I also lean towards them being together in some sort of fashion the past 16 months.....it seems the logical conclusion to their story with the information you can find via the internet.....I also think Diem knew how serious her health conditions were following Rivals, everyday was precious and not to be wasted......my sister and father both passed of cancer.....neither could have physically competed like Diem did at the same stage of colon cancer as she was.......Diem was tough as hell.
One item of note.....some of the websites and blogs are incredibly nasty towards them both......rather shocking to me and confirms their reason to protect their private lives.....I would react in the same fashion.
Hammer62, the websites and blogs you saw are just the tip of the iceberg. The articles quoting "sources" and "friends" of Diem trashing CT are things that really got to me. I know what you mean, though. You can understand their desire to keep their renewed romance private; I can't imagine the "crazies" coming out of the woodwork to bring it down.
Diem was told after Battle of the Exes 1 that the return of her cancer meant she would never be in remission but rather it was stable. They also told her after climbing that glacier that she wouldn't live to see 2013. Her indomitable spirit and will to live kept her active and living her life to the fullest until Nov. 2014. She took that extra time and continued to give hope and inspiration to everyone who interacted with her. For that I am most grateful for the people whose lives she impacted, including mine.
Just to clarify, my sister and father both passed of colon cancer and physically they were not in a condition that would have allowed physical activity such that Diem was engaged (maybe did not articulate my response effectively as I was aware her cancer was different scope). I have alot of respect for how she competed under very difficult circumstances in which most people would have not even considered. The link you provided is outstanding and highlights her will to move forward under incredible adversity.
The lesson she leaves behind is an example of "living life to the fullest" understanding your time on earth is limited.......she was impactful and truly an inspiration.
As for CT and the negative comments towards him.....from my perspective he is a young man who was rejected by a woman he loved deeply who kept coming into his life at different times under various circumstances.......timing in life is everything. He was young, unruly, and enjoying the limelight...I am not going to fault him for that...(I walked that road and went into maturity kicking and screaming:). I don't doubt his devotion to her and even the "sources" have stated as much.
Interesting viewpoints.....I do find their shared journey fascinating when you play it out across a 9 year period.....I also lean towards them being together in some sort of fashion the past 16 months.....it seems the logical conclusion to their story with the information you can find via the internet.....I also think Diem knew how serious her health conditions were following Rivals, everyday was precious and not to be wasted......my sister and father both passed of cancer.....neither could have physically competed like Diem did at the same stage of colon cancer as she was.......Diem was tough as hell.
One item of note.....some of the websites and blogs are incredibly nasty towards them both......rather shocking to me and confirms their reason to protect their private lives.....I would react in the same fashion.
Thank you for your posts. They have been quite interesting to read. Diem was a super super WARRIOR. There are not enough positive adjectives to describe her. I find myself thinking about her most days. I'm sure that will lessen with time but I will never forget her EVER!
One area that I find puzzling is that she had stated the reason she broke up with CT was to move forward in her vision of MedGift and felt she did not want a relationship hindering that vision. Yet she entered a long term relationship with Sasan......so there would seem to be much more to the story.....residency, career vision, maturity, all plays into it. I would also suspect Sasan was much more appealing to the family as he seems like a very nice, successful person.
He was hurt, he moved on and then BOTE comes into play.....she states in interviews about BOTE she was apprehensive about it being a show about Execs (MTV sources denied that to her as rumors). She had to have known there was a high probability that CT would be there for The Challenge (even not knowing the format)....she may very well have been in what she considered a great relationship but why go on a show that you know CT is on unless you wanted to see him for specific reasons?
CT seems to have calmed over the past year, I think with maturity comes wisdom and maybe he is finally growing up and focusing on his career versus being stuck in a perpetual spring break.....Diem was really capable of doing anything within the entertainment industry, she was really a talented speaker and great on-air voice....she a had a very bright future.....my hope is that her influence guides him......I am curious to see signs of this during the BOTE2 in January.
As I stated I do believe he is going to have a very tough time without her.......the adventures they shared will be nearly impossible to duplicate......he will have to come to terms that a very important part of his life is gone......long term he will adjust, in the short term he will struggle.
From what I remember, CT and Diem were very serious after they met on The Duel (like the getting married kind of serious) but there were minor glitches in terms of where to live (Boston v. LA) and what each was doing in their own lives. D was on a vision quest to establish MedGift (predecesor was L4TC or Live for the Cure) and I can well imagine it was difficult in one's 20s to imagine establishing both a family and a foundation. Someone has to have a steady paycheck, exclusive of the Challenge cash. Plus, her medical debt was enormous back then; I'm sure that weighed on her as well. She started to date her ex right around Duel II and he was the opposite of CT at that time ~ serious, generous, kind, establishing a respectable profession and local to LA. And what group of friends and family wouldn't support that?
Diem herself admitted she made the decision to end it with CT based on her head and not her heart and it was obvious that she broke his when she ended it. When you have a great love like that, though, it's hard to put it to rest. I think we saw that in both of them during Battle of the Exes 1. Their continued attraction to each other was magnetic and palpable; hard to deny. Her 2nd cancer diagnosis after climbing up that glacier really put it all into perspective for her; she wanted the Tom Cruise Jumping on Oprah's couch love, not the safe and steady kind. And as she told Aneesa in the pool on Rivals II, CT made her feel "full" (complete).
I agree that he will have a tough time, losing her twice in a lifetime. My heart goes out to him.
yea i mean on Duel 1 she mentioned the average life span of ovarian cancer survivors, and after getting it again (before rivals 2), i think she realized time may be limited (not as limited as it ended up, but she probably didn't think she would see past 40 if i had to guess) so it was the time to truly follow her heart and as you said the feel full comment showed that her true happiness was with him, even if he was not the safe bet like her other ex was.
I mean obviously comparing the ex and CT from a family perspective(who they prefered the type she'd date), the ex would have a clear advantage, but the white picket fence thing with 4 kids she mentioned on every season almost was her dream and i am pretty sure only her dream with ct. I never heard her mention that without mentioning her past with CT or something to do with CT in the sentence. She could have had it with the ex, she chose to explore things with CT again over the safe bet. I think the safe bet isn't always the best bet/match, life is better when it's exciting and surprising. To me there is no bigger compliment than to say you feel full/complete with soemone. She said that about CT. I bet both have regrets about the 5 year thing and i am sure if they coudl see in the future they would have done things different, but that's life. Obviously both being stubborn to admit they both still loved each other took away time they coudl have been together, but it was hard to predict this all woudl happen with diem getting in a third time and passing so quickly. Very tragic.
Exactly. I thought of that myself. There were 5 or 6 years that they could have been spending time together that they weren't. I'm sure they had to have discussed it, but I choose to believe they didn't dwell on it. You can't go back in time and undo it.
I'm sure they would have turned back time if they could but at least they got that last year together and made the most of it, but yeah, I have to admit if that were me losing my great love like that and I knew I could have had extra time with them but life didnt unfold that way....I do think it would be something that would naturally be on my mind a lot after my great love passed. I would try not to dwell on it and just move on but it would be hard. Five or six years is a short amount of time to lose when you think about it in the context of living 80 years but it's a long amount of time when you think about it in the context of 34 years.
It is a HUGE compliment for Diem to say she feels complete with CT and I know it had to have meant everything to him. Perhaps what is keeping CT together now and not making it so he goes off the rails is the fact that he and Diem did get to say everything they wanted to say to one another and I'm sure not much was left unsaid in terms of how they felt and I bet that has brought CT some piece of mind.
One area that I find puzzling is that she had stated the reason she broke up with CT was to move forward in her vision of MedGift and felt she did not want a relationship hindering that vision. Yet she entered a long term relationship with Sasan......so there would seem to be much more to the story.....residency, career vision, maturity, all plays into it. I would also suspect Sasan was much more appealing to the family as he seems like a very nice, successful person.
He was hurt, he moved on and then BOTE comes into play.....she states in interviews about BOTE she was apprehensive about it being a show about Execs (MTV sources denied that to her as rumors). She had to have known there was a high probability that CT would be there for The Challenge (even not knowing the format)....she may very well have been in what she considered a great relationship but why go on a show that you know CT is on unless you wanted to see him for specific reasons?
CT seems to have calmed over the past year, I think with maturity comes wisdom and maybe he is finally growing up and focusing on his career versus being stuck in a perpetual spring break.....Diem was really capable of doing anything within the entertainment industry, she was really a talented speaker and great on-air voice....she a had a very bright future.....my hope is that her influence guides him......I am curious to see signs of this during the BOTE2 in January.
As I stated I do believe he is going to have a very tough time without her.......the adventures they shared will be nearly impossible to duplicate......he will have to come to terms that a very important part of his life is gone......long term he will adjust, in the short term he will struggle.
From what I remember, CT and Diem were very serious after they met on The Duel (like the getting married kind of serious) but there were minor glitches in terms of where to live (Boston v. LA) and what each was doing in their own lives. D was on a vision quest to establish MedGift (predecesor was L4TC or Live for the Cure) and I can well imagine it was difficult in one's 20s to imagine establishing both a family and a foundation. Someone has to have a steady paycheck, exclusive of the Challenge cash. Plus, her medical debt was enormous back then; I'm sure that weighed on her as well. She started to date her ex right around Duel II and he was the opposite of CT at that time ~ serious, generous, kind, establishing a respectable profession and local to LA. And what group of friends and family wouldn't support that?
Diem herself admitted she made the decision to end it with CT based on her head and not her heart and it was obvious that she broke his when she ended it. When you have a great love like that, though, it's hard to put it to rest. I think we saw that in both of them during Battle of the Exes 1. Their continued attraction to each other was magnetic and palpable; hard to deny. Her 2nd cancer diagnosis after climbing up that glacier really put it all into perspective for her; she wanted the Tom Cruise Jumping on Oprah's couch love, not the safe and steady kind. And as she told Aneesa in the pool on Rivals II, CT made her feel "full" (complete).
I agree that he will have a tough time, losing her twice in a lifetime. My heart goes out to him.
yea i mean on Duel 1 she mentioned the average life span of ovarian cancer survivors, and after getting it again (before rivals 2), i think she realized time may be limited (not as limited as it ended up, but she probably didn't think she would see past 40 if i had to guess) so it was the time to truly follow her heart and as you said the feel full comment showed that her true happiness was with him, even if he was not the safe bet like her other ex was.
I mean obviously comparing the ex and CT from a family perspective(who they prefered the type she'd date), the ex would have a clear advantage, but the white picket fence thing with 4 kids she mentioned on every season almost was her dream and i am pretty sure only her dream with ct. I never heard her mention that without mentioning her past with CT or something to do with CT in the sentence. She could have had it with the ex, she chose to explore things with CT again over the safe bet. I think the safe bet isn't always the best bet/match, life is better when it's exciting and surprising. To me there is no bigger compliment than to say you feel full/complete with soemone. She said that about CT. I bet both have regrets about the 5 year thing and i am sure if they coudl see in the future they would have done things different, but that's life. Obviously both being stubborn to admit they both still loved each other took away time they coudl have been together, but it was hard to predict this all woudl happen with diem getting in a third time and passing so quickly. Very tragic.
Exactly. I thought of that myself. There were 5 or 6 years that they could have been spending time together that they weren't. I'm sure they had to have discussed it, but I choose to believe they didn't dwell on it. You can't go back in time and undo it.
I'm sure they would have turned back time if they could but at least they got that last year together and made the most of it, but yeah, I have to admit if that were me losing my great love like that and I knew I could have had extra time with them but life didnt unfold that way....I do think it would be something that would naturally be on my mind a lot after my great love passed. I would try not to dwell on it and just move on but it would be hard. Five or six years is a short amount of time to lose when you think about it in the context of living 80 years but it's a long amount of time when you think about it in the context of 34 years.
It is a HUGE compliment for Diem to say she feels complete with CT and I know it had to have meant everything to him. Perhaps what is keeping CT together now and not making it so he goes off the rails is the fact that he and Diem did get to say everything they wanted to say to one another and I'm sure not much was left unsaid in terms of how they felt and I bet that has brought CT some piece of mind.
Thanks for the reply i agree. Also Cara is defending that love on twitter as we speak if you want to look
Dont believe everything you see or hear. People project onto others what they see in themselves. Love is love. Nothing takes that away.
And that's the truth. No one can understand them but them. Everyone else only has an opinion. It was never perfect but it was perfect for them and that is what mattered. Like I said before, Rivals2 was my favorite because it showed how the true depth of their relationship. The good, the bad, the beautiful. I was watching The Notebook last night (I know, I know, i'm a corny romantic. Sue me lol!) and this one quote came in one of my favorite scenes and I thought of them:
“The best love is the kind that awakens the soul and makes us reach for more, that plants a fire in our hearts and brings peace to our minds. And that's what you've given me. That's what I'd hoped to give you forever”
I thought it fit them so well.
Cara is such a sweetie! Her support of Diem was and is so touching. You can tell she loved that girl like her own family.
Dont believe everything you see or hear. People project onto others what they see in themselves. Love is love. Nothing takes that away.
Not a fan of Cara but that was a really sweet post by Cara. She is 100% right, no one will ever understand what they had but them. All we know is it was real and they did love each other.
Dont believe everything you see or hear. People project onto others what they see in themselves. Love is love. Nothing takes that away.
Not a fan of Cara but that was a really sweet post by Cara. She is 100% right, no one will ever understand what they had but them. All we know is it was real and they did love each other.
Perhaps what is keeping CT together now and not making it so he goes off the rails is the fact that he and Diem did get to say everything they wanted to say to one another and I'm sure not much was left unsaid in terms of how they felt and I bet that has brought CT some piece of mind.
This is my hope; they made complete peace with one another.
Another point that I did not understand was the reporting on CT and the marriage proposal's on the two occasions ....I would think it was a bittersweet gesture but I just cannot see this as not being earnest.....the comments in People stated possible self-promotion which does not add up when looking at his behavior....CT has shown no trend in self-promotion concerning Diem.....in fact he is nearly radio silent with the exception of his instragram tweets....maybe this changes when BOTE2 comes out due to MTV pressure.....but he has shown no real interest in giving anyone any insight....and good for him.
Another point that I did not understand was the reporting on CT and the marriage proposal's on the two occasions ....I would think it was a bittersweet gesture but I just cannot see this as not being earnest.....the comments in People stated possible self-promotion which does not add up when looking at his behavior....CT has shown no trend in self-promotion concerning Diem.....in fact he is nearly radio silent with the exception of his instragram tweets....maybe this changes when BOTE2 comes out due to MTV pressure.....but he has shown no real interest in giving anyone any insight....and good for him.
I am of two minds re: the proposal. Either he wanted to make her laugh (the ruby one) and/or he wanted to support her efforts to live and give her hope (the second one). From what I know, they planned to be together in the future. I don't think he would have shared that info regardless. The leak to the tabloids by Diem's friends/family seemed harsh. I don't know if it was done to make him look opportunistic or to shield her ex's feelings or both. I'm sure in the instant grief, it was easy to blame CT for her leaving the country to do a Challenge and, by extension, be the "cause" of her rapid demise. The coulda woulda shoulda guilt.
CT, his family, and his friends have kept their comments on Diem's death to a minimum in Social Media and in the press, a very respectful and mature way (my opinion) to commemorate her passing and their love.
I still can't view the pictures of her, near the end. It's too much for my stomach to take and it's mind-boggling that someone of her age and vibrance could be struck down so quickly. It's still very upsetting.
Her last Instagram post also haunts me. I think it's still up and if I happen to glance at her IG page, I have to skip over it.
I, for one, don't believe she had a clue that she was about to pass away or not be able to make it to 35. One of her friends was quoted as saying that the day before she passed, she was trying to get home because she felt she'd get better, quicker, at her own place. It is soothing to know, at the end, she had made peace with moving on to the next life. Geez, I just don't get it...
Personally, and this is because of limited information, I'm somewhat angry at her docs. I wish I knew who her "team" was that treated her, because I think this straight-up got missed. This is somewhat corrabarted by Alicia venting online about hopsitals and communication and tests at one hospital vs. another. She's gone, I guess I have to accept that, but it should have been caught a bit earlier. I think some of her IG posts are telling that she was feeling/having some issues, about 6 months prior to collasping on the challenge...I know that's neither here nor there, but damn, the spread of it and where it was...well, never mind.
I am one of the CT and Diem fans that wanted them to be together at the end. I realize now how selfish that is of me, because that shouldn't matter. Diem had the people around her that she wanted to be around her. If CT wasn't there, then it's quite simply that she didn't want or need him there. I'm okay with that now. You don't nearly die on the operating table and keep people away that you want to be there. Being a married woman, my husband would be there even if he was too hyper, or even too upset, to be there.
Alicia and the rest of Diem's inner circle do not sing high praises of CT. I trust them and how well that they took care of her, that there was a reason for this. Why should I let my selfish picture of what I would have liked CT and Diem to be, to infiltratethe truth? Alicia, in her position, is well aware of how to come off in the media. I think she spoke eloquently and truthfully when she said that hey, it was complicated and maybe if they had more time, something else could have developed. Alas, I don't think this was the case.
I think CT was the bad boy of her life and she would always be drawn to him, but she probably would have found more stability with someone else. Hell, I think she could have been married to someone else, w/kids, and still pine for CT.
If he proposed with two rings, the ruby and the serious ring, is the ruby the only one pictured in one of his last IG posts? So, did he return the serious ring? Why not return the ruby that Diem dismissed because she disliked them? I guess it doesn't matter now. If he did take video of the proposal, I hope that never gets leaked. Ever.
I think the teenage fan girl in me, that grew up watching RW/RR/Challenges, wanted so much to believe that the fairy tale was true, to some extent.
The married adult realizes that I try to romanticize too much and that the truth is much more special than anything I could ever imagine.
Hi!!New user here!So glad I found this site to deal with the loss of Diem, cant believe its been a month. So far I am happy with how mtv has dealt with Diem's death and honouring her.
In regards to the whole CT/Diem stuff, the media articles have been really confusing, I think in part it has to do with how private Diem was about her relationships, for a very long time people didnt really know about her long term boyfriend. If indeed Diem's family werent fond of CT, why did he spend the holidays with them? And in regards to CT possibly being to blame for Diem going on the challenge, well noone can really blame CT, because Diem seemed to be a strong willed person and if she didnt want to go on the challenge she would not have gone.
All in all, Im glad she had family and friends surrounding her when she passed, and was able to live an enjoybale life with the limited time she had.
Honestly, I'm not even interested in where CT and Diem's relationship was when she passed. Over the last month I've realized how trivial and stupid this discussion is for me.
The one thing about D's illness that touched me was the group of women who surrounded her in her darkest hours. From all different ethnicities, walks of life, religion, ect. But they shared one common goal: surrounding Diem with love an support. Too often we hear that women don't support each other or women are catty and those group of girls shut ALL THAT DOWN. It was so beautiful to see them step up for their friends and show such unwaverring love to a woman who would do the same for them all. To me, the friendship between Alicia, Julie, Megan and sooo many others that helped Diem was a love story for the ages. Just magnificent and a true testimant to the words love, friendship and companionship. Hats off to them. They are the real MVP's.
As far as CT... Who the heck really knows? They don't owe me anything and i'm more than fine that. What I do know is that they were two people who shared a deep bond that many people, maybe not even themselves, could understand. The US weekly story has too many inconsitencies to count so i'll take it with a little more than a grain of salt. CT expressed what Diem meant to him and how he felt. I'll assume he was genuwine. He, his family, and his friends have nothing to gain by talking about Diem. Whatever her "inner circle" thinks about CT is irrelavant . Diem was fearless woman who made decisions that were bold and sometimes controversial but they were hers and she never apologized for it. Maybe not everyone loves CT and believe me he deserves some of the trepidation. But she accepted him for who he is, all the baggage and mistakes that he came with. And he accpeted her too. That's what this stupid, crazy thing we call love is all about, right?
And as usual... praying for the Brown family this Christmas. This is always a melancholy time of year for me due to my losses so I can understand the pain they're going through. May God bless them with a Merry Christmas filled with some smiles and laughter. And Alicia, and Julie, and all of Diem's besties. And the CT too. A brother and a lover... terrible.
I think it's clear D & CT were together after Rivals II, and he was on good terms with both family and at least, Alicia. So the US weekly article seems a little bit bogus. It's despicable and ridiculous that they would even publish an article like that knowing well that her entire environment is going through a very rough time. It's putting him in a bad light and I think it's disrespecting Diem's integrity also, not cool. But as I said, I doubt it's fully accurate so that's that! Looking very forward to seeing her on January 6th, hope MTV do a good job with all the footage.
I agree that really in light of Diem's passing that whether CT and Diem were together or not seems a trivial thing to discuss (to debate it). Having said that, gotta just get it out there because it drives me nuts if I don't, they were together and very much in love. They just chose to keep things private. Chris was really good to her too, just as much there for her as Alicia, Megan, Julie and others. Having said that, if others disagree with me, I'm okay with that. I'm not here to have a debate. Let's say for the sake of argument some believe they weren't together....well even those that believe they were just friends only would still say that Chris was visiting with her and very much being there for her during those 3 months....that is something that we can all agree on I'm sure.
I think it's clear D & CT were together after Rivals II, and he was on good terms with both family and at least, Alicia. So the US weekly article seems a little bit bogus. It's despicable and ridiculous that they would even publish an article like that knowing well that her entire environment is going through a very rough time. It's putting him in a bad light and I think it's disrespecting Diem's integrity also, not cool. But as I said, I doubt it's fully accurate so that's that! Looking very forward to seeing her on January 6th, hope MTV do a good job with all the footage.
I like this post. I'm looking forward to seeing her on January 6th too. Ya'll don't forget the special airing on December 30th as well.
I like this post. I'm looking forward to seeing her on January 6th too. Ya'll don't forget the special airing on December 30th as well.
Makes me wonder if the special is one of Diem's "three episodes," and if we'll only get to see her in two episodes of the actual Challenge. I guess if there is new interview footage or whatever introducing her team, that's cool, but I'd rather get to see her play. Not much we could do about it - obviously she played for as long as she played for and nothing can change that - but when I think three episodes, I want three challenges.
Yes it's called Ex-Baggage (something like that), and I assume it's a preview of the upcoming challenge....a preview of the teams, commentary being given....think similar to the preview for Rivals 2 hosted by Johanna, Kenny and Snooki....except with Diem and Knight's passing, this might be a different type of preview than in the past, a different tone to it than past challenge previews. With it airing on December 30th at 11 p.m., so close to New Year's, I wonder how many people are even going to know that it's on or be watching ya know. Yes, I am in agreement that I hope the 3 episodes that Diem is on means 3 of the regular episodes with the challenges....I hope they are not counting the preview show.
I agree that they were certainly together in some capacity.....mutual respect, love, protectors, friends ....I dont know the answer but they certainly did not speak of their relationship to the media.
It's weird, I felt that maybe 2 days or so after Diem's passing I let it go. Her special aired and I teared up a bit at the end when Aneesa did. But besides that, I've always felt okay because it wasn't so sudden so I was prepared.
But whenever that trailer airs and I hear Diem's voice with that quote.. I just want to tear up again like I did the day she passed. Ugh that so was clever of them to do that, I feel so emotionally invested whenever I hear the trailer on, I just love hearing her beautiful voice. It's like she's speaking about her own death and telling everyone that it's okay, these things happen in life and we have to keep our heads up and move foward.
I'm not okay. I havent cried in a while but, everytime I stop and really think about it, it makes me upset. She was so young and so ready to conquer the world; it just isnt fair. I would of loved to see her fufill her dreams, the husband, the kids, the house. It's so sad...
But, I hope they make this season avaiable on dvd. I would like to purchase it as it is the last footage she taped before she passed away. I think it should include her special and the spcial that will air on 12/30.
I am anticipating the premeire, I cant wait to see her happy, and having fun.
Dont believe everything you see or hear. People project onto others what they see in themselves. Love is love. Nothing takes that away.
I love Cara. This makes me wonder if something happened.. Why out of the blue would she post this? Last night I was thinking about it and wondered if maybe she finally saw CT and they talked, maybe he told her he was bothered by what the articles were saying, and this is what instigated her comments? I just found it strange that after a month, and after the us weekly article and people article, that she is making the comments about their love now. Dont get me wrong, I'm glad she did!! Cara is very close with CT, and she DEFINITELY wouldnt be tweeting this if it werent true. I'm just wondering what made her tweet them now and not when the articles came out? Thoughts anyone?
Diem did not have colon cancer. She had a metastatic ovarian cancer. It spread to her colon, stomach, stomach lining and eventually spread to her liver and lymph nodes. And even through it all, she kept that fighting spirit. What an Incredible Woman!
Sorry about your loved ones. I lost my grndmother to breast cancer and I have lost a couple of friends. Cancer freaking sucks!
These people and these stupid magazines you speak of, they are so insensitive. I realize as I get older people feel it is okay to judge others for no reason at all. I belive the quote goes, "Its the people that know you the least that judge you the most" These people dont know CT or Diem personally. All they know is a television show storyline and what "Sources" say about them. You would think people would show a little respect but, it is not a theme practiced in our world. At the end of the day, Diem was not perfect but who amongst us is? All I ask is that people who point the finger take a good look at themselves first.
Hammer62, the websites and blogs you saw are just the tip of the iceberg. The articles quoting "sources" and "friends" of Diem trashing CT are things that really got to me. I know what you mean, though. You can understand their desire to keep their renewed romance private; I can't imagine the "crazies" coming out of the woodwork to bring it down.
If you didn't get a chance to read it, here's a great tribute to D and her desire to be strong physically getting ready for the Battle of the Exes 2. http://www.sweatlifenyc.com/fitnessblog/2014/12/8/a-tribute-to-diem-brown
Diem was told after Battle of the Exes 1 that the return of her cancer meant she would never be in remission but rather it was stable. They also told her after climbing that glacier that she wouldn't live to see 2013. Her indomitable spirit and will to live kept her active and living her life to the fullest until Nov. 2014. She took that extra time and continued to give hope and inspiration to everyone who interacted with her. For that I am most grateful for the people whose lives she impacted, including mine.
Just to clarify, my sister and father both passed of colon cancer and physically they were not in a condition that would have allowed physical activity such that Diem was engaged (maybe did not articulate my response effectively as I was aware her cancer was different scope). I have alot of respect for how she competed under very difficult circumstances in which most people would have not even considered. The link you provided is outstanding and highlights her will to move forward under incredible adversity.
The lesson she leaves behind is an example of "living life to the fullest" understanding your time on earth is limited.......she was impactful and truly an inspiration.
As for CT and the negative comments towards him.....from my perspective he is a young man who was rejected by a woman he loved deeply who kept coming into his life at different times under various circumstances.......timing in life is everything. He was young, unruly, and enjoying the limelight...I am not going to fault him for that...(I walked that road and went into maturity kicking and screaming:). I don't doubt his devotion to her and even the "sources" have stated as much.
Have great day.
Thank you for your posts. They have been quite interesting to read. Diem was a super super WARRIOR. There are not enough positive adjectives to describe her. I find myself thinking about her most days. I'm sure that will lessen with time but I will never forget her EVER!
Exactly. I thought of that myself. There were 5 or 6 years that they could have been spending time together that they weren't. I'm sure they had to have discussed it, but I choose to believe they didn't dwell on it. You can't go back in time and undo it.
I'm sure they would have turned back time if they could but at least they got that last year together and made the most of it, but yeah, I have to admit if that were me losing my great love like that and I knew I could have had extra time with them but life didnt unfold that way....I do think it would be something that would naturally be on my mind a lot after my great love passed. I would try not to dwell on it and just move on but it would be hard. Five or six years is a short amount of time to lose when you think about it in the context of living 80 years but it's a long amount of time when you think about it in the context of 34 years.
It is a HUGE compliment for Diem to say she feels complete with CT and I know it had to have meant everything to him. Perhaps what is keeping CT together now and not making it so he goes off the rails is the fact that he and Diem did get to say everything they wanted to say to one another and I'm sure not much was left unsaid in terms of how they felt and I bet that has brought CT some piece of mind.
Thanks for the reply i agree. Also Cara is defending that love on twitter as we speak if you want to look
Dont believe everything you see or hear. People project onto others what they see in themselves. Love is love. Nothing takes that away.
And that's the truth. No one can understand them but them. Everyone else only has an opinion. It was never perfect but it was perfect for them and that is what mattered. Like I said before, Rivals2 was my favorite because it showed how the true depth of their relationship. The good, the bad, the beautiful. I was watching The Notebook last night (I know, I know, i'm a corny romantic. Sue me lol!) and this one quote came in one of my favorite scenes and I thought of them:
“The best love is the kind that awakens the soul and makes us reach for more, that plants a fire in our hearts and brings peace to our minds. And that's what you've given me. That's what I'd hoped to give you forever”
I thought it fit them so well.
Cara is such a sweetie! Her support of Diem was and is so touching. You can tell she loved that girl like her own family.
I noticed the comment about their love is no longer there. . .
It is still there. When you go to her page you have to click on Tweets & Replies to see it.
Not a fan of Cara but that was a really sweet post by Cara. She is 100% right, no one will ever understand what they had but them. All we know is it was real and they did love each other.
And that should be enough.
Perhaps what is keeping CT together now and not making it so he goes off the rails is the fact that he and Diem did get to say everything they wanted to say to one another and I'm sure not much was left unsaid in terms of how they felt and I bet that has brought CT some piece of mind.
This is my hope; they made complete peace with one another.
Another point that I did not understand was the reporting on CT and the marriage proposal's on the two occasions ....I would think it was a bittersweet gesture but I just cannot see this as not being earnest.....the comments in People stated possible self-promotion which does not add up when looking at his behavior....CT has shown no trend in self-promotion concerning Diem.....in fact he is nearly radio silent with the exception of his instragram tweets....maybe this changes when BOTE2 comes out due to MTV pressure.....but he has shown no real interest in giving anyone any insight....and good for him.
I am of two minds re: the proposal. Either he wanted to make her laugh (the ruby one) and/or he wanted to support her efforts to live and give her hope (the second one). From what I know, they planned to be together in the future. I don't think he would have shared that info regardless. The leak to the tabloids by Diem's friends/family seemed harsh. I don't know if it was done to make him look opportunistic or to shield her ex's feelings or both. I'm sure in the instant grief, it was easy to blame CT for her leaving the country to do a Challenge and, by extension, be the "cause" of her rapid demise. The coulda woulda shoulda guilt.
CT, his family, and his friends have kept their comments on Diem's death to a minimum in Social Media and in the press, a very respectful and mature way (my opinion) to commemorate her passing and their love.
Thanks! I'm glad to see that.
In memory of an amazing friend, excited to share that the @DiemBrownMTV #FSU Scholarship Fund has been established! https://one.fsu.edu/SSLPage.aspx?pid=809 …
Now that is a wonderful thing to share!!
I still can't view the pictures of her, near the end. It's too much for my stomach to take and it's mind-boggling that someone of her age and vibrance could be struck down so quickly.
It's still very upsetting.
Her last Instagram post also haunts me. I think it's still up and if I happen to glance at her IG page, I have to skip over it.
I, for one, don't believe she had a clue that she was about to pass away or not be able to make it to 35. One of her friends was quoted as saying that the day before she passed, she was trying to get home because she felt she'd get better, quicker, at her own place. It is soothing to know, at the end, she had made peace with moving on to the next life.
Geez, I just don't get it...
Personally, and this is because of limited information, I'm somewhat angry at her docs. I wish I knew who her "team" was that treated her, because I think this straight-up got missed. This is somewhat corrabarted by Alicia venting online about hopsitals and communication and tests at one hospital vs. another.
She's gone, I guess I have to accept that, but it should have been caught a bit earlier. I think some of her IG posts are telling that she was feeling/having some issues, about 6 months prior to collasping on the challenge...I know that's neither here nor there, but damn, the spread of it and where it was...well, never mind.
I am one of the CT and Diem fans that wanted them to be together at the end. I realize now how selfish that is of me, because that shouldn't matter. Diem had the people around her that she wanted to be around her. If CT wasn't there, then it's quite simply that she didn't want or need him there. I'm okay with that now. You don't nearly die on the operating table and keep people away that you want to be there. Being a married woman, my husband would be there even if he was too hyper, or even too upset, to be there.
Alicia and the rest of Diem's inner circle do not sing high praises of CT. I trust them and how well that they took care of her, that there was a reason for this. Why should I let my selfish picture of what I would have liked CT and Diem to be, to infiltratethe truth? Alicia, in her position, is well aware of how to come off in the media. I think she spoke eloquently and truthfully when she said that hey, it was complicated and maybe if they had more time, something else could have developed. Alas, I don't think this was the case.
I think CT was the bad boy of her life and she would always be drawn to him, but she probably would have found more stability with someone else. Hell, I think she could have been married to someone else, w/kids, and still pine for CT.
If he proposed with two rings, the ruby and the serious ring, is the ruby the only one pictured in one of his last IG posts? So, did he return the serious ring? Why not return the ruby that Diem dismissed because she disliked them? I guess it doesn't matter now. If he did take video of the proposal, I hope that never gets leaked. Ever.
I think the teenage fan girl in me, that grew up watching RW/RR/Challenges, wanted so much to believe that the fairy tale was true, to some extent.
The married adult realizes that I try to romanticize too much and that the truth is much more special than anything I could ever imagine.
Hi!!New user here!So glad I found this site to deal with the loss of Diem, cant believe its been a month. So far I am happy with how mtv has dealt with Diem's death and honouring her.
In regards to the whole CT/Diem stuff, the media articles have been really confusing, I think in part it has to do with how private Diem was about her relationships, for a very long time people didnt really know about her long term boyfriend. If indeed Diem's family werent fond of CT, why did he spend the holidays with them? And in regards to CT possibly being to blame for Diem going on the challenge, well noone can really blame CT, because Diem seemed to be a strong willed person and if she didnt want to go on the challenge she would not have gone.
All in all, Im glad she had family and friends surrounding her when she passed, and was able to live an enjoybale life with the limited time she had.
Honestly, I'm not even interested in where CT and Diem's relationship was when she passed. Over the last month I've realized how trivial and stupid this discussion is for me.
The one thing about D's illness that touched me was the group of women who surrounded her in her darkest hours. From all different ethnicities, walks of life, religion, ect. But they shared one common goal: surrounding Diem with love an support. Too often we hear that women don't support each other or women are catty and those group of girls shut ALL THAT DOWN. It was so beautiful to see them step up for their friends and show such unwaverring love to a woman who would do the same for them all. To me, the friendship between Alicia, Julie, Megan and sooo many others that helped Diem was a love story for the ages. Just magnificent and a true testimant to the words love, friendship and companionship. Hats off to them. They are the real MVP's.
As far as CT... Who the heck really knows? They don't owe me anything and i'm more than fine that. What I do know is that they were two people who shared a deep bond that many people, maybe not even themselves, could understand. The US weekly story has too many inconsitencies to count so i'll take it with a little more than a grain of salt. CT expressed what Diem meant to him and how he felt. I'll assume he was genuwine. He, his family, and his friends have nothing to gain by talking about Diem. Whatever her "inner circle" thinks about CT is irrelavant . Diem was fearless woman who made decisions that were bold and sometimes controversial but they were hers and she never apologized for it. Maybe not everyone loves CT and believe me he deserves some of the trepidation. But she accepted him for who he is, all the baggage and mistakes that he came with. And he accpeted her too. That's what this stupid, crazy thing we call love is all about, right?
And as usual... praying for the Brown family this Christmas. This is always a melancholy time of year for me due to my losses so I can understand the pain they're going through. May God bless them with a Merry Christmas filled with some smiles and laughter. And Alicia, and Julie, and all of Diem's besties. And the CT too. A brother and a lover... terrible.
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I think it's clear D & CT were together after Rivals II, and he was on good terms with both family and at least, Alicia. So the US weekly article seems a little bit bogus. It's despicable and ridiculous that they would even publish an article like that knowing well that her entire environment is going through a very rough time. It's putting him in a bad light and I think it's disrespecting Diem's integrity also, not cool. But as I said, I doubt it's fully accurate so that's that! Looking very forward to seeing her on January 6th, hope MTV do a good job with all the footage.
I agree that really in light of Diem's passing that whether CT and Diem were together or not seems a trivial thing to discuss (to debate it). Having said that, gotta just get it out there because it drives me nuts if I don't, they were together and very much in love. They just chose to keep things private. Chris was really good to her too, just as much there for her as Alicia, Megan, Julie and others. Having said that, if others disagree with me, I'm okay with that. I'm not here to have a debate. Let's say for the sake of argument some believe they weren't together....well even those that believe they were just friends only would still say that Chris was visiting with her and very much being there for her during those 3 months....that is something that we can all agree on I'm sure.
I like this post. I'm looking forward to seeing her on January 6th too. Ya'll don't forget the special airing on December 30th as well.
Makes me wonder if the special is one of Diem's "three episodes," and if we'll only get to see her in two episodes of the actual Challenge. I guess if there is new interview footage or whatever introducing her team, that's cool, but I'd rather get to see her play. Not much we could do about it - obviously she played for as long as she played for and nothing can change that - but when I think three episodes, I want three challenges.
what the ****, there's another special? i feel so out of the loop.
Yes it's called Ex-Baggage (something like that), and I assume it's a preview of the upcoming challenge....a preview of the teams, commentary being given....think similar to the preview for Rivals 2 hosted by Johanna, Kenny and Snooki....except with Diem and Knight's passing, this might be a different type of preview than in the past, a different tone to it than past challenge previews. With it airing on December 30th at 11 p.m., so close to New Year's, I wonder how many people are even going to know that it's on or be watching ya know. Yes, I am in agreement that I hope the 3 episodes that Diem is on means 3 of the regular episodes with the challenges....I hope they are not counting the preview show.
I agree that they were certainly together in some capacity.....mutual respect, love, protectors, friends ....I dont know the answer but they certainly did not speak of their relationship to the media.
It's weird, I felt that maybe 2 days or so after Diem's passing I let it go. Her special aired and I teared up a bit at the end when Aneesa did. But besides that, I've always felt okay because it wasn't so sudden so I was prepared.
But whenever that trailer airs and I hear Diem's voice with that quote.. I just want to tear up again like I did the day she passed. Ugh that so was clever of them to do that, I feel so emotionally invested whenever I hear the trailer on, I just love hearing her beautiful voice. It's like she's speaking about her own death and telling everyone that it's okay, these things happen in life and we have to keep our heads up and move foward.
I'm not okay. I havent cried in a while but, everytime I stop and really think about it, it makes me upset. She was so young and so ready to conquer the world; it just isnt fair. I would of loved to see her fufill her dreams, the husband, the kids, the house. It's so sad...
But, I hope they make this season avaiable on dvd. I would like to purchase it as it is the last footage she taped before she passed away. I think it should include her special and the spcial that will air on 12/30.
I am anticipating the premeire, I cant wait to see her happy, and having fun.
I love Cara. This makes me wonder if something happened.. Why out of the blue would she post this? Last night I was thinking about it and wondered if maybe she finally saw CT and they talked, maybe he told her he was bothered by what the articles were saying, and this is what instigated her comments? I just found it strange that after a month, and after the us weekly article and people article, that she is making the comments about their love now. Dont get me wrong, I'm glad she did!! Cara is very close with CT, and she DEFINITELY wouldnt be tweeting this if it werent true. I'm just wondering what made her tweet them now and not when the articles came out? Thoughts anyone?
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