The Challenge: Spies, Lies and allies- Tori Deal

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Wes said certain things in a live and I definitely remember he told Laurel on twitter that she's in love with a rapist, referring to Kenny.

I've heard Susie, Sarah, and Bananas deny anything past a prank happened. I haven't heard anyone else who was there address it. Who are the other people who came forward and said nothing happened? 

Wes wasn't there when it happened. He was in Thailand but not in the room. 8 people were in the room including Kenny Tonya and Evan.  The 3 you said Katie and the one that claims something happened. I won't throw them under the bus as a certain poster here back in the day that knows Tonya told me who said it happened in confidence but it should be easy to figure out based on who has and hasn't returned or had a relationship with BMP. Katie has made it clear nothing happened and she hated them even before The Ruins.  

My guess about the castmember who told Tonya and hasn't been back would actually be Kim.

Where did Katie make it clear nothing happened? And the other people who were part of the 8? I always see talk about Wes, Katie, and Veronica telling her what happened, but don't know where that's from either. If Wes wasn't there, it's pretty sh*tty of him to accuse them.

I'm not saying I believe they did it. The most plausible story from listening to Susie and Sarah talk about it multiple times is that they took a picture with a toothbrush near that area but didn't touch her. I just have only seen 2 or 3 castmembers emphatically go on the record denying it was rape. Others have been vague or don't want to touch the subject. 

Sidenote: there was a weird beef a few years ago between Susie, Sarah, and KellyAnne. KellyAnne said the Tonya thing did happen and Sarah had something to do with it, but that could mean different things, like Sarah saw it and did nothing.

Sorry that was long, but you seem to know more about what's on the record than I do.

Wes said certain things in a live and I definitely remember he told Laurel on twitter that she's in love with a rapist, referring to Kenny.

I've heard Susie, Sarah, and Bananas deny anything past a prank happened. I haven't heard anyone else who was there address it. Who are the other people who came forward and said nothing happened? 

Wes wasn't there when it happened. He was in Thailand but not in the room. 8 people were in the room including Kenny Tonya and Evan.  The 3 you said Katie and the one that claims something happened. I won't throw them under the bus as a certain poster here back in the day that knows Tonya told me who said it happened in confidence but it should be easy to figure out based on who has and hasn't returned or had a relationship with BMP. Katie has made it clear nothing happened and she hated them even before The Ruins.  

My guess about the castmember who told Tonya and hasn't been back would actually be Kim.

Where did Katie make it clear nothing happened? And the other people who were part of the 8? I always see talk about Wes, Katie, and Veronica telling her what happened, but don't know where that's from either. If Wes wasn't there, it's pretty sh*tty of him to accuse them.

I'm not saying I believe they did it. The most plausible story from listening to Susie and Sarah talk about it multiple times is that they took a picture with a toothbrush near that area but didn't touch her. I just have only seen 2 or 3 castmembers emphatically go on the record denying it was rape. Others have been vague or don't want to touch the subject. 

Sidenote: there was a weird beef a few years ago between Susie, Sarah, and KellyAnne. KellyAnne said the Tonya thing did happen and Sarah had something to do with it, but that could mean different things, like Sarah saw it and did nothing.

Sorry that was long, but you seem to know more about what's on the record than I do.

So...long story short based on the court case preparation.   Wes & KellyAnne were the first two to tell Tonya that they heard it from someone else.  Veronica also stated she heard it secondhand and wasn't present.   Katie, Susie, Sarah and John all stated that nothing happened.  Katie is friends (or was) with Tonya and would never empathetically deny it happened in public.  She's not going to talk about the topic at all.  Those that know Tonya were very disappointed with Katie's version of the events.  They thought for sure she was going to be the key to them winning the case and she flat out said nothing happened.  BMP settled based on one version (standard policy) and were hoping it would stay quiet (also normal but didn't happen).  I want to comment on the Kim part but if I deny it then it's clear who it is and if I say it was her then obviously it's clear  lmao.   Tonya, Evan, Kenny, Sarah, Susie, John, Katie and the one that claim something happened were the only people in the room.

I hope Tori is messy this season.

 

Wes said certain things in a live and I definitely remember he told Laurel on twitter that she's in love with a rapist, referring to Kenny.

I've heard Susie, Sarah, and Bananas deny anything past a prank happened. I haven't heard anyone else who was there address it. Who are the other people who came forward and said nothing happened? 

Wes wasn't there when it happened. He was in Thailand but not in the room. 8 people were in the room including Kenny Tonya and Evan.  The 3 you said Katie and the one that claims something happened. I won't throw them under the bus as a certain poster here back in the day that knows Tonya told me who said it happened in confidence but it should be easy to figure out based on who has and hasn't returned or had a relationship with BMP. Katie has made it clear nothing happened and she hated them even before The Ruins.  

My guess about the castmember who told Tonya and hasn't been back would actually be Kim.

Where did Katie make it clear nothing happened? And the other people who were part of the 8? I always see talk about Wes, Katie, and Veronica telling her what happened, but don't know where that's from either. If Wes wasn't there, it's pretty sh*tty of him to accuse them.

I'm not saying I believe they did it. The most plausible story from listening to Susie and Sarah talk about it multiple times is that they took a picture with a toothbrush near that area but didn't touch her. I just have only seen 2 or 3 castmembers emphatically go on the record denying it was rape. Others have been vague or don't want to touch the subject. 

Sidenote: there was a weird beef a few years ago between Susie, Sarah, and KellyAnne. KellyAnne said the Tonya thing did happen and Sarah had something to do with it, but that could mean different things, like Sarah saw it and did nothing.

Sorry that was long, but you seem to know more about what's on the record than I do.

So...long story short based on the court case preparation.   Wes & KellyAnne were the first two to tell Tonya that they heard it from someone else.  Veronica also stated she heard it secondhand and wasn't present.   Katie, Susie, Sarah and John all stated that nothing happened.  Katie is friends (or was) with Tonya and would never empathetically deny it happened in public.  She's not going to talk about the topic at all.  Those that know Tonya were very disappointed with Katie's version of the events.  They thought for sure she was going to be the key to them winning the case and she flat out said nothing happened.  BMP settled based on one version (standard policy) and were hoping it would stay quiet (also normal but didn't happen).  I want to comment on the Kim part but if I deny it then it's clear who it is and if I say it was her then obviously it's clear  lmao.   Tonya, Evan, Kenny, Sarah, Susie, John, Katie and the one that claim something happened were the only people in the room.

Just one more thing because this is Tori's thread: Did you get the information on the court case preparation from the poster you mentioned who said they knew Tonya?

Just one more thing because this is Tori's thread: Did you get the information on the court case preparation from the poster you mentioned who said they knew Tonya?

Yes--and they definitely know Tonya--they've proven that.  However, they believe Katie and others are lying.

I honestly don't believe Katie would lie about something like that. She doesn't seem like the type, but granted, we really don't know these people behind closed doors. And rape is a whole different ballgame than other scandals. You'd be surprised who comes out as trash when someone accuses someone else of rape.

I honestly don't believe Katie would lie about something like that. She doesn't seem like the type, but granted, we really don't know these people behind closed doors. And rape is a whole different ballgame than other scandals. You'd be surprised who comes out as trash when someone accuses someone else of rape.

Katie's the one that I trust by far the most that was in the group.  Had she said something happened I would have believed her.  She had nothing to gain by defending Evan/Kenny at that point.  The complaint was filed after Cutthroat was filmed.  

 

I honestly don't believe Katie would lie about something like that. She doesn't seem like the type, but granted, we really don't know these people behind closed doors. And rape is a whole different ballgame than other scandals. You'd be surprised who comes out as trash when someone accuses someone else of rape.

Katie's the one that I trust by far the most that was in the group.  Had she said something happened I would have believed her.  She had nothing to gain by defending Evan/Kenny at that point.  The complaint was filed after Cutthroat was filmed.  

definitely agreed with you here! And to add that Katie was very against doing more challenges up until all stars (with BOTS i think being the exception) 

at the end of the day i dont think any of us will ever know what fully/truly happened, because tonya was in a bad place mentally that szn and production shouldve never cleared her for that show and they totally exploited her, kenny and evan are both trash human beings and the rest of the cast has given conflicting reports

 

 

I honestly don't believe Katie would lie about something like that. She doesn't seem like the type, but granted, we really don't know these people behind closed doors. And rape is a whole different ballgame than other scandals. You'd be surprised who comes out as trash when someone accuses someone else of rape.

Katie's the one that I trust by far the most that was in the group.  Had she said something happened I would have believed her.  She had nothing to gain by defending Evan/Kenny at that point.  The complaint was filed after Cutthroat was filmed.  

definitely agreed with you here! And to add that Katie was very against doing more challenges up until all stars (with BOTS i think being the exception) 

at the end of the day i dont think any of us will ever know what fully/truly happened, because tonya was in a bad place mentally that szn and production shouldve never cleared her for that show and they totally exploited her, kenny and evan are both trash human beings and the rest of the cast has given conflicting reports

Same page.  I'm glad Tonya got paid because regardless of what did or didn't happen she was exploited by BMP and MTV.

I feel like Tori will be less annoying this season but the damage has been done already 

I feel like Tori will be less annoying this season but the damage has been done already 

Tori will fall into old habits eventually.

She just started her onlyfans and now this happens lol

https://twitter.com/variety/status/1428424103808094212?s=21

I feel like Tori will be less annoying this season but the damage has been done already 

she and Aneesa have been fine so far, but I know that won't last long and they will get annoying

 

I feel like Tori will be less annoying this season but the damage has been done already 

she and Aneesa have been fine so far, but I know that won't last long and they will get annoying

She just started her onlyfans and now this happens lol

https://twitter.com/variety/status/1428424103808094212?s=21

LMAOOO pink!!!  

How do people have so much money to pay for so many different OnlyFans? And who would waste money to see some of these people fake naked and photoshopped? Humans are weird.

How do people have so much money to pay for so many different OnlyFans? And who would waste money to see some of these people fake naked and photoshopped? Humans are weird.

they're not "fake naked" lol what

i agree I would never pay for someone's onlyfans but most people who get naked on there do it for real. Ask jemmye, Rogan, even Darrell lol etc 

FRAUD

**** this homophobic escort

FRAUD

"She is a fat cu nt"

"You are the champion of SUCKING every guy off in this house"

Shes got that throwing a hot dog down a hallway punani

Titans please drown this ***** on all her social media. Please and thank you in advance Smile

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