[QUOTE=Youssarian;438318]Didn't Susie lose a Pit on VR too? To whom and what game was it?[/QUOTE]
Susie threw that Pit because she knew the next Pit, she was coming back easily. She was right.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;438387]Susie threw that Pit because she knew the next Pit, she was coming back easily. She was right.[/QUOTE]
Correct--it was strategy...she threw it to Angel I believe
[QUOTE=v123;438290]I think Susie is a good competitor but her "undefeated" title only looks good on paper. IMO I think even Aneesa's elimination history is far more impressive just because of the manner in which she's defeated(Paula, Tori, Robin, Jonna) or lost(Laurel) to her opponents. Susie struggled with Kim(one of the thinnest girls on the show), edged out Bri the unproven rookie by a nano second, and caught Jenn when she was out of shape with a jammed carabiner. None of her elimination rounds were ever even close to decisive except against Casey. Now if you told me that Susie beat Kelly Anne in Beach Brawl or Jenn(Cutthroat form) in Push Over or Paula in Pole Me Over decisively than I would give her all the credit in the world but as of now her record is just a meaningless numbers game. Still think she is a solid competitor though a bit overrated.[/QUOTE]
Susie's on almost no one's list as a great competitor but she's one of the best strategic players...combine that with her being a "solid competitor" and she's one of the best to play the game.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438393]Correct--it was strategy...she threw it to Angel I believe[/QUOTE]
It still doesn't make sense to me, what's the point of going to the pit if you can stay at the RV.
If I recall correctly, I read here that production rigged Susie's inferno vs Jenn so that Susie would win. If you watch it you can clearly see Jenn struggling with the weight attached to her, while Susie flies up and down the ladder with no problem.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;438397]It still doesn't make sense to me, what's the point of going to the pit if you can stay at the RV.[/QUOTE]
Because Susie didn't care about missions. Being in The Pit was much better for someone like Susie
[QUOTE=nevidcm;438401]Susie is so annoying,[B] everytime she talks I feel like I wanna kill myself[/B]. I hope we never see her again[/QUOTE]
This alone is reason enough for me want to see her again :cower:
Susie is [B]COMPLETELY[/B] overrated as a strategist.
She made it to the end of Extreme Challenge, a Challenge which had no elimination rounds...No strategy involved there.
She skated to the end of Gauntlet 2, escaping the last Gauntlet with Kina only because Jill was on the chopping block before she was. Besides Susie and Cara's inane attempt to get the Veteran men to throw girl missions in exchange for them throwing guy missions (which itself was an awful long-term strategy because that would leave the Vets with mostly men and the Rookies with mostly women), there was no strategy on Susie's part to get to the end. She just got lucky because Kina perceived Jill as the weaker competitor.
She [I]competed[/I] well on Inferno 3, but her only [I]strategy[/I] on that season from what I recall is getting Cara to give weaker performances in the missions to help her win the Life Shield, along with screwing over Paula on the last mission. Susie is supposedly such a superb politician and strategist, and she got voted into the inferno 4 times by the other team...
The Ruins was her most strategy-intensive season, and even Susie admitted in her interviews that she was just riding JEK's coattails. She was in JEK's alliance only because JEK needed a 2nd woman to secure the majority of the 6-person vote in deliberation. She was not responsible for creating the 4-way strategy; she just did what she was told. And even with all of that, Susie still went into the Ruins 3 times.
It seems that every semi-adequate female who makes it to the end is considered a "good strategist".
[QUOTE=toenails;438429]Susie is [B]COMPLETELY[/B] overrated as a strategist.
She made it to the end of Extreme Challenge, a Challenge which had no elimination rounds...No strategy involved there.
She skated to the end of Gauntlet 2, escaping the last Gauntlet with Kina only because Jill was on the chopping block before she was. Besides Susie and Cara's inane attempt to get the Veteran men to throw girl missions in exchange for them throwing guy missions (which itself was an awful long-term strategy because that would leave the Vets with mostly men and the Rookies with mostly women), there was no strategy on Susie's part to get to the end. She just got lucky because Kina perceived Jill as the weaker competitor.
She [I]competed[/I] well on Inferno 3, but her only [I]strategy[/I] on that season from what I recall is getting Cara to give weaker performances in the missions to help her win the Life Shield, along with screwing over Paula on the last mission. Susie is supposedly such a superb politician and strategist, and she got voted into the inferno 4 times by the other team...
The Ruins was her most strategy-intensive season, and even Susie admitted in her interviews that she was just riding JEK's coattails. She was in JEK's alliance only because JEK needed a 2nd woman to secure the majority of the 6-person vote in deliberation. She was not responsible for creating the 4-way strategy; she just did what she was told. And even with all of that, Susie still went into the Ruins 3 times.
It seems that every semi-adequate female who makes it to the end is considered a "good strategist".[/QUOTE]
Extreme Challenge--you're correct
Gauntlet 2--she wasn't even next as all the guys on that team had her back other than Randy
Inferno 3--she didn't care that she was voted in as she had no control over that. She got every girl on that team other than Rachel to throw her the pardon including Paula. That was all strategy
The Ruins--she came up with KellyAnne vs. Evelyn and even Evan stated that Susie was better at the game than Johnny.
Anyone that can't give Susie credit is either biased or flat out stupid. Pick which fits you best.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438430]Extreme Challenge--you're correct
Gauntlet 2--she wasn't even next as all the guys on that team had her back other than Randy
Inferno 3--she didn't care that she was voted in as she had no control over that. She got every girl on that team other than Rachel to throw her the pardon including Paula. That was all strategy
The Ruins--she came up with KellyAnne vs. Evelyn and even Evan stated that Susie was better at the game than Johnny.
Anyone that can't give Susie credit is either biased or flat out stupid. Pick which fits you best.[/QUOTE]
Gauntlet 2: Indeed, she wasn't next. Jillian was next, as I stated. Reading comprehension is an important skill to master.
Inferno 3: Pretty sure Susie did not "get every girl to throw her the life shield". The other girls on her team just happened to suck.
The Ruins: And what was the result of KellyAnne vs Evelyn? Susie was better than Johnny during the period which Johnny was still low on the totem pole. Evan and Kenny were still better than Susie.
Anyone that calls Susie "one of the best strategists to play the game" is either biased or flat out stupid. Pick which fits you best.
[QUOTE=toenails;438433]Gauntlet 2: Indeed, she wasn't next. Jillian was next, as I stated. Reading comprehension is an important skill to master.
Inferno 3: Pretty sure Susie did not "get every girl to throw her the life shield". The other girls on her team just happened to suck.
The Ruins: And what was the result of KellyAnne vs Evelyn? Susie was better than Johnny during the period which Johnny was still low on the totem pole. Evan and Kenny were still better than Susie.
Anyone that calls Susie "one of the best strategists to play the game" is either biased or flat out stupid. Pick which fits you best.[/QUOTE]
You need to rewatch G2...Ibis was next...Jillian went in
I3--Paula threw the first one, Colie threw both she was there for (would have struggled anyway) and Cara threw all 4...that's strategy
The Ruins--the result of KellyAnne-Ev was that Wes knew he had to fall in line--as he did. Losing Ev didn't hurt them at all. Evan & Kenny are on par with Susie and Evan would be the first to admit that.
Didn't the Rookies decide the captain gets to choose who they go against on G2? If they didn't fight Kina on choosing Jillian, I'm not sure they would've on Susie. Especially after the whole alliance business.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438435]You need to rewatch G2...Ibis was next...Jillian went in
I3--Paula threw the first one, Colie threw both she was there for (would have struggled anyway) and Cara threw all 4...that's strategy
The Ruins--the result of KellyAnne-Ev was that Wes knew he had to fall in line--as he did. Losing Ev didn't hurt them at all. Evan & Kenny are on par with Susie and Evan would be the first to admit that.[/QUOTE]
Kina would never throw Ibis in. Their whole storyline was about how close their friendship was. Susie was next after Jill.
Paula did not throw any of them. Colie sucks so her trying vs her throwing is indistinguishable. Cara throwing is again something I addressed in the original post.
Wes fell in line because Johanna threatened to sell his house. Susie had nothing to do with that. Losing Ev caused the rest of the Champ girls to******* up and go into the Ruins, which ultimately led to Susie going in thrice. Evan and Kenny created the entire 4-way strategy; they were the McCartney and Lennon while Susie and Johanna were the Ringo Starr and George Harrison that just did what they were told to do.
[QUOTE=toenails;438440]Kina would never throw Ibis in. Their whole storyline was about how close their friendship was. Susie was next after Jill.
Paula did not throw any of them. Colie sucks so her trying vs her throwing is indistinguishable. Cara throwing is again something I addressed in the original post.
Wes fell in line because Johanna threatened to sell his house. Susie had nothing to do with that. Losing Ev caused the rest of the Champ girls to******* up and go into the Ruins, which ultimately led to Susie going in thrice. Evan and Kenny created the entire 4-way strategy; they were the McCartney and Lennon while Susie and Johanna were the Ringo Starr and George Harrison that just did what they were told to do.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely not--Ibis was next and Ibis knew it
Paula threw the first one to send in Rachel.
Johanna's threat was a factor and Wes knew he had no control. That they'd target KellyAnne until she was gone and Susie made sure of that. Susie isn't afraid of going into an elimination round--see her record. Tonya getting tossed is the only thing that hurt her.
Evan clearly states otherwise.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;438353]Kim is a smaller small than Susie so the fact that she lasted as long as she did was imoressive.[/QUOTE]
Kim is not smaller than Susie lol Kim is taller and most likely weighs more since they're both real skinny.
Susie is a beast. Get over it.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438441]Absolutely not--Ibis was next and Ibis knew it
Paula threw the first one to send in Rachel.
Johanna's threat was a factor and Wes knew he had no control. That they'd target KellyAnne until she was gone and Susie made sure of that. Susie isn't afraid of going into an elimination round--see her record. Tonya getting tossed is the only thing that hurt her.
Evan clearly states otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. Kina would protect Ibis over Susie. Not everyone plays fair.
No she didn't.
Johanna's threat was the sole reason Wes fell in line. Susie clearly stated in her interviews that she was afraid of going against KellyAnne, as was Johanna/Veronica/Ibis. To "target KellyAnne" would mean the girls throwing themselves against someone they'd lose to.
No he doesn't.
[QUOTE=toenails;438448]Wrong. Kina would protect Ibis over Susie. Not everyone plays fair.
No she didn't.
Johanna's threat was the sole reason Wes fell in line. Susie clearly stated in her interviews that she was afraid of going against KellyAnne, as was Johanna/Veronica/Ibis. To "target KellyAnne" would mean the girls throwing themselves against someone they'd lose to.
No he doesn't.[/QUOTE]
And Kina wouldn't have been allowed to make that call.
Yes, she did
Wrong
Yes, he did.
Just throwing this out there:
Paula did throw the first female mission on the Inferno 3, she was in on the plan to get Rachel in the Inferno.
I don't think Susie ever said she was afraid of KellyAnne. However, I do remember 100% that she said KA was overrated by a lot of people on both teams.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;438453]Just throwing this out there:
Paula did throw the first female mission on the Inferno 3, she was in on the plan to get Rachel in the Inferno.
I don't think Susie ever said she was afraid of KellyAnne. However, I do remember 100% that she said KA was overrated by a lot of people on both teams.[/QUOTE]
She said on the show she wasn't going to go against her and that she's a "fembot"
Susie is way to smart to go against her or Sarah because she knew she'd lose if it was physical
[QUOTE=Morris1721;438453]Just throwing this out there:
Paula did throw the first female mission on the Inferno 3, she was in on the plan to get Rachel in the Inferno.
I don't think Susie ever said she was afraid of KellyAnne. However, I do remember 100% that she said KA was overrated by a lot of people on both teams.[/QUOTE]
Oh god, it was obvious she was afraid of Kellyanne. She almost got beat by Brianna and Kim put up a great fight against her. Kellyanne would demolish Susie.
Susie's not stupid...she wasn't going to go against KellyAnne. KellyAnne was the only girl that really could have beat her. Maybe Sarah but back then Sarah wasn't as good as she is now
Debut saying she sucks should be all the proof anyone needs that she doesn't
[QUOTE=Debut Album;438457]Susie sucks and is overrated. Plain and Simple.[/QUOTE]
One of the few times we absolutely agree. She is undefeated, but the only girls she beat were Jenn (she was good, but not as good as now), Brianna (almost lost), Kimberly (I'll give her this one) and Casey (one of the worst competitors), nothing to brag about.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;438462]One of the few times we absolutely agree. She is undefeated, but the only girls she beat were Jenn (she was good, but not as good as now), Brianna (almost lost), Kimberly (I'll give her this one) and Casey (one of the worst competitors), nothing to brag about.[/QUOTE]
4 seasons...4 finals...4-0 in eliminations...2 wins
Definitely "sucks" :confused-new:
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438461]Susie's not stupid...she wasn't going to go against KellyAnne. KellyAnne was the only girl that really could have beat her. Maybe Sarah but back then Sarah wasn't as good as she is now
Debut saying she sucks should be all the proof anyone needs that she doesn't[/QUOTE]
Sarah had the size advantage but if it wasnt physical Sarah might lose.
I can't stand Susie and I wish she sucked but she's good which is what's bad like with bananas, I want them to be bad but they aren't
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438461]Susie's not stupid...she wasn't going to go against KellyAnne. KellyAnne was the only girl that really could have beat her. Maybe Sarah but back then Sarah wasn't as good as she is now
[B]Debut saying she sucks should be all the proof anyone needs that she doesn't[/B][/QUOTE]
And you saying she doesn't suck is proof that she does.
People are such idiots on this board. I bet the same people that say Susie sucks would say that Kimberly is good.
smh. we need more members that have an iq above 70.
Ok, Susie doesn't suck, but she isn't that great.
Extreme Challenge - it wasn't a challenge per se and everyone made the final
Gauntlet 2 - almost half the cast made the final. Also that final was a joke
Inferno 3 - the girls side sucked except for Paula and Cara, and Cara was practically handing the life shields to Susie
The Ruins - I'll give her this one, she did really good in this one and her win was deserved
She did really good on the Ruins, but on her other seasons she was average.
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