The Challenge: Rivals II - Cast (Spoilers)

[QUOTE=LexBlair;339260]Since Vets vs Rooks isn´t happening, I am kinda hoping for a Duel too... I just feel like it would almost be too predictable with so many fillers there... Top 4-5 is pretty much given from the got go..IMO (in no particular order) Males: Johnny, CT, Frank, Dunbar, Zach, Females: Emily, Camila, Sarah, Diem, (Cooke)[/QUOTE] I feel like that's what bmp wants with this cast anyway. For ratings

I wouldn't mind a Battle if the Sexes (as long as missions are fair). They could bring back the inner circle and have a scoreboard. And if they wanted to do elimination round they could have the inner circle vote on the person to face the person at the bottom of the scoreboard. I also wouldn't mind them doing a duel with this cast, but I feel like there are too many people for that.

[QUOTE=Nostalgic;339236]V1, what do you mean by reshoots? Sounds like the Hills route. And didn't you once say in The Island threads that they faked the drop-offs?[/QUOTE] Reshoots -- It usually seems like TJ does the opening in one take. He doesn't. They edit it together. The Island -- It was reported by the local media that the drop offs were faked. Cast members confirmed it later.

VERY WRONG 17 Seasons,1 Rivals,10 Exes, 5 Rookies LAME Fans are gonna Pissed if its the complete Cast!!!

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339261]Take out Diem & Dunbar and change Frank to Leroy and we'd agree on the top 4 I think Emily or Cooke wins going away if this is a Duel.[/QUOTE] Emily won´t win a Duel, I know people won´t like this but it´s true... No matter what kind of a beast somebody is physically,(and I know, she is the beastiest beast out there;) the finals always have some sort of puzzle(usually more than one) and ppl always tend to forget how bad Emily is at puzzles... And as for Cooke.. we have never seen anything of her before... So why she does seem to be physically strong we never know how she will actually fare in this environment(see Zach for example...hailed as the new CT and well...you see how that turned out) I believe if Diem were to make it to the finals(which I don´t really belive) she´d have the best shot..IMO As for the guys, hate to say it but Johnny or Frank, without a doubt..

[QUOTE=LexBlair;339270]Emily won´t win a Duel, I know people won´t like this but it´s true... No matter what kind of a beast somebody is physically,(and I know, she is the beastiest beast out there;) the finals always have some sort of puzzle(usually more than one) and ppl always tend to forget how bad Emily is at puzzles... And as for Cooke.. we have never seen anything of her before... So why she does seem to be physically strong we never know how she will actually fare in this environment(see Zach for example...hailed as the new CT and well...you see how that turned out) I believe if Diem were to make it to the finals(which I don´t really belive) she´d have the best shot..IMO As for the guys, hate to say it but Johnny or Frank, without a doubt..[/QUOTE] Rachel won a Duel and sucks at puzzles as well. It depends on what the puzzle is. I don't think Diem has any shot to make the final which is why I don't include her in my top 4 I think Leroy & Emily would be the clear favorites in a Duel--they're so superior athletically they can make up for their lack of intelligence unless it is a puzzle in an elimination round--all JMO And, Zach wasn't elite but he went 2-0 in eliminations with Sam and won (something CT has yet to do)

If it were a Duel, I think the Rookies would end up taking themselves out because you'd rather face weaker, in-experienced players. But these one on one eliminations bring out the best in players. Aneesa made it far on both Duels. Who's to say Nany couldn't replicate that? Or Zach can't take out a Johnny or Leroy. As it chops down, you're gonna start getting to those all-star match ups. I like a Duel set up. But I don't think they're gonna go that route either.

I hate to admit it but I think frank would have the best shot to win in the duel if he he makes it to the final

[QUOTE=Meelz;339274]If it were a Duel, I think the Rookies would end up taking themselves out because you'd rather face weaker, in-experienced players. But these one on one eliminations bring out the best in players. Aneesa made it far on both Duels. [B]Who's to say Nany couldn't replicate that?[/B] Or Zach can't take out a Johnny or Leroy. As it chops down, you're gonna start getting to those all-star match ups. I like a Duel set up. But I don't think they're gonna go that route either.[/QUOTE] I don't see Nany as an Aneesa--what am I missing?

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339277]I don't see Nany as an Aneesa--what am I missing?[/QUOTE] I only say that because she's aggressive & I think on BotS, she looked like she outweighed quite a few girls. Not saying she's fat, but yeah.

[QUOTE=Meelz;339279]I only say that because she's aggressive & I think on BotS, she looked like she outweighed quite a few girls. Not saying she's fat, but yeah.[/QUOTE] Maybe you're right but I don't see it. Now, Theresa is someone that could be "Aneesa" or "Svetlana" IMO

[QUOTE=Meelz;339279]I only say that because she's aggressive & I think on BotS, she looked like she outweighed quite a few girls. [B]Not saying she's fat, but yeah.[/B][/QUOTE] I bet Frank would.

[QUOTE=LexBlair;339270][B]Emily won´t win a Duel, I know people won´t like this but it´s true... No matter what kind of a beast somebody is physically,(and I know, she is the beastiest beast out there;) the finals always have some sort of puzzle(usually more than one) and ppl always tend to forget how bad Emily is at puzzles...[/B] And as for Cooke.. we have never seen anything of her before... So why she does seem to be physically strong we never know how she will actually fare in this environment(see Zach for example...hailed as the new CT and well...you see how that turned out) I believe if Diem were to make it to the finals(which I don´t really belive) she´d have the best shot..IMO As for the guys, hate to say it but Johnny or Frank, without a doubt..[/QUOTE] Just because Emily is not too good at puzzles doesn't mean she can't win a Final in a Duel or that shes bad at all puzzles, so it depends on the puzzles, etc. She's so physically strong and has allot of endurance, so she will be moving fast. Also some "puzzles" aren't really mental, some check points are mini challenges, and she will quickly do those, as oppose to her competitors who would probably take more time. In other words, Emily would dominate a "Duel" theme challenge, eliminate (easily) a couple of girls in the process, and win allot of daily challenges. And win the final. :) Btw, as much as I LOVE "The Duel", I don't think it should happen without Queen Evelyn, just no. Not with this cast. At this point, I hope is a "new theme" but only time will tell.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339272]Rachel won a Duel and sucks at puzzles as well. It depends on what the puzzle is. I don't think Diem has any shot to make the final which is why I don't include her in my top 4 I think Leroy & Emily would be the clear favorites in a Duel--they're so superior athletically they can make up for their lack of intelligence unless it is a puzzle in an elimination round--all JMO[/QUOTE] Rachel never sucked at puzzles. I don´t know where you got that from...She was always the strategist, the fox... As for Diem, I think she could probably fly under the radar or eliminate some total weaklings since there are so many below-average competitors this time around, plus she is totally drama-free which is usually good... Sure she is not the beast as some others are but she is a rather well-rounded competitor, who does not lack that much in any department, really... Also it´s not about puzzles during challenges it´s about puzzles [B]at finals[/B](ALWAYS present) and sorry but it´so freaking easy to overtake somebody at a puzzle, we see it happening every season(take Exes for example, I believe they traded places like 4 times during the finals...) I also believe Leroy has not shown enough IMO to be considered so incredible dominant as some people here make him out to be. He won against an out-of-shape Wes, in a pretty impressive style and has a considerable size... but thats about it...maybe this time around

[QUOTE=LexBlair;339283]Rachel never sucked at puzzles. I don´t know where you got that from...She was always the strategist, the fox... As for Diem, I think she could probably fly under the radar or eliminate some total weaklings since there are so many below-average competitors this time around, plus she is totally drama-free which is usually good... Sure she is not the beast as some others are but she is a rather well-rounded competitor, who does not lack that much in any department, really... Also it´s not about puzzles during challenges it´s about puzzles [B]at finals[/B](ALWAYS present) and sorry but it´so freaking easy to overtake somebody at a puzzle, we see it happening every season(take Exes for example, I believe they traded places like 4 times during the finals...) I also believe Leroy has not shown enough IMO to be considered so incredible dominant as some people here make him out to be. He won against an out-of-shape Wes, in a pretty impressive style and has a considerable size... but thats about it...[/QUOTE] Completely disagree on Rachel. She's better at puzzles than Emily but not a puzzle person. She's not Sarah or Jonna or Diem. Remember Jodi won and didn't finish the puzzle in the first Duel Diem won't fly under the radar--people know she's a threat in a final--See Tori/Ruthie in the Duel 2. I have no idea how Leroy hasn't impressed you. He dominated in the Rivals (see the final mission and his one mission with Adam) and his only problem in Exes was Naomi.

I think y'all are definitely underestimating Diems physical capability. And Sarah's. they both could take Emily and Cooke.

[QUOTE=Lola88;339285]I think y'all are definitely underestimating Diems physical capability. And Sarah's. they both could take Emily and Cooke.[/QUOTE] Not physically. Diem does have the best shot when it comes to finals.

[QUOTE=Lola88;339285]I think y'all are definitely underestimating Diems physical capability. And Sarah's. they both could take Emily and Cooke.[/QUOTE] I don't think either could beat Emily in anything physical and I'm probably Sarah's biggest supporter/defender. Sarah would have a fighting chance--Diem would have none. I don't think Diem could even beat Theresa or Camila in a physical one on one elimination. She'd have to pray for a "mental" elimination round.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339287]I don't think either could beat Emily in anything physical and I'm probably Sarah's biggest supporter/defender. Sarah would have a fighting chance--Diem would have none. I don't think Diem could even beat Theresa or Camila in a physical one on one elimination. She'd have to pray for a "mental" elimination round.[/QUOTE] I think that too. Diem lacks in strength. Emily, Sarah, Cooke, Camila and Theresa are all stronger than her. If we are talking finals, then Diem is a beast, maybe just Sarah and Emily could beat her. But as some have been saying, if you put a puzzle in the mix it could turn everything upside down.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339287]I don't think either could beat Emily in anything physical and I'm probably Sarah's biggest supporter/defender. Sarah would have a fighting chance--Diem would have none. I don't think Diem could even beat Theresa or Camila in a physical one on one elimination. She'd have to pray for a "mental" elimination round.[/QUOTE] I disagree. Emily isn't invincible.

[QUOTE=mario21jorge;339288]I think that too. Diem lacks in strengh. Emily, Sarah, Cooke, Camila and Theresa are all stronger than her. If we are talking finals, then Diem is a beast, maybe just Sarah and Emily could beat her. But as some have been saying, if you put a puzzle in the mix it could turn everything upside down.[/QUOTE] Yeah, if Diem gets to the final she's a threat--probably the favorite but I just think there's too many girls she couldn't beat in a 1 on 1 physical situation to get there. I really like Diem but I'm just trying to be realistic.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339287]I don't think either could beat Emily in anything physical and I'm probably Sarah's biggest supporter/defender. Sarah would have a fighting chance--Diem would have none. I don't think Diem could even beat [B]Theresa[/B] or Camila in a physical one on one elimination. She'd have to pray for a "mental" elimination round.[/QUOTE] I am sorry but you have some interesting power rankings..Theresa?! And how exactly did Leroy [B]DOMINANTE[/B] Rivals, I mean.......

[QUOTE=Lola88;339289]I disagree. Emily isn't invincible.[/QUOTE] Who said invincible? She's on the level of Laurel & Evelyn. She can be beat--by someone elite--in a physical competition. Not by Diem who is far from strong. Imagine Diem vs. Emily in something like Pole Me Over or Handcuffs. Diem would get destroyed. We've seen what kind of competitor Emily is. Like Mark Long said--she "competes like a dude"--Diem does not.

[QUOTE=LexBlair;339291]I am sorry but you have some interesting power rankings..Theresa?! And how exactly did Leroy [B]DOMINANTE[/B] Rivals, I mean.......[/QUOTE] I am really not trying to get into this, because I know people tend to be biased in these things but I just genuinely don´t get it..

[QUOTE=LexBlair;339291]I am sorry but you have some interesting power rankings..Theresa?! And how exactly did Leroy [B]DOMINANTE[/B] Rivals, I mean.......[/QUOTE] When Leroy was allowed to do anything individually he showed what he's capable of. He was eliminated because his partner didn't even give him a chance in the elimination round. See him dominating Wes. Theresa was arguably the 3rd strongest girl in Cutthroat (only got eliminated because Tina threw it to Tori) and almost made a final with Ryan in FM2. No one has to agree on anything but Theresa would be someone to avoid in a one on one elimination round IMO. Just like Sarah and Camila. Ahead of Diem for that. Diem would be superior in a final. There's categories. I think people just don't like Theresa and refuse to give her credit--JMO

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339292]Who said invincible? [B]She's on the level of Laurel & Evelyn[/B]. She can be beat--by someone elite--in a physical competition. Not by Diem who is far from strong. Imagine Diem vs. Emily in something like Pole Me Over or Handcuffs. Diem would get destroyed. We've seen what kind of competitor Emily is. Like Mark Long said--she "competes like a dude"--Diem does not.[/QUOTE] No they are not... L and E not only compete like guys but also have the brains... That makes them, logically, superior to Em...(again, I love her, but no need for overcompensation)

[QUOTE=LexBlair;339295]No they are not... L and E not only compete like guys but also have the brains... That makes them, logically, superior to Em...(again, I love her, but no need for overcompensation)[/QUOTE] Again, we're talking about in a physical one on one elimination round.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;339294]When Leroy was allowed to do anything individually he showed what he's capable of. He was eliminated because his partner didn't even give him a chance in the elimination round. See him dominating Wes. Theresa was arguably the [B]3rd strongest girl in Cutthroat[/B] (only got eliminated because Tina threw it to Tori) and almost made a final with Ryan in FM2. No one has to agree on anything but Theresa would be someone to avoid in a one on one elimination round IMO. Just like Sarah and Camila. Ahead of Diem for that. Diem would be superior in a final. There's categories. I think people just don't like Theresa and refuse to give her credit--JMO[/QUOTE] .....You must be kidding, I mean.... You know what let´s rather leave at it;)

[QUOTE=Lola88;339285]I think y'all are definitely underestimating Diems physical capability. And Sarah's. they both could take Emily and Cooke.[/QUOTE] Lol. That would NEVER, ever, like ever, happen. The only person who can take out Emily in a physical elimination match, is the female who has won 3 challenges, defeated 2 dudes (one of them twice), made Alton look weak in a challenge, the one and only, Queen Evelyn. Other than that, No other female can take out Emily one on one in a physical elimination match, especially Diem and Sarah, who are not even part of the "elite group of girls". PS: I'm not counting Cooke here cause we haven't seen her compete.