The Challenge: Battle of the Exes 2 - Love Hurts

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I never hyped up Jonna to be good in a final like some of my fellow Jonna fans do. I actually thought her endurance would be horrible, especially since she smokes (I don't believe she smokes cigs but still smoking is smoking). But I was impressed with her running, she didn't even look out of breath.

And I almost find myself rooting for Wes & Theresa to win the daily missions. They always throw in someone shocking, and it makes the episode intense. If Jonna doesn't win a mission, I want Wes & Theresa to win it. ****

 

Here's what I want to know, do you guys think Jonna has always been a weak player, they just didn't show it, or is Zach really affecting her that badly to where she loses all confidence on these things, and when she does that, she messes up? I never thought she was as good as Laurel, Cara Maria, Sarah, Nany, etc., but these last few challenges, I've been surprised at how weak her performances are, especially on the mission tonight, which I thought she would at least get top 3 in. 

 

My opinion of Jonna's performances is that she's always been pretty overrated (on this board, at least). She showed some real potential her first couple challenges, but quite frankly I think she only looked good because some challenges had several far weaker girls or at the very least had more outspoken/loud/whiney girls and Jonna was more on the DL. I think her social game is better than her competitive game. She usually lays low. But as far as how good she is at the actual challenges, I've never gotten the hype. Sometimes she'll surprise me like trivia last season.

With that said, I think you can genuinely see this season that having Zach as her partner does affect her game. I think this particular episode was a combination of Zach getting the best of her and her simply not doing the task she needed to do. It was the perfect storm.

Yeah she was good on her first 3 seasons (Rivals 1, BOTS2, Rivals 2). After that she was always middle of the road. She might pull a suprise every once in a while, but she's not a bad competitor overall at all. She's just middle of the road. That's as simple as i can put it.

*Challenge looked hard as ****.  The running, no problem, but I don't blame the girls for having problems with the memorization.  That said, I thought Jonna was gonna smash this challenge.  Zach is a horrible, wretched *** for the way he treats her.  She deserves so much better.

*God help me, Jay is actually growing on me  actually do not mind him anymore.

*It's official, Sarah is great at puzzles & swimming, but endurane is not her forte.

*I am a bit tired of seeing Wes & Theresa win.  I'm hoping they get taken down a notch in a a major way.  I can understand his decision to send in his ally Averey & Johnny, but I still don't like it.

*I feel so bad for Adam having to deal with that obnoxious little beast Brittany as a his partner.  I wish he could stay & we could just send her *** home.

*As weird as Reilly is, something about him is so terribly hot.  I can see why Averey is still hung up on him.  Hoping they pull out the win next week.

 

I never hyped up Jonna to be good in a final like some of my fellow Jonna fans do. I actually thought her endurance would be horrible, especially since she smokes (I don't believe she smokes cigs but still smoking is smoking). But I was impressed with her running, she didn't even look out of breath.

And I almost find myself rooting for Wes & Theresa to win the daily missions. They always throw in someone shocking, and it makes the episode intense. If Jonna doesn't win a mission, I want Wes & Theresa to win it. ****

Here's what I want to know, do you guys think Jonna has always been a weak player, they just didn't show it, or is Zach really affecting her that badly to where she loses all confidence on these things, and when she does that, she messes up? I never thought she was as good as Laurel, Cara Maria, Sarah, Nany, etc., but these last few challenges, I've been surprised at how weak her performances are, especially on the mission tonight, which I thought she would at least get top 3 in. 

Oh I don't think even the ones that hyped her up put her up there with those girls. She was always middle of the road. I personally think that Jonna is a wildcard. Part of me wants to say that she's very scatter brained when she's under pressure in a challenge, but at the same time in Rivals 1 she was under a lot of pressure after starting the puzzle later than Sarah/Katelyn and still won it with ease. Maybe she is just a completely different person after that season? ****.

Anyways she's not horrible, she's not amazing, she's average. 

Cons:

-Can't swim (pretty much any black or blackish person on this show goes in this category)

-Would lose in any strength based mission or elimination

She's not far off from Nany but she's not in the same league as Laurel, Cara Maria or Sarah.  She won 2 missions ago.  We know she can't swim well and she must fix that.  Tonight was a trainwreck and I think it is mainly mental.  This wasn't a puzzle though as some people keep saying--this was a memory game.  To do well with memory you must have a clear mind--notice Theresa got the most support and won.  Nia did well because Leroy's not screaming at her.  The worst two teams are the partners that don't get along at all. 

I'd take Jonna on my team IN A FINAL as long as I don't have a Zach, Jordan or anyone else that can't control their emotions.  If I have someone like that then I don't want her because she shuts down

I'm personally not getting why Jordan is on Johnny B.'s side all of a sudden. I'm guessing it has more to do with Sarah, but Johnny just basically made Jordan his ***** from the last show to now.

I think it has to do with they have the same friends. Reily/Zach actually became good friends with Bananas by the end of FA especially Reily so I think it what just easier for them to work together plus Sarah is also close to Bananas so it makes sense they were getting along.

Reilly wasn't really good friends with Bananas on Free Agents though. It was only on the very final challenge, that he warmed up to him, but they weren't exactly friends. I think Reilly is ambitious on these things, and wants to be in the Bananas circle now as one of the vet guys. He roomed with the vet guys. They all like him. Averey said towards the end of their relationship she never saw him because he cared more about preparing for the challenge than her. I think with Bananas old friends not coming back, Reilly will be one of his top dogs in challenges from now on. Reilly and Leroy.

Bananas said in an interview that after Jordan left on FA, that him and Reily actually became really good friends. It wasn't just on the final challenge, it was after Jordan left...

 

I never hyped up Jonna to be good in a final like some of my fellow Jonna fans do. I actually thought her endurance would be horrible, especially since she smokes (I don't believe she smokes cigs but still smoking is smoking). But I was impressed with her running, she didn't even look out of breath.

And I almost find myself rooting for Wes & Theresa to win the daily missions. They always throw in someone shocking, and it makes the episode intense. If Jonna doesn't win a mission, I want Wes & Theresa to win it. ****

Here's what I want to know, do you guys think Jonna has always been a weak player, they just didn't show it, or is Zach really affecting her that badly to where she loses all confidence on these things, and when she does that, she messes up? I never thought she was as good as Laurel, Cara Maria, Sarah, Nany, etc., but these last few challenges, I've been surprised at how weak her performances are, especially on the mission tonight, which I thought she would at least get top 3 in. 

Oh I don't think even the ones that hyped her up put her up there with those girls. She was always middle of the road. I personally think that Jonna is a wildcard. Part of me wants to say that she's very scatter brained when she's under pressure in a challenge, but at the same time in Rivals 1 she was under a lot of pressure after starting the puzzle later than Sarah/Katelyn and still won it with ease. Maybe she is just a completely different person after that season? ****.

Anyways she's not horrible, she's not amazing, she's average. 

Cons:

-Can't swim (pretty much any black or blackish person on this show goes in this category)

-Would lose in any strength based mission or elimination

She's not far off from Nany but she's not in the same league as Laurel, Cara Maria or Sarah.  She won 2 missions ago.  We know she can't swim well and she must fix that.  Tonight was a trainwreck and I think it is mainly mental.  This wasn't a puzzle though as some people keep saying--this was a memory game.  To do well with memory you must have a clear mind--notice Theresa got the most support and won.  Nia did well because Leroy's not screaming at her.  The worst two teams are the partners that don't get along at all. 

I'd take Jonna on my team IN A FINAL as long as I don't have a Zach, Jordan or anyone else that can't control their emotions.  If I have someone like that then I don't want her because she shuts down

Yeah i'd still put her on my team as well. Too bad finals don't include jumping because thinking about it she somehow is pretty great at it. She won the jumping mission on Rivals 1 and on Rivals 2 she outjumped all the girls except Emily. She has her great moments, and she has her fail moments. She's just inconsistent.

Zach's so far inside Jonna's head that they're doomed to fail.

*As weird as Reilly is, something about him is so terribly hot.  I can see why Averey is still hung up on him.  Hoping they pull out the win next week.

I find i weird that people find him attractive.  I think he has Aspergers

I would place Jonna a bit below someone like Nany/Cara Maria, but still better than a Jemmye/Jasmine/Latoya. It's obvious Zach is an awful partner, but she really isn't mentally strong.

I think Johnny R is hott as ****. It is something about him...

Avery was right though. They were getting thrown in because they were on Backpack's side. The best thing to do is weaken that alliance..especially with The Exile in place. So if Adam/Britnany wins then It's guarenteed that Backpack's side loses another team or he himself goes. It was the right call if you ask me.

And Jonna..She's always been average. And I can't help but think that she and Zach would've done better had he not verbally abused her and helped her out with the puzzle a bit. Not to say that it's all Zach's fault. Jonna fell short as well but having your teammate be a **** to you does not help at all.

Zach's so far inside Jonna's head that they're doomed to fail.

If they could have gotten along at all they would have had an easy path to the finals IMO.  I don't see them getting voted in but I could see them finishing last because they don't trust one another.

I would place Jonna a bit below someone like Nany/Cara Maria, but still better than a Jemmye/Jasmine/Latoya. It's obvious Zach is an awful partner, but she really isn't mentally strong.

1.  Nany's not on Cara's level

2.  Jasmine's not on the level of Jemmye and Latoya

3.  Jonna and Nany are about right.  Jonna's TYPICALLY better at daily missions...Nany's likely a little better in elimination though we haven't seen it...and both would do well in a final though Nany has proved it

I would place Jonna a bit below someone like Nany/Cara Maria, but still better than a Jemmye/Jasmine/Latoya. It's obvious Zach is an awful partner, but she really isn't mentally strong.

1.  Nany's not on Cara's level

2.  Jasmine's not on the level of Jemmye and Latoya

3.  Jonna and Nany are about right.  Jonna's TYPICALLY better at daily missions...Nany's likely a little better in elimination though we haven't seen it...and both would do well in a final though Nany has proved it

Yep, it stil lfeels weird to say they're about the same, but it's the truth if you look back at how they've competed. Nany has the upperhand on the swimming, and physical strength. But besides that Jonna is on the same level.

Zach's so far inside Jonna's head that they're doomed to fail.

If they could have gotten along at all they would have had an easy path to the finals IMO.  I don't see them getting voted in but I could see them finishing last because they don't trust one another.

Yeah. Those two are a train wreck. If they get to the final challenge I don't see them winning at all.

Avery was right though. They were getting thrown in because they were on Backpack's side. The best thing to do is weaken that alliance..especially with The Exile in place. So if Adam/Britnany wins then It's guarenteed that Backpack's side loses another team or he himself goes. It was the right call if you ask me.

And Jonna..She's always been average. And I can't help but think that she and Zach would've done better had he not verbally abused her and helped her out with the puzzle a bit. Not to say that it's all Zach's fault. Jonna fell short as well but having your teammate be a **** to you does not help at all.

Doesn't matter if that was the reason. He's her partner that means that they can only trust each other. Instead she wants to be angry at him and blame him for their predicament. She needs to remember that they were voted in by someone else. Also the whole thing with Jonna is screwed up. Its hard to try your best when you're expecting someone to **** all over you any chance they get. Especially when its someone you care about.

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I would place Jonna a bit below someone like Nany/Cara Maria, but still better than a Jemmye/Jasmine/Latoya. It's obvious Zach is an awful partner, but she really isn't mentally strong.

1.  Nany's not on Cara's level

2.  Jasmine's not on the level of Jemmye and Latoya

3.  Jonna and Nany are about right.  Jonna's TYPICALLY better at daily missions...Nany's likely a little better in elimination though we haven't seen it...and both would do well in a final though Nany has proved it

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I mean talking currently nope, but I'm looking as overall and Cara Maria has turned in one GOOD performance on her 7th challenge, while Nany has been consistently solid to good for a few seasons now.

Is Jonna better at missions though? Nany has shown me a bit more as far as missions go, but they're still on par. Also yeah the Jasmine commet was just to toss another name there.

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I would place Jonna a bit below someone like Nany/Cara Maria, but still better than a Jemmye/Jasmine/Latoya. It's obvious Zach is an awful partner, but she really isn't mentally strong.

1.  Nany's not on Cara's level

2.  Jasmine's not on the level of Jemmye and Latoya

3.  Jonna and Nany are about right.  Jonna's TYPICALLY better at daily missions...Nany's likely a little better in elimination though we haven't seen it...and both would do well in a final though Nany has proved it

I mean talking currently nope, but I'm looking as overall and Cara Maria has turned in one GOOD performance on her 7th challenge, while Nany has been consistently solid to good for a few seasons now.

Is Jonna better at missions though? Nany has shown me a bit more as far as missions go, but they're still on par. Also yeah the Jasmine commet was just to toss another name there.

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I just watched a clip from the Gauntlet 1 today. This may be a bit of an exaggeration, but Cara Maria reminds me a lot of Sarah from The Gauntlet 1 when it comes to competing in missions and eliminations.

Cara marie is a good competitor outside of water. The problem is her self confidence. Physical only gets you so far. When you're beating yourself up mentally then you're not at your best.

Is Jonna better at missions though? Nany has shown me a bit more as far as missions go, but they're still on par. Also yeah the Jasmine commet was just to toss another name there.

Yeah, I don't think there's any question that Jonna's better at missions.  Now, the last two missions clearly don't help but that's swimming and I think Zach's ruined her mentally.

If I was on a big team challenge I'd consider them about average.  I think both are soft mentally though.  Since swimming comes into play a lot I'd probably take Nany.

I still think if Jonna was around at the beginning of these challenges she'd have been that girl that almost always made it to the end with her name never coming up for elimination...like Diem other than her duels and the ruins when she wanted to go home.

I actually want to see Jordan vs Frank S vs Kenny in finale..

That would be an incredible final. I would still side with Kenny though. There's a reason why he's been in every final of every challenge he's been on except 1.

Cara marie is a good competitor outside of water. The problem is her self confidence. Physical only gets you so far. When you're beating yourself up mentally then you're not at your best.

Cara's someone I wouldn't want as a partner because I feel like she needs constant attention and motivation but she's a competitor.

Kind of like Zach and Jordan can be good competitors at times but they have an inability to control their emotions.  I'd rather work with guys like Leroy because he doesn't need to be controlled.

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Is Jonna better at missions though? Nany has shown me a bit more as far as missions go, but they're still on par. Also yeah the Jasmine commet was just to toss another name there.

Yeah, I don't think there's any question that Jonna's better at missions.  Now, the last two missions clearly don't help but that's swimming and I think Zach's ruined her mentally.

If I was on a big team challenge I'd consider them about average.  I think both are soft mentally though.  Since swimming comes into play a lot I'd probably take Nany.

I still think if Jonna was around at the beginning of these challenges she'd have been that girl that almost always made it to the end with her name never coming up for elimination...like Diem other than her duels and the ruins when she wanted to go home.

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How so? Some examples would be nice because she and Jasmine didn't do so hot on Rivals 1 and barely avoided last place numerous times because of DQs from Laurel/Cara, Seasons 2 obviously Jonna did well (as did Nany), Rivals 2 they were teamed together and also did very well, and I did tune out of FA so perhaps there is where she shined? I just am not seeing how Jonna is unquestionably better at issions.

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I would place Jonna a bit below someone like Nany/Cara Maria, but still better than a Jemmye/Jasmine/Latoya. It's obvious Zach is an awful partner, but she really isn't mentally strong.

1.  Nany's not on Cara's level

2.  Jasmine's not on the level of Jemmye and Latoya

3.  Jonna and Nany are about right.  Jonna's TYPICALLY better at daily missions...Nany's likely a little better in elimination though we haven't seen it...and both would do well in a final though Nany has proved it

I mean talking currently nope, but I'm looking as overall and Cara Maria has turned in one GOOD performance on her 7th challenge, while Nany has been consistently solid to good for a few seasons now.

Is Jonna better at missions though? Nany has shown me a bit more as far as missions go, but they're still on par. Also yeah the Jasmine commet was just to toss another name there.

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I just watched a clip from the Gauntlet 1 today. This may be a bit of an exaggeration, but Cara Maria reminds me a lot of Sarah from The Gauntlet 1 when it comes to competing in missions and eliminations.

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I just know she saw eliminations many times so I assume this means Sarah G was not very good?

Avery was right though. They were getting thrown in because they were on Backpack's side. The best thing to do is weaken that alliance..especially with The Exile in place. So if Adam/Britnany wins then It's guarenteed that Backpack's side loses another team or he himself goes. It was the right call if you ask me.

And Jonna..She's always been average. And I can't help but think that she and Zach would've done better had he not verbally abused her and helped her out with the puzzle a bit. Not to say that it's all Zach's fault. Jonna fell short as well but having your teammate be a **** to you does not help at all.

Doesn't matter if that was the reason. He's her partner that means that they can only trust each other. Instead she wants to be angry at him and blame him for their predicament. She needs to remember that they were voted in by someone else. Also the whole thing with Jonna is screwed up. Its hard to try your best when you're expecting someone to **** all over you any chance they get. Especially when its someone you care about.

That's true but you gotta remember why Pail and Fail picked them to go into The Dome..Because Johnny is friends with Backpack therefore in an alliance with him. Avery didn't choose that. She was along for the ride so I can see why she's upset. But I do see where you're coming from though.

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I would place Jonna a bit below someone like Nany/Cara Maria, but still better than a Jemmye/Jasmine/Latoya. It's obvious Zach is an awful partner, but she really isn't mentally strong.

1.  Nany's not on Cara's level

2.  Jasmine's not on the level of Jemmye and Latoya

3.  Jonna and Nany are about right.  Jonna's TYPICALLY better at daily missions...Nany's likely a little better in elimination though we haven't seen it...and both would do well in a final though Nany has proved it

I mean talking currently nope, but I'm looking as overall and Cara Maria has turned in one GOOD performance on her 7th challenge, while Nany has been consistently solid to good for a few seasons now.

Is Jonna better at missions though? Nany has shown me a bit more as far as missions go, but they're still on par. Also yeah the Jasmine commet was just to toss another name there.

I just watched a clip from the Gauntlet 1 today. This may be a bit of an exaggeration, but Cara Maria reminds me a lot of Sarah from The Gauntlet 1 when it comes to competing in missions and eliminations.

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I just know she saw eliminations many times so I assume this means Sarah G was not very good?

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lol she was horrible in missions but somehow won 5 eliminations and even took out 2 guys, although 1 of those eliminations were a bit shady since the bull she was on was slower but that's none of my business.

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Is Jonna better at missions though? Nany has shown me a bit more as far as missions go, but they're still on par. Also yeah the Jasmine commet was just to toss another name there.

Yeah, I don't think there's any question that Jonna's better at missions.  Now, the last two missions clearly don't help but that's swimming and I think Zach's ruined her mentally.

If I was on a big team challenge I'd consider them about average.  I think both are soft mentally though.  Since swimming comes into play a lot I'd probably take Nany.

I still think if Jonna was around at the beginning of these challenges she'd have been that girl that almost always made it to the end with her name never coming up for elimination...like Diem other than her duels and the ruins when she wanted to go home.

How so? Some examples would be nice because she and Jasmine didn't do so hot on Rivals 1 and barely avoided last place numerous times because of DQs from Laurel/Cara, Seasons 2 obviously Jonna did well (as did Nany), Rivals 2 they were teamed together and also did very well, and I did tune out of FA so perhaps there is where she shined? I just am not seeing how Jonna is unquestionably better at issions.

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Read Jasmine.  Jonna consistently performed well but was held back.  Seasons 2 Jonna did far better than Nany.  In Rivals 2 who was the lead girl--it was Jonna but that was only Nany's second challenge so it is understandable.  Jonna was one of only two girls that did anything on the third mission of FA (too bad Jordan's ego ****** it up) .  Nany did well at the end of FA when she got paired with Theresa and Bananas...but Seasons 2 Jonna was definitely far better--you can try to dismiss that as Nany's first challenge

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I would place Jonna a bit below someone like Nany/Cara Maria, but still better than a Jemmye/Jasmine/Latoya. It's obvious Zach is an awful partner, but she really isn't mentally strong.

1.  Nany's not on Cara's level

2.  Jasmine's not on the level of Jemmye and Latoya

3.  Jonna and Nany are about right.  Jonna's TYPICALLY better at daily missions...Nany's likely a little better in elimination though we haven't seen it...and both would do well in a final though Nany has proved it

I mean talking currently nope, but I'm looking as overall and Cara Maria has turned in one GOOD performance on her 7th challenge, while Nany has been consistently solid to good for a few seasons now.

Is Jonna better at missions though? Nany has shown me a bit more as far as missions go, but they're still on par. Also yeah the Jasmine commet was just to toss another name there.

I just watched a clip from the Gauntlet 1 today. This may be a bit of an exaggeration, but Cara Maria reminds me a lot of Sarah from The Gauntlet 1 when it comes to competing in missions and eliminations.

I just know she saw eliminations many times so I assume this means Sarah G was not very good?

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lol she was horrible in missions but somehow won 5 eliminations and even took out 2 guys, although 1 of those eliminations were a bit shady since the bull she was on was slower but that's none of my business.

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Oh god don't even compare that dreadful ***** to Sarah(Campus Crawl) That is just insulting.

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I would place Jonna a bit below someone like Nany/Cara Maria, but still better than a Jemmye/Jasmine/Latoya. It's obvious Zach is an awful partner, but she really isn't mentally strong.

1.  Nany's not on Cara's level

2.  Jasmine's not on the level of Jemmye and Latoya

3.  Jonna and Nany are about right.  Jonna's TYPICALLY better at daily missions...Nany's likely a little better in elimination though we haven't seen it...and both would do well in a final though Nany has proved it

I mean talking currently nope, but I'm looking as overall and Cara Maria has turned in one GOOD performance on her 7th challenge, while Nany has been consistently solid to good for a few seasons now.

Is Jonna better at missions though? Nany has shown me a bit more as far as missions go, but they're still on par. Also yeah the Jasmine commet was just to toss another name there.

I just watched a clip from the Gauntlet 1 today. This may be a bit of an exaggeration, but Cara Maria reminds me a lot of Sarah from The Gauntlet 1 when it comes to competing in missions and eliminations.

I just know she saw eliminations many times so I assume this means Sarah G was not very good?

lol she was horrible in missions but somehow won 5 eliminations and even took out 2 guys, although 1 of those eliminations were a bit shady since the bull she was on was slower but that's none of my business.

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Oh god don't even compare that dreadful ***** to Sarah(Campus Crawl) That is just insulting.

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Wow for a second I thought you were defending Cara Maria, but I read it wrong :. But am I right though? Gauntlet 1 Sarah & Pre-FA Cara Maria are so alike to me.

Oh god don't even compare that dreadful ***** to Sarah(Campus Crawl) That is just insulting.

The comparison doesn't work (Aneesa is a better comparison excluding finals) but let's not pretend Sarah Greyson was great.  She wasn't as bad as the team made her out to be but she wasn't great.  Dropping the teddy bear (I think it was a bear) on the ladder mission was really, really bad.

I do miss those days those.  I also agree that Rachel B got screwed with the bull

Sarah G. wasn't that bad. She was moreso middle of the pack until near the end, then she started doing poorly. But one thing she did do was take those Gauntlets like a champ.

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