[QUOTE=Insider;29601]I just caught up on the last few days worth of Dailies...
All I can say is I'm glad Dave didn't drown when he was drunk and running through the surf... I'm glad he didn't break his neck falling off the hut thing.
At what point does someone say... "Hey, maybe you shouldn't do that"?[/QUOTE]
Someone from production? Probably only when past tense applies to whatever is finally said.
I've got a question, I saw in the dailies (and tonight's episode)KellyAnne going off on Johnny, but he made some reference to KellyAnne and her pills. And I remember there was another daily I saw that someone else said something similar to KellyAnne and her pills? What is that all about? Anyone know?
[QUOTE=bratty;29743]I've got a question, I saw in the dailies (and tonight's episode)KellyAnne going off on Johnny, but he made some reference to KellyAnne and her pills. And I remember there was another daily I saw that someone else said something similar to KellyAnne and her pills? What is that all about? Anyone know?[/QUOTE]
This is one of those areas where until Kelly Anne talks about it, I won't. Medical info is now covered under Federal privacy law. It is obvious that Johnny is aware that she takes some prescription medication.
[quote=V1man;29770] It is obvious that Johnny is aware that she takes some prescription medication.[/quote]
So does a large percentage of Americans. Not really a big deal these days although maybe there were a bit more stigma attached a decade ago.
If only she had quipped back with a viagra comment or something fun like that. ;)
I'm sure most of those people on that show are on some kind of meds. lexapro, wellbutrin, prozac, etc. What I found interesting is when Dan said that the island doesn't have the Betty Ford Clinic so he can't get clean and sober until he goes home. I know someone will say that non-drug using alcoholics will say 'clean and sober', but I also have experience in this area and know that most non-drug using alcoholics will typically say 'sober'. Wonder what he got past those drug-sniffing dogs.
Ok. I'm going all out today. Robin is a *****. The more I see of her, the more I can't stand. I looooove how Kenny calls her out to Johanna. "Everyone knows she's the biggest pig here" THANK YOU! What's good for the goose is good for the gander Robin. She said on the very first episode that she would hook up with whoever she had to so she could win. She's a hypocrite. She's OBVIOUSLY jealous. Here's a tip for you too Robin... just incase you read this... Johanna hooked up with Kenny BEFORE THE CHALLENGE too. If she (Robin) ends up hooking up with anyone.. I think EVERYONE should call her out. I hope she breaks her leg.
Btw.. for those of you who don't know.. I'm not even a Johanna fan. (at all) I just think Robin needs to keep her surgically altered face closed when it comes to who's sleeping with who. Mostly because she's a tramp herself.
[quote=Insider;29801]Ok. I'm going all out today. Robin is a *****. The more I see of her, the more I can't stand. I looooove how Kenny calls her out to Johanna. "Everyone knows she's the biggest pig here" THANK YOU! [/quote]
Didn't Kenny sleep with Robin? Why doesn't that make Kenny just as bad? He (and Johnny) are such hypocritical misogynists that I have absolutely no regard for whatever opinion they may have of other people, especially women.
[quote=Moonpaw;29816] [B]He (and Johnny) are such hypocritical misogynists that I have absolutely no regard for whatever opinion they may have of other people, especially women[/B].[/quote]
Beautifully stated, and I totally agree.
[quote=Moonpaw;29816]Didn't Kenny sleep with Robin? Why doesn't that make Kenny just as bad? He (and Johnny) are such hypocritical misogynists that I have absolutely no regard for whatever opinion they may have of other people, especially women.[/quote]
Kenny isn't the one running around calling people out for who they are and aren't sleeping with. Kenny isn't the one on tape talking about Robin's sexual expertise. I think Robin is disgusting. The only reason Kenny gets ragged on is because he's a man. Most of these women are just as bad if not worse but get away with it cause they are girls.
Just because I am a woman doesn't mean I'm weak. It's completely sexist to hate Kenny.. or hate Johnny.. or hate whatever man for his "misogynist" behavior when the women of the show are just as bad.
If you dislike Kenny because of his big mouth.. or you dont like his ego.. or his sense of humor.. or how he plays the game.. or even if you don't like his face.. FINE. However, don't preach about his treatment of women. It's not like he's out there screwing over nice unsuspecting girls...
Robin screwed him.. and I'd bet money she'd do it again.
[QUOTE=Insider;29828] However, don't preach about his treatment of women. It's not like he's out there screwing over nice unsuspecting girls... .[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm a father of a daughter just slightly older than Kenny, so I own the preaching card, and I'm going to play it now.
I'm not sexist for calling Kenny and Johnny misogynists ([I]Of or characterized by a hatred of women[/I].) I embrace the following perspective: [QUOTE][I][B]Misogyny is a negative attitude towards women as a group, and so need not fully determine a misogynist's attitude towards each individual woman. The fact that someone holds misogynist views may not prevent him or her from having positive relationships with some women. Conversely, simply having negative relationships with some women does not necessarily mean someone holds misogynistic views.[/B][/I][/QUOTE]
For me to be sexist, I would need to fit one of the following definitions:
1. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.
2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.
I don't fit either one. I abhor discrimination based on gender which is why I've been a supporter of NOW since 1975 and am very proud that my wife is a founding member of the organization. Further, I do not believe that I have ever exhibited any attitude, condition or behavior that would denigrate anyone's birth gender or altered condition. If anything, I try to model my personal behavior as the very polar opposite of the secondary definition. (I may be guilty on occasion of excessive libido, but at my age, I consider that a blessing.)
Consent, informed or otherwise, does not provide moral cover for the behavior of the misogynist. In fact, the reality that these two have preyed on the women who populate these challenges and on women that flock to the club appearances of the two like moths to a flame only serves as further indictment to vile nature of their very behavior. If Johnny attempted to treat my daughter as he treats many women, I'd be inclined toward committing a capital crime and feed him piece by piece to the sharks like so much sushi.
Real men don't keep lists, don't boast of their "conquests," and take pride openly in their ability to use women to excess in the pursuit of their own gratification.
I guess we'll simply have to live with our fundamental disagreement on this issue. :ireful1:
We need a soapbox icon
[quote=V1man;29838]Well, I'm a father of a daughter just slightly older than Kenny, so I own the preaching card, and I'm going to play it now.
I'm not sexist for calling Kenny and Johnny misogynists ([I]Of or characterized by a hatred of women[/I].) I embrace the following perspective:
For me to be sexist, I would need to fit one of the following definitions:
1. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.
2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.
I don't fit either one. I abhor discrimination based on gender which is why I've been a supporter of NOW since 1975 and am very proud that my wife is a founding member of the organization. Further, I do not believe that I have ever exhibited any attitude, condition or behavior that would denigrate anyone's birth gender or altered condition. If anything, I try to model my personal behavior as the very polar opposite of the secondary definition. (I may be guilty on occasion of excessive libido, but at my age, I consider that a blessing.)
Consent, informed or otherwise, does not provide moral cover for the behavior of the misogynist. In fact, the reality that these two have preyed on the women who populate these challenges and on women that flock to the club appearances of the two like moths to a flame only serves as further indictment to vile nature of their very behavior. If Johnny attempted to treat my daughter as he treats many women, I'd be inclined toward committing a capital crime and feed him piece by piece to the sharks like so much sushi.
Real men don't keep lists, don't boast of their "conquests," and take pride openly in their ability to use women to excess in the pursuit of their own gratification.
I guess we'll simply have to live with our fundamental disagreement on this issue. :ireful1:
We need a soapbox icon[/quote]
I've never said that Kenny or Johnny have "moral cover" for anything they do. What infuriates me is the constant *****ing and moaning about them... and no one says a thing about the female ****** on the show. Robin is a whore. She is. She's the one running around pointing her finger at everyone else. She's no better than any of them.
The girls that show up at these events and mess around with guys like Johnny and Kenny engage in this type of behavior on a regular basis. It's not like virginal girls are being taken advantage of. To say that Kenny is "preying" on anyone is (dare I say it?) ********. It's sex. They want sex.. He wants sex.. they have sex. Consentual adults. These females use him also. You may think its wrong.. but its not your life. At what point are the females in the equation responsible for their own behavior?
FYI.. Kenny is not a misogynist. If he was rude to Tonya or whoever, it is NOT because she's a woman. He would treat a male he disliked the same way.
Btw... I completely believe that Kenny and Johnny get harped on because they are men. If not, the Kenny/Johnny haters would be pointing out the same negative behavior in the female players... but instead we condone it simply because it suits the purpose. (Which in this case, is hating Kenny and Johnny) When Kenny has a daily up talking about how bad Robin (or any other female) is in bed.. I had better not hear a single moan about it, because NO ONE complained about Robin.
And so you know, I have a beautiful 21 y/o niece.. I guess that gives me a card too.. eh?
(v1man: I would imagine your daughter wouldnt be chasing Kenny around a nightclub promising to sleep with him and his entire "crew" in a back alley. That being said.. It would be HARD to treat her that way. For that reason, I don't think you should compare the two things.)
Sorry for the constant ranting. I feel very passionately about this subject. (Whether it applies to Kenny or any other man out there)
[quote=Insider;29841]Btw... I completely believe that Kenny and Johnny get harped on because they are men. If not, the Kenny/Johnny haters would be pointing out the same negative behavior in the female players... but instead we condone it simply because it suits the purpose. [/quote]
It's not just that they're the only ones with this kind of negative behavior. I admit, when I first replied to your "I hate Robin" post, I hadn't seen that particular clip yet. Now that I've seen it, I understand why you would say Robin is a *****. And what she did was really mean and low. But my point is that, as far as I can remember, people on the show don't call out guys like Johnny or Kenny for being *****, while Robin and Tonya get that label. And it's not just that behavior that makes me say that they're misogynists. Didn't you hear Johnny talking to some of those women? He has NO respect for them at all. He had no respect for them on GIII, either. According to him, they're useless wastes of space who can't do anything on their own. I don't know what his deal is, but I can't stand him.
[quote=Insider;29841]FYI.. Kenny is not a misogynist. If he was rude to Tonya or whoever, it is NOT because she's a woman. He would treat a male he disliked the same way.[/quote]
I'd like to believe that, but I can't think of a single man Kenny has disliked in this way. Supposedly, he hates Wes, but I never saw Kenny treat Wes with that kind of awful disrespect.
For the record, my dislike for Kenny has little to do with his "scorecard" or how ***** he is or how many chicks he bags (although it does play a part). I agree that most girls know what he is like already.
But I still can't stand his arrogance, his attitude, his sense of entitlement.....and the list goes on.....
[quote=Moonpaw;29843]It's not just that they're the only ones with this kind of negative behavior. I admit, when I first replied to your "I hate Robin" post, I hadn't seen that particular clip yet. Now that I've seen it, I understand why you would say Robin is a *****. And what she did was really mean and low.[/quote]
Thank you! Finally someone thinks Robin is wrong! Woo Hoo
[quote=Moonpaw;29843] But my point is that, as far as I can remember, people on the show don't call out guys like Johnny or Kenny for being *****, while Robin and Tonya get that label. [/quote]
Johnny and Kenny get called out for EVERYTHING lol. I think the slut behavior falls into the misogynist category.
[quote=Moonpaw;29843]Didn't you hear Johnny talking to some of those women? He has NO respect for them at all. He had no respect for them on GIII, either. According to him, they're useless wastes of space who can't do anything on their own. I don't know what his deal is, but I can't stand him.[/quote]
I do think that Johnny is acting like an ***. I usually like him way more than I do on this challenge. I don't think the girls he's talking to like that are acting in a respectable manner. KA drives me crazy.. and honestly... Id tell her to **** too. :)
[quote=Moonpaw;29843]I'd like to believe that, but I can't think of a single man Kenny has disliked in this way. Supposedly, he hates Wes, but I never saw Kenny treat Wes with that kind of awful disrespect.[/quote]
Trust me.. I've seen Kenny be a jerk to people from all walks of life and all sexes. That doesn't make him a misogynist. Unfortunately.. that just makes him an ***. :feminist:
[QUOTE=Insider;29841]I've never said that Kenny or Johnny have "moral cover" for anything they do. What infuriates me is the constant *****ing and moaning about them... and no one says a thing about the female ****** on the show. Robin is a whore. She is. She's the one running around pointing her finger at everyone else. She's no better than any of them.
The girls that show up at these events and mess around with guys like Johnny and Kenny engage in this type of behavior on a regular basis. It's not like virginal girls are being taken advantage of. To say that Kenny is "preying" on anyone is (dare I say it?) ********. It's sex. They want sex.. He wants sex.. they have sex. Consentual adults. These females use him also. You may think its wrong.. but its not your life. At what point are the females in the equation responsible for their own behavior?
FYI.. Kenny is not a misogynist. If he was rude to Tonya or whoever, it is NOT because she's a woman. He would treat a male he disliked the same way.
Btw... I completely believe that Kenny and Johnny get harped on because they are men. If not, the Kenny/Johnny haters would be pointing out the same negative behavior in the female players... but instead we condone it simply because it suits the purpose. (Which in this case, is hating Kenny and Johnny) When Kenny has a daily up talking about how bad Robin (or any other female) is in bed.. I had better not hear a single moan about it, because NO ONE complained about Robin.
And so you know, I have a beautiful 21 y/o niece.. I guess that gives me a card too.. eh?
(v1man: I would imagine your daughter wouldnt be chasing Kenny around a nightclub promising to sleep with him and his entire "crew" in a back alley. That being said.. It would be HARD to treat her that way. For that reason, I don't think you should compare the two things.)
Sorry for the constant ranting. I feel very passionately about this subject. (Whether it applies to Kenny or any other man out there)[/QUOTE]
Before we continue engaging on this subject, I must ask you define "whore" in context that you have used the word. I'd hate to waste any intellectual acumen on a specious definition.
Then, when we are finished with that discussion, I'll be happy to excoriate Paula for her behavior both on and off the challenges.
[quote=Insider;29847]Johnny and Kenny get called out for EVERYTHING lol. I think the **** behavior falls into the misogynist category.
I do think that Johnny is acting like an ***. I usually like him way more than I do on this challenge. I don't think the girls he's talking to like that are acting in a respectable manner. KA drives me crazy.. and honestly... Id tell her to **** too. :)[/quote]
Well, I guess it's good that our conversation has led to some common ground, but I guess at some point we'll just have to agree to disagree. I only know these guys as far as what I see on TV (and what you guys say, to some extent). And you might say KA isn't acting in a respectable manner, but it's hard to stay cool when you get underhandedly accused of stealing food from your friends, sleeping around to get what you want, being medicated to stay sane, and being anorexic, among other things. The shit that he says is so insane that there's just no logical defense against it. And should Kelly Ann (God forbid) [I]ask[/I] why he's being rude, maybe in an effort to put the animosity between them at rest, he can't even answer without being a complete ***. Again, you might say it's just him being a jerk and not a misogynist, but he's never treated another man like that. Even Dave, who he supposedly didn't like, was NEVER treated with the blatant disrespect that he treats KA with.
[quote=V1man;29851]Before we continue engaging on this subject, I must ask you define "*****" in context that you have used the word. I'd hate to waste any intellectual acumen on a specious definition.
Then, when we are finished with that discussion, I'll be happy to excoriate Paula for her behavior both on and off the challenges.[/quote]
*****: A person considered sexually promiscuous
[I]OR [/I]
A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.
[quote=Moonpaw;29854]Well, I guess it's good that our conversation has led to some common ground, but I guess at some point we'll just have to agree to disagree. I only know these guys as far as what I see on TV (and what you guys say, to some extent). And you might say KA isn't acting in a respectable manner, but it's hard to stay cool when you get underhandedly accused of stealing food from your friends, sleeping around to get what you want, being medicated to stay sane, and being anorexic, among other things. The shit that he says is so insane that there's just no logical defense against it. And should Kelly Ann (God forbid) [I]ask[/I] why he's being rude, maybe in an effort to put the animosity between them at rest, he can't even answer without being a complete ***. Again, you might say it's just him being a jerk and not a misogynist, but he's never treated another man like that. Even Dave, who he supposedly didn't like, was NEVER treated with the blatant disrespect that he treats KA with.[/quote]
I don't know Johnny.. so I can't judge based on anything other than what I see on tv. This time around, he really seems like a DH.
Kenny is also acting like a serious DH. I completely agree with that deduction.
I'd like to see either/both Kenny and Johnny talk to Abram, Dan or CT the way they talk to some of the girls. When Kenny was saying he hates Wes, he didn't pull any low punches like 'wes is on medication' or the obnoxious way Johnny talked about KellyAnne in front of everyone. It's immature, it's tasteless. But ultimately they're both wimps who only pick on girls and say things to embarrass them, they don't say anything of merit.
[quote=good brooklyn;29859]I'd like to see either/both Kenny and Johnny talk to Abram, Dan or CT the way they talk to some of the girls. When Kenny was saying he hates Wes, he didn't pull any low punches like 'wes is on medication' or the obnoxious way Johnny talked about KellyAnne in front of everyone. It's immature, it's tasteless. But ultimately they're both wimps who only pick on girls and say things to embarrass them, they don't say anything of merit.[/quote]
Oh poppycock! Kenny had sex with Wes' ex gf.. I think that's a pretty powerful punch. At least, Wes seems to see it that way. (and just because you don't see it on MTV, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.)
Let me remind everyone I never said Kenny should be up for Gentleman of The Year... I think misogynist is extreme. I also think "preying" is a little much. I don't condone the behavior. However, I do think stones should be tossed in other directions as well.
[quote=Insider;29862]Oh poppycock! Kenny had sex with Wes' ex gf..[/quote]
Wes got his....he just directed his "revenge" on the wrong person....Johanna. :no:
[quote=OtherPplsDrama;29864]Wes got his....he just directed his "revenge" on the wrong person....Johanna. :no:[/quote]
Wes never seemed to be extremely nice to Johanna. He was always yelling at her. :(
[quote=good brooklyn;29867]or wes's 'seconds'. (i'm a huge johanna fan so i see it neither your way nor the way i put it. i think every woman choose who SHE wants to be with.)[/quote]
I didn't mean to imply that was the ONLY reason Kenny slept with Johanna. I just meant to point out that you don't sleep with a man's ex gf if you're friendly with him.
[quote=Insider;29868]Wes never seemed to be extremely nice to Johanna. He was always yelling at her. :([/quote]
Oh I've [I]always[/I] thought she was far too good for him!
P.S>>>Where's KT today?? :(
[quote=Insider;29862]Oh poppycock! Kenny had sex with Wes' ex gf.. I think that's a pretty powerful punch. At least, Wes seems to see it that way. (and just because you don't see it on MTV, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.)
[/quote]
It might be a "powerful punch" to Wes, but Kenny also likes Johanna (and Johanna likes him too!). He's not doing her for the sole purpose of embarrassing Wes, and he's not belittling Wes to his face. And how much do you want to be that even though Kenny might not like Wes as a person, he still has some amount of respect for him as a competitor?
[quote=Moonpaw;29872]It might be a "powerful punch" to Wes, but Kenny also likes Johanna (and Johanna likes him too!). He's not doing her for the sole purpose of embarrassing Wes, and he's not belittling Wes to his face. And how much do you want to be that even though Kenny might not like Wes as a person, he still has some amount of respect for him as a competitor?[/quote]
Wes was def a competitor. I think everyone should respect him as that.
Personally, I find Wes creepy. I'm not sure what it is about him. I think it was the way he was always gawking at Jo on Austin.
[QUOTE=Insider;29855]whore: A person considered sexually promiscuous
[I]OR [/I]
A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.[/QUOTE]
Well, please choose one in the context in which you intended the word to be understood, or detail the instance(s) in which each applies. Only then can one respond intelligently.
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