The Challenge: Invasion (Spoilers Discussion)

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Here's my unpopular opinion:I like Ashley, and have liked her more and more since Explosion, but I think she's extremely overrated. Winning this season is awesome, and good on her for becoming a champion, won't take that away from her at all. But I don't think she's that great of a competitor, and I'd put her below Nicole and Jenna on the Underdogs. I get she beat Nicole on the final, but we have yet to see what happens.If the eliminations were Champions vs. Underdogs, I don't think any of the Underdogs wouldve made the final except Nicole and maybe Jenna. Again, I like Ashley and think she's doing good this season, but not great. I look forward to seeing her in the final, and I have a feeling endurance and mentality is going to come in it and separate her from Camila and Nicole. I also have a bad feeling partners is going to be the difference maker in the final, Free Agents style.I'll continue to like Ashley, but I just think she's overrated and is simply "good" to "above average". The one thing I think she has over Nicole as the"top UD" is the passion to win. I think Nicole is taking the whole experience in, the competition, social game, partying, hooking up, and Ashley simply has the money in mind, it being her second challenge is helping her with that. 

I actually agree with you. I honestly think that Ashley is a solid competitor with the potential to be above average. But in no way is that ***** elite. 

Exactly. She's no slouch, by any means. She can definitely hold her own, and she has the drive to win which puts her above other females these days. She takes the competition seriously and it make sure her seem like a stronger competitor, and it does mentally and competitively. But she's not going to kill physical challenge she and eliminations and get to the final that way the way that Rachel, Jodi,  Laurel, Evelyn, Emily, Cara Maria, hell even Camila and Aneesa could do and have done. Nicole can do that. Ashley will never hold anybody back, or be a lay up to bring far into the game, but she's never going to be someone who is unstoppable in competition. She also has the personality that people love to cheer for, and it blinds a lot of her fans.

Ashley was the first girl to ring the bell in the 3-way elimination.

You sure about that? Cause I'm not.

And even if one of your "inside sources" says so, it's clear as day that Ashley and Amanda worked together against Nicole. Look at how they start, Ashley and Amanda are within incenses on each other. If it wasn't two alliance members vs. one, it would've been fair. But two vs. one is hard to be, especially when the two don't want to face each other in the final round because they're friends.

I guarantee you, Ashley didn't or doesn't win that elimination just because she's "stronger".

Here's my unpopular opinion:I like Ashley, and have liked her more and more since Explosion, but I think she's extremely overrated. Winning this season is awesome, and good on her for becoming a champion, won't take that away from her at all. But I don't think she's that great of a competitor, and I'd put her below Nicole and Jenna on the Underdogs. I get she beat Nicole on the final, but we have yet to see what happens.If the eliminations were Champions vs. Underdogs, I don't think any of the Underdogs wouldve made the final except Nicole and maybe Jenna. Again, I like Ashley and think she's doing good this season, but not great. I look forward to seeing her in the final, and I have a feeling endurance and mentality is going to come in it and separate her from Camila and Nicole. I also have a bad feeling partners is going to be the difference maker in the final, Free Agents style.I'll continue to like Ashley, but I just think she's overrated and is simply "good" to "above average". The one thing I think she has over Nicole as the"top UD" is the passion to win. I think Nicole is taking the whole experience in, the competition, social game, partying, hooking up, and Ashley simply has the money in mind, it being her second challenge is helping her with that. 

I agree with you too, it's too early to call her next Evelyn. By far, she has done nothing exceptional ( loosing to Christina and nate .. ) except being fu**ing guys and accusing them of cheating after that.

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Morris1721 wrote:Here's my unpopular opinion:I like Ashley, and have liked her more and more since Explosion, but I think she's extremely overrated. Winning this season is awesome, and good on her for becoming a champion, won't take that away from her at all. But I don't think she's that great of a competitor, and I'd put her below Nicole and Jenna on the Underdogs. I get she beat Nicole on the final, but we have yet to see what happens.If the eliminations were Champions vs. Underdogs, I don't think any of the Underdogs wouldve made the final except Nicole and maybe Jenna. Again, I like Ashley and think she's doing good this season, but not great. I look forward to seeing her in the final, and I have a feeling endurance and mentality is going to come in it and separate her from Camila and Nicole. I also have a bad feeling partners is going to be the difference maker in the final, Free Agents style.I'll continue to like Ashley, but I just think she's overrated and is simply "good" to "above average". The one thing I think she has over Nicole as the"top UD" is the passion to win. I think Nicole is taking the whole experience in, the competition, social game, partying, hooking up, and Ashley simply has the money in mind, it being her second challenge is helping her with that. 

I actually agree with you. I honestly think that Ashley is a solid competitor with the potential to be above average. But in no way is that ***** elite. 

Exactly. She's no slouch, by any means. She can definitely hold her own, and she has the drive to win which puts her above other females these days. She takes the competition seriously and it make sure her seem like a stronger competitor, and it does mentally and competitively. But she's not going to kill physical challenge she and eliminations and get to the final that way the way that Rachel, Jodi,  Laurel, Evelyn, Emily, Cara Maria, hell even Camila and Aneesa could do and have done. Nicole can do that. Ashley will never hold anybody back, or be a lay up to bring far into the game, but she's never going to be someone who is unstoppable in competition. She also has the personality that people love to cheer for, and it blinds a lot of her fans.

Can you elaborate on this? Because to me personality wise she seems like another one in the long line of crazy, trashy girls that have been on this show...or maybe that's it.

Ashley was the first girl to ring the bell in the 3-way elimination.

It was a 2vs1 so ... 

I mean they did show Ashley in the mid season trailer in that 3-way elimination I believe. I am still waiting til the season ends, but I like what she has brought to the table.

Nicole, while a good competitor...yeah I don't care to see her eat peanut butter.

right. you don't sound biased at all.

Ashleys overrated but you think Nicole could beat Evelyn lol. Am i sipping this right? ☕️

Ashleys overrated but you think Nicole could beat Evelyn lol. Am i sipping this right? ☕️

I don't necessarily disagree with that; I think Nicole could beat Evelyn on something physical (along with Emily, Cooke & Laurel). Evelyn is a lot smarter though & that could play into things.

Ashleys overrated but you think Nicole could beat Evelyn lol. Am i sipping this right? ☕️

Yes. Exactly. Keep sipping, don't choke.

I don't necessarily disagree with that; I think Nicole could beat Evelyn on something physical (along with Emily, Cooke & Laurel). Evelyn is a lot smarter though & that could play into things.

idk I just think ev would win I mean who knows we will never find out I don't see Nicole beating Emily Laurel or Cooke in anything physical there so much bigger than her in height same with Nia if Nicole went  into hall brawl against any of them she would lose 

You are basing Nicole can beat Evelyn based on her winning the first mission? Like yeah Nicole can beat Evelyn in a peanut butter contest, faking an accent contest..

Morris1721 wrote:

Debut Album wrote:

Morris1721 wrote:Here's my unpopular opinion:I like Ashley, and have liked her more and more since Explosion, but I think she's extremely overrated. Winning this season is awesome, and good on her for becoming a champion, won't take that away from her at all. But I don't think she's that great of a competitor, and I'd put her below Nicole and Jenna on the Underdogs. I get she beat Nicole on the final, but we have yet to see what happens.If the eliminations were Champions vs. Underdogs, I don't think any of the Underdogs wouldve made the final except Nicole and maybe Jenna. Again, I like Ashley and think she's doing good this season, but not great. I look forward to seeing her in the final, and I have a feeling endurance and mentality is going to come in it and separate her from Camila and Nicole. I also have a bad feeling partners is going to be the difference maker in the final, Free Agents style.I'll continue to like Ashley, but I just think she's overrated and is simply "good" to "above average". The one thing I think she has over Nicole as the"top UD" is the passion to win. I think Nicole is taking the whole experience in, the competition, social game, partying, hooking up, and Ashley simply has the money in mind, it being her second challenge is helping her with that. 

I actually agree with you. I honestly think that Ashley is a solid competitor with the potential to be above average. But in no way is that ***** elite. 

Exactly. She's no slouch, by any means. She can definitely hold her own, and she has the drive to win which puts her above other females these days. She takes the competition seriously and it make sure her seem like a stronger competitor, and it does mentally and competitively. But she's not going to kill physical challenge she and eliminations and get to the final that way the way that Rachel, Jodi,  Laurel, Evelyn, Emily, Cara Maria, hell even Camila and Aneesa could do and have done. Nicole can do that. Ashley will never hold anybody back, or be a lay up to bring far into the game, but she's never going to be someone who is unstoppable in competition. She also has the personality that people love to cheer for, and it blinds a lot of her fans.

Can you elaborate on this? Because to me personality wise she seems like another one in the long line of crazy, trashy girls that have been on this show...or maybe that's it.

Thats why everyone loves her, because she's crazy with the "IDGAF" attitude. I like her, I think she's funny at times and she doesn't annoy me, but I get the feeling she is hyped up so much because she gives off the "bad *****" persona to a degree and people like that she is crazy and sloppy.

 I don't mind it,  but everyone combined that with the fact that she won and crowned her the next amazing female on these shows. And people put her in the same category as Jodi and Rachel because they won individual formats, but as this season has progressed it's been shown to be much more of a team game than an individual one. Jodi and Rachel had partners, but they were also on seasons where it was much more difficult to excel due to format.

when the edit about to switch to the Ashley Mitchell show > 

Exactly. She's no slouch, by any means. She can definitely hold her own, and she has the drive to win which puts her above other females these days. She takes the competition seriously and it make sure her seem like a stronger competitor, and it does mentally and competitively. But she's not going to kill physical challenge she and eliminations and get to the final that way the way that Rachel, Jodi,  Laurel, Evelyn, Emily, Cara Maria, hell even Camila and Aneesa could do and have done. Nicole can do that. Ashley will never hold anybody back, or be a lay up to bring far into the game, but she's never going to be someone who is unstoppable in competition. She also has the personality that people love to cheer for, and it blinds a lot of her fans.

You are basing Nicole can beat Evelyn based on her winning the first mission? Like yeah Nicole can beat Evelyn in a peanut butter contest, faking an accent contest..

And you're basing the "faking the accent" thing off rumors you've heard, typical.

But no, I'm basing it off OPINION, because I'm allowed to have one, and also because Nicole is in better shape than Evelyn was and also because I've seen Nicole do physically more superior things than Evelyn. Not only on the Challenge, but also the Real World, the REAL world, and because as an ex personal training I can see when someone has a more prominent and strengthened core and muscle structure, which Nicole has over Evelyn. So nah, no peanut butter or accents in this competition, your immature and lacking suggestions are just that.

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I don't necessarily disagree with that; I think Nicole could beat Evelyn on something physical (along with Emily, Cooke & Laurel). Evelyn is a lot smarter though & that could play into things.

idk I just think ev would win I mean who knows we will never find out I don't see Nicole beating Emily Laurel or Cooke in anything physical there so much bigger than her in height same with Nia if Nicole went  into hall brawl against any of them she would lose 

I meant that I could see all of those girls beating Evelyn also lol

when the edit about to switch to the Ashley Mitchell show > 

She makes GREAT television, absolutely. Another reason she has earned fans and props, and nothing wrong with it, at all. She gives great confessionals, controls her facial expressions and gives them off well, and can be humorous. All things that add to her value as a personality, but not necessarily a competitor, and that's blinded some people.

when the edit about to switch to the Ashley Mitchell show > 

She makes GREAT television, absolutely. Another reason she has earned fans and props, and nothing wrong with it, at all. She gives great confessionals, controls her facial expressions and gives them off well, and can be humorous. All things that add to her value as a personality, but not necessarily a competitor, and that's blinded some people.

Okay but you claim Ashley benefitted from the format and not having to face the champs, but Nicole did as well. And physical strength is not everything, especially nowadays. When was the last time we got a truly physical elimination? Aneesa vs. Cara on Bloodlines?

Diamonds are Forever wrote:

You are basing Nicole can beat Evelyn based on her winning the first mission? Like yeah Nicole can beat Evelyn in a peanut butter contest, faking an accent contest..

And you're basing the "faking the accent" thing off rumors you've heard, typical.But no, I'm basing it off OPINION, because I'm allowed to have one, and also because Nicole is in better shape than Evelyn was and also because I've seen Nicole do physically more superior things than Evelyn. Not only on the Challenge, but also the Real World, the REAL world, and because as an ex personal training I can see when someone has a more prominent and strengthened core and muscle structure, which Nicole has over Evelyn. So nah, no peanut butter or accents in this competition, your immature and lacking suggestions are just that.

how can it be a rumor when i heard the accent change lol even her sister asked her about her accent on skeletons. her sister whose known nicole her whole life would know what her accent is as opposed to yourself. 

If this was all based on physical strength, CT would be like a 10x champion....

We get it. you have a hard on for nicole. That Stockholm Syndrome doe.

Okay but you claim Ashley benefitted from the format and not having to face the champs, but Nicole did as well. And physical strength is not everything, especially nowadays. When was the last time we got a truly physical elimination? Aneesa vs. Cara on Bloodlines?

I never said Nicole didn't. As you said, she was in the exact same situation as Ashley. If Nicole won, at this point in the competition, I would assume the exact same thing. Partners probably played a role in the final, but because Nicole's is in superior shape to Ashley, I would say it was close between Nicole and Ashley. In regards to the format, i also said that if it were UDs vs. Champions, i firmly believe Nicole and Jenna are the only UDs who could beat Camila, CM, and Laurel.

People act like I believe Ashley is a weak competitor, which I don't. But Ashley is like Ashley Kelsey, she's a good to above average competitor, can hold her own, is likable, and can win if the format helps her out, which they both did. Neither is going to be the weakest on their team, it's not going to shock anybody if they do well, but even though they workout and stay fit, they aren't physically beastly competitors.

History shows that a female who has dedicated their lives to staying fit and actually lifting weights, they excel physically in these challenges. Evelyn, Emily, Cara Maria, Cooke, they've all been excellent and "the best" girl on a challenge, minus Cooke because she was only on a season with Emily. Nicole will be that if she continues to do these show, but Ashley won't.

It might make Ashley a better "challenger"  because she has a win and Nicole doesn't, but if Nicole has to stay in a group with Cooke and Ashley is in one with Sam (exaggeration but the principle is the same) then that's fine. Nicole is a stronger "competitor".

Morris1721 wrote:

Diamonds are Forever wrote:You are basing Nicole can beat Evelyn based on her winning the first mission? Like yeah Nicole can beat Evelyn in a peanut butter contest, faking an accent contest..

And you're basing the "faking the accent" thing off rumors you've heard, typical.But no, I'm basing it off OPINION, because I'm allowed to have one, and also because Nicole is in better shape than Evelyn was and also because I've seen Nicole do physically more superior things than Evelyn. Not only on the Challenge, but also the Real World, the REAL world, and because as an ex personal training I can see when someone has a more prominent and strengthened core and muscle structure, which Nicole has over Evelyn. So nah, no peanut butter or accents in this competition, your immature and lacking suggestions are just that.

how can it be a rumor when i heard the accent change lol even her sister asked her about her accent on skeletons. her sister whose known nicole her whole life would know what her accent is as opposed to yourself. If this was all based on physical strength, CT would be like a 10x champion....We get it. you have a hard on for nicole. That Stockholm Syndrome doe.

 Um we aren't talking about Challenge wins though, so I don't know why you're being CT into it? Cause you're argument says that Bananas is the strongest competitor ever, but CT, Landon, and Darrell are light years ahead of him and have less wins.. Bananas might be a better challenger, but not competitor. So your argument there is inaccurate.

And the last line of your post is cute, petty jabs to try and prove a point and earn brownie points. Nice try, strengthen your argument. Just because I'm a fan of Nicole's doesn't have anything to do with why I'm conversing about it, hence why I'm using history, facts, and real life examples to support my statements while you use terms like "have a hard on" and "doe". That will get you so far, better step your game up if you plan to keep the occupation of "scalping*******".

Diamonds are Forever wrote:

Morris1721 wrote:

Diamonds are Forever wrote:You are basing Nicole can beat Evelyn based on her winning the first mission? Like yeah Nicole can beat Evelyn in a peanut butter contest, faking an accent contest..

And you're basing the "faking the accent" thing off rumors you've heard, typical.But no, I'm basing it off OPINION, because I'm allowed to have one, and also because Nicole is in better shape than Evelyn was and also because I've seen Nicole do physically more superior things than Evelyn. Not only on the Challenge, but also the Real World, the REAL world, and because as an ex personal training I can see when someone has a more prominent and strengthened core and muscle structure, which Nicole has over Evelyn. So nah, no peanut butter or accents in this competition, your immature and lacking suggestions are just that.

how can it be a rumor when i heard the accent change lol even her sister asked her about her accent on skeletons. her sister whose known nicole her whole life would know what her accent is as opposed to yourself. If this was all based on physical strength, CT would be like a 10x champion....We get it. you have a hard on for nicole. That Stockholm Syndrome doe.

 Um we aren't talking about Challenge wins though, so I don't know why you're being CT into it? Cause you're argument says that Bananas is the strongest competitor ever, but CT, Landon, and Darrell are light years ahead of him and have less wins.. Bananas might be a better challenger, but not competitor. So your argument there is inaccurate.And the last line of your post is cute, petty jabs to try and prove a point and earn brownie points. Nice try, strengthen your argument.

No point in strenghtening an argument with someone clearly suffering from stockholm. You are going on about how Nicole does more physically superior things and its like lol. CT does more physically superior things than just about anybody, and if that was the be all, end all he would have the most wins and be better than everyone else. but its not clear cut like that. Sorry but we have not seen enough of Nicole to say she could beat Evelyn physically or anything like that at all. 

And don't be mad about the peanut butter jabs. Not our faults that thats all production has really shown of her. Perhaps that will change when the storyline of her-cara-laurel begins. 

But jeeze, you started with a reach. Most don't agree and you get salty. Relax peanut butter cup.

I'm just curious as to how Nicole lost the final to not one, but two*******. ☕️

Morris1721 wrote:

Diamonds are Forever wrote:

Morris1721 wrote:
Diamonds are Forever wrote:You are basing Nicole can beat Evelyn based on her winning the first mission? Like yeah Nicole can beat Evelyn in a peanut butter contest, faking an accent contest..

And you're basing the "faking the accent" thing off rumors you've heard, typical.But no, I'm basing it off OPINION, because I'm allowed to have one, and also because Nicole is in better shape than Evelyn was and also because I've seen Nicole do physically more superior things than Evelyn. Not only on the Challenge, but also the Real World, the REAL world, and because as an ex personal training I can see when someone has a more prominent and strengthened core and muscle structure, which Nicole has over Evelyn. So nah, no peanut butter or accents in this competition, your immature and lacking suggestions are just that.

how can it be a rumor when i heard the accent change lol even her sister asked her about her accent on skeletons. her sister whose known nicole her whole life would know what her accent is as opposed to yourself. If this was all based on physical strength, CT would be like a 10x champion....We get it. you have a hard on for nicole. That Stockholm Syndrome doe.

 Um we aren't talking about Challenge wins though, so I don't know why you're being CT into it? Cause you're argument says that Bananas is the strongest competitor ever, but CT, Landon, and Darrell are light years ahead of him and have less wins.. Bananas might be a better challenger, but not competitor. So your argument there is inaccurate.And the last line of your post is cute, petty jabs to try and prove a point and earn brownie points. Nice try, strengthen your argument.

No point in strenghtening an argument with someone clearly suffering from stockholm. You are going on about how Nicole does more physically superior things and its like lol. CT does more physically superior things than just about anybody, and if that was the be all, end all he would have the most wins and be better than everyone else. but its not clear cut like that. Sorry but we have not seen enough of Nicole to say she could beat Evelyn physically or anything like that at all. And don't be mad about the peanut butter jabs. Not our faults that thats all production has really shown of her. Perhaps that will change when the storyline of her-cara-laurel begins. But jeeze, you started with a reach. Most don't agree and you get salty. Relax peanut butter cup.

I'm the farthest thing from salty lmao. I can't back up my OPINION? Oh and you continue to go on about wins, when I never said Nicole was going to have more wins. She's a superior competitor physically, and I believe she'd beat Evelyn in something physical. That's my opinion and you're the one who continues to try and change that.. yet, I'm the salty one? Lol. It's obviously by your use of vocabulary and passive-aggressiveness that I'm dealing with someone who was born between hmm.. 1994 and 1999.. And your millennial attitude is shining through, harping on someone else's OPINION. And I didn't bring up anything about "peanut butter" so.. nice try? I guess?

Keep in mind, diamonds are NOT forever, and you're failing miserably at "scalping" anybody. Good luck though!

I'm just curious as to how Nicole lost the final to not one, but two*******. ☕️

The real tragedy was Legend Roda's early exit. 

Diamonds are Forever wrote:

Morris1721 wrote:

Diamonds are Forever wrote:
Morris1721 wrote:
Diamonds are Forever wrote:You are basing Nicole can beat Evelyn based on her winning the first mission? Like yeah Nicole can beat Evelyn in a peanut butter contest, faking an accent contest..

And you're basing the "faking the accent" thing off rumors you've heard, typical.But no, I'm basing it off OPINION, because I'm allowed to have one, and also because Nicole is in better shape than Evelyn was and also because I've seen Nicole do physically more superior things than Evelyn. Not only on the Challenge, but also the Real World, the REAL world, and because as an ex personal training I can see when someone has a more prominent and strengthened core and muscle structure, which Nicole has over Evelyn. So nah, no peanut butter or accents in this competition, your immature and lacking suggestions are just that.

how can it be a rumor when i heard the accent change lol even her sister asked her about her accent on skeletons. her sister whose known nicole her whole life would know what her accent is as opposed to yourself. If this was all based on physical strength, CT would be like a 10x champion....We get it. you have a hard on for nicole. That Stockholm Syndrome doe.

 Um we aren't talking about Challenge wins though, so I don't know why you're being CT into it? Cause you're argument says that Bananas is the strongest competitor ever, but CT, Landon, and Darrell are light years ahead of him and have less wins.. Bananas might be a better challenger, but not competitor. So your argument there is inaccurate.And the last line of your post is cute, petty jabs to try and prove a point and earn brownie points. Nice try, strengthen your argument.

No point in strenghtening an argument with someone clearly suffering from stockholm. You are going on about how Nicole does more physically superior things and its like lol. CT does more physically superior things than just about anybody, and if that was the be all, end all he would have the most wins and be better than everyone else. but its not clear cut like that. Sorry but we have not seen enough of Nicole to say she could beat Evelyn physically or anything like that at all. And don't be mad about the peanut butter jabs. Not our faults that thats all production has really shown of her. Perhaps that will change when the storyline of her-cara-laurel begins. But jeeze, you started with a reach. Most don't agree and you get salty. Relax peanut butter cup.

I'm the farthest thing from salty lmao. I can't back up my OPINION? Oh and you continue to go on about wins, when I never said Nicole was going to have more wins. She's a superior competitor physically, and I believe she'd beat Evelyn in something physical. That's my opinion and you're the one who continues to try and change that.. yet, I'm the salty one? Lol. It's obviously by your use of vocabulary and passive-aggressiveness that I'm dealing with someone who was born between hmm.. 1994 and 1999.. And your millennial attitude is shining through, harping on someone else's OPINION. 

Yes, you are the salty one. As shown in the post, your last post, and the post before that.

Anymore questions? 

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