[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;438785]That's why I have always said being the best competitor and player are different.[/QUOTE]
Susie is one of the best players/challengers.
KellyAnne is one of the best competitors.
Could KellyAnne beat Susie in an elimination? Absolutely. But when people come on here and say Susie is trash while praising someone like Kimberly it's like come on now, really?
It's always fun to watch delusional people run their mouths, especially when the evidence contradicts everything that they're saying. Susie literally states several times on The Ruins that she is afraid of going against KellyAnne in the ruins, and somehow people are still trying to say that she wasn't afraid of KellyAnne.
[QUOTE=JayTee;438790]Susie is one of the best players/challengers.
KellyAnne is one of the best competitors.
Could KellyAnne beat Susie in an elimination? Absolutely. But when people come on here and say Susie is trash while praising someone like Kimberly it's like come on now, really?[/QUOTE]
That might be because they don't like Susie's personality and like Kim's. I personally like all three girls.
[QUOTE=toenails;438791]It's always fun to watch delusional people run their mouths, especially when the evidence contradicts everything that they're saying. Susie literally states several times on The Ruins that she is afraid of going against KellyAnne in the ruins, and somehow people are still trying to say that she wasn't afraid of KellyAnne.[/QUOTE]
Let's say it's me and the other team has CT, Landon and Adam King on their team while I'm the only male on my team. Why the hell would I put myself in a situation to face off against a beast when the final is right around the corner? Call me "scared" all you want, but only an idiot would go against someone good right before the final. And you want to talk about the word "delusional" ha.
[QUOTE=JayTee;438795]Let's say it's me and the other team has CT, Landon and Adam King on their team while I'm the only male on my team. Why the hell would I put myself in a situation to face off against a beast when the final is right around the corner? Call me "scared" all you want, but only an idiot would go against someone good right before the final. And you want to talk about the word "delusional" ha.[/QUOTE]
It's just hilarious when people make nonsensical excuses to defend some castmembers. If you try to actively avoid going against a certain player in an elimination round, you are [I]afraid[/I] of that player. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. To say that Susie was not afraid of KellyAnne is, in fact, delusional, because Susie herself states otherwise in her interviews.
[QUOTE=toenails;438833]It's just hilarious when people make nonsensical excuses to defend some castmembers. If you try to actively avoid going against a certain player in an elimination round, you are [I]afraid[/I] of that player. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. To say that Susie was not afraid of KellyAnne is, in fact, delusional, because Susie herself states otherwise in her interviews.[/QUOTE]
So I guess someone like Bananas is scared of everyone huh? Since he doesn't want to go into an elimination against anyone.
I do remember Susie saying she doesn't want to go in against KellyAnne. I don't think she exactly said she was afraid but she didn't want to go in with her at all. It was the final elimination before the final and she didn't want to risk it which she was smart about but to say she wasn't afraid is wrong cause she was but she had all the right to be.
[QUOTE=JayTee;438851]So I guess someone like Bananas is scared of everyone huh? Since he doesn't want to go into an elimination against anyone.[/QUOTE]
Bananas isn't afraid of weaker players like Isaac but he definitely doesn't want to go toe-to-toe with people who are as good/better than he is.
[QUOTE=toenails;438856]Bananas isn't afraid of weaker players like Isaac but he definitely doesn't want to go toe-to-toe with people who are as good/better than he is.[/QUOTE]
Who would!? Other than CT, nobody wants to go in and face someone strong in an elimination. Even Landon was sweating bullets on Duel 2 when he got voted in. As for girls, I believe only Laurel, Evelyn and Sarah aren't afraid of anyone.
[QUOTE=JayTee;438978]Who would!? Other than CT, nobody wants to go in and face someone strong in an elimination. Even Landon was sweating bullets on Duel 2 when he got voted in. As for girls, I believe only Laurel, Evelyn and Sarah aren't afraid of anyone.[/QUOTE]
That is exactly the point. There are very few people on The Challenge who are not afraid of anybody.
[QUOTE=toenails;438987]That is exactly the point. There are very few people on The Challenge who are not afraid of anybody.[/QUOTE]
Hypothetically speaking, let's say Susie was "so scared" of KA, how does that discredit her as an elite challenger? Lots of great competitors don't go looking for eliminations just because they're not "scared".
I don't believe Susie was so frightened by either KA or Sarah, I believe she just acknowledged the fact that they're good competitors and the easy way to the big money was to face Casey. I would have done the same thing. This wasn't Susie's first rodeo, she was there for the money while Sarah was there to prove herself or something.
Susie is a solid competitor. Yeah there are a lot of girls that are stronger than her and can beat her in an elimination. However, IMO Susie has the best political game out of any girl I've seen. The ruins she proved how smart at the game she is. She came up with the Kellyanne VS Evelyn plan, nominated herself as one of the three people everytime except once to make sure the plans were executed, the only time she wasn't part of one of the three, the plan didn't go through and it ended up being Ibsis but I gurantee if Susie was in there then it would have been Veronica VS Kellyanne right off the bat. Susie knows how to get **** done. Evan & Susie ran the game on the ruins pretty much on both teams. Smartest girl player to play the game. Is she the strongest? No but she knows what she is doing.
[QUOTE=JayTee;438993]Hypothetically speaking, let's say Susie was "so scared" of KA, how does that discredit her as an elite challenger? Lots of great competitors don't go looking for eliminations just because they're not "scared".
I don't believe Susie was so frightened by either KA or Sarah, I believe she just acknowledged the fact that they're good competitors and the easy way to the big money was to face Casey. I would have done the same thing. This wasn't Susie's first rodeo, she was there for the money while Sarah was there to prove herself or something.[/QUOTE]
Not hypothetical. Susie said herself in her interviews that she didn't want to face KellyAnne in an elimination.
Show me where I said that Susie picking Casey wasn't a smart decision. Oh that's right...I never said that. My point (which many people seem to be missing) was that Susie feared KellyAnne as a competitor. It's not even an argument, since Susie herself confirms what I'm saying with her own words. It was a statement of fact.
And Evan ran the game on The Ruins. Susie volunteered for every deliberation because that is what she was instructed to do by Evan.
[QUOTE=toenails;439121]Not hypothetical. Susie said herself in her interviews that she didn't want to face KellyAnne in an elimination.
Show me where I said that Susie picking Casey wasn't a smart decision. Oh that's right...I never said that. My point (which many people seem to be missing) was that Susie feared KellyAnne as a competitor. It's not even an argument, since Susie herself confirms what I'm saying with her own words. It was a statement of fact.
And Evan ran the game on The Ruins. Susie volunteered for every deliberation because that is what she was instructed to do by Evan.[/QUOTE]
Because KellyAnne is a risk...you never take that risk if you don't have to
Susie volunteered because she wasn't worrying about losing in an elimination round and wanted to be able to control things. She knew she was better for that than Johanna.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;439129]Because KellyAnne is a risk...you never take that risk if you don't have to
Susie volunteered because she wasn't worrying about losing in an elimination round and wanted to be able to control things. She knew she was better for that than Johanna.[/QUOTE]
You're contradicting yourself. If Susie "wasn't worrying about losing in an elimination round" then she would not have perceived going against KellyAnne as "a risk". She clearly worried about losing an elimination round to KellyAnne, hence why she actively tried to avoid going against her.
I'm trying to make this as easy to comprehend as possible, since people are either in denial or they just really don't get it.
[QUOTE=toenails;439156]You're contradicting yourself. If Susie "wasn't worrying about losing in an elimination round" then she would not have perceived going against KellyAnne as "a risk". She clearly worried about losing an elimination round to KellyAnne, hence why she actively tried to avoid going against her.
I'm trying to make this as easy to comprehend as possible, since people are either in denial or they just really don't get it.[/QUOTE]
Because KellyAnne would have never called her out until the end when only Susie was left and Susie wasn't going to have to face her if her team won. There's no contradiction.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;439166]Because KellyAnne would have never called her out until the end when only Susie was left and Susie wasn't going to have to face her if her team won. There's no contradiction.[/QUOTE]
The contradiction you (and others) are making is that you're claiming Susie is fearless and unafraid of all of her opponents, when Susie's own words invalidate this claim. Susie did not want to face KellyAnne [I]because[/I] she feared the risk of losing to KellyAnne.
[QUOTE=JayTee;438468]People are such idiots on this board. I bet the same people that say Susie sucks would say that Kimberly is good.
smh. we need more members that have an iq above 70.[/QUOTE]
Not sure you should be calling anyone here an idiot. Weren't you the one that was denying basic math and probability when people were talking about the chances of flipping the kill card? Taking shots at you is too easy so I wouldn't put yourself out there if I were you. Just a word of advice.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;438453]Just throwing this out there:
Paula did throw the first female mission on the Inferno 3, she was in on the plan to get Rachel in the Inferno.
I don't think Susie ever said she was afraid of KellyAnne. However, I do remember 100% that she said KA was overrated by a lot of people on both teams.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KChallenge10;438854]I do remember Susie saying she doesn't want to go in against KellyAnne. I don't think she exactly said she was afraid but she didn't want to go in with her at all. It was the final elimination before the final and she didn't want to risk it which she was smart about but to say she wasn't afraid is wrong cause she was but she had all the right to be.[/QUOTE]
Her compliant response to going against Kim was because "let's face it, the boys on the team could make me go against Kelly Anne if they wanted to."
Later than that she said "I don't want to go against Kelly Anne because she's a fembot and she could clearly beat me because I'm a mortal."
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that is enough evidence spoon fed for you to see that she was afraid of her. I don't even see how that could be spelled out more for people. I'm not even sure how this was missed anyways considering that the topic of any champion girl going against Kelly Anne was the center of many of the conflicts on the show. Whether or not you agree that Kelly Anne is a good competitor, overrated doesn't change the fact that the champion girls were clearly doing their best to avoid confrontation with her either through their actions or their own words.
Are people giving Susie credit for her so called amazing politics on Inferno 3? Getting your best friend and the pawns Paula and Colie, the ultimate followers and sheep, to listen to you isn't impressive. They're not exactly the most outspoken and independent people lol. Pretty sure by the end of the season her whole entire team wanted Susie's head on a platter and would have thrown her in if it were up to them.
If Susie were this master manipulator on the Inferno 3 then she was clearly doing a horrible job at it considering that the Bad ***** threw her in every single time. Why would she be manipulating her teammates when they weren't even the ones deciding her fate? She tried talking to Kenny towards the end but that obviously didn't work for her. She should have been "manipulating" the rest of the Bad ***** to keep herself out of the eliminations.
These debates are complete circle jerks.
If you had the option of not going into elimination vs. going into elimination, the choice is obvious.
Even though C.T. probably isn't afraid of anyone, he more than anyone definitely knows you can lose regardless of how much "better" or "comparable" you are than/to someone else.
Once you're sent into elimination, would you take Preston or CT if you really had to choose? I think the choice is almost obvious, again. Once your stuck in the worse situation, you're going to be sizing up the competition regardless. If you aren't at all nervous than good for you, but regardless, but I'm sure at least once every challenger thinks, "Damn I could go home tonight".
Susie is an elite challenger of the real veterans like CT, just a versatile player. It's really a non-point whether someone thinks it's risky to go against someone or not
[QUOTE=v123;439431]Not sure you should be calling anyone here an idiot. Weren't you the one that was denying basic math and probability when people were talking about the chances of flipping the kill card? Taking shots at you is too easy so I wouldn't put yourself out there if I were you. Just a word of advice.[/quote]
No? You're the insecure one who started crying because I didn't agree with you on a certain topic. Hop off my sack please.
Hey, can you go discuss it at General thread? I get really excited seeing new post here, hoping thst someone have put their opinions about elimination and all I see is this fight. I do not want to be rude :)
Sooo... best round at FA? Mine is Nia vs Cara probably
[QUOTE=kollanekoer;439593]
Sooo... best round at FA? Mine is Nia vs Cara probably[/QUOTE]
Nia vs cara definitely my favorite! I also loved seeing Jessica perform against CM. Even though I'm not much of fan, I was rooting for Jess hahaa.
Inferno 2: Abe vs Brad and Julie vs Tonya
Gauntlet 2: Timmy vs Derrick
The Duel: Svetlana vs Beth and CT vs Brad
Inferno 3: Jenn vs Rachel
Gauntlet 3: Coral vs Beth and Johnny vs Evan
Duel 2: Kim vs Ruthie and Landon vs Brad
Ruins: KellyAnne vs Ev
CutThroat: CT vs Johnny and Tyler
Rivals: Jonna and Jazmine vs Sarah and Katelynn
Exes: don't remember any but I'll say Johnny and Camila vs Mark and Robin
Seasons: CJ vs Zach
Rivals 2: Diem and Aneesa vs Jemmy and Camila
FA: Nia vs Cara
Do you all feel that Brad is a strong competitor? His victory vs Landon was impressive no matter if you think he DQ'd into a win or not. If he had stayed on The Ruins do you think he could have beaten Evan or Kenny?
[QUOTE=toenails;439972]Do you all feel that Brad is a strong competitor? His victory vs Landon was impressive no matter if you think he DQ'd into a win or not. If he had stayed on The Ruins do you think he could have beaten Evan or Kenny?[/QUOTE]
No he'd lose to either
Brad is a strong competitor, but he's no match for the Kings of Kings (JEK).
I would rank Brad in the level 4 tier along people like Alton and Abram.
CT, Landon, JEK, Miz, Theo are some examples of the level 5 tier.
[QUOTE=JayTee;440025]Brad is a strong competitor, but he's no match for the Kings of Kings (JEK).
I would rank Brad in the level 4 tier along people like Alton and Abram.
CT, Landon, JEK, Miz, Theo are some examples of the level 5 tier.[/QUOTE]
Replace Bananas and Kenny from there and I would agree.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;440029]Replace Bananas and Kenny from there and I would agree.[/QUOTE]
Bananas is a 5 time champ and has won on a team format, pair format and individual format and people still doubt him. Pathetic on your part dude. Just because you don't like someone's personality doesn't mean you should third their accomplishments and how well they play the game.
And unless you're Landon or Darrell, there's no beating Kenny in a final 1v1.
[QUOTE=JayTee;440030]Bananas is a 5 time champ and has won on a team format, pair format and individual format and people still doubt him. Pathetic on your part dude. Just because you don't like someone's personality doesn't mean you should third their accomplishments and how well they play the game.
And unless you're Landon or Darrell, there's no beating Kenny in a final 1v1.[/QUOTE]
Are you talking about Kenny in an elimination round? He got beaten by Nehemiah... Kenny is great at finals and undoubtedly an amazing strategist but I get the feeling elimination rounds aren't his strong suit. I definitely think Brad could take him.
[QUOTE=JayTee;440030]Bananas is a 5 time champ and has won on a team format, pair format and individual format and people still doubt him. Pathetic on your part dude. Just because you don't like someone's personality doesn't mean you should third their accomplishments and how well they play the game.
And unless you're Landon or Darrell, there's no beating Kenny in a final 1v1.[/QUOTE]
He's improved and done well, I would say he is top 15, but others outclass him.
That's great, but his average at best in missions. I think you should take your own advice: you love JEK, but at least you should how Kenny isn't an elite competitor.
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