The Challenge: All Stars 4- Episode Discussion Thread

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Has laurel reacted to nicole fake crying over the shocking? Or is she still going off about Cara instead?

Yes to both lmao!

Despite Nicole's manipulations, Laurel and her fans still seem more bothered by Cara who...listened to Laurel cry about Nicole several times and keeps giving her praise as a competitor. It's wild.

How many castmembers (and who) do yall think come read the episode thread each week?

I would imagine Ace, Laurel, and Derek for sure. And probably Ryan and Veronica.

Tier Rankings of this Cast Heading into the Finale:

Franchise Staples: Cara, Laurel, Leroy, Kam, Rachel

Rootable Underdog Competitors that Could Win if Everything Goes Right in the Right Season: Steve, Averey, Jay, Ace, Derek, Tony

Unrootable underdogs that could win: Adam

Could stick around for awhile but have no chance of ever winning: Brandon, Jasmine, Tina

Retirement Looms Soon: Brad, Flora, Kefla, Tyri, Veronica

Sadly Will Never See Again: Janelle, Ayanna

Will Get Another Shot, But Shouldn't: Ryan, Syrus

Hopefully Will Never See Again: Nicole

Sad to see Flora quit but her body was beat up badly, she really went out there and gave it what she got. Proud of her.

Steve definitely deserves that W, impressed that he was such a target all season long and still came out on top. And good on him for teaching Adam a lesson. That was insanely scummy of Adam, no wonder he cheated with Averey while filming.

Dead @ Veronica not even being moved by being electrocuted. 

Ok now that we see the format of this final, can we all agree that was a lame af final?

For one, some of the challenges themselves in the episode were just weak. Like, almost not even carnival game level.

Secondly, even if you're a Laurel fan, what was to really enjoy here? What is the point of a final if the competitors aren't actually going to be facing each other throughout? Even with Laurel getting to skip 3 things that Cara had to do, Cara still nearly won.

Lastly I really couldn't even understand where each player was within the loops. It was edited so poorly.

Derek's "Laurel deserves this because she earned her star like I did" was such a weird comment. Like, everyone earned their damn star.

Were the advantages as bad as I'm hearing or are people carrying?  

Because it sounds crazy.

Kingstons cute but does he really need to be shown every episode?

Were the advantages as bad as I'm hearing or are people carrying?  

Because it sounds crazy.

As each of the finalists were eliminated, they got to give their star to someone. Leroy gave his to Steve, and Derek, Nicole, and Veronica all gave theirs to Laurel. At final 4 they had to do loops with various challenges (puzzles, eating/drinking, etc). Each star allowed someone to skip a challenge, so Laurel got to skip 4, Steve got to skip 2, and Cara and Ace could each skip 1. So, Laurel got to skip 3 more challenges than Cara who came in 2nd place.

Steve was actually in the lead right near the end but made a huge mental error in not remembering the rules of using a star and screwed himself over. He very likely would have won had he used his 2 stars correctly (he ultimately had 1 star he didn't use).

Im on the drink portion....wtf is this final?!  

I think Cara would've won without the advantages 

I even like the idea of people being able to skip a challenge, as long as the contestants are all on relatively even playing field; it would be an interesting strategic element in terms of figuring out when it's best to use your skip (smilar to the advantage Cara and Ace won, which was ultimately strategic more than anything). This stars thing was lame because there was such a huge difference between Laurel getting to skip 4 things and the rest of them only getting to skip 1 or 2.

Oh wow Leroy really a whole *** flop what else is new tho 

Why was this final all carnival games for day 1? Weird

Congrats to Laurel ig but this was one of the least challenging finals for anyone to win if you have that many stars as advantages. Like if she lost that it would be embarrassing tbh

I haven't watched but this sounds dumb af. Season after season my mind is blown by the incompetence of this production team. They really can't get anything right.

Congrats to Laurel ig but this was one of the least challenging finals for anyone to win if you have that many stars as advantages. Like if she lost that it would be embarrassing tbh

It's honestly kind of embarrassing as it is because Steve passed her without using any skips to that point, and at that point I think she'd skipped 3 things.

This final would have made more sense for All Stars 1. It's really lame that they had such good competitors this season, and then the final was the least physical final yet and also involved someone getting to skip 4 challenges. Like, wtf?

Season after season my mind is blown by the incompetence of this production team. They really can't get anything right.

Queen Laurel going from someone who was so closed off and refused to make any friends to winning because of the relationships she made throughout the season

LEGENDARY STORY ARC!

Yes the final was kinda random but any final that Veronica actually had a chance in is okay in my books!

Wish they included the shady comments that Cara made at the finish line... but she's hero of the season so we won't ever see it

Wish they included the shady comments that Cara made at the finish line... but she's hero of the season so we won't ever see it

She deserved to make shady comments after that lame final. No hero arc needed.

Queen Laurel going from someone who was so closed off and refused to make any friends to winning because of the relationships she made throughout the season

LEGENDARY STORY ARC!

No? 

Wish they included the shady comments that Cara made at the finish line... but she's hero of the season so we won't ever see it

A Queen is a Queen. No editing needed. The bottom line is Cara is superior to all! 

I just keep thinking about poor Steve. I know it was his fault he lost, but he was taking it! If he'd used 1 star in a previous loop, his lead on everyone would have been bigger. He could have then used the remaining star on the rings and been heading toward that end ahead of everyone. I don't know how long the run was, but it feels like he very likely would have won in that situation. Ugh. He still did great on this season and it was nice to see his arc.

A win is a win but that shit is sure as hell embarrassing 

Oh wow Leroy really a whole *** flop what else is new tho 

I don't care for Leroy, but the challenges were so lame.   I mean to say Leroy is a flop because he couldn't angle his drink by using 4 pulleys is kind of dumb.  I mean he's still a flop in other challenges, but I don't blame him for this one.

Day 1 of the final was weak....wtf 

Leroy is no more of a flop then he already was. Don't know why he thought he'd win, or why the editors act like he's the only father of the series.

veronica and Nicole are idiots for choosing the marble game over simply hammering 3 nails.... 

Leroy being a "flop" is overblown. He's not like Nany where he has outwardly BAD performances in challenges, it just comes from him not winning. 

If he deserves to be criticized for anything, it's being Bananas's lapdog. 

How would you guys rank the All Stars seasons? My ranking is: 4 > 1 > 2 > 3.

I love all four of them, especially 1, 2, and 4 (Kailah and Sylvia brought 3 down for me). I'd say 1 and 4 MAYBE could be switched around, but other than that, I'm locked in on everything else. 

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