The Challenge: Generic Thread

[QUOTE=JL81790;293310]Nope...he probably knows not to. Someone linked an interview that some radio show in upstate NY did with Heather from Vegas and they did one with Kenny also. They actually asked him about it and he said that even if he wanted to comment on it he couldn't.[/QUOTE] If he verbatim said "even if I wanted to, I couldn't", that is, in my opinion, a sign that he may possibly be facing some sort of subpoena in the case.

[QUOTE=molds13;293313]If he verbatim said "even if I wanted to, I couldn't", that is, in my opinion, a sign that he may possibly be facing some sort of subpoena in the case.[/QUOTE] I'll try to find it again. I'm surprised they even asked him...I figured he'd probably say before they started recording that he couldn't touch any questions about it so don't ask.

[QUOTE=molds13;293313]If he verbatim said "even if I wanted to, I couldn't", that is, in my opinion, a sign that he may possibly be facing some sort of subpoena in the case.[/QUOTE] He is a defendant in the case I thought. Unless there is a gag order, he probably would be referring to his contract or BMP's lawyers' interpretation of the non-disclosure terms. Still think Derrick should have asked. It isn't as if he hasn't asked questions before that could have called for violating the non-disclosure terms.

[QUOTE=FishHooks;293315][B]He is a defendant in the case I thought.[/B] Unless there is a gag order, he probably would be referring to his contract or BMP's lawyers' interpretation of the non-disclosure terms.[/QUOTE] Derrick? No. EDIT: I may have misinterpreted the original post. I thought it was Derrick who said "even if I wanted to, I couldn't".

[QUOTE=molds13;293302]:no3: I've known for quite a while, actually.[/QUOTE] I thought you said you don't hold information from us just to do it. Are we gonna be that disappointed?

[QUOTE=r3iKo;293351]I thought you said you don't hold information from us just to do it. Are we gonna be that disappointed?[/QUOTE] She isn't doing it just to do it. Timing is everything..

[QUOTE=r3iKo;293351]I thought you said you don't hold information from us just to do it. Are we gonna be that disappointed?[/QUOTE] You also have to realize that Molds usually waits until there's "proof" to post spoilers. While the information that Molds gets from her source is correct and true, Molds can't post spoilers until there's proof somewhere giving it away. Because then her source may be at risk due to a contract they probably have signed. So like when she posted that Paula & Evelyn won Rivals last year, she waited until she saw someone post on Paula's wall, "You finally did it!! Congratulations!" or something along those lines after she returned from Argentina.

Are they ever going to cast Ashlee, the basketball player from new orleans 2? Has she turned down BMP's invitations? Or what about Knight and Jemmye? I'm so tired of the same old cast members. Or Eric from New Orleans 2? He seemed like a great guy! Maybe Preston? McKenzie? Except for Ryan everybody on that season was likable! Why aren't they casting any of them on the challenges?? I think a great idea for next season's challenge would be to caste all challenge newbies, cast members who have never done a challenge. It would solve so many problems. It would get rid of the same old tired alliances. Get Rid of the silly aerial challenges, over water! Do secret ballots for the voting for eliminations. Or better yet, each episode they could use a different mechanic to determine who goes into eliminations... One week, the two worst teams from that weeks challenge would go up against each other, no voting. Another week, it could be the worst performing team vs a team that gets voted in by secret ballot. Or, the show could rank players every week based on cumulative performance in challenge rounds, For instance if a player takes first one week and 5th the next, their cumulative score would be 6, and anyone with more than six cumulative points would be ranked below them. The two cumulatively worst players would go against each other in the elimination round, with one going home. There are so many simple ideas BMP could employ to make the show less tired, less predictable, and have more performance based results. Am I insane? Am I the only person that feels this way? What are other peoples ideas for new interesting rules that would make the show watchable again? Which challenge newbies that haven't been on a challenge yet, would people like to see?

[QUOTE=danw34;293419] Or what about Knight and Jemmye? [/QUOTE] Those two would have been PERFECT for Battle of The Exes.

[QUOTE=Help Desk;293426]Those two would have been PERFECT for Battle of The Exes.[/QUOTE] Yeah. I don't get why New Orleans 2 cast got the shaft again. Especially with a format like this. Alhtough in Likelyhood they were probably asked but declined.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;293431]Yeah. I don't get why New Orleans 2 cast got the shaft again. Especially with a format like this. Alhtough in Likelyhood they were probably asked but declined.[/QUOTE] Jemmye said numerous times that they were not asked. She seems pretty upset about it too.

[QUOTE=jesses_girl;293441]Jemmye said numerous times that they were not asked. She seems pretty upset about it too.[/QUOTE] Companies like MTV and BMP are paying more and more attention to digital media and employing the services of companies that monitor social networks for things like mentions and positive/negative comments to rank shows. Perhaps they just don't generate enough interest to make people want to see them and/or they just aren't interesting to the format in the eyes of the producers.

[QUOTE=FishHooks;293444][B]Companies like MTV and BMP are paying more and more attention to digital media and employing the services of companies that monitor social networks for things like mentions and positive/negative comments to rank shows. Perhaps they just don't generate enough interest to make people want to see them [/B]and/or they just aren't interesting to the format in the eyes of the producers.[/QUOTE] I doubt that's the reason mainly because the NOLA2 cast has generated more interest than the DC cast and Ty has been invited to 3 consecutive challenges since his season. And this is Emily's 2nd one. I think it's just as simple as who 'the powers that be' like and don't like.

[QUOTE=jesses_girl;293448]I doubt that's the reason mainly because the[B] NOLA2 cast has generated more interest than the DC cast[/B] and Ty has been invited to 3 consecutive challenges since his season. And this is Emily's 2nd one. I think it's just as simple as who 'the powers that be' like and don't like.[/QUOTE] Is that based on season ratings or are you basing it on something else? I ask because these companies are very stealthy in how they work and it can cost a fortune to access their detailed information.

[QUOTE=FishHooks;293449]Is that based on season ratings or are you basing it on something else? I ask because these companies are very stealthy in how they work and it can cost a fortune to access their detailed information.[/QUOTE] Based on ratings and twitter followers.

Yea, I don't understand why nobody from the NOLA cast hasn't been on the challenges yet. They are 100x interesting than San Diego 2. The only people from DC I could find interesting on a challenge are Ashley and Erica and they both haven't been asked.

Does anyone have ideas for how BMP could change the mechanics governing who goes into elimination rounds? I feel like a few simple changes could diminish the power of alliances and make the show more exciting! And we all know on the new season alliances will play a role. With the top performing team putting one team of their choice in, whichever players are in the most powerful alliance will not be thrown in by the top performing team. There will be a quid pro quo exchange. The top performing team will know that by keeping allied players out of the elimination round, they will be protected in weeks to come when those players are making the decisions about who goes into an elimination. Let's come up with some new mechanics that are a little more creative and will lessen the importance of alliances. What are peoples suggestions? I really feel like my cumulative points idea determining who goes into elimination rounds would be great for another season of the duel. Or to tweak it a bit for a team challenge, you could have individual competition for the weekly challenge, with each player getting a point score, for where they placed in that weeks challenge, then for each team's score the points of each player on the team that week would be added up. The two teams with the worst score that week would face off in an elimination, if it's two person teams like rivals or exes. If it's larger teams like the gauntlet, the team with the worst score would have their 2 worst scoring members face off in an elimination. A similar scoring system is used for cross country meets, and it adds to the excitement. Even the score of a team's 5th best runner could contribute to the victory or defeat of that team.

[QUOTE=danw34;293419]Are they ever going to cast Ashlee, the basketball player from new orleans 2? Has she turned down BMP's invitations? Or what about Knight and Jemmye? I'm so tired of the same old cast members. Or Eric from New Orleans 2? He seemed like a great guy! Maybe Preston? McKenzie? Except for Ryan everybody on that season was likable! Why aren't they casting any of them on the challenges?? I think a great idea for next season's challenge would be to caste all challenge newbies, cast members who have never done a challenge. It would solve so many problems. It would get rid of the same old tired alliances. Get Rid of the silly aerial challenges, over water! Do secret ballots for the voting for eliminations. Or better yet, each episode they could use a different mechanic to determine who goes into eliminations... One week, the two worst teams from that weeks challenge would go up against each other, no voting. Another week, it could be the worst performing team vs a team that gets voted in by secret ballot. Or, the show could rank players every week based on cumulative performance in challenge rounds, For instance if a player takes first one week and 5th the next, their cumulative score would be 6, and anyone with more than six cumulative points would be ranked below them. The two cumulatively worst players would go against each other in the elimination round, with one going home. There are so many simple ideas BMP could employ to make the show less tired, less predictable, and have more performance based results. Am I insane? Am I the only person that feels this way? What are other peoples ideas for new interesting rules that would make the show watchable again? Which challenge newbies that haven't been on a challenge yet, would people like to see?[/QUOTE] I think a big reason they haven't been asked is bc of the lack of interest ALL of them had about doing one on their reunion. Sahar and Mckenzie have straight up said they won't do it. Preston and Ryan were asked to do rivals, but if I remember correctly, Ryan said yes, and Preston said no. Since then Ryan has said he doesn't want to do one, same with Preston. Knight, I believe, has always been on the fence about doing one, but leaning more towards no. Eric, I forget if he has interest or not. Ashley really wants to do one, but I don't think she will bc Ashley didn't do much on the season. Jemmye at first only wanted to do one if Knight went, but now has changed her tune. I surprised she hasn't been asked. She was very entertaining on her season.

[QUOTE=danw34;293519]Does anyone have ideas for how BMP could change the mechanics governing who goes into elimination rounds? I feel like a few simple changes could diminish the power of alliances and make the show more exciting! And we all know on the new season alliances will play a role. With the top performing team putting one team of their choice in, whichever players are in the most powerful alliance will not be thrown in by the top performing team. There will be a quid pro quo exchange. The top performing team will know that by keeping allied players out of the elimination round, they will be protected in weeks to come when those players are making the decisions about who goes into an elimination. Let's come up with some new mechanics that are a little more creative and will lessen the importance of alliances. What are peoples suggestions? I really feel like my cumulative points idea determining who goes into elimination rounds would be great for another season of the duel. Or to tweak it a bit for a team challenge, you could have individual competition for the weekly challenge, with each player getting a point score, for where they placed in that weeks challenge, then for each team's score the points of each player on the team that week would be added up. The two teams with the worst score that week would face off in an elimination, if it's two person teams like rivals or exes. If it's larger teams like the gauntlet, the team with the worst score would have their 2 worst scoring members face off in an elimination. A similar scoring system is used for cross country meets, and it adds to the excitement. Even the score of a team's 5th best runner could contribute to the victory or defeat of that team.[/QUOTE] Honestly. I just want them to stop casting the same **** people over and over again. I really want them to focus on getting people from recent seasons on. From my understanding there are several people from the more recent seasons that would like to do one but they don't get asked for some reason. But yet John/Paula/Sarah/Kenny/Wes/Evan/Evelyn/Camilla keep showing up challenge after challenge and bring absolutley nothing to the table. I mean sure some of them are good competitors but lets face it. These challenges are about the Drama and the excitment you get when you bring various Real World/Road Rules castmembers together and the water cooler moments that stem from that. And I feel like the people that I listed(and some of the others) Don't deliver in that respect. So it's time to move on to a new generation of challengers but BMP doesn't seem to want to do that. And for the format..I'll have to think about that one.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;293542]Honestly. I just want them to stop casting the same **** people over and over again. I really want them to focus on getting people from recent seasons on. From my understanding there are several people from the more recent seasons that would like to do one but they don't get asked for some reason. But yet John/Paula/Sarah/Kenny/Wes/Evan/Evelyn/[B]Camilla[/B] keep showing up challenge after challenge and bring absolutley nothing to the table. I mean sure some of them are good competitors but lets face it. These challenges are about the Drama and the excitment you get when you bring various Real World/Road Rules castmembers together and the water cooler moments that stem from that. And I feel like the people that I listed(and some of the others) Don't deliver in that respect. So it's time to move on to a new generation of challengers but BMP doesn't seem to want to do that. [/QUOTE] This is Camila's 3rd challenge lol

Evelyn disabled her Formspring:(

[QUOTE=awalllll;293549]Evelyn disabled her Formspring:([/QUOTE] Her twitter also.

[QUOTE=jesses_girl;293441]Jemmye said numerous times that they were not asked. She seems pretty upset about it too.[/QUOTE] Well, that is what happens when you get arrested and you have no history on the challenges for BMP to think you are worth fighting with the VIACOM lawyers and insurance underwriters. (I'm sure someone will want to bring up Abram, that that is why I mention "history on the challenges" for BMP to be able to make a case for using you as an exception to their new apparent "no tolerance" policy.)

[QUOTE=V1man;293581]Well, that is what happens when you get arrested and you have no history on the challenges for BMP to think you are worth fighting with the VIACOM lawyers and insurance underwriters. (I'm sure someone will want to bring up Abram, that that is why I mention "history on the challenges" for BMP to be able to make a case for using you as an exception to their new apparent "no tolerance" policy.)[/QUOTE] That's interesting, but then do you know why someone like Ty is back. I do like him but if things are changing since the whole lawsuit thing, wouldn't he be a liability based on his challenge history? I am convinced that he got a talking to by producers, he doesn't seem to be all crazy this time around. If he was, it probably would've made the trailer/promos.

[QUOTE=V1man;293581]Well, that is what happens when you get arrested and you have no history on the challenges for BMP to think you are worth fighting with the VIACOM lawyers and insurance underwriters. (I'm sure someone will want to bring up Abram, that that is why I mention "history on the challenges" for BMP to be able to make a case for using you as an exception to their new apparent "no tolerance" policy.)[/QUOTE] Plus there was something co-dependently pathetic about them on their season plus the missing pills everybody put to Knight the addict plus the hostility they seem to show toward others and self-righteousness they have toward themselves via social networking, all mixed in with what seems to me to have been a pretty liquored up run since their season. I am fairly certain BMP knew what happened to those missing pain pills but never showed it publicly.

[QUOTE=V1man;293581]Well, that is what happens when you get arrested and you have no history on the challenges for BMP to think you are worth fighting with the VIACOM lawyers and insurance underwriters. (I'm sure someone will want to bring up Abram, that that is why I mention "history on the challenges" for BMP to be able to make a case for using you as an exception to their new apparent "no tolerance" policy.)[/QUOTE] Was the situation this season that the Viacom lawyers and insurance underwriters vetoed Adam R's appearance on the show? Was there any controversy about Ty's appearance this season? In the preview footage for the first episode, they included footage from D.C. where TY is hitting Emily hard. If I remember correctly from the duel 2, he knocked a bunk bed over on Emily. MTV is promoting this new show as the "Battle of the Exes" They are promoting the show with commercials where CT tells Diem, he is going to molest her. MTV is using clips of TY's violence towards Emily to promote the show. Not to mention CT's demeaning comments. In the first episode the challenge appears to revolve around smearing other players with honey, and then groping them. Given Tonya's lawsuit, why did MTV take this direction with the show this season? These clips coming out for the new season seem to support Tonya's claims about MTV and BMP fostering a demeaning, unsafe and abusive work environment. Can BMP and MTV absolve themselves from responsibility by claiming the set of the show does not constitute a working environment? Is the decision to film in foreign countries a way to insulate themselves from lawsuits and criminal charges? MTV is using violence and abuse among the cast members to promote the new season of the show. This seems to support Tonya's claims. They could have easily picked another theme for this season, and cooled it for one season while the lawsuit is resolved. What is the deal with MTV and BMP? Do they think they can just pay a bunch of Lawyers, and continue to go this direction with the show? Are they right?

[QUOTE=danw34;293601]Was the situation this season that the Viacom lawyers and insurance underwriters vetoed Adam R's appearance on the show? Was there any controversy about Ty's appearance this season? In the preview footage for the first episode, they included footage from D.C. where TY is hitting Emily hard. If I remember correctly from the duel 2, he knocked a bunk bed over on Emily. MTV is promoting this new show as the "Battle of the Exes" They are promoting the show with commercials where CT tells Diem, he is going to molest her. MTV is using clips of TY's violence towards Emily to promote the show. Not to mention CT's demeaning comments. In the first episode the challenge appears to revolve around smearing other players with honey, and then groping them. Given Tonya's lawsuit, why did MTV take this direction with the show this season? These clips coming out for the new season seem to support Tonya's claims about MTV and BMP fostering a demeaning, unsafe and abusive work environment. Can BMP and MTV absolve themselves from responsibility by claiming the set of the show does not constitute a working environment? Is the decision to film in foreign countries a way to insulate themselves from lawsuits and criminal charges? MTV is using violence and abuse among the cast members to promote the new season of the show. This seems to support Tonya's claims. They could have easily picked another theme for this season, and cooled it for one season while the lawsuit is resolved. What is the deal with MTV and BMP? Do they think they can just pay a bunch of Lawyers, and continue to go this direction with the show? Are they right?[/QUOTE] Interesting and thoughtful stuff, but I expect that unless BMP and MTV come to their senses and seriously approach a settlement that the matter will not be resolved for at least two seasons. Nonetheless, this season may offer more fuel for depositions than BMP would like since clearly cast public twitter comments alone suggest there were some serious changes in the approach to challenge production that beg the question about the real results of MTV's internal "investigation."

[QUOTE=danw34;293601] MTV is using clips of TY's violence towards Emily to promote the show. Not to mention CT's demeaning comments. In the first episode the challenge appears to revolve around smearing other players with honey, and then groping them. Given Tonya's lawsuit, why did MTV take this direction with the show this season? These clips coming out for the new season seem to support Tonya's claims about MTV and BMP fostering a demeaning, unsafe and abusive work environment. ....... What is the deal with MTV and BMP? Do they think they can just pay a bunch of Lawyers, and continue to go this direction with the show? Are they right?[/QUOTE] I think, for whatever it is worth, that demeaning workplace stuff was just something Tonya's lawyers threw in there in case her other claims failed just to keep the case alive. Wasn't like this was her first rodeo and she came back voluntarily for multiple seasons. Her real claim is the toothbrush stuff and I expect that the changes would be to quash the environment that lead to that alleged happening. I heard on one of those court shows one time that you cannot put on evidence of changes to prove a claim anyway--the example I think was you cannot show that someone cut down a dead tree as proof they were at fault for a limb falling on your car. Even if Tonya wins (which would likely be dragged out on appeals), then they would not be obligated to change anything. They could pay her verdict and go forward exactly as they have been in theory at least. I feel like the changes are probably more behind the scenes stuff and are as much about their insurance as anything else. Watching adults act like idiots due to greed is the heart of reality competition.

[QUOTE=jesses_girl;293545]This is Camila's 3rd challenge lol[/QUOTE] Yeah and if the show gets renewed she'll probably be on the next one and the one after that.....despite her being bland and uninteresting.

[QUOTE=V1man;293619]Interesting and thoughtful stuff, but I expect that unless BMP and MTV come to their senses and seriously approach a settlement that the matter will not be resolved for at least two seasons. Nonetheless, this season may offer more fuel for depositions than BMP would like since clearly cast public twitter comments alone suggest there were some serious changes in the approach to challenge production that beg the question about the real results of MTV's internal "investigation."[/QUOTE] Hmm... I haven't read anything from the cast members suggesting a change in production. Is it a negative change or a positive one?