The Challenge: Generic Thread

I'm praying that it's in a tropical city location! I don't like seeing the cast in dreary cold places (Duel II, Cutthroat, Fresh Meat II). The perfect house and location imo was The Inferno 1 In Acapulco, Mexico. They were right by the city so they could go out often and the beaches were also right there.

[QUOTE=new-girl;281810]During the Duel II, they threw in Landon because he went to go get the cowboy hat, it wasn't because they had a better shot at getting rid of him, it was just so they could avoid the elimination round. They still had the risk of being chosen by Landon, but lucky for them Landon chose Brad. On Fresh Meat II, there was a mission where the log had to be pushed to a direction. Kenny and Pete got paired and Kenny chose Landon to be paired up with Ryan. As we all know Kenny, Pete, and Landon are stronger than Ryan; that was a very cruel move by Kenny, but it was smart. When the mission was taking place, it took Pete and Kenny some time to eliminate Landon and Ryan. By the end of the mission Landon was shaking, he used all his strength and power to try and win, on the other hand Ryan wasn't shaking as much, if I had to guess Landon was almost strong enough to eliminate Kenny and Pete, with a little help of Ryan (sorry let's face it Ryan is arguably one of the weakest male players in this challenge), and finally it's obvious Landon has tremendous endurance and strength (he showed that when he was carrying the logs back and forth like they were nothing). I have nothing against CT, but in strength I'd say it's pretty even between CT and Landon. Other than that, Landon pretty much has the whole package.[/QUOTE] Ryan isn't a powerhouse but he put up a pretty tough fight against Nehemiah in "Ram It Home" on Gauntlet 3. And lets be serious, those logs Landon had to carry on Fresh Meat 2 were nothing...he has jack on CT in the physical strength department. For some reason fans of the show think The Miz is the physically strongest player ever on challenges because he's a pro wrestler, but Tyler is just as heavy as Miz was when he did challenges and I'm told MUCH, MUCH stronger in the weightroom than Miz was and even is today, and he couldn't even budge CT a single inch in the opposite direction when they went against each other on Cutthroat. People who can legitimately squat 500+ pounds and deadlift 600+ pounds raw (without wraps, belts, etc...) are very rare to come by and CT can do both. I don't think a 170 pound person who doesn't even lift weights is going to put up much of a fight against somebody who outweighs them by 40 pounds with those kinds of lifts to their credit in anything dependent upon physical strength.

Wrestlers gain a type of strength that can't be achieved in the weight room, it's from years of grappling. You can lift weights as heavy as you want but you aren't going to stop an elite wrestler from taking you down and imposing their will on you. We saw Landon toss Brad around like a rag doll, we heard Derrick (who takes pride in his wrestling) admit he could not beat Landon in a wrestling match. Landon not only has that incredible strength from grappling, he has incredible endurance, he can keep an output of force at a high level for an extreme amount of time which other people can't match. CT can lift heavier than him, would have an advantage in anything weight-based like reverse tug of war, I will give you that, but when it comes to something with wrestling, Landon has the advantage. Give them both 80 pounds and tell them to race with it and I'm putting my money on Landon all day, every day.

I would hope somebody with wrestling experience would have no trouble imposing their will in something wrestling related against guys like Brad and Derrick...those guys are twerps. Kenny is heavier than Landon and a better wrestler and a very intoxicated CT had no trouble overpowering him when they wrestled each other on Inferno 3. Sure, Kenny's superior grappling ability allowed him to take CT down at will but he couldn't do anything with him once he got him down because CT was simply too strong for him to stay in control of once they got to the ground. I've never made any gripes about CT being better than Landon in anything where long distance endurance comes into play, as I actually believe Landon would beat him head-to-head in a final challenge. But, in the daily challenges and elimination rounds that tend to be much more oriented towards a person's individual athletic prowess, CT is a superior all-around athlete than Landon is.

[QUOTE=townie;281991]I would hope somebody with wrestling experience would have no trouble imposing their will in something wrestling related against guys like Brad and Derrick...those guys are twerps. [B]Kenny is heavier than Landon and a better wrestler and a very intoxicated CT had no trouble overpowering him when they wrestled each other on Inferno 3.[/B] Sure, Kenny's superior grappling ability allowed him to take CT down at will but he couldn't do anything with him once he got him down because CT was simply too strong for him to stay in control of once they got to the ground. I've never made any gripes about CT being better than Landon in anything where long distance endurance comes into play, as I actually believe Landon would beat him head-to-head in a final challenge. But, in the daily challenges and elimination rounds that tend to be much more oriented towards a person's individual athletic prowess, CT is a superior all-around athlete than Landon is.[/QUOTE] I think Landon would outwrestle Kenny all day. And the 2 minute clip of CT and Kenny grappling doesn't provide us with nearly enough information for us to assume that CT was easily overpowering Kenny. By that logic, Frank is on CT's level, because we saw him submit Kenny on the Gauntlet 3.

Okay, so I guess they are leaving the week after next week or Halloween week like the cast from the Duel II did. Btw Molds do you think or do you know if any castmember from Real World: Back to San Diego got a availability call or not since their season is still airing?

[QUOTE=townie;281991]I would hope somebody with wrestling experience would have no trouble imposing their will in something wrestling related against guys like Brad and Derrick...those guys are twerps. Kenny is heavier than Landon and a better wrestler and a very intoxicated CT had no trouble overpowering him when they wrestled each other on Inferno 3. Sure, Kenny's superior grappling ability allowed him to take CT down at will [B]but he couldn't do anything with him once he got him down because CT was simply too strong for him to stay in control of once they got to the ground.[/B][/QUOTE] I am laughing at the bolded statement so hard. You obviously don't know anything about grappling. Everybody is talking about weight differences and grappling so I'll use examples that would make sense. Kenny is, my guess, 190ish lbs, easily a cut down to middleweight (185) and CT is probably light heavyweight (205). A middleweight can submit a light heavyweight even with the size and strength differences. Clearly, we know Kenny has prior training and it doesn't seem like CT does. Another example, BJ Penn, natural lightweight submitted Matt Hughes, a welterweight (1 weight class above). Townie, I agree that CT is physically the strongest on this show but to believe he can out wrestle a trained wrestler is hilarious to me. What next are you going to say? He can step into a professional MMA fight and beat those fighters who have trained for years? I really like CT, but you are making me not like him. It seems like CT would have no problem admitting someone beat him in a wrestling match or it was wrong of him to hit someone or he lost fair and square but it's so hard for you to do that. If CT can see his own shortcomings, I think you should too.

[QUOTE=green123;281995]okay, so i guess they are leaving the week after next week or halloween week like the cast from the duel II did. Btw Molds do you think or do you know if any castmember from real world back to san diego got a availability call or not since their season is still airing?[/QUOTE] I assume that Zach did based on a tweet he posted in the last couple days about getting the best phone call ever or something like that. It is just an assumption on my part, but that is how I read it between the lines. I started to screencap it but that would require, you know, [I]effort[/I] and I am laaaazy.

I know Zach wants to do one, but idk if they are going to cast San Diego roomies this season. [url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=11873][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/45554e94874d4f74a.png[/img][/url]

In terms of CT, Kenny and CT both tell different stories of what happened that night and CT seemed more drunk than Kenny was. Doesn't mean Kenny's right, but I'm not gonna just listen to either of these guys since I wasn't there and they'd obviously make themselves look better no matter the situation. I don't know what Abram or anyone else there said though. With Zach, Zach would do one but that's if he's asked. That's all I'll say about that.

I thought someone said that Zach and Ashley were too boring on B2SD to be asked for a challenge?

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;282024]I thought someone said that Zach and Ashley were too boring on B2SD to be asked for a challenge?[/QUOTE] molds said that production thought the two were very dull and they tried to avoid the cameras for the most part....however Zach and Ashley, from the looks of it via twitter and the poll on Derrick's website, are very popular with viewers so I would expect to see them on a challenge pretty soon...

[QUOTE=faceless;282008]I am laughing at the bolded statement so hard. You obviously don't know anything about grappling. Everybody is talking about weight differences and grappling so I'll use examples that would make sense. Kenny is, my guess, 190ish lbs, easily a cut down to middleweight (185) and CT is probably light heavyweight (205). A middleweight can submit a light heavyweight even with the size and strength differences. Clearly, we know Kenny has prior training and it doesn't seem like CT does. Another example, BJ Penn, natural lightweight submitted Matt Hughes, a welterweight (1 weight class above). Townie, I agree that CT is physically the strongest on this show but to believe he can out wrestle a trained wrestler is hilarious to me. What next are you going to say? He can step into a professional MMA fight and beat those fighters who have trained for years? I really like CT, but you are making me not like him. It seems like CT would have no problem admitting someone beat him in a wrestling match or it was wrong of him to hit someone or he lost fair and square but it's so hard for you to do that. If CT can see his own shortcomings, I think you should too.[/QUOTE] I love people like you who are casual MMA fans who act like just because somebody wrestled in high school that they have world class Olympic wrestling ability and because they know how to wrestle, they also are as versed in submissions as somebody who is a black belt in jiu jitsu. Landon wasn't even good enough to get a scholarship to wrestle in college and I don't know if Kenny wrestled in college or not for sure, but I know he didn't go to a big time university for wrestling. Guys who have wrestling backgrounds get their ***** kicked in fights all the time by guys with no wrestling experience.

[QUOTE=townie;282027]I love people like you who are casual MMA fans who act like just because somebody wrestled in high school that they have world class Olympic wrestling ability and because they know how to wrestle, they also are as versed in submissions as somebody who is a black belt in jiu jitsu. Landon wasn't even good enough to get a scholarship to wrestle in college and I don't know if Kenny wrestled in college or not for sure, but I know he didn't go to a big time university for wrestling. Guys who have wrestling backgrounds get their ***** kicked in fights all the time by guys with no wrestling experience.[/QUOTE] If you actually read my post you would have seen that I did not mention Landon's name at all. You also can't compare what Kenny and CT did on Inferno 3 to a fight because it was not a fight, it was a WRESTLING match. And you call me a "casual" MMA fan when you were the one who said CT had a guillotine on Kenny when that wasn't what it was. Also, Kenny has won some grappling tournaments that he entered against other trained wrestlers so to say he's a nobody when compared to other cast members at these things is just ridiculous. I think you need to let go of CT's manhood. And this is coming from someone who doesn't like Kenny and likes CT.

[QUOTE=TheCollegeD;282026]molds said that production thought the two were very dull and they tried to avoid the cameras for the most part....however Zach and Ashley, from the looks of it via twitter and the poll on Derrick's website, are very popular with viewers so I would expect to see them on a challenge pretty soon...[/QUOTE] Yeah The Challenges have always been on board to continue with the love story arcs....like Wes/Johanna, Danny/Melinda, CT/Diem, Dunbar/Paula, Dunbar/Kim, Brad/Tori....I was surprised to hear that a big athlete like Zach and a hot chick that doesnt appear to be a weak link like Ashley wouldnt be asked back for a challenge. Good to know they will probably be considered, and I'm sure they will both be considered to follow through with their love story.

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;282030]Yeah The Challenges have always been on board to continue with the love story arcs....like Wes/Johanna, Danny/Melinda, CT/Diem, Dunbar/Paula, Dunbar/Kim, Brad/Tori....I was surprised to hear that a big athlete like Zach and a hot chick that doesnt appear to be a weak link like Ashley wouldnt be asked back for a challenge. Good to know they will probably be considered, and I'm sure they will both be considered to follow through with their love story.[/QUOTE] It has nothing to do with Ashley being a weak link but well everything to do with her being completely useless and adding nothing to the show.

[QUOTE=lulax3;282020]I know Zach wants to do one, but idk if they are going to cast San Diego roomies this season. [/QUOTE] I hope they do. The more new faces the better.

I wouldn't talk about someone we haven't seen in a challenge yet. Since the challenge envioroment is different from the real world environment , since people are trying to survive and make it to the end. "Boring" real world people have suprise us in the past , by adding something competition wise or storylie wise (landon, svetlana, kelly ann, Sarah on the ruins, Kimberly, Beth, jasmine). I think if Zach do a challenge, he is going to be perfect for it he will add a lot competition wise and maybe storyline wise since people are not going to against him in a elimination round or final, maybe he would be a "new" CT. Maybe Zach vs JKE? same goes for Ashley she looks like an athletic girl and maybe she will be catty when it comes to competing for money? Who knows I would prefer to see anyone over Mandy, Theresa, Luke, erick , paula and melinda.

[QUOTE=lulax3;282036]I wouldn't talk about someone we haven't seen in a challenge yet. Since the challenge envioroment is different from the real world environment , since people are trying to survive and make it to the end. "Boring" real world people have suprise us in the past , by adding something competition wise or storylie wise (landon, svetlana, kelly ann, Sarah on the ruins, Kimberly, Beth, jasmine). I think if Zach do a challenge, he is going to be perfect for it he will add a lot competition wise and maybe storyline wise since people are not going to against him in a elimination round or final, maybe he would be a "new" CT. Maybe Zach vs JKE? same goes for Ashley she looks like an athletic girl and maybe she will be catty when it comes to competing for money? Who knows I would prefer to see anyone over Mandy, Theresa, Luke, erick , paula and melinda.[/QUOTE] No but see the thing with Ashley though is that she's not going to be asked back. Read the San Diego sub-forum and you'll understand why. Sure she could be more entertaining here, but she also supposedly went out of her way to avoid cameras and was a pain in the *** to work with. She's never going to be asked back so she's not going to have that chance to surprise people. Also, I'd say that she's pretty much Mandi but with less prostitute-like traits to her (as in she's not going to just go and hook up with a bunch of guys and make out and stuff). Take that away and you have a dumb blond who can't do anything.

[QUOTE=lulax3;282036]I wouldn't talk about someone we haven't seen in a challenge yet. Since the challenge envioroment is different from the real world environment , since people are trying to survive and make it to the end. "Boring" real world people have suprise us in the past , by adding something competition wise or storylie wise (landon, svetlana, kelly ann, Sarah on the ruins, Kimberly, Beth, jasmine). I think if Zach do a challenge, he is going to be perfect for it he will add a lot competition wise and maybe storyline wise since people are not going to against him in a elimination round or final, maybe he would be a "new" CT. Maybe Zach vs JKE? same goes for Ashley she looks like an athletic girl and maybe she will be catty when it comes to competing for money? Who knows I would prefer to see anyone over Mandy, Theresa, Luke, erick , paula and melinda.[/QUOTE] That's like saying MJ would be a powerhouse lol. Just wait and see, he may surprise you. And you thought Svetlana, Landon, Beth, and Jasmine were boring? They had some of the main storylines on their seasons.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;282038]No but see the thing with Ashley though is that she's not going to be asked back. Read the San Diego sub-forum and you'll understand why. Sure she could be more entertaining here, but she also supposedly went out of her way to avoid cameras and was a pain in the *** to work with. She's never going to be asked back so she's not going to have that chance to surprise people. Also, I'd say that she's pretty much Mandi but with less prostitute-like traits to her (as in she's not going to just go and hook up with a bunch of guys and make out and stuff). Take that away and you have a dumb blond who can't do anything.[/QUOTE] Molds didn't say they were never going to be asked back. She just wrote that both of them (Zach and Ash) were trying to avoid the cameras, in other words they were a pain of the *** for the camera crew. But if you check right now, both of them are fan favorites and they have more followers than the other 5 cast members from their season. I highly doubt she is going to be like a Mandi, I can totally see her being like a Kimberly or a Brittini.

[QUOTE=jesses_girl;282040]That's like saying MJ would be a powerhouse lol. Just wait and see, he may surprise you. And you thought Svetlana, Landon, Beth, and Jasmine were boring? They had some of the main storylines on their seasons.[/QUOTE] My bad, what I meant by "boring" is that people thought they were not going to bring anything to the challenge I think that Zach will dominate in a challenge, it would be interesting to see a Zach vs CT in a elimination like T-bone.

Just wanna throw my 2 cents in: Zach will beat CT in the next challenge...dude is HUGE.

[QUOTE=foofighter7;282045]Just wanna throw my 2 cents in: Zach will beat CT in the next challenge...dude is HUGE.[/QUOTE] *massive facepalm* Size does not equal being a strong competitor. Look at Derrick, he did great on Gauntlet 2 until he went against Timmy, and all the guys he went up against were bigger than him. He beat CT, Eric, and Brad on the plank challenge on Duel 1. Size may be a great factor in having an advantage but I don't think you could say Zach will beat CT just because he is big.