1. Battle of the Exes/The Ruins/The Island/Free Agents - Johnny's wins: It was just terrible to watch Bananas and Camila win. While I like Camila a whole lot, Bananas is practically handed wins half the time with great partners or on a team with his friends. On the Island, I was upset when Abram decided he had to go home, which would have been Johnny if Abram stayed. It was practically handed to him, but not intentional on Abram's part. The Ruins was terrible because Evan, Bananas and Kenny were there, and their sheep, Derrick, too. We all know saw it coming anyway. Honestly, Johnny R. would have been a whole lot better when it comes to Free Agents. Rivals might have been the only season he deserved, though I welcome anyone to disagree with me.
2. Battle of the Seasons: I have mixed feelings about this format. I think they picked shitty people for some of the teams. To be exact, New Orleans was terrible; I would have preferred Ryan L. over Preston or Knight anyday, and would have preferred Sahar over Jemmye. I could probably go on about it, but the final outcome of it was ******. San Diego had more heart in three out of four of their members, but it was just terrible to see Frank win in general. I'm not a huge Zach fan, but I don't mind him. I would have preferred any other team in that finale to win, so watching that team of bullies make it to the end and win was gut wrenching.
Cutthroat: Format was amazing, but I absolutely despise Brad, Tori, and Dunbar. The three of them did nothing, Tori especially as she cries for the second/third time about whether she should go home or try in an elimination. All in all, that entire team did not deserve their win after what they did to Camila and Brandon.
Satisfying:
Outcome of Rivals II - I was ever so thankful that Wes and CT beat out Frank and Johnny. Frank is the most annoying person ever with his self important attitude. It would have been terrible to watch him win, only to have his ego grow past this world and the next over. Johnny even said he didn't try though, so it's whatever with him there.
Harbitten you said what i was legit thinking. I just hated Cutthroat's finale. I loved the season and how the last place people were the team captains. I felt that was an interesting tweak.
I liked the people they chose for BOTSeasons 2. Don't hate, lol. Ryan Leslie would've been boring but Sahar I would like to see in McKenzie's place. Where is she? I wanted her to compete in more challenges. And yeah Zach is okay but aggravating and Frank is just a pissant.
Rivals 2 was my last favorite challenge I loved that shit to death and Liked who won but for the girls I can't stand Emily at all. Paula I was okay with because she's finished thankfully.
I pretty much agree with Johnny's wins. He's annoying.
I'll gurantee you that they haven't bothered to ask Sahar to come on since RW: NOLA
I think it was possible that she would have came on with Eric onto the BOTExes 2, but I dunno about that completely.
I agree that it would've been A1 had Sahar and Eric gotten A CHANCE TO SHINE OVER Knight and Jemmye. Nothing against them since they actually stood out on B2NO but they been on too much.
To add to what made the Fresh Meat 2 ending so satisfying for me was how the final Challenge before the Final went down. This is the best and most fair way they ever determined a Final to me. Run a mini Final obstacle course and the top 3 teams automatically go to the Final, while the bottom 2 have to battle it out in an elimination to earn their way in. Takes the politics completely out and everyone has to earn their spot.
No people like Devyn (even though I <3 her) slipping through the cracks. The real physical competitors earn their way in automatically regardless of their political standing.
I'll start off by saying one of my favorite finals was the BOTSexes 1. I felt TERRIBLE for Ruthie (who dominated), Lori & Melissa who could have possibly won (not a definite) against Mark, Jamie & Colin after the boys "copied" their puzzle to advance. I don't have an opinion on whether this was good or bad, I liked both teams, but it was an exciting final to me.
Good:
BOTSeasons 1: I LOVED Miz & Coral, Sean & Elka, and Danny & Kelley (1/2 of whom never came back!) so this was a great win for me. I could not STAND Holly (Maximum Velocity Tour) and although I liked Theo, I did not want Holly to win. To make it even sweeter, the deals struck between RW/RR team members to ensure everyone left with something was really nice.... ESPECIALLY because Holly opted not to share with Coral if she won, and she lost becoming the only finalist not to take home a piece of the final prize money (I believe this was confirmed on a reunion or special).
Inferno 1: After the treatment of Katie (who yes, was a liability) and Kendal (for not throwing a mission to save Timmy) I was really happy that they were part of the winning team. It sucked that a few other people on that team won, but those 2 winning was nice to see.
*This kind of appliea applies to the Gaunlet 1 too, but I wasn't as happy. I was super happy for Sarah winning, but aside from her, I thought the RR team (who I actually REALLY like most of) played such a cowardly game. For such a strong set of competitors (Theo, Adam, Darrell, Rachel etc, all in their heyday were pretty good competitors) they sure played scared (or smart?) and this drug the finale of one of my favorite seasons down.
Bad:
BOTSeasons 2 & Free Agents: See basically everyone else who said bad.
Most sastifying anytime JEK has won especially Bananas but I'll do specific ones.
The Duel: I loved Wes on his RW season and I love how he dominated in exiles with the worst challenge competitor ever and still made it to the finals so at this point I was rooting for him. I loved that he won the most individual challenge yet (Duel 2 was mostly a pairs challenge, too predictable) but the Duel, Wes wasn't in the main alliance and did some amazing politics as usual to make it to the end. He also beat Derrick in a brutal elimination round. He won challenges at the end when it mattered most and made his own little alliance that actually survived long. So Props to Wes
Free Agents: Bananas' winning this was amazing because everyone always discredits him for his wins (which is ridiculous) but this one you can't really say he didn't deserve or win this one fair and square. He took out three people, had no alliance basically, and beasted on the final by carrying Devyn, firguring out the trick to the puzzle, and killing the bike/mountain part. #TeamBananas
Dissapointed wins
Cutthroat: I hated seeing red win. I am glad Brad finally got his first win but I don't think they deserved it. The final just happened to completely fall apart for the other teams leading red to win. I also really wanted blue to win. I love Jenn/Derrick/Bananas. The outcome sucked. I also hated how Abe fell apart on the final, I would have loved to see him win as well.
Fresh Meat: I like Darrel/Aviv but I wish Derrick/Diem would have beat them in exile and then won the final. That would have been amazing. They were my favorite team that season and Diem sure as hell deserved it.
BOTS: Why did Alton have to throw it.... I think Vegas would have won it all and that would have pissed San Diego off so much. I couldn't stand the way Zach/Frank acted that season.
1. Inferno II - Pretty much the perfect season, although I wish Brad was in Darrell's place. Glad that Jamie Landon and Miz were 3 of the final 4 though, they were my favorites. Kudos to the Good Guys for taking the game back towards the end of the season.
Least satisfying:
1. BOTS 2 - Frank was a **** the whole season, Zach followed him around, Sam was just a punching bag, and Ashley was just wallpaper. Especially disappointing because Sarah and Dustin was also in the final and I wanted both of them to win way more than SD.
I'll start off by saying one of my favorite finals was the BOTSexes 1. I felt TERRIBLE for Ruthie (who dominated), Lori & Melissa who could have possibly won (not a definite) against Mark, Jamie & Colin after the boys "copied" their puzzle to advance. I don't have an opinion on whether this was good or bad, I liked both teams, but it was an exciting final to me.
I'm not saying you're saying this, but I watched Sexes 2 before I watched Sexes 1 and in the pre show special of Sexes 2 all of the girls were talking about how they got screwed on this first one because the boys copied their puzzle. I figured this meant that at the very end of the Final on a puzzle the guys copied the girls and barely won. This was not the case. After the puzzle there was a whole course where I think they had to carry and walk across planks and there was some rope or nets involved too. Anyway, the girls were extremely slow at the course and basically couldn't do it which is why they lost. Even if the guys hadn't been able to copy the puzzle they would have eventually gotten it and still smoked the girls on the course before the finish. The girls in the Final or anyone else who says their puzzle getting copied determined it is using an excuse and a poor one at that. A minute or two extra on the puzzle would not have changed how the course at the end went.
Most sastifying anytime JEK has won especially Bananas but I'll do specific ones.
The Duel: I loved Wes on his RW season and I love how he dominated in exiles with the worst challenge competitor ever and still made it to the finals so at this point I was rooting for him. I loved that he won the most individual challenge yet (Duel 2 was mostly a pairs challenge, too predictable) but the Duel, Wes wasn't in the main alliance and did some amazing politics as usual to make it to the end. He also beat Derrick in a brutal elimination round. He won challenges at the end when it mattered most and made his own little alliance that actually survived long. So Props to Wes
Free Agents: Bananas' winning this was amazing because everyone always discredits him for his wins (which is ridiculous) but this one you can't really say he didn't deserve or win this one fair and square. He took out three people, had no alliance basically, and beasted on the final by carrying Devyn, firguring out the trick to the puzzle, and killing the bike/mountain part. #TeamBananas
Dissapointed wins
Cutthroat: I hated seeing red win. I am glad Brad finally got his first win but I don't think they deserved it. The final just happened to completely fall apart for the other teams leading red to win. I also really wanted blue to win. I love Jenn/Derrick/Bananas. The outcome sucked. I also hated how Abe fell apart on the final, I would have loved to see him win as well.
Fresh Meat: I like Darrel/Aviv but I wish Derrick/Diem would have beat them in exile and then won the final. That would have been amazing. They were my favorite team that season and Diem sure as hell deserved it.
BOTS: Why did Alton have to throw it.... I think Vegas would have won it all and that would have pissed San Diego off so much. I couldn't stand the way Zach/Frank acted that season.
I think your list is extremely good and fair. I can't stand Johnny but even I know most of his wins can't be disputed. He deserved almost all of his wins but I agree Free Agents was his MOST earned victory. Zero alliances, he had a target on his back the whole time, and he actually won eliminations and came up big in the Final.
I never really thought about disputing his Island win until someone in this very thread posted some info I had forgotten/wasn't aware about. Near the beginning of the game it came down to a vote off between Abe and Johnny, and everyone hating Johnny, he was definately going to get the boot. Abe needed to go home and asked everyone to vote him off and half of the people still voted Johnny off regardless. Had this not happened Johnny would've been one of the first ones off the Island. He would've never became the "leader" because of his loud mouth, his legacy never would've started (at least on this show how it did. He was nothing on these shows prior to Island), and who knows how this could've affected how he went on to do in these shows. Prior to winning with Kenny on this show Johnny was not in with him and Evan as is seen on previous shows. He also would not have been with them as a Champion on The Ruins. It's something I never thought about and it's just some food for thought. I'm not discrediting Johnny or saying he couldn't have still gone on to do good on future shows, it all happened the way it did, but that first big win and him actually becoming a honcho on these shows would've never happened here and who knows what that could've changed.
Damn knowing Abram sent himself home makes me not want to watch!!
When people are saying that "Abram needed to go home", do they mean the "official" reason that it was work-related or the rumored (and never actually confirmed that I know of) explanation that he wanted to go be with Coral? I've heard the Coral thing a few times and I also read on one a message board (either Vevmo or another one) that after that relationship ended, Abram kind of stalked Coral and hung around on her porch for a week or something like that. Knowing how weird Abram is, I'm more inclined to believe the Coral stories than the "I have to leave this challenge to take care of my business" explanation!!
Kenny&Wes beat them first day by 40 minutes and reward was that second day they had 2 minute headstart.
I think it was silly and stupid. I do not think they knew that it was 2 day challenge and maybe Wes&Kenny give all they got(wes was sick too) to finish it and all their hard work meant nothing. Kinda made first day, hardest day, pointless.
40 minutes is a huge difference. I think they should have done it like they did on FA.
But it was not obviously Bananas fault. He was just lucky.
Thats why I only consider FA and exes his real wins, others are just questionable.
Free Agents - Bananas really deserved this one. Glad Johnny R didn't because that would've been just way too much luck. Avoiding countless elimination rounds that he probably would've lost as I doubt he had a chance in hell of beating half of the cast.
Disappointing
Duel - While I think Wes' road to that point (couting with FM 1) was ok, it was CT's challenge. He lost because of a bs technicality that made it an impossible elimination to win in a normal way unless the opponent was Casey.
Seasons 2 - I didn't like some team choices that made it unbalanced or just plain weird (like the FM team) but it ended up being Alton 2.0 that ruined that season almost entirely for me. :/ And Frank was really obnoxious there... In the one season I actually didn't mind him he got sent home due to sickness. :/
Regarding the Rivals 1 final thing I really hate that format. And that format has been used in more challenges since then. Basically makes the first day worthless. You lose 90% of the lead you gained. It's ridiculous.
For me it is Rivals 1 too ^. Like Kenny should have not hurry so much, carry Wes, eat so fast bc first day was pointless. Wes was sick too, he probably gave all he got and for what? For 2 minutes?
Its seems like Tyler and Bananas give up already knowing Kenny&Wes were 40min ahead and took their time to finish it for second place and Kenny&Wes rushed not to lose their lead. No wonder second day ended like that.
That is just unbelieveable, epic fail.
Also, I like out of the 4 Tyler probably the most but still, it was clearly a Wes&Kennys finale. Kenny is really a beast in finales and I think that proved it. He has endurance for days.
I'll start off by saying one of my favorite finals was the BOTSexes 1. I felt TERRIBLE for Ruthie (who dominated), Lori & Melissa who could have possibly won (not a definite) against Mark, Jamie & Colin after the boys "copied" their puzzle to advance. I don't have an opinion on whether this was good or bad, I liked both teams, but it was an exciting final to me.
I'm not saying you're saying this, but I watched Sexes 2 before I watched Sexes 1 and in the pre show special of Sexes 2 all of the girls were talking about how they got screwed on this first one because the boys copied their puzzle. I figured this meant that at the very end of the Final on a puzzle the guys copied the girls and barely won. This was not the case. After the puzzle there was a whole course where I think they had to carry and walk across planks and there was some rope or nets involved too. Anyway, the girls were extremely slow at the course and basically couldn't do it which is why they lost. Even if the guys hadn't been able to copy the puzzle they would have eventually gotten it and still smoked the girls on the course before the finish. The girls in the Final or anyone else who says their puzzle getting copied determined it is using an excuse and a poor one at that. A minute or two extra on the puzzle would not have changed how the course at the end went.
I'm sorry Champy but no, they copied their puzzle. and the use of the quotation marks for that one guy is unneeded because they did in fact do it. But yeah.
I dont think we can base it on the gauntlet 3. We have to base it on there other challenges.... Cutthroat tori did great politically and i think she still would of beat theresa even if tina did try. And on the duel 2 she should have been top 4 over diem. Jillan did not do great on gauntlet 2. She only made it far because the veterans lost most of the girl days.. On fresh meat 2 she almost lost to danny and sandy which is kinda bad
I agree that it would've been A1 had Sahar and Eric gotten A CHANCE TO SHINE OVER Knight and Jemmye. Nothing against them since they actually stood out on B2NO but they been on too much.
To add to what made the Fresh Meat 2 ending so satisfying for me was how the final Challenge before the Final went down. This is the best and most fair way they ever determined a Final to me. Run a mini Final obstacle course and the top 3 teams automatically go to the Final, while the bottom 2 have to battle it out in an elimination to earn their way in. Takes the politics completely out and everyone has to earn their spot.
No people like Devyn (even though I <3 her) slipping through the cracks. The real physical competitors earn their way in automatically regardless of their political standing.
I'll start off by saying one of my favorite finals was the BOTSexes 1. I felt TERRIBLE for Ruthie (who dominated), Lori & Melissa who could have possibly won (not a definite) against Mark, Jamie & Colin after the boys "copied" their puzzle to advance. I don't have an opinion on whether this was good or bad, I liked both teams, but it was an exciting final to me.
Good:
BOTSeasons 1: I LOVED Miz & Coral, Sean & Elka, and Danny & Kelley (1/2 of whom never came back!) so this was a great win for me. I could not STAND Holly (Maximum Velocity Tour) and although I liked Theo, I did not want Holly to win. To make it even sweeter, the deals struck between RW/RR team members to ensure everyone left with something was really nice.... ESPECIALLY because Holly opted not to share with Coral if she won, and she lost becoming the only finalist not to take home a piece of the final prize money (I believe this was confirmed on a reunion or special).
Inferno 1: After the treatment of Katie (who yes, was a liability) and Kendal (for not throwing a mission to save Timmy) I was really happy that they were part of the winning team. It sucked that a few other people on that team won, but those 2 winning was nice to see.
*This kind of appliea applies to the Gaunlet 1 too, but I wasn't as happy. I was super happy for Sarah winning, but aside from her, I thought the RR team (who I actually REALLY like most of) played such a cowardly game. For such a strong set of competitors (Theo, Adam, Darrell, Rachel etc, all in their heyday were pretty good competitors) they sure played scared (or smart?) and this drug the finale of one of my favorite seasons down.
Bad:
BOTSeasons 2 & Free Agents: See basically everyone else who said bad.
Most sastifying anytime JEK has won especially Bananas
but I'll do specific ones.
The Duel: I loved Wes on his RW season and I love how he dominated in exiles with the worst challenge competitor ever and still made it to the finals so at this point I was rooting for him. I loved that he won the most individual challenge yet (Duel 2 was mostly a pairs challenge, too predictable) but the Duel, Wes wasn't in the main alliance and did some amazing politics as usual to make it to the end. He also beat Derrick in a brutal elimination round. He won challenges at the end when it mattered most and made his own little alliance that actually survived long. So Props to Wes
Free Agents: Bananas' winning this was amazing because everyone always discredits him for his wins (which is ridiculous) but this one you can't really say he didn't deserve or win this one fair and square. He took out three people, had no alliance basically, and beasted on the final by carrying Devyn, firguring out the trick to the puzzle, and killing the bike/mountain part. #TeamBananas
Dissapointed wins
Cutthroat: I hated seeing red win. I am glad Brad finally got his first win but I don't think they deserved it. The final just happened to completely fall apart for the other teams leading red to win. I also really wanted blue to win. I love Jenn/Derrick/Bananas. The outcome sucked. I also hated how Abe fell apart on the final, I would have loved to see him win as well.
Fresh Meat: I like Darrel/Aviv but I wish Derrick/Diem would have beat them in exile and then won the final. That would have been amazing. They were my favorite team that season and Diem sure as hell deserved it.
BOTS: Why did Alton have to throw it.... I think Vegas would have won it all and that would have pissed San Diego off so much. I couldn't stand the way Zach/Frank acted that season.
Most satisfying:
1. Inferno II - Pretty much the perfect season, although I wish Brad was in Darrell's place. Glad that Jamie Landon and Miz were 3 of the final 4 though, they were my favorites. Kudos to the Good Guys for taking the game back towards the end of the season.
Least satisfying:
1. BOTS 2 - Frank was a **** the whole season, Zach followed him around, Sam was just a punching bag, and Ashley was just wallpaper. Especially disappointing because Sarah and Dustin was also in the final and I wanted both of them to win way more than SD.
I'm not saying you're saying this, but I watched Sexes 2 before I watched Sexes 1 and in the pre show special of Sexes 2 all of the girls were talking about how they got screwed on this first one because the boys copied their puzzle. I figured this meant that at the very end of the Final on a puzzle the guys copied the girls and barely won. This was not the case. After the puzzle there was a whole course where I think they had to carry and walk across planks and there was some rope or nets involved too. Anyway, the girls were extremely slow at the course and basically couldn't do it which is why they lost. Even if the guys hadn't been able to copy the puzzle they would have eventually gotten it and still smoked the girls on the course before the finish. The girls in the Final or anyone else who says their puzzle getting copied determined it is using an excuse and a poor one at that. A minute or two extra on the puzzle would not have changed how the course at the end went.
I think your list is extremely good and fair. I can't stand Johnny but even I know most of his wins can't be disputed. He deserved almost all of his wins but I agree Free Agents was his MOST earned victory. Zero alliances, he had a target on his back the whole time, and he actually won eliminations and came up big in the Final.
I never really thought about disputing his Island win until someone in this very thread posted some info I had forgotten/wasn't aware about. Near the beginning of the game it came down to a vote off between Abe and Johnny, and everyone hating Johnny, he was definately going to get the boot. Abe needed to go home and asked everyone to vote him off and half of the people still voted Johnny off regardless. Had this not happened Johnny would've been one of the first ones off the Island. He would've never became the "leader" because of his loud mouth, his legacy never would've started (at least on this show how it did. He was nothing on these shows prior to Island), and who knows how this could've affected how he went on to do in these shows. Prior to winning with Kenny on this show Johnny was not in with him and Evan as is seen on previous shows. He also would not have been with them as a Champion on The Ruins. It's something I never thought about and it's just some food for thought. I'm not discrediting Johnny or saying he couldn't have still gone on to do good on future shows, it all happened the way it did, but that first big win and him actually becoming a honcho on these shows would've never happened here and who knows what that could've changed.
^ good points. Bananas was really lucky that Abe had to go home. Same with Rivals. He was lucky that MTV made that stupid mistake.
Damn knowing Abram sent himself home makes me not want to watch!!
When people are saying that "Abram needed to go home", do they mean the "official" reason that it was work-related or the rumored (and never actually confirmed that I know of) explanation that he wanted to go be with Coral? I've heard the Coral thing a few times and I also read on one a message board (either Vevmo or another one) that after that relationship ended, Abram kind of stalked Coral and hung around on her porch for a week or something like that. Knowing how weird Abram is, I'm more inclined to believe the Coral stories than the "I have to leave this challenge to take care of my business" explanation!!
More like Unlucky if you ask me.
What about Rivals? What mistake?
Kenny&Wes beat them first day by 40 minutes and reward was that second day they had 2 minute headstart.
I think it was silly and stupid. I do not think they knew that it was 2 day challenge and maybe Wes&Kenny give all they got(wes was sick too) to finish it and all their hard work meant nothing. Kinda made first day, hardest day, pointless.
40 minutes is a huge difference. I think they should have done it like they did on FA.
But it was not obviously Bananas fault. He was just lucky.
Thats why I only consider FA and exes his real wins, others are just questionable.
Satisfying
Free Agents - Bananas really deserved this one. Glad Johnny R didn't because that would've been just way too much luck. Avoiding countless elimination rounds that he probably would've lost as I doubt he had a chance in hell of beating half of the cast.
Disappointing
Duel - While I think Wes' road to that point (couting with FM 1) was ok, it was CT's challenge. He lost because of a bs technicality that made it an impossible elimination to win in a normal way unless the opponent was Casey.
Seasons 2 - I didn't like some team choices that made it unbalanced or just plain weird (like the FM team) but it ended up being Alton 2.0 that ruined that season almost entirely for me. :/ And Frank was really obnoxious there... In the one season I actually didn't mind him he got sent home due to sickness. :/
Regarding the Rivals 1 final thing I really hate that format. And that format has been used in more challenges since then. Basically makes the first day worthless. You lose 90% of the lead you gained. It's ridiculous.
For me it is Rivals 1 too ^. Like Kenny should have not hurry so much, carry Wes, eat so fast bc first day was pointless. Wes was sick too, he probably gave all he got and for what? For 2 minutes?
Its seems like Tyler and Bananas give up already knowing Kenny&Wes were 40min ahead and took their time to finish it for second place and Kenny&Wes rushed not to lose their lead. No wonder second day ended like that.
That is just unbelieveable, epic fail.
Also, I like out of the 4 Tyler probably the most but still, it was clearly a Wes&Kennys finale. Kenny is really a beast in finales and I think that proved it. He has endurance for days.
Janelle winning on inferno 3 was very disappointing
I can't stand Janelle...
@JEKFAN
Ive been a longtime reader and i do not think i ever disagreed with one of your posts... besides your username
Lol. Thanks
well I like your username hehe
LOL, Take a number.
I'm sorry Champy but no, they copied their puzzle. and the use of the quotation marks for that one guy is unneeded because they did in fact do it. But yeah.
I dont get the Janelle hate, she was solid on the inferno 3 and she lost to the best girl on her team on the gauntlet 3.
I don't like her as a person. She treated Svetlana horribly and acted so concieted throughout the entire season.
Janelle really did not do that great on the inferno 3, and i would pick Tori as my teammate before Jillian any day
Janelle didn't do bad, she won a lifeshield.
Nah Jill is better then Tori for a team, Jill doesn't cry every time something doesn't go her way
Well Individually i would pick Tori
Why? Jillian won three eliminations on G3 or was it two?
Yeah but it was against brooke and angel.. Her only good win was against janelle
and tori beat Melinda. is Melinda better than Janelle?
I dont think we can base it on the gauntlet 3. We have to base it on there other challenges.... Cutthroat tori did great politically and i think she still would of beat theresa even if tina did try. And on the duel 2 she should have been top 4 over diem. Jillan did not do great on gauntlet 2. She only made it far because the veterans lost most of the girl days.. On fresh meat 2 she almost lost to danny and sandy which is kinda bad
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