The Challenge: Generic Thread

I thought someone said that Zach and Ashley were too boring on B2SD to be asked for a challenge?

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;282024]I thought someone said that Zach and Ashley were too boring on B2SD to be asked for a challenge?[/QUOTE] molds said that production thought the two were very dull and they tried to avoid the cameras for the most part....however Zach and Ashley, from the looks of it via twitter and the poll on Derrick's website, are very popular with viewers so I would expect to see them on a challenge pretty soon...

[QUOTE=faceless;282008]I am laughing at the bolded statement so hard. You obviously don't know anything about grappling. Everybody is talking about weight differences and grappling so I'll use examples that would make sense. Kenny is, my guess, 190ish lbs, easily a cut down to middleweight (185) and CT is probably light heavyweight (205). A middleweight can submit a light heavyweight even with the size and strength differences. Clearly, we know Kenny has prior training and it doesn't seem like CT does. Another example, BJ Penn, natural lightweight submitted Matt Hughes, a welterweight (1 weight class above). Townie, I agree that CT is physically the strongest on this show but to believe he can out wrestle a trained wrestler is hilarious to me. What next are you going to say? He can step into a professional MMA fight and beat those fighters who have trained for years? I really like CT, but you are making me not like him. It seems like CT would have no problem admitting someone beat him in a wrestling match or it was wrong of him to hit someone or he lost fair and square but it's so hard for you to do that. If CT can see his own shortcomings, I think you should too.[/QUOTE] I love people like you who are casual MMA fans who act like just because somebody wrestled in high school that they have world class Olympic wrestling ability and because they know how to wrestle, they also are as versed in submissions as somebody who is a black belt in jiu jitsu. Landon wasn't even good enough to get a scholarship to wrestle in college and I don't know if Kenny wrestled in college or not for sure, but I know he didn't go to a big time university for wrestling. Guys who have wrestling backgrounds get their ***** kicked in fights all the time by guys with no wrestling experience.

[QUOTE=townie;282027]I love people like you who are casual MMA fans who act like just because somebody wrestled in high school that they have world class Olympic wrestling ability and because they know how to wrestle, they also are as versed in submissions as somebody who is a black belt in jiu jitsu. Landon wasn't even good enough to get a scholarship to wrestle in college and I don't know if Kenny wrestled in college or not for sure, but I know he didn't go to a big time university for wrestling. Guys who have wrestling backgrounds get their ***** kicked in fights all the time by guys with no wrestling experience.[/QUOTE] If you actually read my post you would have seen that I did not mention Landon's name at all. You also can't compare what Kenny and CT did on Inferno 3 to a fight because it was not a fight, it was a WRESTLING match. And you call me a "casual" MMA fan when you were the one who said CT had a guillotine on Kenny when that wasn't what it was. Also, Kenny has won some grappling tournaments that he entered against other trained wrestlers so to say he's a nobody when compared to other cast members at these things is just ridiculous. I think you need to let go of CT's manhood. And this is coming from someone who doesn't like Kenny and likes CT.

[QUOTE=TheCollegeD;282026]molds said that production thought the two were very dull and they tried to avoid the cameras for the most part....however Zach and Ashley, from the looks of it via twitter and the poll on Derrick's website, are very popular with viewers so I would expect to see them on a challenge pretty soon...[/QUOTE] Yeah The Challenges have always been on board to continue with the love story arcs....like Wes/Johanna, Danny/Melinda, CT/Diem, Dunbar/Paula, Dunbar/Kim, Brad/Tori....I was surprised to hear that a big athlete like Zach and a hot chick that doesnt appear to be a weak link like Ashley wouldnt be asked back for a challenge. Good to know they will probably be considered, and I'm sure they will both be considered to follow through with their love story.

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;282030]Yeah The Challenges have always been on board to continue with the love story arcs....like Wes/Johanna, Danny/Melinda, CT/Diem, Dunbar/Paula, Dunbar/Kim, Brad/Tori....I was surprised to hear that a big athlete like Zach and a hot chick that doesnt appear to be a weak link like Ashley wouldnt be asked back for a challenge. Good to know they will probably be considered, and I'm sure they will both be considered to follow through with their love story.[/QUOTE] It has nothing to do with Ashley being a weak link but well everything to do with her being completely useless and adding nothing to the show.

[QUOTE=lulax3;282020]I know Zach wants to do one, but idk if they are going to cast San Diego roomies this season. [/QUOTE] I hope they do. The more new faces the better.

I wouldn't talk about someone we haven't seen in a challenge yet. Since the challenge envioroment is different from the real world environment , since people are trying to survive and make it to the end. "Boring" real world people have suprise us in the past , by adding something competition wise or storylie wise (landon, svetlana, kelly ann, Sarah on the ruins, Kimberly, Beth, jasmine). I think if Zach do a challenge, he is going to be perfect for it he will add a lot competition wise and maybe storyline wise since people are not going to against him in a elimination round or final, maybe he would be a "new" CT. Maybe Zach vs JKE? same goes for Ashley she looks like an athletic girl and maybe she will be catty when it comes to competing for money? Who knows I would prefer to see anyone over Mandy, Theresa, Luke, erick , paula and melinda.

[QUOTE=lulax3;282036]I wouldn't talk about someone we haven't seen in a challenge yet. Since the challenge envioroment is different from the real world environment , since people are trying to survive and make it to the end. "Boring" real world people have suprise us in the past , by adding something competition wise or storylie wise (landon, svetlana, kelly ann, Sarah on the ruins, Kimberly, Beth, jasmine). I think if Zach do a challenge, he is going to be perfect for it he will add a lot competition wise and maybe storyline wise since people are not going to against him in a elimination round or final, maybe he would be a "new" CT. Maybe Zach vs JKE? same goes for Ashley she looks like an athletic girl and maybe she will be catty when it comes to competing for money? Who knows I would prefer to see anyone over Mandy, Theresa, Luke, erick , paula and melinda.[/QUOTE] No but see the thing with Ashley though is that she's not going to be asked back. Read the San Diego sub-forum and you'll understand why. Sure she could be more entertaining here, but she also supposedly went out of her way to avoid cameras and was a pain in the *** to work with. She's never going to be asked back so she's not going to have that chance to surprise people. Also, I'd say that she's pretty much Mandi but with less prostitute-like traits to her (as in she's not going to just go and hook up with a bunch of guys and make out and stuff). Take that away and you have a dumb blond who can't do anything.

[QUOTE=lulax3;282036]I wouldn't talk about someone we haven't seen in a challenge yet. Since the challenge envioroment is different from the real world environment , since people are trying to survive and make it to the end. "Boring" real world people have suprise us in the past , by adding something competition wise or storylie wise (landon, svetlana, kelly ann, Sarah on the ruins, Kimberly, Beth, jasmine). I think if Zach do a challenge, he is going to be perfect for it he will add a lot competition wise and maybe storyline wise since people are not going to against him in a elimination round or final, maybe he would be a "new" CT. Maybe Zach vs JKE? same goes for Ashley she looks like an athletic girl and maybe she will be catty when it comes to competing for money? Who knows I would prefer to see anyone over Mandy, Theresa, Luke, erick , paula and melinda.[/QUOTE] That's like saying MJ would be a powerhouse lol. Just wait and see, he may surprise you. And you thought Svetlana, Landon, Beth, and Jasmine were boring? They had some of the main storylines on their seasons.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;282038]No but see the thing with Ashley though is that she's not going to be asked back. Read the San Diego sub-forum and you'll understand why. Sure she could be more entertaining here, but she also supposedly went out of her way to avoid cameras and was a pain in the *** to work with. She's never going to be asked back so she's not going to have that chance to surprise people. Also, I'd say that she's pretty much Mandi but with less prostitute-like traits to her (as in she's not going to just go and hook up with a bunch of guys and make out and stuff). Take that away and you have a dumb blond who can't do anything.[/QUOTE] Molds didn't say they were never going to be asked back. She just wrote that both of them (Zach and Ash) were trying to avoid the cameras, in other words they were a pain of the *** for the camera crew. But if you check right now, both of them are fan favorites and they have more followers than the other 5 cast members from their season. I highly doubt she is going to be like a Mandi, I can totally see her being like a Kimberly or a Brittini.

[QUOTE=jesses_girl;282040]That's like saying MJ would be a powerhouse lol. Just wait and see, he may surprise you. And you thought Svetlana, Landon, Beth, and Jasmine were boring? They had some of the main storylines on their seasons.[/QUOTE] My bad, what I meant by "boring" is that people thought they were not going to bring anything to the challenge I think that Zach will dominate in a challenge, it would be interesting to see a Zach vs CT in a elimination like T-bone.

Just wanna throw my 2 cents in: Zach will beat CT in the next challenge...dude is HUGE.

[QUOTE=foofighter7;282045]Just wanna throw my 2 cents in: Zach will beat CT in the next challenge...dude is HUGE.[/QUOTE] *massive facepalm* Size does not equal being a strong competitor. Look at Derrick, he did great on Gauntlet 2 until he went against Timmy, and all the guys he went up against were bigger than him. He beat CT, Eric, and Brad on the plank challenge on Duel 1. Size may be a great factor in having an advantage but I don't think you could say Zach will beat CT just because he is big.

[QUOTE=foofighter7;282045]Just wanna throw my 2 cents in: Zach will beat CT in the next challenge...dude is HUGE.[/QUOTE] From episode two, I didn't see Zach doing any body lifts. Dude played wide receiver. I highly doubt he is on the same pedestal in strength as CT. Townie stated CT deadlifts and Squats 500-600 without belts or wraps. From my two cents, Zach just looks like every other guy that goes to the gym to look pretty. CT and Tyler actually do a lot of full body compound lifts.

Zach is a big dude and probably a pretty good athlete in terms of running and jumping (because he was a WR), however the type of athlete you need to be is completely different for The Challenge. I am not sure how good he is in the water, with endurance, with wrestling, or with climbing which are all key aspects to being good in The Challenge. I also think he might just be big naturally and not very strong. He said he had never seen some one work out like Nate did when they were working out together. It is possible that Nate may be a better competitor than Zach (similar to how Landon is better than MJ from RW: Philly even though MJ is bigger).

[QUOTE=foofighter7;282045]Just wanna throw my 2 cents in: Zach will beat CT in the next challenge...dude is HUGE.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=r3iKo;282050]From episode two, I didn't see Zach doing any body lifts. Dude played wide receiver. I highly doubt he is on the same pedestal in strength as CT. Townie started CT deadlifts and Squats 500-600 without belts or wraps. From my two cents, Zach just looks like every other guy that goes to the gym to look pretty. CT and Tyler actually do a lot of full body compound lifts.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;282053]Zach is a big dude and probably a pretty good athlete in terms of running and jumping (because he was a WR), however the type of athlete you need to be is completely different for The Challenge. I am not sure how good he is in the water, with endurance, with wrestling, or with climbing which are all key aspects to being good in The Challenge. I also think he might just be big naturally and not very strong. He said he had never seen some one work out like Nate did when they were working out together. It is possible that Nate may be a better competitor than Zach (similar to how Landon is better than MJ from RW: Philly even though MJ is bigger).[/QUOTE] I have to agree with r3iKo and TheFeedMachi, although Zach may be big, that doesn't mean anything on these shows. I feel like he is more cutout Sports rather than the Challenge. Also, saying he is on the same level as CT, I think, is kinda ridiculous. CT, lets be honest, is just a bit superhuman, he has the type of strength that you don't come around very often.

I doubt Zach can lift a 400 lb swan. CT >

[QUOTE=lulax3;282042]Molds didn't say they were never going to be asked back. She just wrote that both of them (Zach and Ash) were trying to avoid the cameras, in other words they were a pain of the *** for the camera crew. But if you check right now, both of them are fan favorites and they have more followers than the other 5 cast members from their season. I highly doubt she is going to be like a Mandi, I can totally see her being like a Kimberly or a Brittini.[/QUOTE] molds straight up said that there were people on this season that we would never seen on reality tv again. And of all the pictures she painted of the cast members, Ashley's was clearly the worst in terms of her attitude, as well as the amount of stuff that she did on the season. Henceforth, she's not getting asked to do one.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;282059]molds straight up said that there were people on this season that would never seen on reality tv again. And of all the pictures she painted of the cast members, Ashley's was clearly the worst in terms of her attitude, as well as the amount of stuff that she did on the season. Henceforth, she's not getting asked to do one.[/QUOTE] Idk if you know but Molds isn't BMP. I think she didn't mean Ashley was banned or anything like that. Ashley was just difficult to work with and maybe molds thought that she didnt enjoy her experince since most of the time Ashley was avoiding the cameras during San Diego, so it would be logical to think that she wouldn't do a challenge. I don't think BMP cares that much about asking people that were boring on their season or on Fresh Meat to be on a challenge before (Theresa, Mandi, Luke, Eric, Brandon, Emilee, Derek, CJ). Whatever, time will tell.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;282059]molds straight up said that there were people on this season that we would never seen on reality tv again. And of all the pictures she painted of the cast members, Ashley's was clearly the worst in terms of her attitude, as well as the amount of stuff that she did on the season. Henceforth, she's not getting asked to do one.[/QUOTE] Molds isn't BMP. Although most of the time we think she is... ;)

[QUOTE=Raymond21;282064]Molds isn't BMP. Although most of the time we think she is... ;)[/QUOTE] I thought BMP stood for "Betcha Molds13 Peeks"

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;282059]molds straight up said that there were people on this season that we would never seen on reality tv again. And of all the pictures she painted of the cast members, Ashley's was clearly the worst in terms of her attitude, as well as the amount of stuff that she did on the season. Henceforth, she's not getting asked to do one.[/QUOTE] No offense Nightwolf but Molds isn't God or a psychic. That statement was made before what even the 1st episode? Zach and Ashley have shown that they are very popular characters on the show already, sometimes you really never know what you're going to get or how the audience will respond to some characters until the show airs. And to say someone will NEVER be asked for a show is a pretty bold statement and something that is hard to back up when you aren't the producer, or the casting director and before that person's show has even aired. I mean only time will tell but its no use in being a pain and arguing about it when you cant guarantee 100% that Zach and Ashley won't be asked to do a challenge ever, especially considering their popularity and willingness to be on a challenge. Its not like they are similar to Stephen from RW Denver or Jose from RW Key West, these people are popular, main characters, attractive, athletic people that want to do a challenge.

It looks like I misread "Might never see on tv" as "Will never see" in an older post. However, I don't see this Ashley popularity outside of her having more Twitter followers than the rest of the cast outside of Zach. But it's not like she has a lot more and I wouldn't be surprised if most of them are due to people thinking she's attractive. But I still stand that she won't be on one, mostly because I wouldn't expect BMP to want to work with her again. But then again we're only two weeks into San Diego so it's possible that either she'll all of a sudden actually do stuff or just float around in the background to prove my point. But getting away from that, I do hope to see Zach in the future, mostly due to his size, but who knows what side he decides to take.

[QUOTE=faceless;282029]If you actually read my post you would have seen that I did not mention Landon's name at all. You also can't compare what Kenny and CT did on Inferno 3 to a fight because it was not a fight, it was a WRESTLING match. And you call me a "casual" MMA fan when you were the one who said CT had a guillotine on Kenny when that wasn't what it was. Also, Kenny has won some grappling tournaments that he entered against other trained wrestlers so to say he's a nobody when compared to other cast members at these things is just ridiculous. [B]I think you need to let go of CT's manhood. And this is coming from someone who doesn't like Kenny and likes CT.[/B][/QUOTE] Thank you so much for the comments highlighted above....finally someone said it. It was just getting so old and ridiculous that it was really the only thing that could be said.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;282077]It looks like I misread "Might never see on tv" as "Will never see" in an older post. However, I don't see this Ashley popularity outside of her having more Twitter followers than the rest of the cast outside of Zach. But it's not like she has a lot more and I wouldn't be surprised if most of them are due to people thinking she's attractive. But I still stand that she won't be on one, mostly because I wouldn't expect BMP to want to work with her again. But then again we're only two weeks into San Diego so it's possible that either she'll all of a sudden actually do stuff or just float around in the background to prove my point. But getting away from that, I do hope to see Zach in the future, mostly due to his size, but who knows what side he decides to take.[/QUOTE] Like I said before, you dont really know what happened with Zach and Ashley, you just think you know based on hearsay. It sounds more like you dont want them to be on a challenge, rather than you dont think they will be on a challenge.

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;282086]Like I said before, you dont really know what happened with Zach and Ashley, you just think you know based on hearsay. It sounds more like you dont want them to be on a challenge, rather than you dont think they will be on a challenge.[/QUOTE] And it sounds like you think they'll definitely be on a challenge just because you personally want them to be on it. It doesn't work that way. Its fine for you to hope and dream, but please dont attempt to disregard molds' or anyone else's credibility and push your personal wants as fact. It comes off as incredibly obnoxious and delusional.

It seems pretty obvious at this point that there needs to be at least one big name per season and the people that were seen as "big names" like JEK, Wes, Jenn, Paula, etc have gotten stale. I think they'd be crazy not to have CT on every season from here on out if they want ratings. I think the only other people who could draw like he can are Coral and the Miz...and I'm not sure which of them is less likely to come back. The next rung below those three on the ladder is probably Beth and maybe Mark. I think the only problem with Beth is that you need someone there who isn't going to get along with her and fight with her. All of her story arcs have pretty much been Beth vs Coral or the Drama Mafia or The Vets or Tonya or The Bad *****.

[QUOTE=JL81790;282259]It seems pretty obvious at this point that there needs to be at least one big name per season and the people that were seen as "big names" like JEK, Wes, Jenn, Paula, etc have gotten stale. [B]I think they'd be crazy not to have CT on every season from here on out if they want ratings[/B]. I think the only other people who could draw like he can are Coral and the Miz...and I'm not sure which of them is less likely to come back. The next rung below those three on the ladder is probably Beth and maybe Mark. I think the only problem with Beth is that you need someone there who isn't going to get along with her and fight with her. All of her story arcs have pretty much been Beth vs Coral or the Drama Mafia or The Vets or Tonya or The Bad *****.[/QUOTE] Honestly I think they'd be crazy if they acutally DID that. I mean CT is entertaining and all but BMP can't rely on him forever. I'm all for the people from the newer seasons. I think that BMP can get some Huge names out of the past 7 Seasons. I really hope they get as many newbies as possible. I'm just really ready for a new generation of Challengers to take over and I think this is the perfect time for this to happen.