Jordan is right. While Nia does take responsibility for her behaviour, she ultimately blames others for her actions. She's sorry she did it, but it's because of them that she did it in the first place. No, you choose to behave the way you did, it's all on you.
It's like a child. "I hit him because he... took my toy/wouldn't play with me/ignored me/looked at me, etc." You teach your children not to respond to hurt feelings or being wronged or excluded (or whatever) by lashing out physically or by hurling insults, but unfortunately, many adults never accomplish this. There are certain personalities that need to have the last word and need to hurt others when they're hurt and angry. Nia is one these people, and she always will be. She'll spend her life apologizing.
I really saw no difference between her justifications and Zach's. Everyone was on Zach because he basically said, "I'm sorry that you made me so mad that I said mean things". Nia said the exact same thing. Not about the touching, granted, but about her words, "They did things that made me snap and say all of that stuff". So it's Sarah and Jordan's fault that you have no self-control? People seem to keep saying that Nia is growing up and learning and good for her but she pretty much took no responsiblity for any of the shit that she said. Yeah, I said that stuff...but you made me do it. Last I checked, when they got back to the challenge she FOLLOWED Sarah around insulting her. She also was talking shit loudly in the room with Johnny and Nany, knowing Sarah could hear, and when out when Jordan defended his partner. Nobody made her say anything. She has no self control.
For sure. Nia isn't the only person on these challenges who has no self-control and then blames others for out-of-control or inappropriate behaviour.
You're right. We keep hearing about how she's growing and maturing and that Portland/Hurricane Nia isn't the real Nia. I don't see that at all. Sure, there might be more to her than Hurricane Nia, but when it comes down to it, her lack of self-control, immaturity, vindictiveness, and bullying is still very much a part of her. When things don't go the way she wants them to go, this is who she is. Full stop.
I think Jenna's getting way too much credit. She was ready to quit on the road, before the drink. The vibe I got from her was happiness that he said it first so she didn't have to and then she said all the right stuff to still look good. And everyone fell for it.
Exactly. Jenna was the weak link in the beginning of the final and when Jay kept telling her to run, she said "Oh my god, you're so annoying." and wanted to walk the entire time. There is no way in hell she would've been able to climb the mountain. They were both screwed from the start. The fact that Jenna got deemed the MVP is laughable. I feel like they said that just to **** Jay off.
This. And at the end of the day, Jenna still can't even muster any change in expression to show she even cares.
Jordan is right. While Nia does take responsibility for her behaviour, she ultimately blames others for her actions. She's sorry she did it, but it's because of them that she did it in the first place. No, you choose to behave the way you did, it's all on you.
It's like a child. "I hit him because he... took my toy/wouldn't play with me/ignored me/looked at me, etc." You teach your children not to respond to hurt feelings or being wronged or excluded (or whatever) by lashing out physically or by hurling insults, but unfortunately, many adults never accomplish this. There are certain personalities that need to have the last word and need to hurt others when they're hurt and angry. Nia is one these people, and she always will be. She'll spend her life apologizing.
I really saw no difference between her justifications and Zach's. Everyone was on Zach because he basically said, "I'm sorry that you made me so mad that I said mean things". Nia said the exact same thing. Not about the touching, granted, but about her words, "They did things that made me snap and say all of that stuff". So it's Sarah and Jordan's fault that you have no self-control? People seem to keep saying that Nia is growing up and learning and good for her but she pretty much took no responsiblity for any of the shit that she said. Yeah, I said that stuff...but you made me do it. Last I checked, when they got back to the challenge she FOLLOWED Sarah around insulting her. She also was talking shit loudly in the room with Johnny and Nany, knowing Sarah could hear, and when out when Jordan defended his partner. Nobody made her say anything. She has no self control.
Leroy is partly to blame for not putting her in check and making sure she doesn't wild out. He could have tried a bit harder on that.
Jordan acts like he's innocent in their whole feud. Let's not forget when he choked her on Portland.
Don't be so dramatic. Holding someone's neck and choking someone is two different things. Not to make any excuses for him being an ***, but he was provoked then. Jordan actually showed a lot of maturity the way he handled things this season, which I don't see people giving him enough credit for. If she was acting like that towards me I would've went ape shit. But he was very calm and collected and didn't stoop down to her level.
Theresa didn't "turn on Nany"....Wes and Johnny were on different sides from the start--that put them on opposite sides. And Theresa never said anything untrue about Nany. Nany did sleep with most of the cast at some point. Their fight is all about Nany's insecurities. And I never had any issue with Nany until this season.
But a cast has 20-30 castmembers, Nany has hooked up with what, 6-7 people and some aren't even on the actual season so it isn't true. Regardless, you can be on different sides without having to shit on your friend. Saying "haha who hasn't nany slept with? ;)" to people and bashing her with people who already didnt like her...that's much more than just preaching honesty.
6-7 is about half the male cast...it isn't false. "Who hasn't she slept" with is a fair statement? Is CT going to get mad if someone makes that comment about him...absolutely not. Again, this is about Nany being insecure. The Nany defenders have lost their mind here. Nany owns her actions there isn't a problem
those numbers include females though so that opens the gate to both genders, even then the line is still false, because shre hasn't slept with a ton of people. I think you're missing that this wasn't something she just said to Nany or to ya know her friends or anything, but to people who were already against her and said it in a vindictive manner.
Nany absolutely has slept with a ton of people and there's nothing wrong with that.
If you don't want people to hate you for sleeping with their ex then don't sleep with their ex...it is a real simply conversation. I slept with the now-wife of one of my best friends in college after the broke up. I was upfront about it from the beginning and we've never had a problem I was even in their wedding. Nany doesn't like to own shit--she the bullshit conversation with Averey. If you sleep with someone don't make excuses. Be an adult. Nany is insecure ABOUT WHAT SHE'S DONE. That's the real problem not Theresa. If she was okay with what she had done then Theresa's comments wouldn't have bothered her but here we are.
I had a problem with people acting like Averey was doing something wrong because she doesn't want to be friends with Nany. She doesn't have to be cool with the girl who slept with her ex. She's not in the wrong for that. Nany didn't actually wrong her either since they were broken up - but why does Averey get such crap for having feelings about it? I don't want to have heartfelt conversations with my ex's hookups either.
I don't think anyone expects Averey to be friends with Nany. That's an unrealistic expectation given their situation. What I don't like is Averey trying to make Nany out to be the bad guy just because she's bitter that Johnny dumped her. Sure it sucks that she got dumped and still has unresolved feelings for Johnny, but that has nothing to do with Nany. Nany is simply the girl Johnny screwed AFTER he became a single man. Yet with all the bitter hatred Averey was spewing her way this season, you'd think Nany was the reason Johnny dumped her.
Theresa didn't "turn on Nany"....Wes and Johnny were on different sides from the start--that put them on opposite sides. And Theresa never said anything untrue about Nany. Nany did sleep with most of the cast at some point. Their fight is all about Nany's insecurities. And I never had any issue with Nany until this season.
But a cast has 20-30 castmembers, Nany has hooked up with what, 6-7 people and some aren't even on the actual season so it isn't true. Regardless, you can be on different sides without having to shit on your friend. Saying "haha who hasn't nany slept with? ;)" to people and bashing her with people who already didnt like her...that's much more than just preaching honesty.
6-7 is about half the male cast...it isn't false. "Who hasn't she slept" with is a fair statement? Is CT going to get mad if someone makes that comment about him...absolutely not. Again, this is about Nany being insecure. The Nany defenders have lost their mind here. Nany owns her actions there isn't a problem
those numbers include females though so that opens the gate to both genders, even then the line is still false, because shre hasn't slept with a ton of people. I think you're missing that this wasn't something she just said to Nany or to ya know her friends or anything, but to people who were already against her and said it in a vindictive manner.
Nany absolutely has slept with a ton of people and there's nothing wrong with that.
If you don't want people to hate you for sleeping with their ex then don't sleep with their ex...it is a real simply conversation. I slept with the now-wife of one of my best friends in college after the broke up. I was upfront about it from the beginning and we've never had a problem I was even in their wedding. Nany doesn't like to own shit--she the bullshit conversation with Averey. If you sleep with someone don't make excuses. Be an adult. Nany is insecure ABOUT WHAT SHE'S DONE. That's the real problem not Theresa. If she was okay with what she had done then Theresa's comments wouldn't have bothered her but here we are.
I had a problem with people acting like Averey was doing something wrong because she doesn't want to be friends with Nany. She doesn't have to be cool with the girl who slept with her ex. She's not in the wrong for that. Nany didn't actually wrong her either since they were broken up - but why does Averey get such crap for having feelings about it? I don't want to have heartfelt conversations with my ex's hookups either.
I don't think anyone expects Averey to be friends with Nany. That's an unrealistic expectation given their situation. What I don't like is Averey trying to make Nany out to be the bad guy just because she's bitter that Johnny dumped her. Sure it sucks that she got dumped and still has unresolved feelings for Johnny, but that has nothing to do with Nany. Nany is simply the girl Johnny screwed AFTER he became a single man. Yet with all the bitter hatred Averey was spewing her way this season, you'd think Nany was the reason Johnny dumped her.
I'm incredibly dissatisfied with not having a shit they should have shown segment. Especially with the passing of Knight and Diem (may they rest in peace), it would have been nice seeing some more behind the scene footage of them and the rest of the cast.
i agree Nany gets way to much flack for what she and Johnny did.....well she should get some ...for hurting Cohutta... but Johnny was a single man.
I don't think Cohutta was hurt at all.
And it's not about Nany's insecurities. It's about someone who she considered a freind badmouthing her to all the other girls and just being fake and Shady as hell. I wouldn't like that either.
I'm incredibly dissatisfied with not having a shit they should have shown segment. Especially with the passing of Knight and Diem (may they rest in peace), it would have been nice seeing some more behind the scene footage of them and the rest of the cast.
They did. It aired before the finale. Diem wasn't in it much.
Unfortunately, Leroy and Theresa will always be middle/upper-middle tier players. They'll never be elite like CT or Bananas. Jordan and Sarah are upper-middle/elite players.
i agree Nany gets way to much flack for what she and Johnny did.....well she should get some ...for hurting Cohutta... but Johnny was a single man.
I don't think Cohutta was hurt at all.
And it's not about Nany's insecurities. It's about someone who she considered a freind badmouthing her to all the other girls and just being fake and Shady as hell. I wouldn't like that either.
Zach actually was very eloquent (surprisingly) about Knight in describing him with the most grace possible. It was true that he unfortunately never got it together away from the show, but his passion for being on the challenges shined through. and the fun he clearly had was inmeasurable., these shows provided so much for him. The **** show segment with knights prank scavenger hunt was really touching. really nice book ends of the 3 hour block of programming
Yeah, what Zach said about Knight was very sweet and real. I know they were close so that must have been hard to talk about. That was a touching moment.
i agree Nany gets way to much flack for what she and Johnny did.....well she should get some ...for hurting Cohutta... but Johnny was a single man.
I don't think Cohutta was hurt at all.
And it's not about Nany's insecurities. It's about someone who she considered a freind badmouthing her to all the other girls and just being fake and Shady as hell. I wouldn't like that either.
True. Theresa never even explained what problem she had with Nany was. She just randomly turned on her and had two other girls join in on throwing shade.
i agree Nany gets way to much flack for what she and Johnny did.....well she should get some ...for hurting Cohutta... but Johnny was a single man.
I don't think Cohutta was hurt at all.
And it's not about Nany's insecurities. It's about someone who she considered a freind badmouthing her to all the other girls and just being fake and Shady as hell. I wouldn't like that either.
True. Theresa never even explained what problem she had with Nany was. She just randomly turned on her and had two other girls join in on throwing shade.
I don't undestand how people can think it's anything else honestly.
i agree Nany gets way to much flack for what she and Johnny did.....well she should get some ...for hurting Cohutta... but Johnny was a single man.
I don't think Cohutta was hurt at all.
And it's not about Nany's insecurities. It's about someone who she considered a freind badmouthing her to all the other girls and just being fake and Shady as hell. I wouldn't like that either.
True. Theresa never even explained what problem she had with Nany was. She just randomly turned on her and had two other girls join in on throwing shade.
I don't undestand how people can think it's anything else honestly.
i agree Nany gets way to much flack for what she and Johnny did.....well she should get some ...for hurting Cohutta... but Johnny was a single man.
I don't think Cohutta was hurt at all.
And it's not about Nany's insecurities. It's about someone who she considered a freind badmouthing her to all the other girls and just being fake and Shady as hell. I wouldn't like that either.
I loved Nany defending Jonna but the fact that she had to make him apologize just shows how insincere he was and that he didn't care. He may be able to laugh it off but fans won't. I'll never forget how he treated Jonna.
Side note-- Jess from AYTO snapchat story just going thru all the cast members and giving her expert opinion ugh punch me in the neck if I have to see her on the challenge she needs to ****
I loved Nany defending Jonna but the fact that she had to make him apologize just shows how insincere he was and that he didn't care. He may be able to laugh it off but fans won't. I'll never forget how he treated Jonna.
That's what I like about her. She's loyal and a good friend. Standing up for Jonna and calling Jenna de MVP.
Zach is an ***. And I was kinda upset Jonna sort of took the blame a little bit at the end. It's him! All him.
I loved Nany defending Jonna but the fact that she had to make him apologize just shows how insincere he was and that he didn't care. He may be able to laugh it off but fans won't. I'll never forget how he treated Jonna.
That's what I like about her. She's loyal and a good friend. Standing up for Jonna and calling Jenna de MVP.
Zach is an ***. And I was kinda upset Jonna sort of took the blame a little bit at the end. It's him! All him.
Zach didn't even apologize. He still tried to make it seem like Jonna was at fault when she did nothing wrong. He's an ******* and will never change his ways. However, I did appreciate the things he said about Knight because I know those two were super close.
I loved Nany defending Jonna but the fact that she had to make him apologize just shows how insincere he was and that he didn't care. He may be able to laugh it off but fans won't. I'll never forget how he treated Jonna.
And then the jerk had the nerve to just try to make Jonna look bad. It looked like she was peeping in on a conversation one time - and probably telling the truth to the girls including Jenna about how he was treating her - that was his excuse. He needs to get over himself. Sure it may have been weird at first for Jonna to see her ex making out with another girl right in front of her, but I really don't think Jonna is as obsessed with Zach as he thinks she is. He is so full of himself. I'm pretty sure Jonna doesn't have a problem getting guys - nicer guys.
And anyway she tweeted that she kept her composure on the reunion because she can't entertain irrelevant people who don't deserve her energy . Go girl.
For sure. Nia isn't the only person on these challenges who has no self-control and then blames others for out-of-control or inappropriate behaviour.
You're right. We keep hearing about how she's growing and maturing and that Portland/Hurricane Nia isn't the real Nia. I don't see that at all. Sure, there might be more to her than Hurricane Nia, but when it comes down to it, her lack of self-control, immaturity, vindictiveness, and bullying is still very much a part of her. When things don't go the way she wants them to go, this is who she is. Full stop.
This. And at the end of the day, Jenna still can't even muster any change in expression to show she even cares.
Leroy is partly to blame for not putting her in check and making sure she doesn't wild out. He could have tried a bit harder on that.
Don't be so dramatic. Holding someone's neck and choking someone is two different things. Not to make any excuses for him being an ***, but he was provoked then. Jordan actually showed a lot of maturity the way he handled things this season, which I don't see people giving him enough credit for. If she was acting like that towards me I would've went ape shit. But he was very calm and collected and didn't stoop down to her level.
I don't think anyone expects Averey to be friends with Nany. That's an unrealistic expectation given their situation. What I don't like is Averey trying to make Nany out to be the bad guy just because she's bitter that Johnny dumped her. Sure it sucks that she got dumped and still has unresolved feelings for Johnny, but that has nothing to do with Nany. Nany is simply the girl Johnny screwed AFTER he became a single man. Yet with all the bitter hatred Averey was spewing her way this season, you'd think Nany was the reason Johnny dumped her.
I never really thought about it, but I kinda do agree that Nany's insecurities are the root of her problems.
i agree Nany gets way to much flack for what she and Johnny did.....well she should get some ...for hurting Cohutta... but Johnny was a single man.
Absolutely!
I'm incredibly dissatisfied with not having a shit they should have shown segment. Especially with the passing of Knight and Diem (may they rest in peace), it would have been nice seeing some more behind the scene footage of them and the rest of the cast.
I don't think Cohutta was hurt at all.
And it's not about Nany's insecurities. It's about someone who she considered a freind badmouthing her to all the other girls and just being fake and Shady as hell. I wouldn't like that either.
They did. It aired before the finale. Diem wasn't in it much.
Unfortunately, Leroy and Theresa will always be middle/upper-middle tier players. They'll never be elite like CT or Bananas. Jordan and Sarah are upper-middle/elite players.
Jay is about as good as Chet.
Exactly.
Zach actually was very eloquent (surprisingly) about Knight in describing him with the most grace possible. It was true that he unfortunately never got it together away from the show, but his passion for being on the challenges shined through. and the fun he clearly had was inmeasurable., these shows provided so much for him. The **** show segment with knights prank scavenger hunt was really touching. really nice book ends of the 3 hour block of programming
Yeah, what Zach said about Knight was very sweet and real. I know they were close so that must have been hard to talk about. That was a touching moment.
True. Theresa never even explained what problem she had with Nany was. She just randomly turned on her and had two other girls join in on throwing shade.
I don't undestand how people can think it's anything else honestly.
Would have rather seen Johnny and Averey than Zack and Jonna.
Of course, if MTV put Averey on TV for half an hour doing nothing but stand on a rotating pedestal, I'd probably watch...
My god, what is Theresa wearing and that thing on her head.
Love how Nany made Zach apologise.
Kinda agree.
He's very mature but he did really like her.
I loved Nany defending Jonna but the fact that she had to make him apologize just shows how insincere he was and that he didn't care. He may be able to laugh it off but fans won't. I'll never forget how he treated Jonna.
Recap! I wanna know what she said.
That's what I like about her. She's loyal and a good friend. Standing up for Jonna and calling Jenna de MVP.
Zach is an ***. And I was kinda upset Jonna sort of took the blame a little bit at the end. It's him! All him.
Zach didn't even apologize. He still tried to make it seem like Jonna was at fault when she did nothing wrong. He's an ******* and will never change his ways. However, I did appreciate the things he said about Knight because I know those two were super close.
Nany is loyal.
And then the jerk had the nerve to just try to make Jonna look bad. It looked like she was peeping in on a conversation one time - and probably telling the truth to the girls including Jenna about how he was treating her - that was his excuse. He needs to get over himself. Sure it may have been weird at first for Jonna to see her ex making out with another girl right in front of her, but I really don't think Jonna is as obsessed with Zach as he thinks she is. He is so full of himself. I'm pretty sure Jonna doesn't have a problem getting guys - nicer guys.
And anyway she tweeted that she kept her composure on the reunion because she can't entertain irrelevant people who don't deserve her energy . Go girl.
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